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I could not get into this book. I got about halfway and I was completely over it. I loved the beginning couple of chapters but after that it went downhill. As much as I wanted to love it (and I really did) I couldn‘t.

LibrarianRyan #LitsyAfterDark read it when #dicksoapgate was a thing. Most of us were like 🤷🏼‍♀️ as well. 3mo
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About to start my next read! Have no idea what it‘s going to be like because the guy at the bookstore recommended it to me! 🤭 Oh well atleast I‘ll get to enjoy a nice cuppa with Nutella banana bread 🤤 Has anyone read this? I‘d really like your thoughts about it! 😬

julesG You don't really want my thoughts about it. Trust me. What I remember is YA, masks, lots of snow, lots of trees,... Read it when #DickSoapGate was hot. One of the YA reads definitely not suited for a younger teenage audience 7mo
BethM I adore this series! But I‘m also a YA fantasy fan. 7mo
Mishu94 @julesG I literally just started reading it! 😂 I‘m on page 5! 😂😂🤦‍♂️ And I haven‘t really explored fantasy books! Like I have only read Harry Potter and the hunger games series! I would really love it if you could recommend me top notch books of this genre! 😁 7mo
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Mishu94 @BethM Oooh goody! Then you can give me a list of all the good ones you‘ve read! I really want to explore this genre more! 😁 7mo
julesG A fantasy YA series that I liked is 7mo
Mishu94 @julesG it‘s stacked! 😁 I‘ll read it once I finish this 😬 7mo
Shley9225 Oooooh some other great YA fantasy is Shadow and Bone by Leigh Bardugo, Six of Crows by Leigh Bardugo, Cinder by Marissa Meyer (this one‘s a bit sci-fi but you‘ll like it), Girls of Paper and Fire by Natasha Ngan, The Cruel Prince by Holly Black, anything by Cassandra Clare, or something by Anna-Marie McLemore. Sorry this is so long, I tried to get you some variety bc I don‘t know your tastes too well :) 7mo
Mishu94 @Shley9225 OMG! Thank you so so much for taking out the time and recommending these! 😭❤️ I‘ll check all of them out and whichever catches my attention, that shall go on my TBR 😁 7mo
bewareofwords I love this series!! I will say that I liked the second book better, so if you get to the end of this first one and it‘s just okay, it‘s worth trying the second one. :) And @Shley9225 gave a really great fantasy YA list—I also LOVED the Throne of Glass series (also by Sarah J. Maas!). 💖 7mo
Mishu94 @bewareofwords I have been reading it all day long! The story is slowly building up so let‘s see how that goes! And thank you so much, I‘ll definitely look it up! 😁 7mo
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This one was entertaining, but problematic. I don‘t feel like the character relationships were developed very well. I was frustrated by a lot of the decisions & actions of the characters. Without spoiling anything, it felt like a weird compilation of other tales (Beauty & the Beast, Hunger Games, etc.) with some cheesy descriptions & predictable plot points. I didn‘t hate it, but I‘m on the fence about reading the next one. Does it get better?

Hestapleton The second one is my absolute favorite and addresses some of the problematic stuff from the first one. The second one is CHUNKY book, but the strongest in the series. 7mo
LibrarianRyan The #LitsyAfterDark group read this after the #dicksoapgate thing. Most of us agree with you. Some toxic masculinity. Why of why are people so keen on the secondary relationship. Why does our “heroine“ allow her self to be used etc. I didn't hate it, but i didn't love it either. I may read book 2 because I do own it, but it is not priority. 7mo
Avidreader25 @Hestapleton Ok, that gives me a bit I hope. I might check it out now. 7mo
Avidreader25 @LibrarianRyan Yes! The scenes that really bothered me were the aggressive and unconsenting use of the main character. It felt unnecessary and once again sends the wrong message about what‘s OK when it comes to consent. Why is it “sexy” if a male character is forcing himself on someone? 7mo
Hestapleton @Avidreader25 @LibrarianRyan yes book 2 DEF address toxic masculinity stuff. Also, #dicksoapgate still makes me crack up lol 7mo
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A Court of Thorn and Roses is killing me dead y‘all. I can‘t handle the stress. See below for where I am if you have read it.

