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The Iliad: A New Translation by Caroline Alexander
The Iliad: A New Translation by Caroline Alexander | Homer
Composed around 730 b.c., Homer’s Iliad recounts the events of a few momentous weeks in the protracted ten-year war between the invading Achaeans, or Greeks, and the Trojans in their besieged city of Ilion. And, as told by Homer, this ancient tale of a particular Bronze Age conflict becomes a sublime and sweeping evocation of the destruction of war throughout the ages.
Carved close to the original Greek, acclaimed classicist Caroline Alexander’s new translation is swift and lean, with the driving cadence of its source—a translation epic in scale and yet devastating in its precision and power.
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Billypar
Illiad | Homer
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#TuesdayTunes @TieDyeDude
This week I'm going to recommend Open Mike Eagle's podcast 'What Had Happened Was' where each season he interviews an artist or figure significant to hip hop. Making the interviews season-long instead of varying by episode means you get about a memoir's worth of stories. I found it via a Spotify recommendation because I'm a longtime fan of Questlove's podcast, and he's the interview subject for Season 4 👇

Billypar So I already knew going in that Questlove, who definitely has the gift of the gab, would go into exhaustive detail on the making of The Roots' first four albums, and I was not disappointed. Open Mike Eagle lets him take the reins mostly, but he's got good instincts about when to jump in for a quick clarifying question or reaction. If you're a Roots fan, I highly recommend, and if not, then I recommend first becoming a Roots fan 🎶 🎛🎚🎧🥁🎤🎶 1d
Billypar I also highly recommend Open Mike Eagle's music: this is my favorite album of his: https://open.spotify.com/album/1VDnqZVFSg0xVF104kaIix?si=ubit5ZU-Rxmm4jxp3D8yOw 1d
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BarbaraBB I love some hip-hop so will absolutely check this out! 1d
TieDyeDude That is so cool! I became aware of Open Mike Eagle through his guest appearances on the Thrilling Adventure Hour. He was always a highlight. I will have to check this out; love the Roots and Questlove. Questlove seems like a very interesting individual. His other projects are so diverse. Have you seen the Summer of Soul documentary? 15h
Billypar @BarbaraBB The Roots reference so many other hip hop acts in their music that the podcast touches on quite a bit - enjoy! 9h
Billypar @TieDyeDude I didn't know about the TAH but I've also seen him on the Netflix doc History of Swear Words. So he clearly enjoys a variety of projects! Questlove has definitely reached mogul status between okayplayer, his new publishing company, his Oscar, and books. I've seen the first half of SoS but got interrupted and have been meaning to watch the rest. It's great to see how much original footage he was able to use. (edited) 8h
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rretzler
The Iliad | Homer
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I suppose it depends on what is meant by publication date. Here is an interesting article about The Iliad, which would have to be the earliest book I have read. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/geneticists-estimate-publication-date...

BookmarkTavern That was a really interesting article! Thank you for sharing! 2w
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Mollyanna
Iliad | Homer
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Probably The Iliad. From what I can find it was published in the late 1400s.

Another great question, thanks for hosting @BookmarkTavern

#SundayFunday

Awk_Word_Smith Beowulf most likely. 3w
BookmarkTavern An excellent choice! And one I still need to read! Thanks for sharing! 2w
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dabbe
The Iliad | Robert Fagles
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#TLT #ThreeListThursday

1. Translations make all the difference. Robert Fagles' translation of THE ILIAD made me appreciate what I hated in high school.
2. THE ONCE AND FUTURE KING: by far my favorite Arthurian story.
3. SPEAK by Laurie Halse Anderson: to remind me that EVERY story is essentially a hero's journey, and it doesn't have to be “super“ or “epic“. It just has to feel real.
All are welcome to play and tagging as many as I can! 😍

