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Twelfth Night
Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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SCENE I. An Apartment in the DUKE'S Palace. ? [Enter DUKE, CURIO, Lords; Musicians attending.] ? DUKE. If music be the food of love, play on, Give me excess of it; that, surfeiting, The appetite may sicken and so die. That strain again;it had a dying fall; O, it came o'er my ear like the sweet south, That breathes upon a bank of violets, Stealing and giving odour.Enough; no more; 'Tis not so sweet now as it was before. O spirit of love, how quick and fresh art thou! That, notwithstanding thy capacity Receiveth as the sea, nought enters there, Of what validity and pitch soever, But falls into abatement and low price Even in a minute! so full of shapes is fancy, That it alone is high fantastical.
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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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The first selection in the #Shakespeare2020Project was “Twelfth Night“ or “What You Will“. TBH, I've never cared for the Bard's comedies, but I found myself smiling on this read-through! But even better was watching the play with Mark Rylance as Olivia and Stephen Fry as Malvolio. Directed by Tim Carroll, this was literally LOL-funny! Truly a fun rom-com :-)

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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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I was planning on reading Shakespeare's tragedies this year and when I went googling for the chronological & publishing orders, I stumbled across the #Shakespeare2020Project. It's rather ambitious-- all of Shakespeare's works scheduled to be read over the course of this year! The blog is static but the 3000+ member FB group is healthy and strong! Ian Doescher is hosting this with The Folger Library

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DarcysMom
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Palimpsest I love this one! 7d
Blueberry Very nice review. 7d
DarcysMom @Blueberry Thank you! 😊 7d
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A recipe for Twelfth Night Cake from The Folger Shakespeare Library. Should I make it?
https://shakespeareandbeyond.folger.edu/2016/12/30/recipe-twelfth-night-cake/

DrexEdit I vote yes! It sounds delicious. But wow! That's a huge quantity of cake dough/batter! ?? I can see why they recommend making "two or more" smaller cakes! 2w
Tianarose @DrexEdit could also halve the recipe 2w
DrexEdit @Tianarose very true and probably the better way to go. But I don't bake often enough to get into recipes using 8 cups of flour! Might be fun to try that. The preceding words just might be my famous last words too! 😄😄 2w
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DarcysMom @DrexEdit @Tianarose If I do make it, I will definitely halve the recipe. I don't have enough people in my house to eat so much cake. 2w
Tianarose @DarcysMom @DrexEdit I find myself in a similar situation with a recipe for my grandmas butterballs, which calls for 12 cups of bread crumbs, 20 eggs, 2L milk 3 lbs of butter and a smattering of other ingredients! We would be eating butterballs for the rest of our lives! (edited) 2w
DarcysMom @Tianarose Sounds like something to serve at a party. Or give as gifts. 2w
Tianarose @DarcysMom they are a German bread crum ball similar to matzo balls. Taste delish in a bowl of chicken noodle soup! Grandma always kept them frozen. (edited) 2w
DarcysMom @Tianarose That makes much more sense than what I saw when I looked them up. Sounds like soup for a zillion to use the recipe. 🙃 2w
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I see you what you are: you are too proud; But, if you were the devil, you are #fair. My lord and master loves you. O, such love Could be but recompens'd though you were crown'd The nonpareil of beauty! #QuotsyJan20
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MrsMalaprop One of my favourites 😍. Was lucky enough to see it performed at the pop-up globe recently 👏. 2w
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Christinak
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Twins. Mistaken identities. This play made me laugh out loud.
I read this along with the Arkangel Shakespeare audio performance. I am going to have to go back a read it slower as I especially love Feste's lines. So clever and witty often having double meaning.

I now get why this is referred to as a mature comedy, there is quite a bit of bawdiness especially in his innuendos and punnery.
Great start to my year of Shakespeare.
#Shakespeare2020

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DarcysMom
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AmandaL
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My first read of the year in progress for #Shakespeare2020

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Christinak
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Starting this now - the idea of reading all of Shakespeare‘s work in one year seems ambitious but the schedule is totally doable. So. Here we go!
#Shakespeare2020
For info and resources- here is the link. https://iandoescher.com/shakespeare/introducing-shakespeare-2020/

JanuarieTimewalker13 Oh that‘s cool!! My local theatre will be doing a production of this sometime this month!! I‘ve never read this, looking forward to your review! 2w
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DarcysMom
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And... #Shakespeare2020 begins!

Christinak I like this cover. 2w
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Ian Doescher (of Shakespeare's Star Wars fame) helped develop a plan to read all of Shakespeare in 2020. It's mostly chronological but some of the plays align with the calendar (Twelfth Night on Twelfth Night, Julius Caear in mid-March, etc).
Info: https://shakespeareandbeyond.folger.edu/2019/12/06/shakespeare-2020-project-read...
Schedule: https://iandoescher.com/shakespeare/schedule/

Mandigolightly I love this! 4w
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alisonrose
Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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This is definitely a silly and fun little romp, and I think the use of a Fool in this play is better than other appearances. There‘s also some good ol‘ Shakespearean innuendo to enjoy. I admit the concluding scenes are a bit hard to follow; I had to reread the summary a few times to keep all of the misdirection straight. Definitely one I‘d want to see a performance of, in order to really get the full measure of it. 4/5 ⭐️

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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare

Foolery, sir, does walk about the orb like the sun; it shines everywhere.

[Ain‘t that the truth!]

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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare

I do I know not what, and fear to find
Mine eye too great a flatterer for my mind.
Fate, show thy force. Ourselves we do not owe.
What is decreed must be, and be this so.

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alisonrose
Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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My Shakespeare pick for this month! This is one I haven‘t read before, but I know it‘s a fun one 🎭 #nowreading

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AprilMae
Twelfe Night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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Another classic from the game 😂😂😂#gamenight

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Twelfe Night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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Saw a wonderful performance of Twelfth Night this evening at the Colorado Shakespeare Festival in Boulder with @sarahbarnes
I was worried when I learned the show was 160 mins long but I thoroughly enjoyed it. And it confirmed my suspicion that the comedies are better on stage than on the page.
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Cathythoughts Sounds really brilliant! Great pic 5mo
Ruthiella Totally agree that Shakespeare‘s plays are best when performed! I understand so much more in context that way! 5mo
jewright I made costumes for this show in college, so I watched it many times. It‘s one of my favorites. 5mo
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sarahbarnes It was so wonderful! A great performance! 😃 5mo
merelybookish @Cathythoughts Thanks Cathy! It was a beautiful night and a great show! 5mo
merelybookish @Ruthiella Yes, especially the comedies I feel. There's so much verbal sparring and innuendo that it helps to hear it and see it! 5mo
merelybookish @jewright It is a good story, although I do always feel bad for Malvolio! 5mo
merelybookish @sarahbarnes Indeed! 🎭👏♥️ 5mo
readinginthedark 💗 I love Twelfth Night in performance! 5mo
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I fell in love with Shakespeare at the Delacorte Theatre in the 88-93 performances. Lines began to form on the great lawn in the early morning. Our group brought a days picnic. While half the group stayed on line we alternated with visits to Belvedere Castle and the Metro Museum of Art. #castleonahill #wanderingjune

mabell That sounds like a wonderful way to spend the day! 😍 7mo
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EmilieGR
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Thank you Christine!!! I‘m hoping this will help with The English Wife!! Found it in my front porch this morning!! I‘ve had a terrible migraine since yesterday afternoon, 🙏🏻 it gets better so I can catch up! 😵

Discussion Sunday At 1pm CST !!! Everyone welcome!!

