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Parable of the Talents
Parable of the Talents | Octavia E. Butler
As America rebuilds itself, bigotry threatens a peaceful havenLauren Olamina was only eighteen when her family was killed, and anarchy encroached on her Southern California home. She fled the war zone for the hope of quiet and safety in the north. There she founded Acorn, a peaceful community based on a religion of her creation, called Earthseed, whose central tenet is that God is change. Five years later, Lauren has married a doctor and given birth to a daughter. Acorn is beginning to thrive. But outside the tranquil groups walls, America is changing for the worse.Presidential candidate Andrew Steele Jarret wins national fame by preaching a return to the values of the American golden age. To his marauding followers, who are identified by their crosses and black robes, this is a call to arms to end religious tolerance and racial equalitya brutal doctrine they enforce by machine gun. And as this band of violent extremists sets its deadly sights on Earthseed, Acorn is plunged into a harrowing fight for its very survival.This ebook features an illustrated biography of Octavia E. Butler including rare images from the authors estate.
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#7Covers7Days #Day1 Parable of the Talents

I love this cover of this Book. Loved the first book in the dual series Parable of the Sower (which I listened to on Audiobook)

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Blaire
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The slogans used by the demagogic leader in this book are eerily reminiscent to the dehumanizing language our president uses today. Olamina finds her little community of acorn demonized to awful consequences. Exploration of identity, religion, and change told through olamina, her brother, and her daughter. I didn‘t like this as much as parable of the sower and will admit to not actually liking the earthseed verses. Still a pick.

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Blaire
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A little depressing for a vacation read...especially with our current president. Some of the slogans and language are eerie. That said I am very much enjoying our little spot on the cape. Thinking to pick up a lighter read today.

Emilymdxn I felt exactly the same when I read this recently, definitely difficult to process how relevant it is to now but very rewarding to read. Im not even from America but it applies in so many places just as well 😔 but on the upside, reading and sharing stories and ideas is part of the antidote so we can be a part of it. Lovely picture, I hope you have a good holiday with some lighter reads! 3mo
Blaire @Emilymdxn yes. Feels important to read now but hard too. Rest of vacation was filled with YA and a thriller so def balances out. 😍 3mo
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Blaire
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Starting my morning with French toast, coffee, and a little dystopian cli-fi. Happy weekend!!

Leftcoastzen Looks yummy! 4mo
GloVerdino I just listened to an Octavia Butler story on the LeVar Burton podcast 4mo
Blaire @GloVerdino nice! I keep meaning to check out his podcast. 4mo
Blaire @Leftcoastzen thanks! I make challah French toast most Saturday mornings! 4mo
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Words cannot describe how beautiful and how important this book is. I would put a copy in everyone‘s hands if I could.

Bklover What are you knitting?? It‘s beautiful!💕 5mo
GivenLemons @Bklover thank you! I‘m knitting a pair of socks, but with a lace pattern on the leg part 5mo
Bklover Oh I am so impressed! You are quite talented!! 💕 5mo
BooknerdsLife Aww the socks you‘re knitting is so pretty😍 5mo
elkeo_TheBookDragon I have been meaning to read this book! 4mo
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Emilymdxn
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May reading wrap up! I read SO much. I think because I‘m in a bit of a money crisis all I do is sit and read at home rather than going out and doing other things 😂 best books this month were tagged book, Bhagavad Gita (audio issues aside) and Crime and Punishment. I may finish either or both of bricks that built the houses and the sea the sea tonight so could add two more

Drocchio03 I‘ve had the Bhagavad Gita on my list for YEARS. Did you find that a complimentary guide was needed / would have been helpful - or that the message/themes/parables were clear enough without? 6mo
Leftcoastzen Very impressive! Hope finances improve soon , I love that you‘re getting to books that have been on the TBR for a long time. 6mo
MayaB1226 That‘s so cool that you read/loved Crime and Punishment! I‘m thinking of finishing it over the summer too. I love Russian lit! Have you read anything else by Dostoyevsky? 6mo
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Emilymdxn @Drocchio03 my audio edition had an intro section for each section so there was so much introduction I didn‘t really need explanatory notes to get what was going on, but I do think reading some commentary afterwards would be great 6mo
Emilymdxn @Leftcoastzen thank you! Yep my endless tbr and the library are my saviours 6mo
Emilymdxn @MayaB1226 I really loved it! I also read the brothers karamazov recently but didn‘t enjoy it anything like as much as crime and punishment. That‘s my only Dostoyevsky so far but I want to read more 6mo
Drocchio03 @Emilymdxn Good to know; thank you! 6mo
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Octavia Butler has to be one of my fave novelists of all time now. Spookily prescient story of fanaticism and bigotry in a US wrecked by climate change, a demagogue president, too many guns and too little communication.