TheSpineView Thanks for the tag!😘💜🏷 4w
Enchanted_Bibliophile Thanks for the tag 😄 4w
CBee #3 - I agree wholeheartedly! I‘d have to mention the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and of course the Hobbit - heroes come in all sizes ♥️ 4w
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dabbe @CBee Thank goodness! I had a hard choice between RINGS and OAFK. 💚💙💚 4w
AnnCrystal Thank you for the tag @dabbe ☺️👍. 4w
julieclair Thanks for the tag! I need to step up my hero quest reading game, because the only one I can think of is Harry Potter. But I do have a 3-list Hero Quest TBR: 1. Percy Jackson 2. A Court of Thorns and Roses 3. The Hobbit (hard to believe I have never read this). 4w
iread2much Thanks for the tag 1. The Redemption of Althalus, 2. Silver on the Road, 3. Tailchaser‘s Song. 😊 4w
dabbe @julieclair That's kinda why I ask these questions! I'm always looking for new books--even though I have too many on the TBR as it is. I guess you could call it my book quest! 🤩 Thanks for sharing. 💚💙💚 4w
dabbe @iread2much I need to read more fantasy! All on the TBR now. Thanks for sharing. The Redemption of Althalus, 4w
julieclair @dabbe I‘m right there on the book quest with you. There is no such thing as too many books on the TBR! 😉📚📚📚📚📚💙 4w
dabbe @julieclair #amensista! 🤩😍😃 4w
iread2much @dabbe my husband and I both love that book, it was one of the books that was featured in our wedding cake 🎂 (it was a stack of books) 4w
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literarymermaid
Iliad: A New Translation | Caroline Alexander
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I was feeling guilty about listening to an audiobook of The Iliad instead of reading it and then I remembered ....

It was meant to be heard. Not that I don't always love audiobooks. I'm excited to start this version

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Oryx
The Iliad | Homer
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Thanks @julesg for restoring my Litsy app so I can do my first #gladstonerds post of 2023.

Bookzombie Yay! That‘s great! 6mo
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ImperfectCJ
The Iliad | Homer
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There's the fun thing about preorders...I forget I ordered them until they show up in my mailbox. It's like a surprise gift I send to myself. :-) I loved Emily Wilson's translation of The Odyssey so much, I had to nab her Iliad, too.

dabbe Have you ever read Robert Fagles' translations? I'd love to know how they compare to hers. 6mo
Bklover And sometimes there‘s the added question of “Why did I buy this book?”! 6mo
ImperfectCJ @dabbe I have the Fagles for both. I haven't read them through, just dipped in and out as I needed to for whatever I was studying, but I was happily able to read the Wilson Odyssey through. Her idea, I think, is to try to capture the tone of the original, so the reader gets a sense of what it would have been like to hear it recited. I think I'm too far removed from Ancient Greece to get that, but I very much enjoy her Odyssey. 6mo
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ImperfectCJ @Bklover Indeed! Sometimes I do that even without preordering ;-) 6mo
TheBookHippie I preordered this too!!! 6mo
dabbe @ImperfectCJ I think my shelves need her editions as well. Thanks for your insight! 🧡💛🧡 6mo
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Nessavamusic
The Iliad | Homer
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1. Definitely tagged which I read in High School.
2. I love a duology, it feels like a full story without a big commitment. Though I don‘t mind a long series.
3. The Green Bone Saga which I just finished early this month. I hope she writes more in this world!
#wondrouswednesday @Eggs

Eggs Thanks for joining in 👍🏼 10mo
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wanderinglynn
The Iliad | Homer
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#wondrouswednesday

1. Probably The Iliad, written in 8th century BC, published in English in 1598

2. Depends on the series and if it‘s still interesting to me. JD Robb‘s In Death series is up to 56 and I still enjoy it. But other series, I‘ve burned out after 7 or 8.

3. Kate Daniels series by Ilona Andrews. I was sad but book 10 was a good place to end it.

Eggs Thanks for the thoughtful responses 🙌🏻 10mo
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ravenlee
The Iliad | Homer
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@dabbe as for your question, I have kind of an Odyssey problem! I love it so much I‘ve collected several translations over the years. I first studied the Fitzgerald in college, which is great but uses Ks instead of Cs (Kirke not Circe) and can be confusing. I think I read the Fagles the next time I studied it but I‘m not sure. I loved the Wilson translation because it gives a different perspective, and it‘s beautiful. Not sure I can pick just one!