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Mimi28 Hope you feel better!! ❤️❤️❤️ 11mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @Mimi28 thank you ❤️ 11mo
mabell I hope you feel better! 11mo
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tracey38 I'm so sorry to hear about your migraine. They're the worst. I hope you are feeling better! 💜 11mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @mabell thank you!! ❤️ 11mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @tracey38 thank you!! ❤️ 11mo
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Graywacke
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“Look then to be well edified when the fool delivers the madman.”

A bouquet of humor charged with twins and then loaded with innuendos, practical jokes, sharp wits, clever fools, frivolous love and plot conveniences. Fun silly stuff.

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Kimberlone Malvolio and his yellow tights! 11mo
GingerAntics 🤣😂🤣 11mo
Gezemice The yellow tights are definitely scene-stealers. 11mo
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Graywacke @Kimberlone @GingerAntics @Gezemice just trying to capture the play‘s essential elements. 😊🙂 (edited) 11mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I think you got it. 😀 11mo
TheBookHippie 😂🤣😳 11mo
batsy So true, you've captured its essence! 11mo
Graywacke @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie @batsy This might be my favorite of my posts to Litsy. It just makes me smile when I see it.🙂 11mo
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Gezemice
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This is one of Shakespeare‘s most light-hearted comedies, full of mistaken identities, misdirected love, cross-dressing, drunken revelry and witty word-play. Oh, and poor Malvolio. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️/5
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JSW I love this one!! There‘s a musical version as well, using the music of Duke Ellington, called Play On! It‘s fantastic. 11mo
Lcsmcat Interesting that you find it the most light-hearted. With Malvolio not getting a happy ending I found it darker than some. 11mo
Gezemice @Lcsmcat I guess you are right. I was pretty sorry for Malvolio. But I found it very witty overall. 11mo
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Gezemice @JSW I did not know that! Sounds fantastic, thanks for the heads-up! 11mo
Lcsmcat @Gezemice It is very witty! 11mo
Verity The production in your photo - with Mark Rylance as Olivia is still the best play I‘ve ever seen I think. I love Twelfth Night and it was an amazing production. Just perfect. 11mo
Gezemice @Verity I have not had the fortune of seeing a production, but it clearly jumped out at me as tge way I would imagine it. Thanks for the info! 11mo
Verity @Gezemice there is a dvd of the revival of it... 😉 in all seriousness it works so well because the twins look so alike you really can see how Olivia could have confused them. And Rylance‘s Olivia is a work of art. Moves like she‘s on wheels. (edited) 11mo
Gezemice @Verity What is this production called? 11mo
Verity @Gezemice it‘s this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5622262/ The Globe theatre production from 2012. 11mo
Gezemice @Verity Thank you! 11mo
Verity @Gezemice you‘re welcome. Here‘s a clip, but it‘s all Olivia (and her wheels!) and no twins. https://youtu.be/RDPT2e26SgY 11mo
Gezemice @Verity I was searching around but it appears there is no way to rent this. I can only buy the DVD... 🙁 11mo
Gezemice @Verity Stephen Fry as Malvolio! Brilliant! 😂👍 11mo
Gezemice @Verity I have found it in the library and put it on hold! 11mo
Verity @Gezemice can‘t wait to hear what you think of it! 11mo
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Act 5: These are the two most visually contrasting casts I could find pictures of online; I thought it was fun to compare! Even though I wasn't happy with how some things panned out, this Act felt more like Shakespeare than the last for some reason. Maybe it's that classic Shakespearean wrap-up at the end of every comedy? Feste is tickling the dragon with Malvolio's wounded pride. I'm still not sure how I feel about Orsino.
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GingerAntics This act seemed to somehow be shorter than the last. 11mo
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batsy Indeed, a very Shakespearean ending, especially in the comedies, where everything wraps up fast and is as it should be (or as you like it? 😆) I never warmed to Orsino as a character, but anyone else get the impression that he prefers Cesario to Viola? Lots of interesting subtext there. 11mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I love the picture! And I agree @batsy this definitely is Shakespeare‘s way with the comedies. I never warmed to Orsino either, & he sure switched his tune once Olivia was married, talk about dropping any interest in her like a hot potato & immediately switched it to Viola, whom he still hasn‘t seen as a lady yet! I felt bad for Antonio, I think if Olivia got the male version of Viola, he should have ended up with the female version of Sebastian. 11mo
DeleteAcct It was a quick tidy ending! Over all I enjoyed the play. 11mo
Gezemice @batsy @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree, Orsino was never really fleshed out, we see much more of Viola, Olivia and the merry band of Sir Toby and Feste. And he switched alliances quickly... but hey, it is a Shakespearean comedy. I was sorry for poor Malvolio, what has he done? Being too earnest? I felt like Sir Andrew deserved more ridicule than Malvolio. In any case, insta-love kinda has to rule if you got only two hours... (edited) 11mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @batsy yeah, I think Orsino does have more attraction to Cesario... and has a relief when he finds out he can have him(her)... Since the female roles were played by males, you gotta wonder if this was a nod to a latent subculture at the theater. Which was obviously a huge taboo. 11mo
Gezemice @readinginthedark Great picture! Very different casts, indeed. I was looking for an adaptation but I have found ones that were set in modern times or that they were way too outdated... not how I pictured it at all. So did not end up finding one to watch... 11mo
rjsthumbelina @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I was surprised how quickly Orsino switched tunes to Viola,too,once Olivia was married.Although,he didn't really love Olivia-only ever talked about how pretty she was,so I guess that tracks. I do think that he was attracted to Cesario. @batsy @Gezemice I have to say, I didn't feel bad for Malvolio at the end. I felt like he was more trying to be better than others, so it felt just to me. I did feel bad for Sebastian 11mo
