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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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alisonrose
Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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This is definitely a silly and fun little romp, and I think the use of a Fool in this play is better than other appearances. There‘s also some good ol‘ Shakespearean innuendo to enjoy. I admit the concluding scenes are a bit hard to follow; I had to reread the summary a few times to keep all of the misdirection straight. Definitely one I‘d want to see a performance of, in order to really get the full measure of it. 4/5 ⭐️

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alisonrose
Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare

Foolery, sir, does walk about the orb like the sun; it shines everywhere.

[Ain‘t that the truth!]

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alisonrose
Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare

I do I know not what, and fear to find
Mine eye too great a flatterer for my mind.
Fate, show thy force. Ourselves we do not owe.
What is decreed must be, and be this so.

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alisonrose
Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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My Shakespeare pick for this month! This is one I haven‘t read before, but I know it‘s a fun one 🎭 #nowreading

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AprilMae
Twelfe Night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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Another classic from the game 😂😂😂#gamenight

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merelybookish
Twelfe Night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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Saw a wonderful performance of Twelfth Night this evening at the Colorado Shakespeare Festival in Boulder with @sarahbarnes
I was worried when I learned the show was 160 mins long but I thoroughly enjoyed it. And it confirmed my suspicion that the comedies are better on stage than on the page.
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Cathythoughts Sounds really brilliant! Great pic 3mo
Ruthiella Totally agree that Shakespeare‘s plays are best when performed! I understand so much more in context that way! 3mo
jewright I made costumes for this show in college, so I watched it many times. It‘s one of my favorites. 3mo
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sarahbarnes It was so wonderful! A great performance! 😃 3mo
merelybookish @Cathythoughts Thanks Cathy! It was a beautiful night and a great show! 3mo
merelybookish @Ruthiella Yes, especially the comedies I feel. There's so much verbal sparring and innuendo that it helps to hear it and see it! 3mo
merelybookish @jewright It is a good story, although I do always feel bad for Malvolio! 3mo
merelybookish @sarahbarnes Indeed! 🎭👏♥️ 3mo
readinginthedark 💗 I love Twelfth Night in performance! 3mo
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Chrissyreadit
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I fell in love with Shakespeare at the Delacorte Theatre in the 88-93 performances. Lines began to form on the great lawn in the early morning. Our group brought a days picnic. While half the group stayed on line we alternated with visits to Belvedere Castle and the Metro Museum of Art. #castleonahill #wanderingjune

mabell That sounds like a wonderful way to spend the day! 😍 5mo
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EmilieGR
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Mehso-so

Not my favorite

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Lcsmcat
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Thank you Christine!!! I‘m hoping this will help with The English Wife!! Found it in my front porch this morning!! I‘ve had a terrible migraine since yesterday afternoon, 🙏🏻 it gets better so I can catch up! 😵

Discussion Sunday At 1pm CST !!! Everyone welcome!!

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Mimi28 Hope you feel better!! ❤️❤️❤️ 9mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @Mimi28 thank you ❤️ 9mo
mabell I hope you feel better! 9mo
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tracey38 I'm so sorry to hear about your migraine. They're the worst. I hope you are feeling better! 💜 9mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @mabell thank you!! ❤️ 9mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @tracey38 thank you!! ❤️ 9mo
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Graywacke
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“Look then to be well edified when the fool delivers the madman.”

A bouquet of humor charged with twins and then loaded with innuendos, practical jokes, sharp wits, clever fools, frivolous love and plot conveniences. Fun silly stuff.