ravenlee I forgot my graphic novel isn‘t in the picture, as kiddo used it for history this year. It‘s awesome, too. 10mo
dabbe I read Fitzgerald for THE ILIAD in college, and the Ks about killed me. Read Fagles for both, but based on what you wrote, I want to give Wilson a try. I agree that the perspective would be extremely interesting. Thanks. 🤗 #odysseyproblem ... LOVE that! 🩵🤍🩵 10mo
ravenlee @dabbe I didn‘t mind the Fitzgerald so much that first time, because it was the first time! But trying to sort out who some of those people were later (the Phaikians really threw me!), that was a killer. I really liked the introduction Wilson wrote, though at the moment I can‘t recall specifics. 10mo
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ravenlee
The Iliad | Homer
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Well, lookie here - publishing in September, Emily Wilson‘s translation of The Iliad! Now the difficult question: to wait forever for the paperback to match my Odyssey, or dive in as soon as there‘s a decent price on the hardcover? Decisions, decisions.

Zoes_Human YAY! 10mo
dabbe Have you read Fagles' translation? Do you prefer hers? Inquiring minds want to know! I've never read her but only Fagles. Would it be worth it to read hers, too? 😍 10mo
ImperfectCJ Ooh! I have Caroline Alexander's Iliad translation, but I love Wilson's Odyssey so much, I think I need her Iliad, too! 10mo
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ImperfectCJ
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I started the Caroline Alexander translation of The Iliad on audio, but I think I'm going to need to read the print version to retain any of it. I focused well during the introduction (super interesting!) but kept spacing out during the actual story. Which is unfortunate because I have much more time to put books in my ears than to put them in front of my eyes.

A rose from our garden. Our landlord has a landscaper, so I enjoy them but do no work.

dabbe Beautiful flower! 💐 11mo
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kelli7990
The Illiad | Homer
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Pickpick

Here‘s my review for a book I just finished reading.

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kelli7990
The Illiad | Homer
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I found a different translation of the Illiad. This one is for children but I think this one will work better for me since I‘m struggling to understand the translation that I‘m currently trying to read.

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kelli7990
The Illiad | Homer
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I decided to start this book next. I want to learn about Greek Mythology because I don‘t know anything about it. I listened to the first 5 books of this audiobook and listened to book summaries of each book on YouTube but I don‘t feel like I retained the information. I‘m interested in this story but I can‘t explain what‘s going on. All I know is that Greek Gods are fighting with each other.

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dabbe
The Iliad | Homer
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#TemptingTitles
@Eggs
@Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks

Starting with the 1st complete book of western civilization that we have. Iliad means “Troy.“ 💜

Eggs Brilliant 😊🤩 12mo
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dabbe
The Iliad | Homer
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TheSpineView Such a great poem!💗 13mo
thebackyardgnome Gotta love thosr extra-epic parts of epic poems 13mo
dabbe @TheSpineView I hated reading it in high school because the translation was from the 1700s. Our school was lucky to get a modern translation by Robert Fagles that I used when teaching it to the honors freshmen. What a world of difference a translation can make! ❣️ 13mo
TheSpineView @dabbe I can't remember what translation I read. Of course, I've slept since then! 🤣 13mo
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DavidDiamond
The Illiad | Homer
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This is just awful. This is an iconic bookstore here in Los Angeles. Here is the GoFundMe if you want to donate: https://www.gofundme.com/f/iliad-bookshop-needs-help-recovering-from-arson

fredamans 😖 1y
marleed That‘s heartbreaking. 1y
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Super_Jane
The Iliad | Homer
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Mehso-so

3.5/5. I don‘t know why I decided to read this. #2022 #june2022 #greekmythology #june

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Therewillbebooks
The Illiad | Homer
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Awhile back we created fantasy football teams with authors, we put a lot of thought and effort into this silly idea and we enjoyed it so much that we are back for baseball. Tonight, learn how much Matt loves this concept. Would he abandon everything and create fake author baseball teams all over the country? Maybe. We hope you make your own team and nerd out on this ridiculous idea. Enjoy!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3hrzGltI5l8lVmtwYsw4Hx

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tenar
The Iliad | Homer
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Pickpick

After fourteen intense hours, I‘m proud to say I read The Iliad! I‘d not been exposed to it before, and I was as intimidated as I was intrigued. I thank y‘all who read things like Homer and Shakespeare so casually here on Litsy; you make me feel like I can, too.