This was intense, devastating, but never ‘too much‘ - it contained a lot that could be triggering or horrible but Butler‘s writing is always classy, comforting somehow, it holds your hand while it shows you frightening things.

Liatrek Wonderful review❤️ I agree 100% 6mo
SW-T Well said! 6mo
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I adored Parable of the Sower so much I‘m so glad I‘m finally reading this one! It looks frankly terrifying, but I trust Octavia Butler to write about awful things in a way that makes me better for having read them.

SW-T Butler has a way of writing about horrible things that makes you glad you did. 6mo
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Parable of the Talents was more terrifying than Sower, just because of the political aspect that's carries way too many parallels to today. I really loved reading it though. Butler was so good at capturing completely different personalities with different views and different voices, and make you believe each of them.

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Man I love when fiction written 20 years ago is so horrifically on point today.

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Many of Octavia Butler‘s books are on sale for Kindle today in the US store. You should read them.

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Just finished this and my mind is blown.

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Starting this one now. I hope it is as good as the first one.

BarbaraTheBibliophage Loved it. ♥️ 10mo
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Karisa
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Written in the 1990s, this dystopian classic has parts that feel eerily familiar to our present. "Help us make America great again," a presidential candidate asks his followers. He looks the other way while they use a warped version of Christianity as a blunt weapon for fear and control.

Butler's vision for the future is haunting. It strikes so close to home. Luckily, this bleak future is infused with a balance of hope and a powerful heroine.

JanePratt Ooooooh, this sounds SO GOOD. 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JanePratt It‘s excellent!! 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I read it last year and felt the same way!!! 10mo
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Karisa 😊 I kept highlighting passages and driving my husband crazy telling him about parts. His response, well she was writing during the time of Gingrich. . . 10mo
Suet624 Nice job reviewing this. You finally convinced me to read it. 😀 10mo
Karisa @Suet624 Hope you enjoy it too! 10mo
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Karisa
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#HumpDayPost @MinDea #NewYearWhoDis

1. I took this photo in July, 2018. First trip to Paris and hope to go back someday.
2. 2019 Reading Goals: 50 books, more nonfiction, more middle school books (I'm a teacher, so it helps.)
3. Best of 2018 was traveling more (DC, Ashland Shakespeare Festival, London, Paris); worst of 2018 was/is our president's actions.
4. 2019 Resolution: Finish my Master's Degree🎉
5. First read: Parable of the Talents

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Karisa
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Here's my view of my reading buddy from my comfy reading chair. Happy (almost) New Year, Litsy!

#booknook #ReadinginTheNewYear

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Here‘s my Christmas #bookhaul with #Phoenix and our tiny tree (which got upgraded with dollar store lights this year 😂). Merry Christmas, everyone! 🎄🎁

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LoverofLit
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Putting a review for this book into words (and the one before, in this two part series) is really difficult. The magnitude of feelings I felt throughout is wide and varied. Relieved our world is not this one. Worry it could become it so easy. This was an important read. But parts were SO sad and SO draining. No perfectly happy ending here, but a fitting one for Olamina and the cast of other characters. I highly recommend reading these books.

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LoverofLit
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....way it always is."
Real light Christmas reading, finishing this book up today ?

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Truth!

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Sick baby means "Oh no! I can't get anything on my huge To-Do list done. I guess I'll just read and snuggle. Oh darn!" ? ? ☕

ravenlee I hope your baby feels better soon! But for now enjoy the snuggles and quiet time. 11mo
Traci1 Aww. Hope baby is feeling better soon. 11mo
LauraBeth Awww - I miss those snuggly baby days. 💕Hoping that sickness leaves quickly though! 11mo
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erzascarletbookgasm Hope your baby gets well soon. 11mo
LoverofLit @Traci1 @LauraBeth @ezrascarletbookgasm Thank you! It was a 24 hour bug. She's toddling around now getting her strength back! ☺ 11mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks ❤️❤️ 11mo
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LoverofLit
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Reading this line from a book published in 1998 about a leader of the US who allows persecution of anyone who isn't Christian and white was terrifying and gave me goosebumps. 😳🙅

TheAliceEvers 😳😳😳 11mo
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Only 3% in and I found the title of the book! 😍😍

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Octavia 😍
Americans - please vote! The whole world is begging you!

arubabookwoman What a prescient description of our current "leader." 12mo
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Wbabdullah
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So I finally finished. I found the different voices between estranged mother, child, and father to be interesting at first. In the end, I just felt sad and sorry for the messy situation that happened to the family that created those estranged voices. What makes this book so-so for me is that it just ended abruptly and haltingly. I didn‘t appreciate that after investing substantial energy into living these characters‘ lives 😂.

