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The Silence of the Girls
The Silence of the Girls: A Novel | Pat Barker
From the Booker Prize-winning author of the Regeneration trilogy comes a monumental new masterpiece, set in the midst of literature's most famous war. Pat Barker turns her attention to the timeless legend of The Iliad, as experienced by the captured women living in the Greek camp in the final weeks of the Trojan War. The ancient city of Troy has withstood a decade under siege of the powerful Greek army, who continue to wage bloody war over a stolen woman--Helen. In the Greek camp, another woman watches and waits for the war's outcome: Briseis. She was queen of one of Troy's neighboring kingdoms, until Achilles, Greece's greatest warrior, sacked her city and murdered her husband and brothers. Briseis becomes Achilles's concubine, a prize of battle, and must adjust quickly in order to survive a radically different life, as one of the many conquered women who serve the Greek army. When Agamemnon, the brutal political leader of the Greek forces, demands Briseis for himself, she finds herself caught between the two most powerful of the Greeks. Achilles refuses to fight in protest, and the Greeks begin to lose ground to their Trojan opponents. Keenly observant and cooly unflinching about the daily horrors of war, Briseis finds herself in an unprecedented position to observe the two men driving the Greek forces in what will become their final confrontation, deciding the fate, not only of Briseis's people, but also of the ancient world at large. Briseis is just one among thousands of women living behind the scenes in this war--the slaves and prostitutes, the nurses, the women who lay out the dead--all of them erased by history. With breathtaking historical detail and luminous prose, Pat Barker brings the teeming world of the Greek camp to vivid life. She offers nuanced, complex portraits of characters and stories familiar from mythology, which, seen from Briseis's perspective, are rife with newfound revelations. Barker's latest builds on her decades-long study of war and its impact on individual lives--and it is nothing short of magnificent.
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teresareads
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I really enjoyed this version of the Trojan War, as experienced by Briseis, enslaved as a war prize by Achilles. The book draws attention to the many on the sidelines whose feelings are left out of the great stories. The emotions throughout are deeply felt and complicated, and Briseis is allowed to have difficult and sometimes contradictory feelings.

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BookishTrish
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Saturday evening reading view

Stacypatrice Holy Yum!!! 1w
Andrea4 Delicious! What's in that soup? 1w
BookishTrish @Andrea4 kale, Romano beans, gf pasta, roasted lemons... 1w
annahenke That meal looks incredible 1w
DebinHawaii Yum! 🍲😋 1w
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BookishTrish
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Tamra
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I really enjoyed this on audio - I always looked forward to getting back to it! No Greek mythology background required as it‘s a fresh look at the sacking of Troy, or really the waiting for the sacking of Troy, from the perspective of a female slave of royal background won by Achilles. The end is perhaps a little unrealistic, but its definitely a pick!

This is my first Pat Barker book, need to do some investigating!

charl08 Love her WW1 trilogy too: definitely worth seeking out. 2w
Tamra @charl08 👍🏾 2w
Cathythoughts I‘ve been avoiding this one , but I will take a closer look sinse this/your review 👍🏻 2w
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Crazeedi @charl08 I'll have to check that trilogy out! Thanks for mentioning!! 2w
Kimberlone I recommend 2w
sprainedbrain I loved this one! 2w
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BookishTrish
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Another wild and crazy Saturday night

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cmarie
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Cannot recommend this book enough! Brutally honest without being vulgar, fleshing out characters from myths I'd not thought about. Beautifully written, you can see the scenes playing out in front of you, read it in 2 days of commuting where more than one person got walked into because I could not put it down

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Becker
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I‘m really enjoying this, I think in part because I read The Iliad last summer and loved it. However I‘m not sure I would like it as much if I wasn‘t familiar with the Iliad. 🗡

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BookishTrish
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Saturday morning

JohannaRose Is that Lisa Frank?! Oh my gosh I love it!! 3w
BookishTrish @JohannaRose It‘s my Lisa Frank reading journal 3w
JohannaRose @BookishTrish I absolutely love that! @SarahHarts_books Look at her Lisa Frank reading journal! How cute is that!? 😃 3w
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SarahHarts_books Totally love your Lisa Frank reading journal!!!😍😍 3w
SarahHarts_books @JohannaRose YASSS QUEEN!!! 😍😍💖💖 3w
Cityofamber Love the Lisa Frank journal 😂😍 3w
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cmarie
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Been a bit quiet lately but went to Hay Festival last week, it was AMAZING.
Got to listen to the fabulous Pat Barker talk about her book and got my copy signed 😍