Caroline Alexander‘s translation was much more readable than I expected, and I found the extended similes exquisitely beautiful. My favorite part was meeting the disabled god Hephaestus.

Amiable Great job! Congratulations! 2y
LeahBergen Woohoo! 👏🏻👏🏻 2y
Suet624 I agree that others make it look so easy. 😎 congrats! 2y
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tenar @Amiable @LeahBergen @Suet624 Thank you! I‘ve read more and more widely since joining Litsy; y‘all are good influences 😉 2y
batsy Yay! I have this translation and I'm looking forward to tackling it sometime soon 🙂 2y
tenar @batsy Can‘t wait to hear what you think! I obviously have nothing to compare it to, but I found this one not only easy to read but easy to imagine performed, which delighted me. 2y
Hamlet Congratulations! I also love big epic similes & am excited for this translation. Well done. You‘re a fearless reader now! 2y
tenar @Hamlet Your comment really made me smile!! ☺️ I hope you enjoy Alexander‘s take on the fabulous similes! 2y
E.Bolhafner mmm I haven't read this version yet but The Iliad is on my reread list {I last read it in 2017}. The Fagles translation struck me as tedious and not just the naming of the ships part 0.o. But TBH I have been reading this for decades. That whole you learn something new upon rereading is true. 1y
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Rehesina
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Pickpick

I just realised that this is the 4th time I‘m reading the Iliad. This is also the second time I‘m reading the translation by Stephen Mitchell, which honestly makes the experience even better. I hope some day I can learn greek and actually read the Iliad, until then I will be reading this again and again.

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alisiakae
The Iliad | Homer
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My #bookspin list for December!

TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! 2y
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alisiakae
The Iliad | Homer
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It‘s Iliad study time! I really feel Bernie‘s mood today, hopefully this will get me out of today‘s funk. 😜

AmyG I am so feeling Bernie. 3y
Leftcoastzen I am too! 2y
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alisiakae
The Iliad | Homer
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It‘s a Greek mythology kind of day.

SamAnne I‘m hoping to finally get my reread of the Iliad started! But def starting Song of Achilles this week. 3y
alisiakae @SamAnne I‘m behind on my plan to read a chapter a day of the Iliad, but still hoping to finish by the end of the month. I forgot just how violent some of the chapters can be! But also loving the insults the gods throw at each other 🤣 3y
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alisiakae
The Iliad | Homer
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Why yes, I will be sharing some funny Iliad memes while I read. 😁

AFrostCauseReads I love this, can‘t wait for more! 3y
SamAnne Okay @4thhouseontheleft I‘m diving into The Iliad a couple weeks early. I‘m reading Caroline Alexander‘s translation. Cannot. Resist. Memes. Plus I‘m currently reading A Thousand Ships and will be reading Song of Achilles next month. 3y
alisiakae @samanne Want to do a #buddyread? I‘ll be reading A Song of Achilles next too! And I have Ariadne on my plate right now for #lmpbc. I found some lectures and a syllabus online I am following along while I read The Iliad. And I am planning The Odyssey for November. (edited) 3y
Oryx I'm here for all the Iliad and Odyssey memes you can throw at us. 3y
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arielmonsen
Iliad | Homer
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first required reading of college

SamAnne It was the first book I was assigned to read too! We made a drinking game involving the phrases Rosy fingered dawn and his such. Planning a reread next month. 3y
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alisiakae
The Iliad | Homer
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I started my self-study of Homer‘s Iliad today! Taking a lot of annotations this time around, and loving this translation a lot more than Lattimore‘s, it feels more accessible.

#HelloKitty hasn‘t my left my side today. Maya‘s 1st day of 8th grade, and she misses her. #catsoflitsy

Ruthiella Poor kitty! 😿 3y
sarahbarnes My daughter started 8th grade this week, too! 3y
SamAnne I plan to start the new translation next month. I‘ve read Lattimore‘s and look forward to a new take. 3y
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alisiakae @SamAnne I‘m reading the Fagles translation 3y
alisiakae @sarahbarnes mine came home happy! Hope yours did too ☺️ 3y
AlaMich Awww, poor Hello Kitty! 3y
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literateBee
The Iliad | Homer

Such a joy to read!