Wbabdullah I liked Parable of the Sower more than this sequel. It seemed to have more life, energy and passion—perhaps because Lauren was so young then. Parable of the Talents seemed to dry out, writing-wise, just like most adults do-getting fixated on certain dreams and cycles that never really reconcile themselves, such as the age-old problem of using religion to manipulate people and situations. Toxicity alert! 1y
Wbabdullah What Butler has going for her is that the problems in The Earthseed series are commentary on how we as people actually live life and I know she is urging us toward CHANGE (I mean that‘s the whole Earthseed doctrine right there), but it‘s gonna take some head scratching to figure out how. I thought I would‘ve loved this more 😩 1y
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This is scary how prophetic this book is and I‘m only a few pages in. A presidential candidate that wants a throw back to “simpler times,” condemns violence he stirs up with mild language open to interpretation, and an actual quote “Help us make America great again”. ⁉️🤯

BarbaraTheBibliophage It was intense. That‘s for sure! 1y
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Another re-read for me. I‘d kind of forgotten just how emotionally traumatic this book is, and in today‘s political climate it feels even more prescient and chilling. Wonderfully written but nonetheless a super tough read. There‘s a lot to think about with this one - religion, purpose, the meaning of family, etc. Beautiful finish to the duology!

BarbaraTheBibliophage Great review. This is one I can imagine rereading too! 1y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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A few final questions. Feel free to add your own in comments. Thanks everyone—what a series this has been. I‘m so glad I could read and discuss with you all! 😍😍

Riveted_Reader_Melissa 2. I was SO mad at Marc by the end of this. He found Larkin when she was 2 or 3, but decided for himself that she (and all the other acorn children) where better off with their Church families, than with the families that he knew were desperately looking for them and that treated him so well! Meanwhile his own niece left as soon as she was old enough and was then ostracized, and basically on her own until she accidentally found Marc... (edited) 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ...and then only because she was looking for him the famous minister. Yea... he was a major ass, sorry, but I truly disliked him by the end. (edited) 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa 1. Larkin‘s been lied to her whole life, I felt so bad for them in that moment. They really never had a chance to get to know each other. (edited) 1y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa 3. At least it was a happy-ish positive outlook in the end long term, but it would be a hard series to wrap up any better. 1y
Eggbeater 1. I felt like Larkin was brain washed by her uncle because he was the first person to truly care about her. She saw her mother's fierce anger toward him and it freaked her out. It's understandable but I wish she had been easier on Lauren and been able to see this from her point of view. Her child was stolen and her own brother betrayed her! 1y
Eggbeater 2. I was furious with Marc. Lauren saved him from slavery. What kind of evil, self-righteous religious bullshit was that? He robbed Larkin of a loving mother! What he did was unforgivable. If I were Lauren it would have taken all my self restraint to let him live. 1y
Eggbeater 3. I almost felt like the book didn't really end; like it could have continued. I would have liked to have known more about Earthseed's development. I loved the book. I'm glad I read it as a buddyread because it was an emotionally tough read at times and I actually needed the support. I will definitely read more of her books though. I snagged the Patternist series for $2.99 today on kindle. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Eggbeater YES! I‘m so glad I wasn‘t the only one who had extreme hate for Marc by the end! He decided for himself that all those kids and their parents weren‘t worth jeopardizing his rising star in the church. If he claimed children of “heathens” as relatives, he‘d have to own to being a relative of a heathen too, and worse yet to suggest the “heathen” parents deserved the right to raise their kids again, god forbid! I really hate his choices... 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ..and then to actually find her again, after Lauren won the court case and everything, and to lie to Larkin continually. I‘m still furious. He had tons of opportunities as he got more powerful in the church and as the society shifted away from the darker sides of a Christian American practices to make things right, and he made the other choice EVER time. Even at the end, he could have helped Harry reunite with his lost kids, he grew up with... (edited) 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ...Harry, but nope! 🤯 1y
BarbaraJean @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Eggbeater Totally with you both re: Marc! His determination to turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy and corruption within CA, because it would ruin what he‘d worked for, ruin him getting ahead in an organization that had been shown to be more than questionable... and all at the expense of his sister who literally bought him out of slavery. 🤬 Then to see Larkin/Asha‘s response to Lauren—a direct result of Marc‘s lies. Ugh. 1y
BarbaraJean 1. I‘m not sure how I would feel—as the reader, I sympathize more with Lauren than Larkin/Asha was able to. Lauren had her faults for sure, but in regard to her daughter, I hurt for both of them. For a child to be torn from loving parents, then abused and lied to is horrific. It would be hard to have a balanced view of Lauren. And yet, what happened to Larkin is NOT Lauren‘s fault, and I wish Asha could have been able to see/acknowledge that. 1y
BarbaraJean 3. I thought it wrapped up really well. Knowing that Butler struggled with writing the third, and was never able to make it work—I worried that this one would feel incomplete. But it didn‘t. As much as I was dubious about Earthseed as a belief system, I liked the sense of hope in seeing the Destiny realized. I also liked seeing Harry there with Lauren at the end—the support and continuity of their long friendship. 1y
Skygoddess1 1. I felt bad for Lauren over her first meeting with Larkin. I felt like Larkin didn‘t care that Lauren had done all that she could looking for her, or the fact that it was because of Marc that Larkin was never reunited with Lauren and saved from the treatment she received growing up. 1y
Skygoddess1 2. I completely agree that Marc stole Larkin from Lauren. He knew where she was from the age of 2 or 3, but because he felt his sister was a sinner that she didn‘t deserve to have her child back. Then the fact that he went on to lie to Larkin about what happened to her parents, was unforgivable. He was a repugnant character who needed a good beat down. 1y
Skygoddess1 3. I liked the way that this wrapped up. The only thing I was sad about was that Lauren and her daughter were never truly able to reunite and form a true mother/daughter relationship. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Skygoddess1 I had to laugh at your punishment suggestion for Marc. He was just a wicked, hypocritical, oily, ambitious man. 🤢 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage 1) I really do NOT think Lauren did everything she could to find Larkin. At least not based on what Butler wrote. If I was Asha, I would have been pissed that her mother was traveling the world building Earthseed and not looking. For decades Lauren just gave up. I never had the sense she was especially maternal, so this isn‘t a surprise to me. Earthseed was Lauren‘s child and her true passion. She always put it first over finding Larkin. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage 2) Yes he did steal Asha. But as I said, Lauren didn‘t really try as hard as some mothers would have. Butler was making a point about both Marc and Lauren being obsessed with their religions, above everything else. Neither of them put Asha first, which is reprehensible. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage 3) I think there was a point where Butler could have told the details of how Earthseed succeeded. And then she just skipped over that to the epilogue and summary of Destiny‘s flight. I see where book three would have gone. I think. While I respect her need to wrap it up, I still wish Butler would have persisted with book three. 1y
Wbabdullah I concur with @BarbaraTheBibliophage! I would‘ve liked to see if Earthseed was successful in the end..I guess it was since they had money, schools, and finally made it to the stars. But I was not feeling Marc, nor the ending. The narrative just stopped and halted and then left me scratching my head about the Biblical passage. Oh how we use religion and warp it to meet our own selfish ambitions! 1y
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Our final discussion goes live today. Thanks to everyone for participating in #earthseedbuddyread. It‘s been amazing to read and discuss.