Graywacke I felt less bad about Malvolio once all is revealed and Olivia seems to be willing to forgive him - but, I mean, I wouldn‘t have wanted to be him. The RSC edition end essays (which I only read part of) note that in the early productions, Malvolio was the main interest. 11mo
Graywacke Maria and Toby? Really? 11mo
CoffeeNBooks Once you suspend your disbelief, it is a fun and comical ending with everything working out well, including Orsino saying that he admired Antonio even though Antonio did so much damage to Orsino's ships. I agree @Riveted_Reader_Melissa that Antonio should have ended up with Viola. But, perhaps since she was actually from a noble family, it wasn't possible for her to marry Antonio. 11mo
CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke I thought the same thing about Maria & Toby! 11mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CoffeeNBooks - the only issue I have with Anthonio and Viola is it undermines a gay Antonio, which I thought Shakespeare elegantly snuck in there. What does the actor for Antonio do at the end of the play? Could be interesting on stage (but easily neglected in film) (edited) 11mo
Graywacke “Look then to be well edified when the fool delivers the madman” - does Shakespeare undercut his future critics? 11mo
batsy Good point about the subculture of theater @Gezemice his comedies always feel carnival-esque for playing with themes that are taboo, yet it returns the characters back to their usual social position in the end for the "happy ending". @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know, Antonio deserves better! In my happy ending, Antonio and Sebastian are together, Viola with Olivia, and Orsino should be alone, with a mirror, which is what he loves best I think ? 11mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @batsy I still think Orsino should have fallen for Sir Andrew 🤪😂 11mo
Lcsmcat @batsy I don‘t think Viola would be happy with Olivia. She was always all about Orsino. There felt like there was a lot of subtext around sexuality in this one. I felt like Orsino might have been fighting an attraction to Cesario & was this happy she turned out to be female. 11mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I still felt bad for Malvolio. He‘s abused by everyone and doesn‘t get a happy ending. He can‘t even laugh at himself at the end like some Shakespeare characters. 11mo
Gezemice @Lcsmcat @batsy I agree, Viola is in insta-love with Orsino. She never shows any attraction to Olivia, does her best to alienate her (without success). Orsino is attracted to Cesario, maybe because he is gay, maybe because he detects that Cesario is a female, or maybe just because Cesario kind of confesses love to him. It does seem that Orsino‘s main role is to advance the plot, which is often the case with the Dukes. 11mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sir Andrew definitely gets shafted. He should have gotten some simple-minded girl. 11mo
Gezemice @Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks It is very clear why Sir Toby is attracted to Maria, but the other way around, I don‘t see it. Sir Toby is a mean drunk and Maria is way smarter. 11mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice Yep, she‘s have even been better with Andrew, except he was looking for a bride with money🙄 11mo
Lcsmcat @Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CoffeeNBooks I don‘t think there were enough female roles for a complete pairing off. Sir Andrew was so stupid that, while Maria could certainly rule him, I think she‘d get bored very quickly. 11mo
readinginthedark @batsy @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice @rjsthumbelina @CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 I agree that Orsino switching to Viola feels natural. I'm not sure if I like him as a character, but I do think he admired and was attracted to Cesario throughout the play, based on their conversations together about love. In my ideal pairings, however, Viola would be an independent, single woman, and Sebastian would be with Antonio. 11mo
readinginthedark @batsy @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice @rjsthumbelina @CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 I still have mixed feelings about both Malvolio and Sir Andrew. I think it goes beyond a prank to lock him up and bait him with a "priest," but I hated him before that and felt like he had ill intentions, so I can't feel completely bad for him. Sir Andrew is a bit of an idiot, but he didn't deserve to be taken advantage of either. ?‍♀️ 11mo
readinginthedark @Gezemice I'm sorry you couldn't find an adaptation you wanted to watch! I've never seen any of the film adaptations (yet), but I've seen a few in person that were very well done. And our community college happens to be doing a performance of this in March, so I'm hoping to make it to that! 11mo
readinginthedark @batsy @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice @rjsthumbelina @CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 The pairing of Sir Toby and Maria feels appropriate for the time period to me. She's smart, pretty, and has a sense of humor. He's older, single, and rich. It makes a lot more sense than if Malvolio had been successful in his attempt to climb the social ladder! 11mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I‘ll agree with that. I think Malvolio was abused a bit in this play, but in a way he signed up for it. I‘m kind of glad his attempt to slither up the ladder didn‘t really work out. 11mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark oh I could really see Sebastian and Antonio. That makes a lot of sense to me. I totally agree with that assessment. 11mo
Gezemice @readinginthedark I have actually found one in the library and put it on hold! 11mo
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rjsthumbelina
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I'm in love with this image I found online! Twelfth Night is one of Shakespeare's comedies, and it includes a lot of characters pretending to be someone they're not, and then people being extremely confused bc of it. There were lots of humorous parts, and a few serious parts, and more than a few parts that made me scratch my head! It's funny how enjoyable Shakespeare still is, once you get past the language
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Thank you so much for posting about this @Lcsmcat , it‘s one of those things I never knew existed and didn‘t realize I was missing from my life until now. I can‘t wait to watch more of them, so funny and witty watching them deal with the convoluted Shakespearean twists.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?438341-1/shakespeare-theatre-company-presents-twel...