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Kimberlone Malvolio and his yellow tights! 9mo
GingerAntics 🤣😂🤣 9mo
Gezemice The yellow tights are definitely scene-stealers. 9mo
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Graywacke @Kimberlone @GingerAntics @Gezemice just trying to capture the play‘s essential elements. 😊🙂 (edited) 9mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I think you got it. 😀 9mo
TheBookHippie 😂🤣😳 9mo
batsy So true, you've captured its essence! 9mo
Graywacke @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie @batsy This might be my favorite of my posts to Litsy. It just makes me smile when I see it.🙂 9mo
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Gezemice
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This is one of Shakespeare‘s most light-hearted comedies, full of mistaken identities, misdirected love, cross-dressing, drunken revelry and witty word-play. Oh, and poor Malvolio. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️/5
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JSW I love this one!! There‘s a musical version as well, using the music of Duke Ellington, called Play On! It‘s fantastic. 9mo
Lcsmcat Interesting that you find it the most light-hearted. With Malvolio not getting a happy ending I found it darker than some. 9mo
Gezemice @Lcsmcat I guess you are right. I was pretty sorry for Malvolio. But I found it very witty overall. 9mo
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Gezemice @JSW I did not know that! Sounds fantastic, thanks for the heads-up! 9mo
Lcsmcat @Gezemice It is very witty! 9mo
Verity The production in your photo - with Mark Rylance as Olivia is still the best play I‘ve ever seen I think. I love Twelfth Night and it was an amazing production. Just perfect. 9mo
Gezemice @Verity I have not had the fortune of seeing a production, but it clearly jumped out at me as tge way I would imagine it. Thanks for the info! 9mo
Verity @Gezemice there is a dvd of the revival of it... 😉 in all seriousness it works so well because the twins look so alike you really can see how Olivia could have confused them. And Rylance‘s Olivia is a work of art. Moves like she‘s on wheels. (edited) 9mo
Gezemice @Verity What is this production called? 9mo
Verity @Gezemice it‘s this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5622262/ The Globe theatre production from 2012. 9mo
Gezemice @Verity Thank you! 9mo
Verity @Gezemice you‘re welcome. Here‘s a clip, but it‘s all Olivia (and her wheels!) and no twins. https://youtu.be/RDPT2e26SgY 9mo
Gezemice @Verity I was searching around but it appears there is no way to rent this. I can only buy the DVD... 🙁 9mo
Gezemice @Verity Stephen Fry as Malvolio! Brilliant! 😂👍 9mo
Gezemice @Verity I have found it in the library and put it on hold! 9mo
Verity @Gezemice can‘t wait to hear what you think of it! 9mo
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readinginthedark
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Act 5: These are the two most visually contrasting casts I could find pictures of online; I thought it was fun to compare! Even though I wasn't happy with how some things panned out, this Act felt more like Shakespeare than the last for some reason. Maybe it's that classic Shakespearean wrap-up at the end of every comedy? Feste is tickling the dragon with Malvolio's wounded pride. I'm still not sure how I feel about Orsino.
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GingerAntics This act seemed to somehow be shorter than the last. 9mo
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batsy Indeed, a very Shakespearean ending, especially in the comedies, where everything wraps up fast and is as it should be (or as you like it? 😆) I never warmed to Orsino as a character, but anyone else get the impression that he prefers Cesario to Viola? Lots of interesting subtext there. 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I love the picture! And I agree @batsy this definitely is Shakespeare‘s way with the comedies. I never warmed to Orsino either, & he sure switched his tune once Olivia was married, talk about dropping any interest in her like a hot potato & immediately switched it to Viola, whom he still hasn‘t seen as a lady yet! I felt bad for Antonio, I think if Olivia got the male version of Viola, he should have ended up with the female version of Sebastian. 9mo
DeleteAcct It was a quick tidy ending! Over all I enjoyed the play. 9mo
Gezemice @batsy @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree, Orsino was never really fleshed out, we see much more of Viola, Olivia and the merry band of Sir Toby and Feste. And he switched alliances quickly... but hey, it is a Shakespearean comedy. I was sorry for poor Malvolio, what has he done? Being too earnest? I felt like Sir Andrew deserved more ridicule than Malvolio. In any case, insta-love kinda has to rule if you got only two hours... (edited) 9mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @batsy yeah, I think Orsino does have more attraction to Cesario... and has a relief when he finds out he can have him(her)... Since the female roles were played by males, you gotta wonder if this was a nod to a latent subculture at the theater. Which was obviously a huge taboo. 9mo
Gezemice @readinginthedark Great picture! Very different casts, indeed. I was looking for an adaptation but I have found ones that were set in modern times or that they were way too outdated... not how I pictured it at all. So did not end up finding one to watch... 9mo
rjsthumbelina @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I was surprised how quickly Orsino switched tunes to Viola,too,once Olivia was married.Although,he didn't really love Olivia-only ever talked about how pretty she was,so I guess that tracks. I do think that he was attracted to Cesario. @batsy @Gezemice I have to say, I didn't feel bad for Malvolio at the end. I felt like he was more trying to be better than others, so it felt just to me. I did feel bad for Sebastian 9mo
Graywacke I felt less bad about Malvolio once all is revealed and Olivia seems to be willing to forgive him - but, I mean, I wouldn‘t have wanted to be him. The RSC edition end essays (which I only read part of) note that in the early productions, Malvolio was the main interest. 9mo
Graywacke Maria and Toby? Really? 9mo
CoffeeNBooks Once you suspend your disbelief, it is a fun and comical ending with everything working out well, including Orsino saying that he admired Antonio even though Antonio did so much damage to Orsino's ships. I agree @Riveted_Reader_Melissa that Antonio should have ended up with Viola. But, perhaps since she was actually from a noble family, it wasn't possible for her to marry Antonio. 9mo
CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke I thought the same thing about Maria & Toby! 9mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CoffeeNBooks - the only issue I have with Anthonio and Viola is it undermines a gay Antonio, which I thought Shakespeare elegantly snuck in there. What does the actor for Antonio do at the end of the play? Could be interesting on stage (but easily neglected in film) (edited) 9mo
Graywacke “Look then to be well edified when the fool delivers the madman” - does Shakespeare undercut his future critics? 9mo
batsy Good point about the subculture of theater @Gezemice his comedies always feel carnival-esque for playing with themes that are taboo, yet it returns the characters back to their usual social position in the end for the "happy ending". @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know, Antonio deserves better! In my happy ending, Antonio and Sebastian are together, Viola with Olivia, and Orsino should be alone, with a mirror, which is what he loves best I think ? 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @batsy I still think Orsino should have fallen for Sir Andrew 🤪😂 9mo
Lcsmcat @batsy I don‘t think Viola would be happy with Olivia. She was always all about Orsino. There felt like there was a lot of subtext around sexuality in this one. I felt like Orsino might have been fighting an attraction to Cesario & was this happy she turned out to be female. 9mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I still felt bad for Malvolio. He‘s abused by everyone and doesn‘t get a happy ending. He can‘t even laugh at himself at the end like some Shakespeare characters. 9mo
Gezemice @Lcsmcat @batsy I agree, Viola is in insta-love with Orsino. She never shows any attraction to Olivia, does her best to alienate her (without success). Orsino is attracted to Cesario, maybe because he is gay, maybe because he detects that Cesario is a female, or maybe just because Cesario kind of confesses love to him. It does seem that Orsino‘s main role is to advance the plot, which is often the case with the Dukes. 9mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sir Andrew definitely gets shafted. He should have gotten some simple-minded girl. 9mo
Gezemice @Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks It is very clear why Sir Toby is attracted to Maria, but the other way around, I don‘t see it. Sir Toby is a mean drunk and Maria is way smarter. 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice Yep, she‘s have even been better with Andrew, except he was looking for a bride with money🙄 9mo
Lcsmcat @Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CoffeeNBooks I don‘t think there were enough female roles for a complete pairing off. Sir Andrew was so stupid that, while Maria could certainly rule him, I think she‘d get bored very quickly. 9mo
readinginthedark @batsy @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice @rjsthumbelina @CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 I agree that Orsino switching to Viola feels natural. I'm not sure if I like him as a character, but I do think he admired and was attracted to Cesario throughout the play, based on their conversations together about love. In my ideal pairings, however, Viola would be an independent, single woman, and Sebastian would be with Antonio. 9mo
readinginthedark @batsy @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice @rjsthumbelina @CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 I still have mixed feelings about both Malvolio and Sir Andrew. I think it goes beyond a prank to lock him up and bait him with a "priest," but I hated him before that and felt like he had ill intentions, so I can't feel completely bad for him. Sir Andrew is a bit of an idiot, but he didn't deserve to be taken advantage of either. ?‍♀️ 9mo
readinginthedark @Gezemice I'm sorry you couldn't find an adaptation you wanted to watch! I've never seen any of the film adaptations (yet), but I've seen a few in person that were very well done. And our community college happens to be doing a performance of this in March, so I'm hoping to make it to that! 9mo
readinginthedark @batsy @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice @rjsthumbelina @CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 The pairing of Sir Toby and Maria feels appropriate for the time period to me. She's smart, pretty, and has a sense of humor. He's older, single, and rich. It makes a lot more sense than if Malvolio had been successful in his attempt to climb the social ladder! 9mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I‘ll agree with that. I think Malvolio was abused a bit in this play, but in a way he signed up for it. I‘m kind of glad his attempt to slither up the ladder didn‘t really work out. 9mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark oh I could really see Sebastian and Antonio. That makes a lot of sense to me. I totally agree with that assessment. 9mo
Gezemice @readinginthedark I have actually found one in the library and put it on hold! 9mo
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rjsthumbelina
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I'm in love with this image I found online! Twelfth Night is one of Shakespeare's comedies, and it includes a lot of characters pretending to be someone they're not, and then people being extremely confused bc of it. There were lots of humorous parts, and a few serious parts, and more than a few parts that made me scratch my head! It's funny how enjoyable Shakespeare still is, once you get past the language
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Thank you so much for posting about this @Lcsmcat , it‘s one of those things I never knew existed and didn‘t realize I was missing from my life until now. I can‘t wait to watch more of them, so funny and witty watching them deal with the convoluted Shakespearean twists.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?438341-1/shakespeare-theatre-company-presents-twel...

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GingerAntics 💙💙💙 9mo
Lcsmcat I‘m glad you liked them! So far Macbeth is my favorite, but I‘m rationing them so I don‘t binge them all at once. 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Lcsmcat I love RBG, so I‘m pretty sure that one will be next...👍 9mo
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batsy
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A wacky, edgy trip through the absurd, labyrinthine landscape of human desire. We're all mad here, so "what you will", indeed. Cross dressing, pranks, & banter aside, Shakespeare always has a gimlet eye for the darkness underneath. "The madly used" Malvolio is a tragic figure, the outcast who will not be let in on the joke. Even in Shakespeare's comedies, or maybe especially in the comedies, you're reminded not to laugh too hard or for too long.