I‘m thinking of the Patternmaster series next. They‘re all on Kindle Daily Deal today for $2.99. What do you say we do a #patternmasterbuddyread in the fall?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I have that series already, I was planning on next year, but I‘m pretty sure I could reshuffle my plans. 1y
Leniverse OMG how did I miss this!?! I have been meaning to read the Parable books “next month” for a couple of years! 😅😆 1y
Ingerella Yes! I'm in for a Patternmaster series buddy read. 1y
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BarbaraJean Oh, goodness—I don‘t think I can pass up the whole Patternmaster series for $2.99! #blameitonlitsy, indeed. I would be interested in a Patternmaster buddy read for sure. Meanwhile, I sorely need to catch up on the Parable discussions—tonight! 1y
Skygoddess1 Count me in for Patternmaster buddy read. I loved our buddy read of the Earthseed duology and look forward to more Octavia Butler 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Ingerella @BarbaraJean @Skygoddess1 Awesome! Once I figure out a few things in my non-reading life, I will debate timing for a buddy read. Since there are four books, I might do two in the fall and two in the winter. Not sure ... but open for suggestions, of course! 😍 1y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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Maybe Butler was clairvoyant, but mostly she was a student of history who used her brilliant imagination to envision a chilling world in our near future. I appreciated her addition of POVs in this 2nd #earthseed book. The mother-daughter contrast was stark. And the violence was rough to digest. But Talents cemented Butler as a favorite of mine, if not THE favorite.

Full review at www.TheBibliophage.com
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Bookboss I just finished Kindred! Loved it! 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Bookboss I loved Kindred also! And Fledgling. And these two. Now I‘m on to her Patternmaster or Lilith books. 👏🏻👏🏻 1y
Ingerella I'm listening to Fledgling now, and just bought the Patternist series. 1y
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This novel was eerily prophetic to the point where it was devastating to read. I could not read it before bed. It made all other dystopians look like "Goodnight Moon." It was amazing, but I wouldn't say I "enjoyed" it. I would more say I got a lot out of reading it and the book will stay with me. I've never encountered another author who could make me feel and think so strongly.