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GingerAntics 💙💙💙 12mo
Lcsmcat I‘m glad you liked them! So far Macbeth is my favorite, but I‘m rationing them so I don‘t binge them all at once. 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Lcsmcat I love RBG, so I‘m pretty sure that one will be next...👍 12mo
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batsy
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A wacky, edgy trip through the absurd, labyrinthine landscape of human desire. We're all mad here, so "what you will", indeed. Cross dressing, pranks, & banter aside, Shakespeare always has a gimlet eye for the darkness underneath. "The madly used" Malvolio is a tragic figure, the outcast who will not be let in on the joke. Even in Shakespeare's comedies, or maybe especially in the comedies, you're reminded not to laugh too hard or for too long.

Tanisha_A What a review, rockstar! 🥳😎 I have read only abridged forms of Shakespeare's works. Your reviews make me want to pick them up but a lot of other books start screaming for attention midway. 😶 12mo
batsy @Tanisha_A Thank you, lovely ❤️ I know what you mean, there are always the other books calling 😆 Just fyi, for the #ChildrensClassicRead2019 in February we're reading this, if you wanna join 12mo
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readinginthedark Nice review! This play really is a madhouse. 12mo
youneverarrived Brilliant review 👌 12mo
Tanisha_A @batsy Done! I'd get myself added. Thanks love! 12mo
Bertha_Mason This book helped me realize I was queer. Memories :') 12mo
RaimeyGallant I've had a craving for Shakespeare lately. Never thought I'd say that. 12mo
readordierachel Fantastic review, and love that edition! 12mo
batsy @Bertha_Mason Art that helps us understand ourselves better 🙌🏽❤️ 12mo
RaimeyGallant @readinginthedark Editing my own book right now, so not enough brain power for Shakespeare, but thanks for the invite! I might catch up in a few months. :) 12mo
readinginthedark @RaimeyGallant 👍Any time! It will take us a while to read them all. 12mo
rohit-sawant Fantastic review! I seriously need to read more Shakespeare! 12mo
batsy @rohit-sawant Thank you! If ever the mood strikes join the #ShakespeareReadAlong :) 12mo
Centique I‘ve got this one coming up! 11mo
batsy @Centique Hope you enjoy! :) 11mo
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Welp #shakespearereadalong friends, I've come to a conclusion. I don't like reading Shakespeare's comedies. I suspected as much but Twelfth Night confirmed it. All the hijinks, jokes and plot devices annoy me. On the stage, I imagine they work and I would love to see a performance.
Also, turns out this movie is an adaptation. Anyone seen it? I'm intrigued, although based on the trailer, I suspect it's not great.
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MommyOfTwo I can‘t stand Amanda Bines so I‘ve never seen it 12mo
tournevis Yes I've seen it. It's cute, nothing more. I suggest this version instead; it's closer to the original play and the actors are obviously having fun.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117991/
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Kimberlone I love this movie! 12mo
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Kalalalatja I really liked this as a teen 👍 12mo
GingerAntics I‘ve never heard of this. Hm. 12mo
LibrarianRyan It is very much a teen movie. I liked it, but I like hose types of movies. It‘s not going to set the world on fire. 12mo
TheLudicReader Twelfth Night is one of my least favourite plays by the Bard; however, She‘s the Man is awesome-sauce. Makes me lol every time I watch it. And my kids and I have watched it A LOT. 12mo
merelybookish @MommyOfTwo I understand. I have a few of those actors 12mo
merelybookish @tournevis Thanks for the recommendation! I do like Helena Bonham Carter. 12mo
merelybookish @Kimberlone @Kalalalatja Good to hear! I was hoping it might be like 10 Things I Hate About You. 12mo
merelybookish @GingerAntics I hadn't heard of it either. Although I'm not really the target demographic, even back in 2006. 🙂 12mo
merelybookish @LibrarianRyan I like teen movies. I tend to be pretty forgiving. 12mo
merelybookish @TheLudicReader Well that's quite an endorsement! I have to watch it now! 12mo
readinginthedark I've only seen part of it, a long time ago, when I was in a stage of being judgy about teen movies. So...I feel like I should watch it again. I know a lot of people who love it! 12mo
GingerAntics Oh I wasn‘t target demographic by 2006. That makes sense. 12mo
TheBookHippie @MommyOfTwo 🤣🤣🤣🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 12mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 2006 happy to be in menopause 😂😂😂but wait I'm sorry it's not menopause you're pregnant let's see here okay I need to register you as geriatric mother ...so yah I missed this movie 😂😂🙌🏻🙌🏻🤷🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ @merelybookish I would say the comedies are some good some bad! I love all the discussion though!! 12mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie 🤣😂🤣 love they way you tell that story 12mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 🙌🏻🏆 12mo
merelybookish @TheBookHippie I was pregnant in 2006 but wasn't geriatric till my next pregnancy in 2011. What a term! Really gives one a boost of confidence. 🙄 Yes I enjoy the discussion too and I know there's usually more going on than stupid mixups.and mistaken identities. But sometimes Im too annoyed to see past them. 12mo
Bradleygirl She's the Man has SO MUCH to recommend it, not least in that it's more grounded (with fewer fools/duels) and an amazing cast. My favorite version 🤓 12mo
batsy I have the same problem as @MommyOfTwo which is why I haven't seen this one, too 😆 Also, I love the varied reactions to this play...I loved it 😁 12mo
merelybookish @Bradleygirl 👍to fewer fools & duels. 😀 12mo
merelybookish @batsy I guess I'm too old to have developed an opinion about AM. 👵 And yes, lots of reactions! The #shakespearereadlong is keeping it 🌶️🌶️ 12mo
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So it's time to bid adieu to #24in48. I managed 9 hours and a handful of minutes. Not a lot, but I
🔖finished two books
🔖made progress in Woolf's diary
🔖made progress with Twelfth Night (still behind)
🔖started a new audio book.
🍿watched Spirited Away with the kids. (That movie is amazing/crazy)
Good night readers!