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TheReadingMermaid Awesome 👍 4w
AnansiGirl @TheReadingMermaid thank you 😊 just read your post. I was completely oblivious to events these last 4 days. Hugs to you and everyone affected by the tornado. 🤗 4w
TheReadingMermaid Thank you so much sweetie. And from what I understand from the news articles there was like 16 that touched ground in the Dayton area and the surrounding counties. It was really bad. 4w
Clwojick Way to go with the scavenger hunt! 💕 4w
AnansiGirl @Clwojick thanks for cohosting the scavenger hunt! It‘s been a blast and the motivation to get out of an impending reading slump. 😄 4w
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Eyejaybee
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This is a marvellous retelling of The Iliad from the women‘s perspective. Beautifully written, and immediately engrossing right from the first page. See my Goodreads review at: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2829916615. #book #books #bookstagram #patbarker #thesilenceofthegirls #history #bookish #booknerd #bookcommunity #booklove #bookphotography #triojanwar #booksbooksbooks #theiliad #achilles #homer #ancientgreeks #agamemnon #briseis

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CaitlinR
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“”Looking back, it seemed to me I‘d been trying to escape not just from camp, but from Achille‘s story; and I failed. Because make no mistake, this was g his story—his anger, his grief, his story” p.266

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CaitlinR
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One of the things I love about Pat Barker‘snovels is that she writes with such poignancy, and so elegantly about the human costs of war. In SILENCE OFTHE GIRLS she takes on the final days of the Trojan War given us the unhappily entwined lives of Achilles and the stolen woman: Briseis.

The “silent girls” are the women taken as slaves, some awarded to the warriors, some enslaved and discarded to fend for themselves.

Very highly recommended.

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AnneCecilie
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Just finished this and haven‘t made up my mind jet how I feel about this. This novel really demonstrates that this a man‘s world, and women doesn‘t have much value. This is the story of Achilles told though the eyes of Briseis when it‘s not told by Achilles himself. Briseis is Achilles slave.

This is shortlisted for this year‘s Women‘s Prize for Fiction.

merelybookish Beautiful cover! 1mo
Henrik_Madsen Interesting premise. Reminds me of The Penelopiad by Margaret Atwood, which I really enjoyed. Focus was here on Penelope and her ten maids who are summarily killed by Odysseus in the original. 1mo
Tamra @Henrik_Madsen I just finished Penelopiad and loved it - I have the tagged audio novel on hold. I‘m hoping I like it! (edited) 1mo
AnneCecilie @Henrik_Madsen @Tamra that seems like a book I should check out. I like retellings. 1mo
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Loved it

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ReadingEnvy
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Events of the Iliad focusing on the women who were captured by the Greeks, particularly Briseis who became a slave for Achilles.

While this was an interesting perspective to take, I feel like Pat Barker focuses on the war and the men even while writing about the women. It is interesting that it's up against Circe for the Women's Prize for Fiction because I like that one more.⤵️

ReadingEnvy To refresh my memory I re-read sections of Mythology by Edith Hamilton, who maintains the layer of how the gods influence these events (based on the texts by Homer and Euripides) that Barker excludes, except to show scenes between Achilles and his mother, and his obsession with the sea. In the end this is really his story. 1mo
teainthelibrary I‘m disappointed to hear that about the focus of the book! I just picked up from the library and am going to read it later this week. Hopefully I enjoy it! 🤞🏼 1mo
bedandabook I‘m with you on this one Jenny, having also read both. I listened to The Silence of the Girls rather than read it, but was frustrated when the narration switched from female to male. Circe, on the other hand, has stayed with me as a powerful female voice. 1mo
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ReadingEnvy @bedandabook yeah I don't know if I just made incorrect assumptions or if it's sold wrong? 1mo
ReadingEnvy @teainthelibrary it's still very vivid 1mo
andrew61 Curious jenny, i just read 'country' by Michael hughes which set in 1996 northern Ireland is based on the illiad - i enjoyed that a lot as i did song of achilles - it may be time to stretch myself and have a look at the original. 1mo
ReadingEnvy @andrew61 what do you consider the original? ;) 1mo
andrew61 @ReadingEnvy perhaps i should have an odyssey to the Greek Islands and find someone who still is able to give an oral rendition over a glass or five of ouzo. Although in the alternative the Emily Wilson (?) is getting a lot of love ☺ 1mo
ReadingEnvy @andrew61 I like your plan!! I've been wanting to read the Wilson translation too. 1mo
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Away for the weekend for a bridal shower, of course I brought books. This is one of them. I‘m enjoying it so far, but I have to say, I liked Madeline Miller‘s Song of Achilles so much that it‘s hard for me to get into Barker‘s Achilles. If you‘ve read both, did you prefer one over the other?