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Trashcanman 👁️👁️ 1y
Texreader She is an amazing author. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Great review! 1y
Nute Great review! 1y
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Such a tough but great read, and just a little too prescient in its version of a President who wants to “Make America Great Again” at times. These books will have to go right beside The Handmaid‘s Tale for me, dystopian that is so very close to reality at times as to become truly scary, just one tiny slip and you could be there. Is horror dystopian a thing? Because in this day and age, this book was a truly creepy read. 😬

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BarbaraTheBibliophage Great review. I finished it last weekend and still haven‘t written the review. Need to get it done, since I loved the book. Loved the way it challenged me. #reallifehorror 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Yes, it was a very challenging read. There were times I put it down for a week without picking it up because it was just too much, and times when I couldn‘t put it down at all. So tough to read, but so very worth the challenge. I‘m thinking The Stand by King will be less scary for me in comparison 😂, I‘m hoping to start that one before too long.🤞 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Just how it was for me. I‘m so glad we did the buddy read because it‘s helped to have people to talk to about it. I need to start The Stand also!! 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage I agree, it would have been a tough one to read and then just sit on without having anyone else to talk to. Because I definitely felt like I needed to talk about it. I can‘t wait for the discussion next weekend about the ending. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know! It was a toss up between four and five weeks, and I‘m glad we had five weeks. And then again, I‘m anxious to talk about the end! 1y
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Discussion Day!! Some of us are ahead and others behind. Please be mindful of spoilers.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa 1. I wouldn‘t have to worry about it, I have a chronic illness, if there were meds they‘d be out of my financial reach, so I‘d be gone when things first started going bad. Sorry, don‘t mean to be super dark, but in this dystopian world it‘s the truth. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa 2. Sadly it‘s her 2 babies....Earthseed and Larkin... but isn‘t that true for most of us, our family and our faith... both can be wellsprings of support or used against us. (edited) 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa 3. Survive, no matter what, any way you can, and then go on from there. 1y
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Ingerella 1. I'm a nurse, so I would like to think I could make my living that way, but being a woman makes me think it wouldn't matter that I'm a nurse. Plus, I don't live in a wealthy, walled community so I feel like i wouldn't be well protected either. Also, I don't think I have the same kind of strength Lauren has to survive. 1y
Ingerella 2. I think Lauren's biggest weakness is Earthseed, but at the same time it's her biggest strength. 1y
Ingerella Thinking more about #1. In a Jarrett run world I think I would be in trouble. I'm not religious, wasn't brought up on it, and I would want to help people regardless of how Christian they were. The Crusaders would probably come and get me 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa 4) I think they‘ll have some sort of substitute parent/daughter bond going forward, but in this world...who knows how that will work out. 1y
Ingerella 3. Still thinking.. 1y
DrexEdit 1. I'd probably teach reading and writing like Lauren does.
2. Earthseed and her daughter. Both make her take bigger risks than she might otherwise.
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DrexEdit 3. I don't think OB is using sexual assault to demonstrate male power over females. She shows men being used as sex slaves also. I think it's more about showing the ugly side of any kind of out of control power and surviving no matter what others do to you. 1y
DrexEdit 4. I don't know about Len yet. I'm sort of guessing that she will be an earthseed missionary since that is what Lauren said she wanted. 1y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa And I‘m actually caught up this week and ready for it! Yay for me😂 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yay you!! I had to finish ahead, so it‘s a reminder to me not to spoil. I made my little question graphics as I read. 😄 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage I‘m sure I‘ll finish today too, right after this discussion! LOL 1y
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Susanita Overdrive loan expired before I could finish, but I should have it back soon. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Susanita Oh that‘s what happens with a buddy read schedule! Come discuss whenever you can. 😍 1y
Wbabdullah The same thing happened to me @Susanita! I was reading Parable of the Talents in July...then life happened, then the ebook was due back, but I am proud to say that I finished it yesterday! And I only had 100 pages left roughly! But I was a bit disappointed with the ending. It just seemed abrupt and that‘s all I can say without spoiling anything. I definitely liked Parable of the Sower more. 1y
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Somehow this section seems a bit better to me....and it isn‘t, not at all.... but it feels more like the dystopian world of The Handmaid‘s Tale, a dystopian world I am familiar with and therefore not as shocking.

But what‘s really scary, is to realize that once something sounds familiar, it‘s less shocking or scary... because that‘s how you normalize horrible behavior, and aren‘t as outraged by it anymore.😬🤐

#EarthseedBuddyRead

GingerAntics It‘s when bad behaviour starts to feel not so bad that problems start. This is scary. I had the same thought reading it. I need to read this book now. 1y
DrexEdit I had similar thoughts at this point in the book. Things started looking and feeling too familiar! Now I have to do some googling to figure out how much of an influence Octavia was on Margaret. I was watching the Handmaid's Tale this weekend and realized for the first time that the husband's name is Lukas Bankole. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DrexEdit Great Catch!! I wouldn‘t even have noticed that until I read The Handmaid‘s Tale the next time! 1y
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Geez... this one is beginning to feel more like reading a horror novel than a dystopian science-fiction novel to me!