ErinSueMreads Rhysand just made Feyre dress up for the ball and do all the bad things and the stress is so real! I can‘t see how this won‘t go horribly horribly wrong! 12mo
julesG Check out #DickSoapGate on a reading break. Some of us had meltdowns. 12mo
StephanieP1 LOOOOOOVE THIS SERIES. Enjoy! 12mo
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ErinSueMreads #dicksoapgate is going to haunt us forever. I can‘t wait. It even inspire #toastergate @julesG (edited) 12mo
sprainedbrain @ErinSueG I can‘t wait to see more posts from you about this series! 😃 12mo
tracey38 It's sooo soooo good! 12mo
justanothermusing ❤ me some Rhysand 12mo
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OMG - overlong. Like seriously, get over yourself and get on with it. I stuck with it because there is so much love for it ... and the denouement was good ... but it wasn't worth the slog it took to get there. A blatant reminder of why I don't like fantasy.


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julesG Check out our #DickSoapGate #buddyread of this book. We had a lot of fun reading this book. If it hadn't been for the buddy read I would have bailed. 12mo
ShookBelf @julesG 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 12mo
PaperbackPirate I think this is the first negative review I‘ve read of this book! It‘s all over my IG feed. Thank you for sharing. 12mo
staci.reads Agreed. I really disliked this one and have trouble understanding the love people have for it. Even if I don't care for something, I can usually get why others would. Not this one though. 12mo
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This article was fun to recollect the literary scandals and gossip and events of the past year. I need to look up the tattoo story as it was new to me. I think the ACOTAR #dicksoapgate or Lauren Groff's By the Book interview are my favorites of the year. What stands out for you in #2018 ?


Crazeedi Interesting! 13mo
Zelma Thanks for the link. That was a good read. 13mo
CareBear Groff 😍 13mo
thebluestocking Ooh. Thanks for this. It was a good catch up. 13mo
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Ok, #LitsyAfterDark #dicksoapgate discussion is open. I feel it‘s a little Hunger Games meets snow meets a weird fairytale mix. I liked that the Fae aren‘t all sweetness & light. I‘m pretty sure if I were to continue this series Rhysand will be a problematic fav & I don‘t know how I feel about Tamlin. Katniss is a better protagonist than Feyre. If this is your kind of story Winter Song is a far superior book, imo. Could someone explain New Adult?