Tanisha_A What a review, rockstar! 🥳😎 I have read only abridged forms of Shakespeare's works. Your reviews make me want to pick them up but a lot of other books start screaming for attention midway. 😶 9mo
batsy @Tanisha_A Thank you, lovely ❤️ I know what you mean, there are always the other books calling 😆 Just fyi, for the #ChildrensClassicRead2019 in February we're reading this, if you wanna join 9mo
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readinginthedark Nice review! This play really is a madhouse. 9mo
youneverarrived Brilliant review 👌 9mo
Tanisha_A @batsy Done! I'd get myself added. Thanks love! 9mo
Bertha_Mason This book helped me realize I was queer. Memories :') 9mo
RaimeyGallant I've had a craving for Shakespeare lately. Never thought I'd say that. 9mo
readordierachel Fantastic review, and love that edition! 9mo
batsy @Bertha_Mason Art that helps us understand ourselves better 🙌🏽❤️ 9mo
RaimeyGallant @readinginthedark Editing my own book right now, so not enough brain power for Shakespeare, but thanks for the invite! I might catch up in a few months. :) 9mo
readinginthedark @RaimeyGallant 👍Any time! It will take us a while to read them all. 9mo
rohit-sawant Fantastic review! I seriously need to read more Shakespeare! 9mo
batsy @rohit-sawant Thank you! If ever the mood strikes join the #ShakespeareReadAlong :) 9mo
Centique I‘ve got this one coming up! 9mo
batsy @Centique Hope you enjoy! :) 9mo
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merelybookish
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Welp #shakespearereadalong friends, I've come to a conclusion. I don't like reading Shakespeare's comedies. I suspected as much but Twelfth Night confirmed it. All the hijinks, jokes and plot devices annoy me. On the stage, I imagine they work and I would love to see a performance.
Also, turns out this movie is an adaptation. Anyone seen it? I'm intrigued, although based on the trailer, I suspect it's not great.
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MommyOfTwo I can‘t stand Amanda Bines so I‘ve never seen it 9mo
tournevis Yes I've seen it. It's cute, nothing more. I suggest this version instead; it's closer to the original play and the actors are obviously having fun.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117991/
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Kimberlone I love this movie! 9mo
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Kalalalatja I really liked this as a teen 👍 9mo
GingerAntics I‘ve never heard of this. Hm. 9mo
LibrarianRyan It is very much a teen movie. I liked it, but I like hose types of movies. It‘s not going to set the world on fire. 9mo
TheLudicReader Twelfth Night is one of my least favourite plays by the Bard; however, She‘s the Man is awesome-sauce. Makes me lol every time I watch it. And my kids and I have watched it A LOT. 9mo
merelybookish @MommyOfTwo I understand. I have a few of those actors 9mo
merelybookish @tournevis Thanks for the recommendation! I do like Helena Bonham Carter. 9mo
merelybookish @Kimberlone @Kalalalatja Good to hear! I was hoping it might be like 10 Things I Hate About You. 9mo
merelybookish @GingerAntics I hadn't heard of it either. Although I'm not really the target demographic, even back in 2006. 🙂 9mo
merelybookish @LibrarianRyan I like teen movies. I tend to be pretty forgiving. 9mo
merelybookish @TheLudicReader Well that's quite an endorsement! I have to watch it now! 9mo
readinginthedark I've only seen part of it, a long time ago, when I was in a stage of being judgy about teen movies. So...I feel like I should watch it again. I know a lot of people who love it! 9mo
GingerAntics Oh I wasn‘t target demographic by 2006. That makes sense. 9mo
TheBookHippie @MommyOfTwo 🤣🤣🤣🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 9mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 2006 happy to be in menopause 😂😂😂but wait I'm sorry it's not menopause you're pregnant let's see here okay I need to register you as geriatric mother ...so yah I missed this movie 😂😂🙌🏻🙌🏻🤷🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ @merelybookish I would say the comedies are some good some bad! I love all the discussion though!! 9mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie 🤣😂🤣 love they way you tell that story 9mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 🙌🏻🏆 9mo
merelybookish @TheBookHippie I was pregnant in 2006 but wasn't geriatric till my next pregnancy in 2011. What a term! Really gives one a boost of confidence. 🙄 Yes I enjoy the discussion too and I know there's usually more going on than stupid mixups.and mistaken identities. But sometimes Im too annoyed to see past them. 9mo
Bradleygirl She's the Man has SO MUCH to recommend it, not least in that it's more grounded (with fewer fools/duels) and an amazing cast. My favorite version 🤓 9mo
batsy I have the same problem as @MommyOfTwo which is why I haven't seen this one, too 😆 Also, I love the varied reactions to this play...I loved it 😁 9mo
merelybookish @Bradleygirl 👍to fewer fools & duels. 😀 9mo
merelybookish @batsy I guess I'm too old to have developed an opinion about AM. 👵 And yes, lots of reactions! The #shakespearereadlong is keeping it 🌶️🌶️ 9mo
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merelybookish
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So it's time to bid adieu to #24in48. I managed 9 hours and a handful of minutes. Not a lot, but I
🔖finished two books
🔖made progress in Woolf's diary
🔖made progress with Twelfth Night (still behind)
🔖started a new audio book.
🍿watched Spirited Away with the kids. (That movie is amazing/crazy)
Good night readers!