erzascarletbookgasm Great job! 👍 12mo
GypsyKat Well done! 👏👏👏 12mo
zsuzsanna_reads I love Virginia Woolf's diary! 12mo
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Librarybelle Great job! 12mo
merelybookish @zsuzsanna_reads Yes! I'm enjoying it thus far. Im still on Volume 1 but hope to read them all this year. 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Act IV: aka The Shortest Shakespeare Act Ever, I think! (a non-traditional Feste pictured above)
This one was meant to be a transitional Act, as it doesn't have much to stand on its own. Sebastian (kind of a jerk), Olivia (desperate at this point), Malvolio (I feel bad for him now--no one deserves to be locked up in the dark for a prank), and Feste (who's always mixed up in everything) stood out to me. How about you?
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GingerAntics I rather liked Sebastian, although possibly because of his connection to Viola. Totally agree on Malvolio. (edited) 12mo
CoffeeNBooks I definitely felt bad for Malvolio, it was definitely uncool of Toby to do that to him. And I also felt bad for Sebastian, caught up in the confusion over who he really is. 12mo
Lcsmcat I do feel bad for Malvolio. Stephen Fry points out in an interview I saw that he‘s one of the only characters in a Shakespeare comedy who doesn‘t get a happy ending. In fact, his last line is swearing to get revenge upon them all. 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks Eh, Sebastian retaliates toward Andrew and Toby a bit more than the situation required, I thought. Then he chews Feste out for thinking he's someone else. And then he just agrees to marry Olivia when she falls all over him and rushes into things. And none of this tips him off that something's going on beyond being "in a dream?" I wanted to like him for Viola's sake but just couldn't. ?‍♀️ 12mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat Ooh, sequel material! 😏 12mo
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat @readinginthedark oh that would be a great sequel. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark @CoffeeNBooks I think Sebastian was acting out because he couldn‘t figure out where Antonio was and had no clue what was going on. He felt totally disoriented, so he was acting weird. At least that‘s how I read it. I‘m going to watch the annulment case tomorrow morning when I would normally be finishing the play, so it‘ll be interesting to see what decision they all come to. 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics You‘re right, that‘s a great time to listen to that case. I need to plan some time for that too! 12mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I feel like the case is required for a proper reading of this play now. 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics Yes... I‘m sure there is a good case to be made about Sebastian marrying under false pretenses...basically as far as Olivia is concerned he was impersonating Viola. But then again, maybe if you fall in love at first sight you don‘t care anything for their insides as long as the outsides look the same. 😱🙄 12mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa at the same time, who she thought she was marrying was actually a woman, so she‘s probably not going to want to make too much of that. 12mo
batsy @Lcsmcat I agree. I've finished the play and I think the Malvolio aspect is the dark undercurrent of the play. Also, the fact that he gets put in his place & humiliated is an interesting one because he's trying to cross the lines of class. And is punished for it. 12mo
Lcsmcat @batsy Good point! Usually when Shakespeare‘s characters successfully cross class lines it turns out they were royal all along, like in A Winter‘s Tale, or Cymbeline. 12mo
Graywacke Blech, I‘m sick, was too sick to post yesterday, but did manage to read the 8 pages in my copy. @readinginthedark @CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sebastian would have the best answer to, “so how was your day today?” 12mo
Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks @Lcsmcat @readinginthedark @GingerAntics @batsy on Malvolio, great point on classes, it‘s the work of a writer from a society of rigid classes??. Also, I have the sense Shakespeare is doing humor every which way in this play, including some cruel humor. I‘m guessing audiences loved it. 12mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke oh Elizabethan England was definitely a society of rigid classes. He just wants to be accepted, but that just isn‘t really an option for the time, sadly. 12mo
merelybookish Finally finished and I think Ive concluded that I don't really like Shakespeare comedies. 😬 Every time we read one, I struggle to get through it. I expect seeing them on stage would work better for me. Reading it, it just feels contrived and annoys me. So this was a big meh for me. 12mo
merelybookish Apparently She's the Man starring Amanda Bynes is an adaptation of this play. Anyone seen it? 12mo
CoffeeNBooks @merelybookish Contrived is a very good word to describe this! I was having a hard time coming up with a way to explain how I felt about this play the first time I read it, and how I feel reading it a second time. I agree, much of it feels contrived. 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I still need to watch it! I'm interested to see what it adds to Sebastian's part of this play. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I don‘t know about @Riveted_Reader_Melissa but I think I learned more about Olivia than Sebastian. lol 12mo
readinginthedark @batsy @Lcsmcat @Graywacke @GingerAntics Fascinating point about the social classes! I think this works for a few of Shakespeare's heroes but no one else. Malvolio really goes about it the wrong way, although I will say I don't think he just wants to be accepted. He wants to be in a station above others, where he can have fine things and order people around. I only really feel bad for him because of the dark room part, not the pranking in general. 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics That makes sense. I meant more that it pertains to the sections of the play with him, but her suit would naturally reveal a lot about her. 😆 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I‘ll agree with you on that point. The dark room part was pretty bad. I actually felt bad for him at that point. You‘re probably right about the wanting to be over people. I wasn‘t quite sure how to put it. “Accepted” is woefully inadequate. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark you do learn some great things about him. Amazingly, she‘s the one wanting the annulment and he‘s trying to hold on to the marriage. It‘s pretty good. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. 12mo
readinginthedark @Graywacke That is interesting! Shakespeare doesn't use cruel humor very often, since his comedies are so often focused more on love. Maybe he saw an opportunity here, in all these mixed lies? 12mo
readinginthedark @merelybookish @CoffeeNBooks You can get a pretty good feel for the comedies in performance from the movies, but usually the more faithful ones rather than the adaptations. I haven't seen She's the Man for a long time; guess I need to watch it again and see what I think. I will say that I think a true appreciation of the comedies requires some...suspension of disbelief? Or maybe just suspension of modern values? 😅 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @merelybookish Contrived! Yep, that‘s it...perfectly sums them up...and I‘m definitely noticing some common tropes he reuses often in them too. 12mo
batsy @Graywacke That's a great point. Something I've learned from Will is there is always a fine line between haha and cruel humour (depending on who's the butt of the joke and how and why). 12mo
rjsthumbelina @readinginthedark @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I wanted to like Sebastian, but he seemed a little dull to me. How could he not have realized, at least a little bit, what was going on? And then you agree to marry a total stranger? Nope, couldn't do it. Clearly Viola is smarter 😉 12mo
rjsthumbelina @Graywacke @batsy @GingerAntics that's a very interesting point about Malvolio trying to marry above his station! I think it's definitely true that he had a goal of becoming better than the others - and I agree that he was locked in a dark house bc of it. I'm sure that Shakespeare's audience would have loved to see him end up that way after a power grab 12mo
GingerAntics @rjsthumbelina oh, Viola is definitely the smarter twin. 12mo
CoffeeNBooks @rjsthumbelina Yeah, I wondered why Sebastian couldn't put all the clues together to figure out that something was up, lol! 12mo
readinginthedark @rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks At this point, I feel like he realized something was up but didn't feel like it was worth corrupting 'cause he was getting so much out of it. But my viewpoint may have been tainted by the CSPAN trial. 😆 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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I promised myself I would do something productive today, so I'm sorting and washing baby clothes. Listening to the Naxos audio version of Twelfth Night while I work. There aren't as many versions of this to compare as some of the others we've read; I was surprised!
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GingerAntics It seems like it would be a fun play to do. I can‘t believe there wouldn‘t be as many of this one. At least you got some good stuff done today. 12mo
GingerAntics Love the cute little “Read” onesie!!! 12mo
Bookzombie That onesie is adorable! 12mo
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Lcsmcat I found it difficult to find an online production to watch, too. Which is how I ended up finding the Mock Trial I posted last night. 12mo
cathysaid I have the adult version of that onesie. Love it 💕 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat I believe it is one of the more frequently performed plays, so that's why I was surprised! There may be a lot of versions available, though; I'm only going by what I found on Overdrive and Hoopla. Maybe there just aren't as many cheap or free versions? 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Bookzombie @cathysaid Right?! A friend gave it to me last week, and I think it's my favorite baby clothing gift so far. My mom gave me a really adorable penguin coverall, too, so there's some stiff competition! 💗 12mo
GingerAntics Oh a little baby penguin for this cool winter weather. That‘s so cute!!! 12mo
GingerAntics I thought this was a more popular play to perform. Maybe because of its popularity people know they can get away with charging fees after the fact. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics That's what I'm thinking. Or maybe it's all smaller productions and they're not making recordings? 12mo
GingerAntics True. Only the bigger productions are going to be recorded. The bigger companies are more likely to have a focus on all of Shakespeare or an even wider focus than that, so they are less likely to do it as often. 12mo
GingerAntics The RSC has done more than 12 productions of it since 1960. I am also enjoying the number of photos include a liquor bottle in someone‘s hand. I think they may be cool with the idea of Toby being a drunk. lol https://www.rsc.org.uk/twelfth-night/past-productions I would imagine not all (very few?) have been recorded in some way other than photos. 12mo
Lcsmcat There are clips from the Broadway production with Stephen Fry as Malvolio that make me wish I could time travel and go see it! 12mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat He would be a great Malvolio! 😯 12mo
Lcsmcat @readinginthedark He was excellent! 12mo
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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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OMG #shakespearereadalong buddies! You‘ve got to watch this! Real judges and attorneys doing a mock trial based on Twelfth Night, with the question, should Olivia and Sebastian‘s marriage be annulled. It‘s hilarious! Especially the attorney for Olivia (who wants the annulment.) Full of pop culture references, including Hamilton. It‘s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?438341-1/shakespeare-theatre-company-presents-twel....