LibrarianRyan I find the New adult thing very problematic and unnecessary. It‘s just in most cases erotica with younger protagonists. 1y
LibrarianRyan As I read the descriptions of the next books in the series it seems Fayrah end sup with Rhysand or at least has an on going affair. And the thought of it annoys me since the point of the first books was for her to end up with Tamlin. 1y
LibrarianRyan Another thing for new adult is protagonists are usually 16-24. Fayrah is 19. But all the far are at least 400 so from just that prospective it doesn‘t fit. 1y
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jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan Ok, so NA sounds a bit icky to me. Good to know. I think I‘m not invested enough to care who she ends up with. I have the other two books so if others want to continue on I could probably do it, maybe, 🤷‍♀️. 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan I can see that. I only own book one in this series but the first four in the other series. I don‘t honestly care if I read the rest but if the group wonts to I am in. Hopefully it‘s not as slow. Or as annoying. 1y
DGRachel @jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan I only read the first Hunger Games book, and while I enjoyed it, the blurbs for the rest of the trilogy made it sound like essentially more of the same, so I never read them. Katniss was much less annoying than Feyre. I own the second book in this series, but honestly, I don‘t think I can stomach another 300-400 pages inside Feyre‘s head. 🙄 1y
LibrarianRyan @DGRachel I loved the hunger games and devoured them all but not this. Spending that much time in Fayrah head is daunting. For me I see this more as Twilight next. Not next generation but the same readers as twilight only now older. 1y
DGRachel @LibrarianRyan I read (and reread) all of the Twilight books when the last one came out. 🤫 They were a guilty pleasure, and I do mean guilty, as even when reading them I thought “these are crap, but I can‘t stop reading”. 😂 I wonder if I would have liked ACOTAR 10 years ago. 🤔 1y
LibrarianRyan @DGRachel I have seen , at least around here, the same girls Gaga for twilight are Gaga for Mass. 1y
DGRachel @LibrarianRyan I guess since I was already older when Twilight came out, my reading tastes changed significantly before I cracked open Maas. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 1y
Marilyncjackson The second book will change your feelings about the first. I couldn‘t re-read the first after the second. I can‘t say more because of spoilers. 1y
julesG @Marilyncjackson @DGRachel @LibrarianRyan I won't continue the series, even if the next book is supposed to be better. I read Hunger Games and Twilight, but wasn't gaga about it and I think I've spent enough time in Feyre's head. Yes, she's young and is allowed to make her own experiences. But I think I'm too old for the NA Lust Triangle. 1y
julesG The whole Under the Mountain part of the book is weird. First she's hot for Tamlin and wants to rescue him. There's Lucien, too. And although they don't have the hots for each other, there is sexual tension btw the two. And since two guys interested in "the mere/plain mortal" aren't enough, we have Rhysand enter. His interest in F first felt like: F is Tamlin's toy, I want what he has; I get it AND rub my victory in his face. How was that ?? 1y
julesG Supposed to work anyway. The whole R showing off F in the evenings thing didn't make sense to me, apart from having a few more pages of content to lengthen the book. It sounded like a petty playground game to me. Which makes those ancient fae more immature than humans. But I'd expect a 400 year old fae to have acquired some maturity. 1y
DGRachel @julesG YES! To all of this! Even for Fantasy there was just too much I had to suspend disbelief for to enjoy the story. 1y
LibrarianRyan @julesG @DGRachel yes! And I find that problematic. Toxic masculinity and rape culture being peddled to teenagers. I know girls 13 reading this 💩 and thinking how the fae boys act is okay!!!!! Ughhhhh. F is made into a sexual plaything. At least in a BDSM relationship power is shared. There is no sharing. Only using. And f is all hot and bothered rather than standing up for herself. It‘s like the author had to show a week side of F to make 👇🏻 1y
LibrarianRyan Strong side stand out. Week side =men‘s plaything. Strong = fighting for love. But then again I would put forth the argument that F has no strong side. No rebel size. Just ugggghhhh. I don‘t mind flawed characters but I see nothing to look up to in any of these characters. Okay I knobs if like Lucien because he never held back the truth or softened his words for Fs benefit. 1y
julesG @LibrarianRyan My thoughts precisely! What this book has shown me is that no matter how strong and independent a young woman you are (projecting to be), you still are a man's plaything and will be fought over and/or shared. That is not a message I want my children to learn. 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan @julesG @DGRachel I‘ve not read 50 Shades but I‘m wondering how much this book was influenced by that series? Also, was this book actually written with young adults or adult women in mind because I kind of think that a lot of what is being classed as potential YA is no longer being written for young adults. Maybe??? 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan @julesG If I‘m going to read a story that has these sorts of themes I‘d prefer Wintersong. It‘s a far better book and I think the protagonist doesn‘t come off as whiny. It‘s another book that I think has attracted some YA attention but I wouldn‘t say it‘s YA and I‘ve told my friends/family with pre-teens/teens that. (edited) 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan that is a very interesting question. I‘ve not read 50 shades but I bet there are quite a few people who have read both. 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan also am interesting question. The publisher has put out that the series is Older YA but since the series takes place over years..... 1y