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aburninwinter
The Illiad | Homer
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Pickpick

🦉🏺✨ just thought I‘d share my new purchases with everyone! I am a huge Greek Mythology nerd and The Iliad is one of my favourite stories, so I‘m super excited to read the Robert Fagles translation! Aren‘t they pretty? ✨🏺🦉

Horvendile88 Phenomenal translations! 3y
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reading_rainbow
The Iliad | Homer
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Gift from my sister 🖤

The Rage of Achilles 1757
by giovanni battista tiepolo

LaraS Gotta love a new bookmark! 3y
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Addison_Reads
The Iliad | Homer
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Eggs Perfect choice 👏🏻📚👏🏻 3y
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Demeter2112
The Illiad | Homer
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thepostman96
Iliad: A New Translation | Caroline Alexander
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Pickpick

I really enjoyed Caroline Alexander‘s translation. It was easy to read and flowed very well. I know from an academic viewpoint there will be some that complained she did not keep the verses in dactylic hexameter, but that didn‘t matter to me. If you want to read The Iliad for pleasure, this is a great translation to choose.

SamAnne This translation is on my TBR list for this year. 3y
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Addison_Reads
The Iliad | Homer
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Pickpick

#BookSpinBingo @TheAromaofBooks #AmongTheGods @AkashaVampie

Insomnia is kicking my butt lately, but it gave me a chance to finish up this one. I haven't read this since high school and I was excited to revisit it.

I enjoyed it much more than I remembered. 💚 I really want to explore different translations now. Anyone have a favorite translation?

AkashaVampie Great job sweetie 3y
TheAromaofBooks This is a book I've picked up multiple times and never actually finished. I'm starting to think that it's my translation, so if someone recommends a good one to you, do let me know!! 3y
SamAnne @Addison_Reads @TheAromaofBooks I'm planning a reread of The Iliad this year. I'm excited to dive into Caroline Alexander's translation, which received rave reviews when it came out a couple years ago. Women translators are catching different meanings, putting different spins on the original Greek. And I also want to read A Thousand Ships, a retelling of the Trojan War from the women's perspective. 3y
Addison_Reads @SamAnne Thank you so much for letting me know. I'm excited to look into this one now. 3y
TheAromaofBooks @SamAnne - Thanks for the tip!! I will check it out!! 3y
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Cathy_J
Iliad | Homer
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This afternoon I watched/listened to some talented performers read selected passages from The Iliad. I have been feeling a bit daunted to read it myself but this was so good. I think I'm going to do it 😊😊

SamAnne I‘m wanting to reread it this year. About to start A Thousand Ships, a retelling of the Iliad focused on the women characters. 3y
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rabbitprincess
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Extremely well-timed #BookMail — long day at work with everything happening at once 😫 Bought this along with a 2021 calendar to make free shipping from Chapters 😄

vivastory I just ordered this. I'm itching to reread Iliad & Odyssey. I settled on this translation & the Mitchell trans. for Odyssey. 3y
rabbitprincess @vivastory I have the Emily Wilson translation of The Odyssey waiting on my shelves as well! 3y
vivastory I'll be curious to see your thoughts! There's so many great translations of the two & a lot of them are vastly different 3y
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Eggs
Iliade | Homer
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KarinWestbrook This one has been on my TBR for awhile now... thanks for the reminder! 3y
Eggs @KarinWestbrook ❤️❤️ 3y
Klou Perfect! 3y
Eggs @Klou Thanks 🙏🏻 3y
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EadieB
Iliade | Homer
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#ThankfulThursday @Cosmos_Moon

Achilles from the Iliad is my hero.

1. I would like to spend more time with my best friend, Mary, in Ocala Florida.

2. I am thankful for my husband who food shops and washes our clothes. I cook the food and fold the wash.

Can you play?
@DAB @CMB @Jennifer3 @Velvetfur @SomedayAlmost @ShelleyBooksie @Augustdana @Suet624 @Klou

@TheSpineView Thanks for the tag!