bookandcat Miller is far better. This was decent but not as amazing as Song of Achilles 1mo
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TrishB
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Thank you Cindy, I‘m so excited by my parcel 😁 I love the bag and I‘m just going to pretend I‘ve been! (Fake it until you make it!) I‘ll look forward to getting to the book and I always love stationery goodies.
😘😘 #litsyfriends ❤️
Sorry I haven‘t even made it to the PO yet.....slacker. Going to combine with a birthday parcel anyway. (Is that nearly a year already).

Cathythoughts So lovely 👍🏻♥️ 2mo
Cinfhen Crazzzy, it is nearly a year 😘😘enjoy my friend xx 2mo
squirrelbrain Oooh so jealous of the Strand bag, even though I already have one of my own but mine‘s different and I want ALL of the bags...! @Cinfhen 2mo
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LeahBergen Lovely! 👏🏻 2mo
Caroline2 Ohhhhh I‘ve been dying to read this book. Looking forward to hearing what you think of it. 👍🏻 2mo
TrishB @Cathythoughts it is 😘 2mo
TrishB @Cinfhen I know! Time flying by... 2mo
TrishB @squirrelbrain I like all the bags too 😁 2mo
TrishB @Caroline2 don‘t buy- I‘ll pass on when done, sharing the Litsy love! Maybe a couple of months. 2mo
Cinfhen I‘ll try to pick one up for you this summer @squirrelbrain and I‘m so happy Trish will forward book to you @Caroline2 I REALLY loved it!!! 2mo
squirrelbrain You‘re so sweet @Cinfhen ! 😘 2mo
Caroline2 @TrishB oh wow thanks Trish! 😀 👍🏻 2mo
readordierachel Love the tote 😍 1mo
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cbowlin1921
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Another book about history that will draw you in, as well as teach you some things you might not have known. It talks about the struggles of female slaves in the Greek war camps and how they were treated and takes you back to how they would have felt during that time.

The main character has a very interesting point of view and is a very good story teller as well.

CrowCAH Welcome to the Litsy family!!! 📚 2mo
tpixie Welcome! 🥳📚🥳 2mo
jenniferajanes Welcome to Litsy! 🎉📚 2mo
JanuarieTimewalker13 Welcome to Litsy🌺 2mo
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I know giving this a so-so is an unpopular opinion. I liked Barker's writing style, and I love the idea, but this felt so one dimensional to me and I couldn‘t get invested in the characters. Maybe it‘s because it‘s been so long since I studied the Iliad, I don‘t remember much about it. But I felt like this had so much potential and it just missed the mark.

KatieDid927 Nah I‘m with you. This was nowhere near Madeline Miller. 2mo
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CaroPi
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Just starting this beautiful book that is part of the short list for the #womensprize first 50 pages but so far so good

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youneverarrived
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I really liked this. From the description I was expecting more about the women & less about the men but it‘s almost as much Achilles story as it is Briseis. However it does powerfully describe how women were treated. Briseis fear & strength is written vividly and her character is well drawn, and it‘s a lot more focused & direct than Circe. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ #womensprize

Cathythoughts ♥️👍🏻 2mo
Heideschrampf Sounds like great concepts and looks beautiful 2mo
Pricel101 Great review! Toby‘s Room stayed with me a long time 2mo
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scripturient
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After bashing this book on Litsy already, I just let out all of my frustration in a detailed review on my blog. 😂 If you‘re interested: www.theconstantreader.net/blog

Itchyfeetreader This is what I love about litsy - it‘s like a huge virtual book club. I liked this book BUT your well written and positioned review has me agreeing with huge swathes of it. Makes me what to read it again with your perspective. Thanks for sharing x 2mo
Simona Interesting thoughts! 2mo
julesG Very good review! 2mo
Theaelizabet Interesting review. 2mo
KatieDid927 You know I‘m with you. This is not a good book. 2mo
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rwmg
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This is one of those books where I would probably have enjoyed it more if I'd heard less about it before I started. Reading it I was too conscious that it was not doing what the word of mouth on it said it was -- retelling the Iliad from a woman's point of view. And towards the end it admits as much.