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Yep... I can definitely see why this book is being mentioned a lot lately, some of this is just way too familiar. Scarily so at times....

...I find myself wondering now how many of those ‘ineligible for reunification‘ children who crossed the border seeking asylum with their parents have been adopted by good Christian Evangelicals families to be ‘raised properly‘.😵

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Laura317 Wow, that‘s a big jump! I am by no means a fan of the current President, but I don‘t think that‘s what‘s happening. Some of it is human trafficking, some is non-documentation, some is plain government bureaucracy run amok. Most of us Christian Evangelicals adopt for that reason. I can tell you that my husband and I adopted because we wanted children. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Laura317 And I‘m so glad you did, and maybe it‘s reading this now while seeing the news about kids who are ineligible to be reunited with their parents. I just can‘t even imagine, why, why on earth they would have deported any parent without their child and kept the child here. It‘s heartbreaking to me. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Laura317 And if you haven‘t read this book, basically anyone poor or that they disagree with is sent to a re-education camp, and their children taken to be adopted by good “Christian Americans”. It‘s definitely a dystopian horror story, but like all good ones, a bit too plausible at times. (edited) 1y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Laura317 It probably didn‘t help at all that I read Schindler‘s List last weekend too... I better read something lighter next. 1y
GingerAntics Seeing that some of those children (the younger ones) were sent to an orphanage with ties to the woman from Michigan that wants to turn all education into a corporation, I‘ve wondered this myself? How many of these kids are going to be adopted out to “good Americans” with “proper moral standards”? 1y
GingerAntics @Laura317 by no means is every evangelical a supporter of the president. By no means does every evangelical think the current president was sent by God to make America Christian again, but some do and they tend to be the loudest voices. Personally, I would call you an evangelical. You wanted children, you wanted to give them love and happiness. You have and that is wonderful. I applaud you. I hope to do the same one day, honestly. 1y
GingerAntics @Laura317 other people I would call “evangelicals”. They have pretty much hijacked your good name - and the good name of Christians everywhere - and turned it into something hateful and angry. Evangelicals would never do something like this. “Evangelicals” certainly would. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics I can relate to that, I definitely feel like “Christianity” has been highjacked by, for lack of a better word, “fundamentalists”. I read some of the things they claim as religious and don‘t see anything of the loving, golden rule, take care of the poor, needy, etc religion I was taught as a child. 1y
GingerAntics Oh, exactly. There are Christians here who literally claim that the bible says you will always have the poor, so don‘t bother with them or help them. Yeah, that‘s not what it says. I totally feel like the “Jesus loves me” faith I grew up with literally does not exist for these extremists. Christians are a good lot, it‘s the people who have hijacked that title/label that aren‘t. 1y
Laura317 Thank you so much, @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics for recognizing and pointing out the differences. 😘😘 I now understand what you mean. The ugly rhetoric from the extreme right and the extreme left just makes me want to cry sometimes. (edited) 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Laura317 YES! So much yes. I definitely feel like a good faith‘s good name is being ruined & dragged through the mud by people who use it to defend the worst hatred lately. But I try to remind myself that that‘s always been true, from slave holders to the KKK, but there have also always been great organization by church‘s confronting that, from abolitionists & through the Civil Rights Movement. I wish there was a stronger opposing voice now. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Laura317 I‘m so sorry that you thought I meant it about all evangelicals or all adoptions. I hope that every single parent adopts to give their children a better life, to love them unconditionally. But reading this, after Schindler‘s List, and then news stories about how children were told their parents left them here and abandoned them, tricking some of the parents into signing their rights away.... that‘s some scary dystopian stuff too. 1y
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa oh reading this after Schindler‘s List, yeah your brain is on over drive. Not to mention we could be living out a dystopian story right now. I really wish there was a stronger voice against it now. Sometimes I feel like the lone crazy screaming against it. It‘s amazing the number of people I thought were part of the actual religion with the good people who have seemed to go to the dark side now. 1y
GingerAntics @Laura317 adoption is awesome!!! I think more people should do it, but there are people out there with the wrong intentions. I do think with all the stuff you have to go through to actually adopt, most people have the right intentions. You‘ve got your babies, and you love your babies, and that is awesome!!! ❤️❤️❤️ No idea what made me want to adopt, but I‘ve wanted to do it since I was a little kid. It‘s weird. 1y
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Chrissyreadit Awesome! 1y
GingerAntics Stunningly true!!! Beautifully poignant!!! 1y
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🙄 I can see why this book has been mentioned a lot more lately. #EarthseedBuddyRead

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I loved this book and series. It was bleak, and dark, but I loved the characters. I wish the series would have continued. Different from Parable of the Sower, this book added new perspective that had me questioning how I thought about our main character. I finished a bit earlier than the timeline for the #earthseedbuddyread, but it was hard to put down. I'm so glad I read it and have plans to read more by Butler. She could become a favorite. 4.5⭐

Liatrek Love Octavia! I would recommend all her books I‘ve read so far. Kindred and Wild Seed are amazing. 1y
Ingerella @Liatrek Thank you so much for the recommendation! I'm also excited to read Fledgeling. I want to read them all. 1y
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Catching up with the #EarthseedBuddyRead this week, boy this is a bit too familiar at times.