erzascarletbookgasm Great job! 👍 9mo
GypsyKat Well done! 👏👏👏 9mo
zsuzsanna_reads I love Virginia Woolf's diary! 9mo
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Librarybelle Great job! 9mo
merelybookish @zsuzsanna_reads Yes! I'm enjoying it thus far. Im still on Volume 1 but hope to read them all this year. 9mo
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readinginthedark
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Act IV: aka The Shortest Shakespeare Act Ever, I think! (a non-traditional Feste pictured above)
This one was meant to be a transitional Act, as it doesn't have much to stand on its own. Sebastian (kind of a jerk), Olivia (desperate at this point), Malvolio (I feel bad for him now--no one deserves to be locked up in the dark for a prank), and Feste (who's always mixed up in everything) stood out to me. How about you?
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GingerAntics I rather liked Sebastian, although possibly because of his connection to Viola. Totally agree on Malvolio. (edited) 9mo
CoffeeNBooks I definitely felt bad for Malvolio, it was definitely uncool of Toby to do that to him. And I also felt bad for Sebastian, caught up in the confusion over who he really is. 9mo
Lcsmcat I do feel bad for Malvolio. Stephen Fry points out in an interview I saw that he‘s one of the only characters in a Shakespeare comedy who doesn‘t get a happy ending. In fact, his last line is swearing to get revenge upon them all. 9mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks Eh, Sebastian retaliates toward Andrew and Toby a bit more than the situation required, I thought. Then he chews Feste out for thinking he's someone else. And then he just agrees to marry Olivia when she falls all over him and rushes into things. And none of this tips him off that something's going on beyond being "in a dream?" I wanted to like him for Viola's sake but just couldn't. ?‍♀️ 9mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat Ooh, sequel material! 😏 9mo
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat @readinginthedark oh that would be a great sequel. 9mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark @CoffeeNBooks I think Sebastian was acting out because he couldn‘t figure out where Antonio was and had no clue what was going on. He felt totally disoriented, so he was acting weird. At least that‘s how I read it. I‘m going to watch the annulment case tomorrow morning when I would normally be finishing the play, so it‘ll be interesting to see what decision they all come to. 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics You‘re right, that‘s a great time to listen to that case. I need to plan some time for that too! 9mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I feel like the case is required for a proper reading of this play now. 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics Yes... I‘m sure there is a good case to be made about Sebastian marrying under false pretenses...basically as far as Olivia is concerned he was impersonating Viola. But then again, maybe if you fall in love at first sight you don‘t care anything for their insides as long as the outsides look the same. 😱🙄 9mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa at the same time, who she thought she was marrying was actually a woman, so she‘s probably not going to want to make too much of that. 9mo
batsy @Lcsmcat I agree. I've finished the play and I think the Malvolio aspect is the dark undercurrent of the play. Also, the fact that he gets put in his place & humiliated is an interesting one because he's trying to cross the lines of class. And is punished for it. 9mo
Lcsmcat @batsy Good point! Usually when Shakespeare‘s characters successfully cross class lines it turns out they were royal all along, like in A Winter‘s Tale, or Cymbeline. 9mo
Graywacke Blech, I‘m sick, was too sick to post yesterday, but did manage to read the 8 pages in my copy. @readinginthedark @CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sebastian would have the best answer to, “so how was your day today?” 9mo
Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks @Lcsmcat @readinginthedark @GingerAntics @batsy on Malvolio, great point on classes, it‘s the work of a writer from a society of rigid classes??. Also, I have the sense Shakespeare is doing humor every which way in this play, including some cruel humor. I‘m guessing audiences loved it. 9mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke oh Elizabethan England was definitely a society of rigid classes. He just wants to be accepted, but that just isn‘t really an option for the time, sadly. 9mo
merelybookish Finally finished and I think Ive concluded that I don't really like Shakespeare comedies. 😬 Every time we read one, I struggle to get through it. I expect seeing them on stage would work better for me. Reading it, it just feels contrived and annoys me. So this was a big meh for me. 9mo
merelybookish Apparently She's the Man starring Amanda Bynes is an adaptation of this play. Anyone seen it? 9mo
CoffeeNBooks @merelybookish Contrived is a very good word to describe this! I was having a hard time coming up with a way to explain how I felt about this play the first time I read it, and how I feel reading it a second time. I agree, much of it feels contrived. 9mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I still need to watch it! I'm interested to see what it adds to Sebastian's part of this play. 9mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I don‘t know about @Riveted_Reader_Melissa but I think I learned more about Olivia than Sebastian. lol 9mo
readinginthedark @batsy @Lcsmcat @Graywacke @GingerAntics Fascinating point about the social classes! I think this works for a few of Shakespeare's heroes but no one else. Malvolio really goes about it the wrong way, although I will say I don't think he just wants to be accepted. He wants to be in a station above others, where he can have fine things and order people around. I only really feel bad for him because of the dark room part, not the pranking in general. 9mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics That makes sense. I meant more that it pertains to the sections of the play with him, but her suit would naturally reveal a lot about her. 😆 9mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I‘ll agree with you on that point. The dark room part was pretty bad. I actually felt bad for him at that point. You‘re probably right about the wanting to be over people. I wasn‘t quite sure how to put it. “Accepted” is woefully inadequate. 9mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark you do learn some great things about him. Amazingly, she‘s the one wanting the annulment and he‘s trying to hold on to the marriage. It‘s pretty good. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. 9mo
readinginthedark @Graywacke That is interesting! Shakespeare doesn't use cruel humor very often, since his comedies are so often focused more on love. Maybe he saw an opportunity here, in all these mixed lies? 9mo
readinginthedark @merelybookish @CoffeeNBooks You can get a pretty good feel for the comedies in performance from the movies, but usually the more faithful ones rather than the adaptations. I haven't seen She's the Man for a long time; guess I need to watch it again and see what I think. I will say that I think a true appreciation of the comedies requires some...suspension of disbelief? Or maybe just suspension of modern values? 😅 9mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @merelybookish Contrived! Yep, that‘s it...perfectly sums them up...and I‘m definitely noticing some common tropes he reuses often in them too. 9mo
batsy @Graywacke That's a great point. Something I've learned from Will is there is always a fine line between haha and cruel humour (depending on who's the butt of the joke and how and why). 9mo
rjsthumbelina @readinginthedark @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I wanted to like Sebastian, but he seemed a little dull to me. How could he not have realized, at least a little bit, what was going on? And then you agree to marry a total stranger? Nope, couldn't do it. Clearly Viola is smarter 😉 9mo
rjsthumbelina @Graywacke @batsy @GingerAntics that's a very interesting point about Malvolio trying to marry above his station! I think it's definitely true that he had a goal of becoming better than the others - and I agree that he was locked in a dark house bc of it. I'm sure that Shakespeare's audience would have loved to see him end up that way after a power grab 9mo
GingerAntics @rjsthumbelina oh, Viola is definitely the smarter twin. 9mo
CoffeeNBooks @rjsthumbelina Yeah, I wondered why Sebastian couldn't put all the clues together to figure out that something was up, lol! 9mo
readinginthedark @rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks At this point, I feel like he realized something was up but didn't feel like it was worth corrupting 'cause he was getting so much out of it. But my viewpoint may have been tainted by the CSPAN trial. 😆 9mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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I promised myself I would do something productive today, so I'm sorting and washing baby clothes. Listening to the Naxos audio version of Twelfth Night while I work. There aren't as many versions of this to compare as some of the others we've read; I was surprised!
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GingerAntics It seems like it would be a fun play to do. I can‘t believe there wouldn‘t be as many of this one. At least you got some good stuff done today. 10mo
GingerAntics Love the cute little “Read” onesie!!! 10mo
Bookzombie That onesie is adorable! 10mo
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Lcsmcat I found it difficult to find an online production to watch, too. Which is how I ended up finding the Mock Trial I posted last night. 10mo
cathysaid I have the adult version of that onesie. Love it 💕 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat I believe it is one of the more frequently performed plays, so that's why I was surprised! There may be a lot of versions available, though; I'm only going by what I found on Overdrive and Hoopla. Maybe there just aren't as many cheap or free versions? 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Bookzombie @cathysaid Right?! A friend gave it to me last week, and I think it's my favorite baby clothing gift so far. My mom gave me a really adorable penguin coverall, too, so there's some stiff competition! 💗 10mo
GingerAntics Oh a little baby penguin for this cool winter weather. That‘s so cute!!! 10mo
GingerAntics I thought this was a more popular play to perform. Maybe because of its popularity people know they can get away with charging fees after the fact. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics That's what I'm thinking. Or maybe it's all smaller productions and they're not making recordings? 10mo
GingerAntics True. Only the bigger productions are going to be recorded. The bigger companies are more likely to have a focus on all of Shakespeare or an even wider focus than that, so they are less likely to do it as often. 10mo
GingerAntics The RSC has done more than 12 productions of it since 1960. I am also enjoying the number of photos include a liquor bottle in someone‘s hand. I think they may be cool with the idea of Toby being a drunk. lol https://www.rsc.org.uk/twelfth-night/past-productions I would imagine not all (very few?) have been recorded in some way other than photos. 10mo
Lcsmcat There are clips from the Broadway production with Stephen Fry as Malvolio that make me wish I could time travel and go see it! 10mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat He would be a great Malvolio! 😯 9mo
Lcsmcat @readinginthedark He was excellent! 9mo
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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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OMG #shakespearereadalong buddies! You‘ve got to watch this! Real judges and attorneys doing a mock trial based on Twelfth Night, with the question, should Olivia and Sebastian‘s marriage be annulled. It‘s hilarious! Especially the attorney for Olivia (who wants the annulment.) Full of pop culture references, including Hamilton. It‘s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?438341-1/shakespeare-theatre-company-presents-twel....