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Crazeedi
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3.5 ⭐ the story of Briseis, a prize give to Achilles after he destroyed her husband's kingdom. We follow her as she tells the tale as the conquering Greeks destroy Troy. A different kind of twist to the Greek tragedies.

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I‘m going in! #raredayoff #sloth #bliss

CoverToCoverGirl I want to read this one! 2mo
AmyG Very good book. 2mo
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Crazeedi
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Next up (because Libby tells me 10 people are waiting!🤨)

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scripturient
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Ok, why does this book claim it‘s a ‘feminist‘ retelling? It‘s an awful lot about the guys in the story and Barker‘s excuse for this towards the end was super lame. Meh!!

RachelO Oh dear! 2mo
KatieDid927 Right? Agreed. Did not dig this one at all. 2mo
kgriffith Oh dang, okay, taking it off my TBR! 2mo
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EchoLogical Oof. I wanted to read and love this one so bad. Glad I didn't waste my time. 2mo
julesG "feminist anything" on the jacket gets more attention and sells more books? 2mo
Lindy @julesG It IS a feminist retelling, in my view. The men of that time didn‘t consider women to be persons, so women‘s lives were highly circumscribed, especially during war. Men‘s actions had a huge effect on the women in this novel, so it makes sense to have some third-person sections following them. I was a bit disappointed with the writing, but it was still a 4-star read for me. @RachelO 2mo
scripturient @Lindy I still think this could have been done way better. Of course Briseis‘ life was highly influenced by the men around her as they determined it (being married away, being enslaved, being traded, etc) but I still would have wished for more character depth. Instead it was mainly about Achilles‘ mummy issues. Briseis was the narrator but we never really learned anything about her. And that last sentence: Now my story can begin. at the end... 2mo
scripturient ... of a book that was supposed to tell her story in the first place. When I compare this to Atwood‘s Penelopiad, for example, I found this story here just lacking in so many ways. 😢 (edited) 2mo
scripturient But I have heard so many different views on this novel. And that‘s great as opinions are of course very subjective. Would be boring otherwise. :) 2mo
Lindy @scripturient I liked Penelopiad better too, but I see a lot of good in this one also. Regarding the ending, I interpret that to mean Briseis is starting over; she has been forced to reinvent herself in order to remain sane. 2mo
KatieDid927 @scripturient Once again I agree with your analysis completely. I was frustrated by the lack of depth in her character also. Even though she was the narrator for significant portions it still felt like she was only there to advance Achilles‘ character, narratively speaking. There was nothing to her, the story didn‘t make me feel anything and it doesn‘t come close to the various other masterful Greek mythology retellings. 2mo
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I enjoyed the narration of this audiobook. But, overall, I preferred Madeline Miller‘s Song Of Achilles. This one had some drawn out bits that I could have done without.

rwmg I'm going to start reading this today for my book club 2mo
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scripturient
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Tonight‘s entertainment at Casa Caeners. 😁

Crazeedi I have this on my kindle right now, I have 13 days to read. . 2mo
readordierachel Loving that edition! 2mo
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RidgewayGirl
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How great was this book, guys? I love how myths are kept alive by the act of reimagination and this retelling of the story of Achilles through the woman given to him as a slave. Lovely counterpoint to The Song of Achilles.

Rachel_nyc I keep hearing good things about this one. Stacking! 2mo
rwmg I'll be reading that next week for my RL book club 2mo
RidgewayGirl @Rachel_nyc It‘s gorgeously told. 2mo
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RidgewayGirl @rwmg That‘s a solid book club pick. I like my book club, but the books keep getting lighter and lighter. 2mo
Crazeedi Have on hold on overdrive 2mo
rwmg @RidgewayGirl We have a nice mixture of serious and light books 2mo
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emmaturi
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1. Today I wandered around the city, then went to see the movie The Aftermath
2. Yes about 7 I think
3. Green
4. Argentina
5. Buying a book then finding out you already have it!