Velvetfur Thanks for the tag! I'll put my thinking head on 🙂 Sounds like you have a nice balanced marriage there too 💜 3y
DAB I am on it. 3y
DAB Thanks for the tag 3y
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mom2bugnbee I grew up in DeLand, 45 minutes from Ocala! They were a rival HS. ☺ 3y
EadieB @Velvetfur You're welcome! Yes I do have a great husband and we do work well together! 3y
EadieB @DAB You're welcome! 3y
EadieB @mom2bugnbee I met my best friend, Mary, at age 5 and we have been best friends ever since. We both grew up on the same street in Philadelphia PA. 3y
mom2bugnbee @EadieB My parents are from Downingtown. ☺ 3y
EadieB @mom2bugnbee Lots of people from PA have moved to Florida! 3y
Klou Thanks for tagging me! 3y
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LowCountryKnight

Odysseus is said to be the smartest man ever. I see him as a kind of passive individual. Everything is dependent on things that we do. We can only perceive the stories as they come into existence: the things that are in existence are real to some extent. We can regard the story of Homer as a real story or as an unreal story - in either case, it is the story of certain legends, that have a real ideal meaning. I try to understand this but I can't.

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Auntynanny
Iliad | Homer
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Pickpick

I wanted to read this for a while, mostly to better understand references in other books or movies. I'm glad I read it, but it definitely wasn't any easy read. I also didn't realize that the whole Trojan Horse thing doesn't happen in this book. Apparently it's in the Aenaid.

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Auntynanny
Iliad | Homer
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First trip of the year to Fair's Fair in Inglewood 😃

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diovival

It's always fun to see my namesake mentioned when reading books that touch on Greek mythology (even though it's usually connected to some sort of debauchery). Other than that I rarely encounter my name out it in the wilds of literature. Do you?

ImperfectCJ I rarely find my name in literature, but the occurrence I find most amusing is the subtitle of the tagged book: "What Charity Would Look Like if We Cared About Results." I often wonder the same thing myself. 4y
diovival @ImperfectCJ that made me chuckle 😂 4y
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diovival

"Terror and Panic were at hand. And it was Strife, the War-god's Sister, who helps him in his bloody work. Once she begins, she cannot stop. At first she seems a little thing, but before long, though her feet are still on the ground, she has struck high heaven with her head. She swept in now among the Trojans and Achaens, filling them with hatred of each other. It was the groans of dying men she wished to hear."

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diovival

"And now, gripping the notched end and the ox-gut string, he drew them back together till the string was near his breast and the iron point was by the bow. When he had bent the great bow to a circle, it gave a twang, the string sang out, and the sharp arrow leapt into the air, eager to wing its way into the enemy ranks."

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brilliantglow
The Illiad | Homer
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Just a little bit of reading for my mythology test next week #classicistsoflitsy

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diovival

But The rest marched on, and the whole plain seemed to be consumed by fire. Earth groaned beneath them as it does for Zeus the Thunderer in his anger,... Thus earth reverberated to their marching feet as it came swiftly on across the plain.

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diovival
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Thersites: My lord-

Odysseus: Now mark my words - and I make no idle threats. If I catch you once again playing the fool like this, let my head be parted from my shoulders and Telemachus be called no son of mine, if I don't lay my hands on you and strip you of your clothes, cloak, tunic, all that hides your nakedness, and then thrash you ignominiously and throw you out of the Assembly to go and blubber by the ships.

Thersites: 😢

batsy 😂 4y
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diovival
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I spy a note left by another reader in my secondhand copy of The Iliad. Do you leave notations, highlight or mark your book as you read? Do you write your name in your books?

Billypar I never write any notes. I get why people do it - helps to engage with the text, remember points, but I still can't. I like to reread parts as I go, and if I have notes, it's distracting. I also misinterpret stuff as I'm reading that I correct in my head later that I don't want to immortalize. And then just the act of writing in books seems generally wrong, (which makes no sense for non - library books, I know!) 4y
diovival @Billypar I feel you. I carry a small notebook with me so I can jot down thoughts as I'm reading. I can't bring myself to write notes directly in the books though. I don't dog-ear pages either. *cringes* Weirdly enough, I don't mind the leave behinds of other readers so much. It's a reminder that my book has been places and seen some things. 4y
Billypar I tend to avoid used books with a lot of writing, but if it's there it does make me curious. And I love reading the messages in books that were gifted. The copy of Howards End I read last year had the message: "To ___, A small token of my great affection" ? 4y
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Emjoy21
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But Zeus would not accomplish these desires. He took the ox, but added woe on woe.