GingerAntics Oh wow, sweet!!! I‘m going to have to check this out. 10mo
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics It is worth the investment of time! Especially if you know anything about legal procedure and attorneys. 10mo
GingerAntics I don‘t really, but it still sounds fun. 10mo
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Ericalambbrown OMG!!! This looks amazing! 10mo
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I can‘t wait to get your reactions to it! 10mo
Graywacke Not sure I‘ll get through the whole thing, but the first ten minutes were good fun. Thanks for highlighting! 10mo
batsy Thank you for sharing! Look forward to checking it out. 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh! I can‘t wait until I get home to check it out! 10mo
readinginthedark Oh, how fun! I'll have to watch this tonight! 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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#ShakespeareReadAlong I read ahead! Maybe it's just the wrong time but I'm beginning to think that aside from the tragedies (which I love!) Shakespeare's not for me. I realise it's an utterly ludicrous thing to say but I simply feel there's too much drama for its own sake. Contrived. More than once a character's motivation for acting seemed to be solely to move the plot forward. That riles me! I'd still like to join in the next read along, though.

readinginthedark The tragedies are definitely stronger! And I know what you mean--I never realized how much more I enjoy the comedies in performance than in reading until we started reading them for this. I think we're going to read a history next! 10mo
kathedron @readinginthedark I look forward to it: I've not read any of the histories yet. 10mo
Lcsmcat Well, I think you have to realize that they were written to be seen on stage. So if the farce works onstage but not on the page, it still works as it was intended to. (That doesn‘t mean I think you should keep reading them if you don‘t enjoy them.) 9mo
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merelybookish I have come to the same conclusion about the comedies. I just don't like reading them. I can imagine they are fun to see staged, but on the page, all the conceits annoy me! 9mo
kathedron @Lcsmcat @merelybookish Precisely! I studied Aristophanes years ago and while there were amusing bits on the page, on the stage it was uproarious. I wonder why it is that for comedy "ah, you should have been there" but tragedy is easier to feel one's way into (for me at least): is it that comedy is inherently a more social experience? 9mo
merelybookish @kathedron I don't know! But I agree. I can easily be swept up in deep emotion in the tragedies, even when it is sudden or inexplicable. I wonder if it's because comedy is often physical. So much about what makes it funny is the tone of voice, gesture, or facial expression? 9mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Caught up tonight with my Act for the #ShakespeareReadAlong and then just had to continue on to see how he wrapped it all up. Typical for his comedies, there‘s a lot of foolery, drink, and song....but also mistaken identity, identical twins, and some very clever dialogue.

sixgun I was just reading about this, and "that Scottish play" today. I guess I need to add it to the list. 10mo
Emilymdxn I LOVE twelfth night - I was gonna call it one of the more absurd comedies then I thought... which ones aren‘t absurd lol 10mo
batsy This has become one of my faves! 💜 And that is so true @Emilymdxn , he is the master of absurdism. 10mo
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GingerAntics I‘m still pretty sure Toby‘s been drinking since Act I. Isn‘t he passed out YET?! 😵 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics No...he is definitely a functioning alcoholic! 10mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa 🤣😂🤣 that actually makes more sense. Clearly he didn‘t have his first drink in Act I. Hell, he was probably drunk before the play even started. Good point. No idea how I missed that. 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Act 3: And the case of mistaken identity begins in earnest! Poor Antonio! I'm not completely sure why he went looking for Sebastian when he said he'd wait at the inn, but whatever. I still feel bad for him. That last scene also shows us an interesting contrast in Sir Toby's character, I think. When an actual challenge presents itself, he rises to the occasion. And he really dislikes Viola for denying assistance to Antonio. 🤔
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GingerAntics Antonio being arrested really bugged me. He was so adamant that he needed to lay low, and then he just doesn‘t? Then he genuinely thinks Viola is Sebastian and that he‘s abandoning him. I felt so bad for him at the end there. Poor guy. 10mo
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readinginthedark @GingerAntics I know! I'm not sure why he's so anxious to go back out looking for Sebastian, like he's a child who needs supervision and can't avoid trouble? 10mo
GingerAntics I don‘t know. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I really felt for him feeling betrayed and even kind of abandoned by Sebastian. This is the frustrating part of Shakespeare‘s twin plays. 10mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics oh I felt bad too!! I get it, because I seldom behave or sit idle but still!!!!! Oye. Just bad all around NO NO NO. Poor misguided soul. (edited) 10mo
CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @readinginthedark I agree! But, perhaps his feelings for Sebastian were so strong that he just couldn't sit still and wait for him- he wanted to make sure he was ok. I felt bad for him, though. Hopefully as Viola starts to figure it all out, she'll try to make it right. 10mo
TheBookHippie @CoffeeNBooks I think his intentions were pure. Betrayal is hard. This is when I'd love for Shakespeare to be at an author talk @GingerAntics so we can question his writing 🤣🤷🏽‍♀️ 10mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie right? That would be so awesome for so many reasons. 10mo
GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I completely agree. He wasn‘t out looking for mischief or adventure, he just needed to know Sebastian was okay. Poor guy. He seems like a sweet, loyal kind of guy. Things generally all get sorted out in Shakespeare‘s comedies. (edited) 10mo
rjsthumbelina @readinginthedark @CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I agree that it was sad watching Antonio think that he was being betrayed by Sebastian. It was also sad to see Viola hear someone talk about her brother,who she thinks is dead. I do wonder what Antonio's motivation for going to find Sebastian was. On a different note, I almost doubt that Toby was being honest in wanting to go after Viola. I kind of think it is still all for his enjoyment 10mo
GingerAntics @rjsthumbelina I agree that Toby‘s actions are still entirely self serving. I don‘t think Toby has suddenly stopped being an obnoxious jerk and is going to help out some guy he doesn‘t even know. He wants something out of the deal. 10mo
Graywacke A comedy of errors. But I didn‘t understand why Antonio was in such danger. What did he do? 10mo
Graywacke Been thinking about this line spoken by Olivia to Viola: “But reason thus with reason fetter” 10mo
Lcsmcat @CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics @readinginthedark @thebookhippie Do we know Antonio made it to the end and then left it? What if he was on his way to the Inn, heard the commotion, saw swords drawn against someone he thinks to be Sebastian? He couldn‘t not help him, no matter the risk to himself. (edited) 10mo
CoffeeNBooks @Graywacke He'd been involved in a battle with Orsino's ships, and although most of what they'd stolen from Orsino's ships was returned, Antonio had refused to give back what he'd stolen. So when the police saw him, they arrested him. 10mo
Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks thank you! Couldn‘t pick it up 10mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat I think he said something about coming to look for Sebastian...let me see...line 317: "This comes with seeking you." 10mo
Lcsmcat @readinginthedark Hmm. OK. I still think the street commotion has something to do with it. But it could just be that Will needed it to happen for the plot. 10mo
readinginthedark @rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics Oh, I definitely agree that Toby isn't a gentleman all of a sudden, but I feel like we saw the line where he takes action for his own honor or his friends'. I saw this more in his response to Antonio's initial challenge than in his claim of Viola as a coward and chase after her. When Antonio first draws a sword and says he'll defend "Sebastian," Toby responds in kind rather than pushing Sir Andrew forward to fight. 10mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat Oh, I definitely think that's what drew him to the scene--I just meant as far as whether or not he'd been to the inn. I guess I'm assuming he went and set up everything for their meal, and when Sebastian didn't come by the time he expected, Antonio got worried and went looking for him. 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I will give you that. He did step up and take the challenge himself instead of finding someone else to do it for him. 10mo
batsy @Graywacke That's fruit for thought indeed. There are so many beautiful lines to think about in this Act. Viola: "They that dally nicely with words may quickly make them wanton". And Feste replies, "words are very rascals since bonds disgraced them". Viola goes on to acknowledge the intellectual labour of the stock comic fool—"This is a practice as full of labor as a wise man's art". So delightful. 10mo
batsy I liked that in the whole set up of duelling for honour, which was largely constructed by Sir Toby for his own enjoyment, when Viola-as-Cesario is told by Sir Toby why she has to fight—"for meddle you must"—she replies, "This is as uncivil as strange". I think is an apt summary of the so-called "codes" of masculinity! 10mo
Graywacke @batsy i enjoyed Viola‘s back and forth with Feste. Good stuff, good quotes. 10mo
readinginthedark @batsy @Graywacke Viola, Olivia, and Feste seem to have the best lines of wisdom! 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa A day behind here, but yep I agree with everyone above...I felt even worse for Antonio at the end of this act than I felt for Malvolio at the end of the last one! I know Shakespeare wraps these things up fairly nicely, so I‘m guessing our girl love Viola/Olivia and our guys Antonio/Sebastian need to exchange twins, but he‘s kind of set Viola up with Orsino...so can we send him off with Toby or better yet Sir Andrew? (edited) 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa And I don‘t have a Feste in my version, so I‘m guessing he‘s just the Clown in my version? 10mo
readinginthedark @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I don't want to ruin anything, so I won't comment on the end result of the love matches yet, but it would have been awesome if Shakespeare could've paired Antonio and Sebastian! He doesn't ever do that in his plays even subtly, since the hero always "gets the girl" in the comedies. ?‍♀️ Also, Feste is Olivia's clown, so you must be right. Interesting that he belongs with Olivia's crew, too, since Orsino is the Count. ? 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @readinginthedark I figured, because I had the same problem with the last clown 😂 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @readinginthedark That‘s ok, I had to know so I finished it last night. 😉🤫🤭 10mo
readinginthedark @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Most of the jesters are pretty similar from play to play anyway! Although the one in As You Like It was also a bit of a player. 😆 10mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Orsino and Sir Andrew would make a really nice pair. 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Graywacke Right! They both are equally bad at taking a Lady‘s no for a no, and Duke Orsino has enough money to solve Sir Andrew‘s problems, plus Andrew‘s antics would be like having another fool around. 10mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa well, he is, of course, the real fool. Feste (Clown) is pretty sharp. 10mo
readinginthedark @Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, I love Feste! The clowns and best friends are often the best characters in Shakespeare, I think. 10mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @readinginthedark I fully agree there, sad that that old cliche of the cool best friend who‘s always the bridesmaid and never the bride was always true.🤷‍♀️ 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Act 2! Enter: Sebastian. Briefly. The first scene struck me as so odd, especially Antonio's obsessive devotion. I'm a little curious what Sebastian did to earn that kind of dedication. And I was not a big fan of Duke Orsino in this Act. He says a lot about men not loving as long as women, but supposedly they're capable of much stronger love? 🙄 And then he dismisses Viola's argument completely. How did you feel about Act 2?
#ShakespeareReadalong