@pepsicola #premondayvibes

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emmaturi
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I am really interested in reading about Briseis and Achilles. Already started and am hooked! #lovetoread #books

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Ashley_Nicoletto
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I put a hold on this at my library, but then when the loan came in I almost sent it back. I decided to listen for 30 minutes just in case. I don‘t care at all about Greek mythology, but dear god. This story is beautifully narrated and the story itself drew me in immediately.

ReadingOverSleeping This looks so interesting! What genre? 2mo
Ashley_Nicoletto @ReadingOverSleeping It‘s basically The Iliad (I believe) retold from the prospective of the female slaves - Briseis is the main narrator. 2mo
Cinfhen I just finished this book, sooooo good!! Nice contrast/ perspective since reading and loving 2mo
charl08 Loved it! (And not a fan of Greek myth either). 2mo
ReadingOverSleeping I'll have to check it out! Sounds like you all loved it 2mo
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Hope_a
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Calling all Iliad lovers - this book is for you! Plus, it is Longlisted for Women‘s Prize this year. Go grab yourself a copy and read it!
You can find my review here:
https://theantagonistdiaries.wordpress.com/2019/04/10/the-silence-of-the-girls/

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Pretty pic 💜💜 2mo
Hope_a @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Thanks! ❤️ 2mo
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Cinfhen
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A strong evocative retelling of the final weeks leading to the fiery destruction of Troy, seen through the eyes of Briseis. With the same poetic prose and brilliance of Madeline Miller, Anita Diamant & Alice Hoffman Silence of the Girls makes ancient history tantalizing and intoxicating. Really enjoyed this novel. Absolute pick ❤️

GatheringBooks i absolutely adored this novel, and read miller‘s the song of achilles immediately right after. 3mo
TrishB You‘re tempting me..... 3mo
TheBookKeepers Wow I love several of those authors! Thanks for sharing - stacked! 3mo
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Kalalalatja I have seen such mixed reviews for this, but your review makes me want to read it! 3mo
Cinfhen Do you own this one @TrishB ?? I‘m happy to send it to you in the next box😘 3mo
whatshesreadingnow Stacked! 3mo
TrishB No, not got this one , thank you 😘 3mo
kspenmoll Great review- have this to read.😘 2mo
Cinfhen Hope you all enjoy this book as much as I did @TheBookKeepers @Kalalalatja @whatshesreadingnow @kspenmoll 🧡 2mo
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Nebklvr
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I couldn‘t care less about the ancient Greeks and their wars but this was compulsively readable.

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Cinfhen
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After reading and loving Madeline Miller‘s Song Of Achilles, I‘m really enjoying Pat Barker‘s imagining of Achilles through the eyes of Briseis. #Pop19 #MythOrLegendRetelling #LazySunday 🌞📚🧡

TrishB Enjoy 😘 3mo
charl08 Such a good read! 3mo
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Redheadrambles
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I don‘t know what happened in March as only four books read seems like a very stately pace for me .... I do believe I started and DNF‘ed a few additional books. Without question Silence of the Girls and The Sellout were the standouts.
Better luck in April ??!

#Marchstats #Marchwrapup #Marchbooks

Redheadrambles @Redwritinghood tell me about it !! I feel trapped in a sort of insufferable dinner party 3mo
Redwritinghood Here‘s hoping! 🤞🏻🤞🏻 I feel, though, like I‘m never going to get through 3mo
BarbaraBB Wasn‘t Subutex Vernon 2 good? 3mo
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ClairesReads Aw- even if it wasn‘t a prolific reading month, at least you had a couple of awesome reads? I‘m enjoying The Hadley even though it‘s a bit slow 3mo
Redheadrambles @BarbaraBB I have to say it was only just ok for me. I still enjoyed it but no where near as much as the first novel:( 3mo
BarbaraBB That‘s a pity. I still need to read the first but I heard such good things about it and had high hopes for the series. 3mo
StillLookingForCarmenSanDiego Good job! 📖💖 3mo
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GatheringBooks
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#LiteraryLuck Day 31: Here are some of my #FavoritesOfMarch. Read around 28 titles this month, including lots of picturebooks, but quite a few essays, poetry, fiction, and novellas too. Tagged book will stay with me for awhile, I did not want Briseis‘ story to end, so much so that I made an unscheduled emergency trip to the library to find Song Of Achilles to get back to that world, yet again. Achilles-Patroclus-Briseis. 💕📚

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks It‘s on my list!! 3mo
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saresmoore
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Two loads of laundry to fold, a kitchen to clean, lunch to prepare...for some reason, I just don‘t care.