GingerAntics Oh wow, sweet!!! I‘m going to have to check this out. 12mo
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics It is worth the investment of time! Especially if you know anything about legal procedure and attorneys. 12mo
GingerAntics I don‘t really, but it still sounds fun. 12mo
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Ericalambbrown OMG!!! This looks amazing! 12mo
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I can‘t wait to get your reactions to it! 12mo
Graywacke Not sure I‘ll get through the whole thing, but the first ten minutes were good fun. Thanks for highlighting! 12mo
batsy Thank you for sharing! Look forward to checking it out. 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh! I can‘t wait until I get home to check it out! 12mo
readinginthedark Oh, how fun! I'll have to watch this tonight! 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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#ShakespeareReadAlong I read ahead! Maybe it's just the wrong time but I'm beginning to think that aside from the tragedies (which I love!) Shakespeare's not for me. I realise it's an utterly ludicrous thing to say but I simply feel there's too much drama for its own sake. Contrived. More than once a character's motivation for acting seemed to be solely to move the plot forward. That riles me! I'd still like to join in the next read along, though.

readinginthedark The tragedies are definitely stronger! And I know what you mean--I never realized how much more I enjoy the comedies in performance than in reading until we started reading them for this. I think we're going to read a history next! 12mo
kathedron @readinginthedark I look forward to it: I've not read any of the histories yet. 12mo
Lcsmcat Well, I think you have to realize that they were written to be seen on stage. So if the farce works onstage but not on the page, it still works as it was intended to. (That doesn‘t mean I think you should keep reading them if you don‘t enjoy them.) 12mo
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merelybookish I have come to the same conclusion about the comedies. I just don't like reading them. I can imagine they are fun to see staged, but on the page, all the conceits annoy me! 12mo
kathedron @Lcsmcat @merelybookish Precisely! I studied Aristophanes years ago and while there were amusing bits on the page, on the stage it was uproarious. I wonder why it is that for comedy "ah, you should have been there" but tragedy is easier to feel one's way into (for me at least): is it that comedy is inherently a more social experience? 12mo
merelybookish @kathedron I don't know! But I agree. I can easily be swept up in deep emotion in the tragedies, even when it is sudden or inexplicable. I wonder if it's because comedy is often physical. So much about what makes it funny is the tone of voice, gesture, or facial expression? 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Caught up tonight with my Act for the #ShakespeareReadAlong and then just had to continue on to see how he wrapped it all up. Typical for his comedies, there‘s a lot of foolery, drink, and song....but also mistaken identity, identical twins, and some very clever dialogue.