Lcsmcat I can believe Antonio‘s devotion to Sebastian sooner than Viola‘s to Orsino! But I love the feeling that she‘s putting one over in him. 10mo
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readinginthedark @Lcsmcat Good point! I guess it just stuck out to me, because Sebastian is saying, "Seriously, don't follow me," and Antonio is saying, "Even though I'm putting my life in danger and you don't even want me to come, I'll follow you everywhere." ? There's a lot of disregard for other people's feelings in this play. 10mo
DeleteAcct @Lcsmcat I agree. I'm beginning to think Orsino is a total tool. 😆 I enjoyed the plot against Malvolio. It had me laughing. 🤗 10mo
Lcsmcat @Rachbb3 Me too! And Andrew with all of his “Me too!” whining. (edited) 10mo
GingerAntics I love the bit about Sebastian positive Viola is dead...meanwhile, on another island, Viola is positive Sebastian is dead. I love this particular theme in Shakespeare. He does a lot with twins (probably because he had a set) and them being separated (again, probably because one of his died). It‘s always fun how he handles it, and it‘s also a look inside of his mind a little bit. 10mo
GingerAntics @Rachbb3 @Lcsmcat Andrew did seem to turn on the whine in this act. I also got the impressions they‘d been drinking with all of the seemingly random singing. lol 10mo
Graywacke Two main thoughts: Malvolio - cruel (ok, and funny) And, goodness, the insistence in women as the the weaker sex. Glad Viola said something. Fun overall, especially Viola‘s conversation with Orsino. 10mo
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics Do Toby and Andrew ever STOP drinking? 10mo
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat I‘m wondering that myself. It seems like “curtain up” means “bottoms up” to them. I think they‘ve been drinking since the beginning of the play. No wonder they now think they‘re in a musical. 10mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke I noticed that. They have no idea a woman is in the room, and yet she still stands up and tries to set them straight. I really love Viola. She might be my favourite character of the whole play. 10mo
BookishBelle @GingerAntics I really like Viola too. Hopefully she doesn‘t end up with Orsino. What a cad! 10mo
BookishBelle Overall, I liked this Act better than the first. I was a little confused by Antonio‘s devotion to Sebastian but I thought I‘d just go with it. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I think what they did to Malvolio was mean not only to him but also to Olivia. It was really funny though so what are you going to do? Plus it kept the drunk guys busy for awhile... 10mo
GingerAntics @BookishBelle oh god I hope they don‘t end up together either. That would be horrible. Orsino is an absolute pill. I can‘t imagine why anyone would want to be with him. 🤦🏼‍♀️ Keeping the drunk guys entertained so they don‘t do anything too stupid or dangerous is always good. I got the impression that Olivia is in on the joke, though. I think they were taking the mickey out of Malvolio. 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark love this image for this play. It‘s the whole play (as we know it so far) in a single image. So much is going on in this image, even though it seems really simple at first glance. 💙💙💙 10mo
Graywacke @BookishBelle @GingerAntics no clue why Viola fell in the love with Orsino. Maybe he‘s a hunk with dough, but he‘s an idiot and she‘s brilliant. 10mo
Graywacke @readinginthedark @Lcsmcat @BookishBelle With all this gender play, I just assumed Antonio was gay and in love with Sebastian (I‘m guessing Shakespeare couldn‘t say so openly) 10mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke That‘s an interesting thought. I just thought he was the “devoted servant” trope. 10mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke Maybe Viola thinks Orsino is stupid enough that she can control him. 😀 10mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke @Lcsmcat I was just thinking that. If she‘s smarter and he‘s an idiot, then she can sort of act as his puppeteer and get things done. 10mo
Graywacke @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat adds a layer to what she‘s doing 10mo
readinginthedark @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @BookishBelle I kind of figured Shakespeare was doing one of those two things with Antonio, as well--either the secret love or the devoted servant (kind of like the really old, devoted servant to Orlando in As You Like It). 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @BookishBelle @Rachbb3 Viola is a serious badass. She risks exposing herself completely when she argues against Orsino's stupid ideas. But he seems to listen to her a little bit...maybe she could run the court a bit more reasonably if they did end up together? Also, I would feel bad for Malvolio being pranked if he hadn't said some really selfish and thoughtless things in his musings before he found the letter. 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics Isn't that illustration perfect? It's on the Pelican version I'm reading right now, and I just had to attach it to this post. 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I really felt in on the joke and I was really excited when they did it. I‘m not going to lie. lol I feel like the female characters are a bit smarter and more logical than the male characters in this play. I rather like that. 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark oh the Pelican editions have great art work. They tend to be this way. You take a quick look and they seem quite simple, then you really look and it‘s the whole play in a single image. Brilliant. 10mo
CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics I definitely agree that the female characters seem to be smarter and more logical than the male characters. I like both Viola and Olivia a lot. 10mo
CoffeeNBooks I think you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit in order to appreciate the comedy Shakespeare intended this to be. That frustrated me quite a bit the first time I read this play, but the second time around I feel like I'm more prepared for that. 10mo
GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks Olivia is a great character, too. I‘d definitely put her in the favourite characters list. 10mo
GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I‘ve read this play before, but I don‘t remember ANY of this!!! It‘s kind of driving me crazy. I‘m really enjoying it, though. 10mo
merelybookish Again, not much to add. Most of my thoughts have been expressed well already. Viola is the best and her attraction to Orsinio is a mystery! Sir Andrew is delightfully stupid, I almost feel a bit bad for him. 10mo
batsy Sorry for the late comments; time zone difference. ? Agree with a lot here. I feel so bad for Malvolio but I'm also enjoying the plot against him! Maria is a terrifying, fascinating mean girl. And "delightfully stupid" is the perfect way to describe Sir Andrew @merelybookish. I too did wonder if there are layers to Antonio's "service" to Sebastian; if it does seem like an intense friendship. 10mo
batsy I love that the "achieve greatness" line is used as a motivational platitude in our times but that it was a satiric dig at Malvolio in the play. I'm beginning to realise that a lot of contemporary “inspirational quotes“ from Shakespeare take on a very different hue when read in the context of the plays! 10mo
Graywacke @batsy Maria is terrifying. Good description. She might be my favorite character. And I‘m constantly fascinated at the lines here that I recognize and their context. (There must be a book...books....on lines pulled from Shakespeare) 10mo
rjsthumbelina I‘m about to add several late comments- I am just catching up on this one! @merelybookish @Graywacke I agree that I‘m not sure why Viola would fall for the duke. Only reason I can think of is that she is swooning over the nice things he says about Olivia. And I thought that Antonio was in love with Sebastian too - it just fits with this plot 10mo
rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat I for some reason can‘t bring myself to believe that Viola would be interested in him for money or power. Not that she isn‘t capable of scheming, since she clearly is. Maybe she seems too genuine to me? @readinginthedark I think I‘m for sure in the minority here, but I do feel bad for Malvolio! But maybe that‘s bc I can‘t stand the Toby/Andrew duo. 10mo
rjsthumbelina @GingerAntics @CoffeeNBooks I totally agree that women are more logical and more intelligent than the men here, overall. But it does seem like Viola is setting herself up for a big fall... @batsy and @Graywacke I was also really thrown by the “achieve greatness” quote being in that context! So different from the way we use it now. And you guys hit the nail on the head with why I don‘t like Maria - mean girl is a perfect descriptor! 10mo
rjsthumbelina @readinginthedark I‘m going to try to be much more punctual next discussion! Sorry! 10mo
GingerAntics @rjsthumbelina yeah, she does seem too genuine for that. I‘m not sure at all why Viola likes him. I agree on the Toby/Andrew duo. Mean girl is a great way to describe Maria. I want to comment on Viola, but I just finished the next act today and don‘t want to spoil anything, so I‘m going to keep my mouth shut. 10mo
readinginthedark @rjsthumbelina No worries! I've had trouble keeping up on the last two, so I understand. Whenever you get to them is fine. 😉 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @merelybookish @CoffeeNBooks @batsy @rjsthumbelina @Graywacke I agree--there has to be some suspension of disbelief in all of Shakespeare's comedies. There are too many confusing antics and ridiculous situations for it not to be frustrating otherwise. Sir Andrew reminds me of those kids in school who want to be cool so badly that they do stupid things. You want to like them because they're really nice, but they're just so frustrating 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @merelybookish @CoffeeNBooks @batsy @rjsthumbelina @Graywacke Anything taken out of context can cause wild misunderstandings, I think, but I do agree that it seems to happen even more often with Shakespeare than other authors. So interesting that Maria is becoming the mean girl here! I think this is why I always take issue with people who play really involved pranks. It always goes too far eventually. 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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I‘m loving all the riddling going on with Viola in this Act. #shakespearereadalong