Cathythoughts You have beautiful skies 👍🏻💙 3mo
TheBooksWhoLived Loved this book 3mo
saresmoore @Cathythoughts It‘s an unbelievably beautiful day! 3mo
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saresmoore @TheBooksWhoLived I‘m really enjoying the book. This is my first from Pat Barker. Do you recommend any of her others? 3mo
Suet624 I‘m so glad you‘re taking it easy and enjoying yourself. 3mo
CouronneDhiver 👍🏽 same 3mo
batsy Have you read the Iliad or are you reading it alongside this book? I want to read this but I feel like I should read the Iliad first, and that means I'll probably get to this in 2025 🤣 3mo
saresmoore @batsy I own a copy of the Iliad...does that count? 🙃 I am planning to do the Iliad and Odyssey back-to-back, someday. I guess I‘ll just have lots of spoilers and preconceived interpretations. 😬 3mo
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Lindy
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I enjoy retellings that give me a new perspective on a familiar story. Homer‘s Iliad is very different as seen from the perspective of Queen Briseis of Lyrnessus, given to Achilles as his slave & concubine. Even knowing the brutal outcome of the fall of Troy, I found the narrative of survival propulsive. Anachronistic British colloquialisms add freshness to the dialogue & remind me that women in wartime continue to face horrors today. #Audiobook

saresmoore Wonderful review! I‘m just over halfway through this and I agree about the colloquialisms. I‘m still pretty fresh off of The Song of Achilles and I am really enjoying the contrasting perspectives. It never occurred to me before how much retellings can expand the scope of a story. 3mo
Lindy @saresmoore 😊The richness of the conglomeration experience is the main reason that I seek out retellings. I slightly prefer Miller‘s writing style over Barker‘s, and between Miller‘s two, I prefer Circe. 3mo
saresmoore I‘ve also started reading Circe (too much? 😬) and I prefer Miller‘s style, too. Barker‘s tone is slightly detached and seems almost critical, whereas Miller helps me inhabit the story. But I think they are both wonderful writers. Have you read others of Barker‘s? 3mo
Lindy @saresmoore I‘ve been meaning to read the Regeneration trilogy for a long time. One of these days … 3mo
Lindy @saresmoore I know what you mean about the slight detachment. I guess it‘s a good thing, since Briseis goes through such horrors. 3mo
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mhillis
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Book 3 from the Women‘s Prize for Fiction Longlist finished!

GatheringBooks i am reading this, too, and enjoying it so far 3mo
Crazeedi I want to read this one! I think I have it on hold on overdrive! 3mo
mhillis @GatheringBooks I probably wouldn‘t have picked it up if it weren‘t on the prize list but it was interesting! 3mo
mhillis @Crazeedi hope you have a chance to read it! I may have to go back and give Circe another try now 😂 3mo
Crazeedi @mhillis I read half of circe, its laying here waiting for me to finish! 3mo
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Lindy
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Great Achilles. Brilliant Achilles, shining Achilles, godlike Achilles … How the epithets pile up. We never called him any of those things; we called him ‘the butcher‘.

(Image: cover of Song of Achilles)