sixgun I was just reading about this, and "that Scottish play" today. I guess I need to add it to the list. 12mo
Emilymdxn I LOVE twelfth night - I was gonna call it one of the more absurd comedies then I thought... which ones aren‘t absurd lol 12mo
batsy This has become one of my faves! 💜 And that is so true @Emilymdxn , he is the master of absurdism. 12mo
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GingerAntics I‘m still pretty sure Toby‘s been drinking since Act I. Isn‘t he passed out YET?! 😵 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics No...he is definitely a functioning alcoholic! 12mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa 🤣😂🤣 that actually makes more sense. Clearly he didn‘t have his first drink in Act I. Hell, he was probably drunk before the play even started. Good point. No idea how I missed that. 12mo
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Act 3: And the case of mistaken identity begins in earnest! Poor Antonio! I'm not completely sure why he went looking for Sebastian when he said he'd wait at the inn, but whatever. I still feel bad for him. That last scene also shows us an interesting contrast in Sir Toby's character, I think. When an actual challenge presents itself, he rises to the occasion. And he really dislikes Viola for denying assistance to Antonio. 🤔
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GingerAntics Antonio being arrested really bugged me. He was so adamant that he needed to lay low, and then he just doesn‘t? Then he genuinely thinks Viola is Sebastian and that he‘s abandoning him. I felt so bad for him at the end there. Poor guy. 12mo
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readinginthedark @GingerAntics I know! I'm not sure why he's so anxious to go back out looking for Sebastian, like he's a child who needs supervision and can't avoid trouble? 12mo
GingerAntics I don‘t know. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I really felt for him feeling betrayed and even kind of abandoned by Sebastian. This is the frustrating part of Shakespeare‘s twin plays. 12mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics oh I felt bad too!! I get it, because I seldom behave or sit idle but still!!!!! Oye. Just bad all around NO NO NO. Poor misguided soul. (edited) 12mo
CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @readinginthedark I agree! But, perhaps his feelings for Sebastian were so strong that he just couldn't sit still and wait for him- he wanted to make sure he was ok. I felt bad for him, though. Hopefully as Viola starts to figure it all out, she'll try to make it right. 12mo
TheBookHippie @CoffeeNBooks I think his intentions were pure. Betrayal is hard. This is when I'd love for Shakespeare to be at an author talk @GingerAntics so we can question his writing 🤣🤷🏽‍♀️ 12mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie right? That would be so awesome for so many reasons. 12mo
GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I completely agree. He wasn‘t out looking for mischief or adventure, he just needed to know Sebastian was okay. Poor guy. He seems like a sweet, loyal kind of guy. Things generally all get sorted out in Shakespeare‘s comedies. (edited) 12mo
rjsthumbelina @readinginthedark @CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I agree that it was sad watching Antonio think that he was being betrayed by Sebastian. It was also sad to see Viola hear someone talk about her brother,who she thinks is dead. I do wonder what Antonio's motivation for going to find Sebastian was. On a different note, I almost doubt that Toby was being honest in wanting to go after Viola. I kind of think it is still all for his enjoyment 12mo
GingerAntics @rjsthumbelina I agree that Toby‘s actions are still entirely self serving. I don‘t think Toby has suddenly stopped being an obnoxious jerk and is going to help out some guy he doesn‘t even know. He wants something out of the deal. 12mo
Graywacke A comedy of errors. But I didn‘t understand why Antonio was in such danger. What did he do? 12mo
Graywacke Been thinking about this line spoken by Olivia to Viola: “But reason thus with reason fetter” 12mo
Lcsmcat @CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @readinginthedark @thebookhippie Do we know Antonio made it to the end and then left it? What if he was on his way to the Inn, heard the commotion, saw swords drawn against someone he thinks to be Sebastian? He couldn‘t not help him, no matter the risk to himself. (edited) 12mo
CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke He'd been involved in a battle with Orsino's ships, and although most of what they'd stolen from Orsino's ships was returned, Antonio had refused to give back what he'd stolen. So when the police saw him, they arrested him. 12mo
Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks thank you! Couldn‘t pick it up 12mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat I think he said something about coming to look for Sebastian...let me see...line 317: "This comes with seeking you." 12mo
Lcsmcat @readinginthedark Hmm. OK. I still think the street commotion has something to do with it. But it could just be that Will needed it to happen for the plot. 12mo
readinginthedark @rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics Oh, I definitely agree that Toby isn't a gentleman all of a sudden, but I feel like we saw the line where he takes action for his own honor or his friends'. I saw this more in his response to Antonio's initial challenge than in his claim of Viola as a coward and chase after her. When Antonio first draws a sword and says he'll defend "Sebastian," Toby responds in kind rather than pushing Sir Andrew forward to fight. 12mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat Oh, I definitely think that's what drew him to the scene--I just meant as far as whether or not he'd been to the inn. I guess I'm assuming he went and set up everything for their meal, and when Sebastian didn't come by the time he expected, Antonio got worried and went looking for him. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I will give you that. He did step up and take the challenge himself instead of finding someone else to do it for him. 12mo
batsy @Graywacke That's fruit for thought indeed. There are so many beautiful lines to think about in this Act. Viola: "They that dally nicely with words may quickly make them wanton". And Feste replies, "words are very rascals since bonds disgraced them". Viola goes on to acknowledge the intellectual labour of the stock comic fool—"This is a practice as full of labor as a wise man's art". So delightful. 12mo
batsy I liked that in the whole set up of duelling for honour, which was largely constructed by Sir Toby for his own enjoyment, when Viola-as-Cesario is told by Sir Toby why she has to fight—"for meddle you must"—she replies, "This is as uncivil as strange". I think is an apt summary of the so-called "codes" of masculinity! 12mo
Graywacke @batsy i enjoyed Viola‘s back and forth with Feste. Good stuff, good quotes. 12mo
readinginthedark @batsy @Graywacke Viola, Olivia, and Feste seem to have the best lines of wisdom! 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa A day behind here, but yep I agree with everyone above...I felt even worse for Antonio at the end of this act than I felt for Malvolio at the end of the last one! I know Shakespeare wraps these things up fairly nicely, so I‘m guessing our girl love Viola/Olivia and our guys Antonio/Sebastian need to exchange twins, but he‘s kind of set Viola up with Orsino...so can we send him off with Toby or better yet Sir Andrew? (edited) 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa And I don‘t have a Feste in my version, so I‘m guessing he‘s just the Clown in my version? 12mo
readinginthedark @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I don't want to ruin anything, so I won't comment on the end result of the love matches yet, but it would have been awesome if Shakespeare could've paired Antonio and Sebastian! He doesn't ever do that in his plays even subtly, since the hero always "gets the girl" in the comedies. ?‍♀️ Also, Feste is Olivia's clown, so you must be right. Interesting that he belongs with Olivia's crew, too, since Orsino is the Count. ? 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @readinginthedark I figured, because I had the same problem with the last clown 😂 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @readinginthedark That‘s ok, I had to know so I finished it last night. 😉🤫🤭 12mo
readinginthedark @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Most of the jesters are pretty similar from play to play anyway! Although the one in As You Like It was also a bit of a player. 😆 12mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Orsino and Sir Andrew would make a really nice pair. 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Graywacke Right! They both are equally bad at taking a Lady‘s no for a no, and Duke Orsino has enough money to solve Sir Andrew‘s problems, plus Andrew‘s antics would be like having another fool around. 12mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa well, he is, of course, the real fool. Feste (Clown) is pretty sharp. 12mo
readinginthedark @Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, I love Feste! The clowns and best friends are often the best characters in Shakespeare, I think. 12mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @readinginthedark I fully agree there, sad that that old cliche of the cool best friend who‘s always the bridesmaid and never the bride was always true.🤷‍♀️ 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Act 2! Enter: Sebastian. Briefly. The first scene struck me as so odd, especially Antonio's obsessive devotion. I'm a little curious what Sebastian did to earn that kind of dedication. And I was not a big fan of Duke Orsino in this Act. He says a lot about men not loving as long as women, but supposedly they're capable of much stronger love? 🙄 And then he dismisses Viola's argument completely. How did you feel about Act 2?
#ShakespeareReadalong