batsy I love this quote! 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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“Journeys end in lovers meeting”

Enlightenment moment: that‘s what was quoted in the Haunting of Hill House, a silly song by the fool to make two alcoholic idiots happy? !! 🙂 Shirley Jackson was brilliant.

#twelfthnight #shakespearereadalong

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I love finding book connections as I‘m reading! 10mo
Graywacke @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yes! Part of the fun of reading these classics. 🙂 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Time to catch up with the #ShakespeareReadAlong here I come Act I!

Lynnsoprano Saw this play at Orlando Shakespeare Theatre. One of my favorites. 10mo
tdrosebud This is such a fun read. 10mo
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It is time, my friends, to discuss the 1st Act of Twelfth Night! Pictured above is Ellen Terry as Viola. We're mostly setting the scene in this Act, but there is some great character development mixed in as well! Who is your favorite or least favorite character, and why? And how much time has passed? How can Viola already be in love with Orsino but her brother hasn't even made it to land yet?
#ShakespeareReadalong @GingerAntics @merelybookish

GingerAntics Sir Toby is probably my least favourite. Viola is my favourite. I like that she‘s taking care of herself, taking care of business, and she‘s got this crazy secret (hey I‘m really a girl!!!). As I understand it, the falling in love bit is supposed to be love at first sight sort of thing both for Viola and Olivia. I don‘t think Sebastian makes it to land for a while, like the end of the play sort of thing. (edited) 10mo
readinginthedark Also, happy Twelfth Night everyone! Or maybe it's tomorrow? I'm bad with actual dates, but close enough. And be sure to check out some great, more specific quotes posts on this play already on @GingerAntics page! 10mo
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GingerAntics Twelfth Night is either the night of the 5th or the 6th of January depending on how you count. I say go for both. Why have one night of revelries when you can have two?! 😏🥃🤷🏼‍♀️ 10mo
readinginthedark As always, if you weren't tagged and would like to be (or vice-versa), please let me know! 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics I think it's earlier than that, because there are several scenes where Viola is accosted by people who think she's Sebastian and vice-versa. But I don't remember how early, and I'm a little curious why it takes him so much longer. I don't know much about ships and transportation at the time, though. Maybe the key lies there. Love at first sight is definitely Shakespeare's style, so that makes sense. And yes to two nights of revelry! 10mo
Lcsmcat I think the confusion comes because 12th Night being celebrated at night, it carries over to the next morning. As for Act 1, there‘s a lot of necessary exposition, but I found all the double entendre between Toby, Maria, and Sir Andrew very entertaining. 10mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I'm with the two night celebration !!! 🙌🏻🥃🥃🥃 10mo
TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat I'm laughing as I read and since everyone is home they think I'm nuts ???‍♀️because Shakespeare ...my nieces " Auntie you read it on purpose?! " ha. Alas I agree it's very entertaining ! 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I thought he was believed to be lost at sea, and then he magically appears to great celebrations (queue further revelries lol). @Lcsmcat Shakespeare is great for his double entendres!!! 10mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics team Viola!!! 10mo
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat the difference in when “Twelfth Night” is comes from some people counting from the 25th and some people counting from the 26th. So some people celebrate at night fall on the 5th and others celebrate at night fall on the 6th. I still haven‘t found the logic for starting the count on the 26th. Working on that. 10mo
TheBookHippie This is perfectly timed I think now we will get into the thick of it so to speak ! Next act! Most of Shakespeare love at first sight??? Seems to be. 10mo
CoffeeNBooks @GingerAntics I agree- Sir Toby is my least favorite, Viola is my favorite. This is my second read of this play, and although I liked it the first tine, I'm liking it even more the second time! 10mo
wanderinglynn While I do love Viola (who doesn‘t?), I‘m going to go with Feste as fave. He has some great lines: “Let her hang me! He that is well hang‘d in this world needs to fear no colors.” 10mo
wanderinglynn Least fave, well, that‘s a tough one. But I‘d have to say the Duke because he‘s so clueless. He is one who just loves to be in love. He‘s capricious, within his first 8 lines, he first tells the musicians to play on and then says: “Enough, no more, ‘Tis not so sweet now as it was before.” 10mo
Graywacke Had some trouble getting going on this, but I think I‘m into it now. Lots of different characters full of brilliant lines - my favorites are Maria, Feste and, of course, Viola. Maria telling Sir Andrew off is terrific. 10mo
Graywacke For what it‘s worth, I appreciate Shakespeare‘s strong female roles. Lots here on act 1. 10mo
Graywacke Least favorite so far for me is Sir Andrew. Hope he gets more entertaining 10mo
Graywacke I have to add, I just read the tagged book where Terry Pratchett seems to play directly on Feste, with a professional fool. Fun to meet his source (or maybe one of them) 10mo
GingerAntics @wanderinglynn good point on the Duke. He does seem really wishy-washy. 10mo
GingerAntics @Graywacke yeah, Sir Andrew comes of as slightly lacking in the personality department at first. I‘m really hoping he comes onto his own a bit as the play goes on. @CoffeeNBooks this is my second read of this one, too, but when I read it last time it was part of a grad class, so everything moved so fast, a week to read, process, and discuss the play, then on to the next. So I don‘t really remember much beyond the twins aspect. 10mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat @wanderinglynn @Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks @TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Viola, Maria, and Feste are definite faves for me! The intelligent and witty ones who bring so many plays on words and meanings--gotta' love them! Sir Andrew is probably my least favorite. How can you sell yourself as a good mate if you claim to do basically nothing? He may just be around to be an object of ridicule. We'll see. 10mo