Kammbia1 I missed the buddy read. I have read both Parable books. 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Kammbia1 I‘m reading them now, both are very good. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Kammbia1 Feel free to hunt down our discussion posts and join in! (edited) 1y
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Thanks everyone for these great discussions! As always, add your own questions into the mix anytime. #earthseedbuddyread

Ingerella 1. So glad to be back in the discussion, though this book has been very hard to get through emotionally. I'm not sure how to answer the first question. I think I understand now why we've had so much disdain for Lauren from Larken as she's been narrating the chapter openings. She harbors resentment for what could have been if her mother weren't so Earthseed obsessed. I think Butler wrote the separation well enough to give a kick to the gut. 1y
Ingerella 1. Cont'd. I immediately remembered the recent news stories. 2. I think this section has been the hardest of both books to stomach because for one, you see everything they've built destroyed. I was crushed that Bankole and Zahra were killed, and it just got more difficult for them. She has spent the last 6 years re-educating her community about Earthseed..and then to have them be "re-educated" under the guise of being better Christians... 1y
Ingerella 2. While they were simultaneously being made to suffer so terribly. 1y
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Ingerella 3. The one line that I kept thinking about through their time in the camp was "And I must hide that record so that, someday, Earthseed will know what Earthseed has survived." It made me hope that they could get through it and come out on the other side even stronger survivors. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage 1. I think Butler is effectively showing both sides—mother and child—in the separation. I don‘t blame Larkin for her anger at all players. As much as I think Lauren was culpable because she didn‘t go to Halstead, she also couldn‘t have known the Crusaders were coming. They are unbearably cruel. (edited) 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage 2. YES!! Butler is historically informed in her choice of the term re-education camp. Here‘s an article from May 2018 about how this is happening in our current world. It‘s not a big stretch to imagine it here in the US. Particularly when you see Christians building camps to “re-educate” and “convert” gays. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-life-like-in-xinjiang-reeducation-camps-c... (edited) 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage 3. Here‘s the one that punched me in the gut. “My brother said a collar makes you envy the dead. As bad as that sounds, it didn‘t, couldn‘t, convey to me, how a collar makes you hate. It teaches you whole new magnitudes of utter hatred.” 1y
Ingerella That one hit me in the gut too. It's followed by "I knew almost nothing about hate until this thing was put around my neck", which made me so sad. 1y
rjsthumbelina @Ingerella I agree with basically everything you said. It was very hard to get through this last section. I am very curious to see what happens from here! Though it doesn't seem like things will get a whole lot better. 1. I thought the separation from the children was pretty downplayed. Yes, they were all upset, but they continued to do what they had to do to survive. I found myself forgetting that they had been separated until Larkin would (cont) 1y
rjsthumbelina ...join back in the discussion. I was pretty sucked in by all the other things going on. It is another scary prediction from Butler in light of today's events in the U.S. 2. I thought the re-education camp was done so perfectly. I could easily imagine that situation coming to pass. 3. The rape was very hard for me to stomach, in general. The most difficult thing for me was probably Larkin talking about her adopted father. They justified (cont) 1y
rjsthumbelina ...taking these children away from their parents by saying they were being put into "good Christian" homes, and Larkin has to deal with that abuse throughout her childhood as a result. That broke me. 1y
Ingerella @rjsthumbelina Prior to this section I kept wondering why Larkin seemed so resentful..now I completely understand why. I think for me Lauren's obsession with Earthseed didn't feel like an obsession until this last section, and I understood the consequences it had for Bankole and Larken.. especially since she had a chance to leave. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @rjsthumbelina Lauren‘s just not allowed to show all of the emotions around losing her daughter. Maybe because of the camp, or maybe because Butler chose not to delve into it very much. It DOES seem downplayed compared to what it could be. 1y
Skygoddess1 Reading this part of the book helped to reinforce the issues I‘ve developed towards organized religion as I‘ve gotten older. The sheer hypocrisy that tends to exist, in this instance it‘s the “you‘re all sinners so we‘re going to take away your children and re-educate you, but it‘s perfectly all right for us to rape you whenever we want and that‘s all right because we‘re righteous and “good Christians” 1y
Eggbeater 1. Chapter 11 was so devastating to read that I could not move on for about a week. I read it before bed and thinking about kids being ripped from parents for some stupid justification was startlingly prophetic. I could not sleep trying to figure out what I should do about it in real life. I feel so powerless. Lauren can't be blamed in my opinion. The victim is never at fault. When you're not a cruel person sick and twisted behavior shocks you. 1y
Eggbeater 2. Kind of reminded me of the schools Pence had been known to support to try to make gay people become straight. This book makes all other dystopians look like "Goodnight, Moon." 1y
Eggbeater 3. It wasn't any particular words so much as they referred to certain guards as so and so's rapist. As if having an assigned rapist is the norm 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa This section is tough! The taking the kids and reeducating them in their own way too to blame & hate their parents feels like it‘s ripped from the recent news. Where immigrants signed papers told they would get their children back, but really it was signing away their rights, and kids told their parents didn‘t want them and had basically abandoned them here. It‘s a hard enough story to read, but the eerie parallels are totally creepy. 1y
BarbaraJean I‘m so late joining the discussion—and partly because this section was so very difficult to read. The parallels to the current separation of families, the justification of abuse & cruelty in the name of Christianity...was more than hard to stomach. The parent/child separation was like a gut punch for me. I didn‘t feel it was downplayed—b/c they were punished beyond reason for any questioning or mourning, to go into shock/survival mode made sense. 1y
BarbaraJean Butler‘s choice of “re-education camp” was spot on. This section was MUCH harder to read for me. I react strongly to cruelties inflicted in the name of “faith.” As a Christian, it‘s especially difficult to see characters twisting a faith I identify with into something completely unrecognizable from the Christianity & the God I believe in. It‘s also infuriating to see small parallels to rhetoric I see other Christians currently identifying with. 1y
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Ingerella I read that New Yorker article just yesterday, and then read it to my husband. It's quite interesting, and very scary. 1y
Eggbeater Confession time: I am way behind. After certain chapters I am just going to have to take this book a little slower than most. It's good, but it keeps me up at night and some days I just don't have it in me. I didn't get past chapter 12 yet. 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Eggbeater And that‘s completely cool. These discussions will be here whenever you get there. I think we picked an especially difficult time to read these books, no matter how good they are. 😍😍 1y
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Butler's response to people saying that Earthseed is prophecy: "I certainly hope not."