sprainedbrain I loved Silence of the Girls! ❤️ 3mo
Lindy @sprainedbrain 👍I‘m still formulating my thoughts for a review. I didn‘t exactly love it but it‘s definitely a pick. 3mo
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GatheringBooks
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#Frideas Thanks for the tag, @kamoorephoto
🌍 I am surprised at this Q, as I have always thought it was politically incorrect in this day and age to ask this, seeing how it can be complex a query. But, yeah, I am a Filipina based in Singapore for going on 11 years now.
🌍 Fairyland 🧚🏼‍♀️
🌍 Tagged book is a retelling of the Trojan war. Troy is said to be in northwest Turkey, if Google is right.
🌍 Which country? If Singapore, chili crab!
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Velvetfur I find that in London people ask where people are from almost as a greeting. Maybe because London is so varied culture wise, but also I think people like to discuss other countries and cultures, and we've often been to the country that the person we're talking to is from so we can enthuse about it. This does happen in my home city of Liverpool too, but not as much. I hope this makes sense! 3mo
GatheringBooks @Velvetfur totally get it. 🧚🏼‍♀️ the Q tho could mean diff things to diff people. i remember a young girl in my book club who shared how she doesn‘t know how to respond to this Q. Her mom is Chinese Singaporean but worked in France where young girl was born. Her father is from Denmark but based now in HK. She lives in SG, and is biracial, with a French passport. So, the Q forces her to answer in an expected box that does not exist anymore.😂 3mo
GatheringBooks @Velvetfur race, ethnicity, nationality are all blurred and deliciously intermingled now, so the notion of a simple response to what increasingly becomes a personal query forces one to provide a whole entangled genealogical lineage/background that the person who is innocently asking may not be ready for. hehehe. 🧚🏼‍♀️ I get that it is definitely an innocuous and well-meaning q tho that doesn‘t have to be needlessly complex - yet it is. 🤣💕😍 3mo
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Velvetfur @GatheringBooks I love that story of that girl's background, I think that's lovely, but I understand how it would be annoying for her to go through it all YET AGAIN with another person asking! And of course there's a certain type of person who has to put people in a box and won't accept that they're from where they say they're from because they don't look like it - that's the worst 😡 3mo
Velvetfur Oh and I mean about that girl you mentioned, she shouldn't feel that she has to explain herself just because someone might still be pressing her for 'where she's really from' when she says France, which of course relates to the second half of my previous comment 😊 3mo
GatheringBooks @Velvetfur exactly! 😍 life is so gloriously and utterly confounding indeed. life is often stranger than fiction. 😭🧚🏼‍♀️💕📚 3mo
whatsthEStorey I love seeing where all the Littens are posting from! On Litsy, you don‘t really know whether someone is in your same zip code or a different continent. You bring up a good point about asking that question face to face...then it has more of a ring of, where are you *really* from. 3mo
SailorMoon Thanks for playing!!! 💕🤟🏻🌙 btw, it was just an innocent question so we can talk about different cultures, food, etc. There was no need to answer, if the question made you uncomfortable... we could have just talked about something else with you and would have had fun just the same 😉 3mo
GatheringBooks @whatsthEStorey the where are you **really** from is what gets me everytime! 😂🤣😭 hahaha - but yup, it is awesome seeing where people are currently based now, and will be awesome to meet up when traveling or when there are people within same zip code. 👌🏽🧚🏼‍♀️📚 3mo
GatheringBooks @SailorMoon i definitely enjoyed playing and didn‘t mind the Q, although for someone now in-between cultures, the Q becomes somewhat complicated, and having similar discussions with biracial individuals and third-culture (some are multi-cultured) kids also increase the entanglements even further. but i did enjoy seeing where people are based now! 🧚🏼‍♀️📚💕 3mo
Velvetfur @GatheringBooks @whatsthEStorey @SailorMoon I really like this one, and I agree that it's great to see where we all are because one of us could one day find ourselves in one of these countries so we could arrange to meet up in real life! And I personally love to meet people from all walks of life and learn about other cultures and be inspired to visit those countries. It's all positive! 😊 3mo
GatheringBooks @Velvetfur do let me know if you are in singapore. it is such a small country, making it relatively easy to meet up, schedules permitting. 🧚🏼‍♀️🧚🏼‍♀️🧚🏼‍♀️ 3mo
SailorMoon I get the difficulties, I am sorry they sounded "disrespectful" or anything, it was an innocent question that it had no need for a mandatory response! ? I still don't see it as an unpolitically correct Q though, probably because it was born in my mind as a completely innocent one! 3mo
GatheringBooks @SailorMoon yup, it‘s all good! 🧚🏼‍♀️📚🍫💕 3mo
Velvetfur @GatheringBooks I would LOVE to go to Singapore, so if I ever get there I'll be sure to let you know! Same for you if you come to the south of the UK, I live about an hour outside of London 😊 3mo
SailorMoon I know it is, no damage was done either way! 😉 have a good day 💕🤟🏻 3mo
GatheringBooks @Velvetfur was in London and Birmingham back in 2015, went to Dublin last year, and had a chance to go to Northern Ireland - which apparently is also in the UK when I did the Game of Thrones tour. but thus far, no conferences or invites yet in that part of the world in the coming months, sadly. 🤣😭😂 3mo
Velvetfur @GatheringBooks Yes Northern Ireland is the UK but the rest of Ireland isn't, and I'd love to do a Thrones tour one day too 😊 ok next time you're in the UK then we'll meet up 👍 3mo
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