DGRachel @jpmcwisemorgan @julesG @LibrarianRyan I have not read either 50 Shades (no plans to either) or Wintersong, but based on your notes Jamie, I might give Wintersong a shot. And I completely agree with the “men‘s plaything” not being a message we should be giving girls and women. 😡 1y
LibrarianRyan Just to clarify which Wintersong. I have this one on my shelf and have been wanting to read it for a while but just haven‘t gotten to it yet. 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @DGRachel I loved Wintersong, it definitely builds on those darker undertones that are in Labyrinth and is more along the lines of the Fae being cruel and capricious. @LibrarianRyan Yes, that‘s the Wintersong I‘m talking about. Young protagonist and it‘s darker but she still has some agency. She‘s not just a puppet but I think it would be questionable for pre-teen or early teen and the Labyrinth connection might attract younger readers. 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @DGRachel @LibrarianRyan I‘ve seen Wintersong described as Labyrinth meets 50 Shades & not having read 50 Shades I can‘t say how accurate that is but it does have some dubious consent. I think I saw that from the author so at least it‘s something that is known, which isn‘t the case with Maas‘ work. There‘s a second book to Wintersong but I‘ve not read it yet. 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan I bought it for the retelling of Labyrinth aspect. And I haven‘t read it because part of me fears it will suck and I don‘t want that. But if you liked it I‘ll move it up my TBR. And the sequel is The author has a Litsy account but doesn‘t use it. @sjaejones 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan I got it for the Labyrinth but too and there‘s definitely nods to the movie but it‘s also a fairy tale in the lines of Grimm rather than Disney. It‘s more Labyrinth through an adult‘s eyes too because, honestly, the Goblin King wanted to keep Sarah is squicky but I didn‘t really get that as a kid. Now I‘m like, oh, yeah, totally missed that as a kid. And that‘s kind of what Wintersong is, to me. 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan I‘m interested to here what you think! 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan I will totally move it to the downstairs pile and get back to you when I get it read. 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan How many piles do you have? They‘re separated by house geography? I think I‘m doing this wrong. 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan way too many. The library is upstairs but there is no heat or ac. I keep a pile on the hope chest in the living room with my anticipated TBR for the month and the ones I think I‘m ready to read. Plus new books I have not taken upstairs yet. Basically I‘m saying it‘s a giant mess😁 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @LibrarianRyan I have so many piles of books everywhere, even under my bed. You sound far more organized. 1y
LibrarianRyan @jpmcwisemorgan sure. (Please note heavy Sarcasm. ). If I get a wild hare I‘ll take pics later. If I can survive the j fermi that is the library. 1y
julesG Okay, I admit it, I've read 50 Shades. And ACOTAR has some parallels. @DGRachel @LibrarianRyan - - I might try Winters on, it's on my kindle. 🙈 1y
julesG That was supposed to be Wintersong, darn autocorrect 1y
LibrarianRyan @julesG auto correct is lovely isn‘t it. Josh and I got new phones last month and it‘s even worse on the iPhone X then it was on my 6 1y
LibrarianRyan Speaking of auto correct that was supposed to be inferno. 1y
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Ok, this is is my fellow #LitsyAfterDark readers. If you‘ve not finished up - and that includes me - nows the time to do it so we can have some additional discussion this weekend. I know some have finished so if you have some points for discussion let me know! #dicksoapgate

DGRachel I‘m curious to know, for those who enjoyed it, what you liked about it. I see so much love for this book and I hated it, so I‘m interested in what i missed. 😊 1y
LibrarianRyan Ideas for discussion. What makes this YA.? Does the #dicksoapgate make since in terms of book 1? Rhysand Friend or foe, and why does the general public readers seems to idolize him? Would you have made the choices Farrah did? What draws people to this series? 1y
julesG @LibrarianRyan @DGRachel - 👍 I don't get the hype. I'd probably categorise it as NA Fantasy. Book 2 and 3 might make it a #DickSoapGate? I don't understand what's supposed to be so good about Rhysand. Feyre made choices? I remember her whining and self-pitying and just being a mere mortal among all the High Fay. And there was snow, trees, flowers, and mud. 1y
DGRachel @julesG “Feyre made choices?” 🤣🤣🤣 1y
jpmcwisemorgan @julesG @DGRachel @LibrarianRyan All excellent discussion opportunities. 1y
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