https://www.newyorker.com/books/second-read/octavia-butlers-prescient-vision-of-...

#earthseedbuddyread

BarbaraTheBibliophage Thanks—I‘ve gotta read that!! 1y
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Okay, the similarities between the book and the things that people say and do today are frightening. I can't decide if I wish Octavia were here to see the similarities or if I'm glad that she didn't have to see things move closer to her ideas in this book. I guess she had already seen the writing on the wall, and that's why she wrote the book the way she did. I can just hear men from the small rural town I grew up in saying the top part!

BarbaraTheBibliophage I agree. She couldn‘t stomach a book three in the series, and I‘ll bet she would‘ve felt the same way about the real-life world of 2018. #earthseedbuddyread (edited) 1y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yea, I agree too. It‘s a bit to real, and a bit to scary at the moment. 1y
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Just about 4 hours in for #24in48! I had to work today (at B&N), so that has limited my time so far, but I have all day tomorrow off! (I think) So far, I have been reading this week's section of The Parable of the Talents for #earthseedbuddyread and listening to Love and Gelato on audio, which is just as wonderful as everyone says! Oh, and I read a picture book at work

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Ingerella
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I am 1:10 into the #24in48 readathon. Next up is a catch up! I have gotten super behind on this buddy read, but I'm determined to catch up this weekend. Hopefully Lester continues to play quietly.
@24in48

BarbaraTheBibliophage I think it reads pretty quickly, so hopefully you find it easy to catch up. We miss you in the discussions! 1y
Ingerella @BarbaraTheBibliophage I did and am into the new week now! 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Ingerella It‘s so good, but so rough. Isn‘t it? 1y
Ingerella @BarbaraTheBibliophage extremely..and kind of frightening! 1y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Ingerella Yes! I started putting together my backpack of survival materials this week. Not to be paranoid, but to be more prepared. 1y
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I'm so out of the loop I didn't even realize it was a readathon weekend. I never seem to have as much time as I want to read on the weekends, but these are the 2 books I'll be trying to make the most progress with.

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1. Y‘all
2. Care-mals the candy (which I rarely eat) and salted care-a-mel the flavor (which I love)
3. Libby, Litsy, Goodreads, iBooks, CloudLibrary, RBdigital, plus PG County libraries app
4. Catching up on reading. It‘s Lauren Olamina‘s birthday and I‘m behind the pace with POTT.
5. Y‘all tag yourselves 😀
#friyayintro

BarbaraTheBibliophage It‘s Lauren‘s bday?!?! I missed that entirely! 1y
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