Lcsmcat I can believe Antonio‘s devotion to Sebastian sooner than Viola‘s to Orsino! But I love the feeling that she‘s putting one over in him. 12mo
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readinginthedark @Lcsmcat Good point! I guess it just stuck out to me, because Sebastian is saying, "Seriously, don't follow me," and Antonio is saying, "Even though I'm putting my life in danger and you don't even want me to come, I'll follow you everywhere." ? There's a lot of disregard for other people's feelings in this play. 12mo
DeleteAcct @Lcsmcat I agree. I'm beginning to think Orsino is a total tool. 😆 I enjoyed the plot against Malvolio. It had me laughing. 🤗 12mo
Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 Me too! And Andrew with all of his “Me too!” whining. (edited) 12mo
GingerAntics I love the bit about Sebastian positive Viola is dead...meanwhile, on another island, Viola is positive Sebastian is dead. I love this particular theme in Shakespeare. He does a lot with twins (probably because he had a set) and them being separated (again, probably because one of his died). It‘s always fun how he handles it, and it‘s also a look inside of his mind a little bit. 12mo
GingerAntics @Rachbb3 @Lcsmcat Andrew did seem to turn on the whine in this act. I also got the impressions they‘d been drinking with all of the seemingly random singing. lol 12mo
Graywacke Two main thoughts: Malvolio - cruel (ok, and funny) And, goodness, the insistence in women as the the weaker sex. Glad Viola said something. Fun overall, especially Viola‘s conversation with Orsino. 12mo
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics Do Toby and Andrew ever STOP drinking? 12mo
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat I‘m wondering that myself. It seems like “curtain up” means “bottoms up” to them. I think they‘ve been drinking since the beginning of the play. No wonder they now think they‘re in a musical. 12mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke I noticed that. They have no idea a woman is in the room, and yet she still stands up and tries to set them straight. I really love Viola. She might be my favourite character of the whole play. 12mo
BookishBelle @GingerAntics I really like Viola too. Hopefully she doesn‘t end up with Orsino. What a cad! 12mo
BookishBelle Overall, I liked this Act better than the first. I was a little confused by Antonio‘s devotion to Sebastian but I thought I‘d just go with it. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I think what they did to Malvolio was mean not only to him but also to Olivia. It was really funny though so what are you going to do? Plus it kept the drunk guys busy for awhile... 12mo
GingerAntics @BookishBelle oh god I hope they don‘t end up together either. That would be horrible. Orsino is an absolute pill. I can‘t imagine why anyone would want to be with him. 🤦🏼‍♀️ Keeping the drunk guys entertained so they don‘t do anything too stupid or dangerous is always good. I got the impression that Olivia is in on the joke, though. I think they were taking the mickey out of Malvolio. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark love this image for this play. It‘s the whole play (as we know it so far) in a single image. So much is going on in this image, even though it seems really simple at first glance. 💙💙💙 12mo
Graywacke @BookishBelle @GingerAntics no clue why Viola fell in the love with Orsino. Maybe he‘s a hunk with dough, but he‘s an idiot and she‘s brilliant. 12mo
Graywacke @readinginthedark @Lcsmcat @BookishBelle With all this gender play, I just assumed Antonio was gay and in love with Sebastian (I‘m guessing Shakespeare couldn‘t say so openly) 12mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke That‘s an interesting thought. I just thought he was the “devoted servant” trope. 12mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke Maybe Viola thinks Orsino is stupid enough that she can control him. 😀 12mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke @Lcsmcat I was just thinking that. If she‘s smarter and he‘s an idiot, then she can sort of act as his puppeteer and get things done. 12mo
Graywacke @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat adds a layer to what she‘s doing 12mo
readinginthedark @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @BookishBelle I kind of figured Shakespeare was doing one of those two things with Antonio, as well--either the secret love or the devoted servant (kind of like the really old, devoted servant to Orlando in As You Like It). 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @BookishBelle @Rachbb3 Viola is a serious badass. She risks exposing herself completely when she argues against Orsino's stupid ideas. But he seems to listen to her a little bit...maybe she could run the court a bit more reasonably if they did end up together? Also, I would feel bad for Malvolio being pranked if he hadn't said some really selfish and thoughtless things in his musings before he found the letter. 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics Isn't that illustration perfect? It's on the Pelican version I'm reading right now, and I just had to attach it to this post. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I really felt in on the joke and I was really excited when they did it. I‘m not going to lie. lol I feel like the female characters are a bit smarter and more logical than the male characters in this play. I rather like that. 12mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark oh the Pelican editions have great art work. They tend to be this way. You take a quick look and they seem quite simple, then you really look and it‘s the whole play in a single image. Brilliant. 12mo
CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics I definitely agree that the female characters seem to be smarter and more logical than the male characters. I like both Viola and Olivia a lot. 12mo
CoffeeNBooks I think you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit in order to appreciate the comedy Shakespeare intended this to be. That frustrated me quite a bit the first time I read this play, but the second time around I feel like I'm more prepared for that. 12mo
GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks Olivia is a great character, too. I‘d definitely put her in the favourite characters list. 12mo
GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I‘ve read this play before, but I don‘t remember ANY of this!!! It‘s kind of driving me crazy. I‘m really enjoying it, though. 12mo
merelybookish Again, not much to add. Most of my thoughts have been expressed well already. Viola is the best and her attraction to Orsinio is a mystery! Sir Andrew is delightfully stupid, I almost feel a bit bad for him. 12mo
batsy Sorry for the late comments; time zone difference. ? Agree with a lot here. I feel so bad for Malvolio but I'm also enjoying the plot against him! Maria is a terrifying, fascinating mean girl. And "delightfully stupid" is the perfect way to describe Sir Andrew @merelybookish. I too did wonder if there are layers to Antonio's "service" to Sebastian; if it does seem like an intense friendship. 12mo
batsy I love that the "achieve greatness" line is used as a motivational platitude in our times but that it was a satiric dig at Malvolio in the play. I'm beginning to realise that a lot of contemporary “inspirational quotes“ from Shakespeare take on a very different hue when read in the context of the plays! 12mo
Graywacke @batsy Maria is terrifying. Good description. She might be my favorite character. And I‘m constantly fascinated at the lines here that I recognize and their context. (There must be a book...books....on lines pulled from Shakespeare) 12mo
rjsthumbelina I‘m about to add several late comments- I am just catching up on this one! @merelybookish @Graywacke I agree that I‘m not sure why Viola would fall for the duke. Only reason I can think of is that she is swooning over the nice things he says about Olivia. And I thought that Antonio was in love with Sebastian too - it just fits with this plot 12mo
rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat I for some reason can‘t bring myself to believe that Viola would be interested in him for money or power. Not that she isn‘t capable of scheming, since she clearly is. Maybe she seems too genuine to me? @readinginthedark I think I‘m for sure in the minority here, but I do feel bad for Malvolio! But maybe that‘s bc I can‘t stand the Toby/Andrew duo. 12mo
rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I totally agree that women are more logical and more intelligent than the men here, overall. But it does seem like Viola is setting herself up for a big fall... @batsy and @Graywacke I was also really thrown by the “achieve greatness” quote being in that context! So different from the way we use it now. And you guys hit the nail on the head with why I don‘t like Maria - mean girl is a perfect descriptor! 12mo
rjsthumbelina @readinginthedark I‘m going to try to be much more punctual next discussion! Sorry! 12mo
GingerAntics @rjsthumbelina yeah, she does seem too genuine for that. I‘m not sure at all why Viola likes him. I agree on the Toby/Andrew duo. Mean girl is a great way to describe Maria. I want to comment on Viola, but I just finished the next act today and don‘t want to spoil anything, so I‘m going to keep my mouth shut. 12mo
readinginthedark @rjsthumbelina No worries! I've had trouble keeping up on the last two, so I understand. Whenever you get to them is fine. 😉 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @merelybookish @CoffeeNBooks @batsy @rjsthumbelina @Graywacke I agree--there has to be some suspension of disbelief in all of Shakespeare's comedies. There are too many confusing antics and ridiculous situations for it not to be frustrating otherwise. Sir Andrew reminds me of those kids in school who want to be cool so badly that they do stupid things. You want to like them because they're really nice, but they're just so frustrating 12mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @merelybookish @CoffeeNBooks @batsy @rjsthumbelina @Graywacke Anything taken out of context can cause wild misunderstandings, I think, but I do agree that it seems to happen even more often with Shakespeare than other authors. So interesting that Maria is becoming the mean girl here! I think this is why I always take issue with people who play really involved pranks. It always goes too far eventually. 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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I‘m loving all the riddling going on with Viola in this Act. #shakespearereadalong

batsy I love this quote! 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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“Journeys end in lovers meeting”

Enlightenment moment: that‘s what was quoted in the Haunting of Hill House, a silly song by the fool to make two alcoholic idiots happy? !! 🙂 Shirley Jackson was brilliant.

#twelfthnight #shakespearereadalong

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I love finding book connections as I‘m reading! 12mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yes! Part of the fun of reading these classics. 🙂 12mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Time to catch up with the #ShakespeareReadAlong here I come Act I!

Lynnsoprano Saw this play at Orlando Shakespeare Theatre. One of my favorites. 12mo
tdrosebud This is such a fun read. 12mo
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