readinginthedark @Lcsmcat @wanderinglynn @Graywacke @CoffeeNBooks @TheBookHippie Interesting to see so many Sir Toby haters! @GingerAntics and I talked about this a little already, but I was wondering if maybe Sir Toby is grieving just like Olivia but in a less appropriate way? He did just lose his brother and nephew somewhat recently, and so maybe he grabbed some random stranger who was willing to drink and revel with him to be a potential suitor for his niece. 10mo
readinginthedark @TheBookHippie My family used to ask me questions like that when I read Shakespeare out and about, as well. 😂 Now they just know! 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics I may be remembering it wrong, but I do know there's a part where Olivia thinks Sebastian is Cesario/Viola...so we'll see! 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark that‘s usually how it is with twins in Shakespeare. They both get confused as the other and eventually at the very end everything gets straightened out. lol Apparently the Comedy of Errors is all about that. 10mo
Gezemice @wanderinglynn I noted that one, too. Will is a dirty man. But I love his word plays. 10mo
batsy @Graywacke Same for me, but I read ahead because I couldn't help myself, and he reveals himself to be more of a fool. He gets some truly funny lines 😆 10mo
Gezemice My big achievement was that for the first time I am on schedule - neither behind, nor ahead. So I get to chime in with all of you guys :) So far it is pretty much all setup. I have not read the play but I have read Shakespeare stories so I know mostly what‘s coming, and I am enjoying the word play. My edition has more footnotes than play... and apparently just about everything has a sexual subtext. 10mo
Gezemice My favorite footnote find, because it is so off the wall, is that “mutton” can also mean prostitute. Along with about 200 other words, it seems... 10mo
Gezemice @Graywacke Pratchett definitely uses Shakespearean themes - Wyrd Sisters is partially a take on Macbeth (way more fun). The fool there though is more of a nice kid, not really a witty one. 10mo
batsy It was insta-love between me and this play, which was unexpected but very nice. ? As others have mentioned, I love Viola, but I'm also very fond of Feste, Olivia and Maria. They get some great lines, as when Olivia asks Viola-disguised-as-Cesario, "Have you commission from your lord to negotiate with my face?“ then gives an "inventory" of her physical features. So sassy! Meanwhile, Feste: "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." ? 10mo
Graywacke @TheBookHippie @batsy @Gezemice - it seems like every line has sexual connotations so far. A school of innuendo. 10mo
Graywacke @batsy good to know about Sir Andrew. I‘ll hold off judgement 🙂 10mo
DeleteAcct Viola is definitely my favorite. Funny and witty. Least favorite is Sir Toby 😝. 10mo
merelybookish Nothing much to add. This is my first time reading the play. This act felt crammed full of characters, plot set-ups, witty repartee, and sexual innuendo. It feels rich! I did laugh when I realized the speech an ex-boyfriend liked to quote was the opening. Methinks now maybe he never read the whole play. 😆 And I always like some feisty Shakespeare female characters, in and out of disguise. 10mo
merelybookish Oh, and happy belated birthday @readinginthedark! I hope you were pampered! 🎂🎁🎈 10mo
batsy Ooh! Happy belated birthday!! 🎂🎉💐 10mo
kathedron Toby reminds me of those old guys at the gym who importune the fit women with their "merriment". ? 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics Oh yes! All of Shakespeare, really, not just twins. He likes to keep his characters confused as long as possible! 10mo
readinginthedark @Gezemice Nice work! I'm trying some new scheduling with my reading to stay on top of posts, 'cause this whole month will be crazy for me. 😆 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark isn‘t that half the fun?! lol 10mo
readinginthedark @Gezemice @batsy @Graywacke @merelybookish Yes, there are so many innuendos! I wonder how people understood each other back then? 😏 10mo
readinginthedark @kathedron @Rachbb3 Oh no, I hope Sir Toby isn't like that! At least he hasn't given Sir Andrew inappropriate opportunities with his niece? Hopefully he'll improve! 10mo
readinginthedark @merelybookish I've heard that line about music being the food of love many times before with no reference to the play, so he may not have read any of it! 😆 And thank you! I got a chocolate cupcake and hibachi for dinner, so it was a good day. 🎂 @batsy 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics 😆 Of course! 10mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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Cracking this open for our #shakespearereadalong

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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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First book of 2019 is an oldy but a goody. Thought I'd keep it light ;)

Lcsmcat Are you joining the #shakespearereadalong? We‘re discussing Act 1 tomorrow. 10mo
ajennell @Lcsmcat I wasn't aware of it, but now that I am I'll have to check it out. 10mo
readinginthedark Nice cover! 😆 10mo
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Chelleo Welcome to Litsy! Hope these #Litsytips by @RaimeyGallant http://bit.ly/litsytips and #LitsyHowTo videos: goo.gl/UrCpoU are helpful. #LitsyWelcomeWagon 9mo
RaimeyGallant Welcome! 9mo
ajennell @RaimeyGallant thank you ^_^ 9mo
ajennell @Chelleo thanks for the tips ;) 9mo
ajennell @readinginthedark lol thanks. Gives me a chuckle every time ;) 9mo
ProfReader Welcome to Litsy!!! :) 8mo
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Twelfth Night | William Shakespeare
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This is my reminder post about the Twelfth Night reading schedule. I've already started, because I don't want to fall behind on you guys, and I couldn't help myself. This is one I loved before, so we'll see how it carries into my 30s! Tagging everyone who participated in the last readalong; please let me know if you'd like to be added or removed from this list! #ShakespeareReadalong
@merelybookish @GingerAntics

GingerAntics I think I read this in grad school, but that was a such a flurry it‘s hard to remember. (update) All evidence points to yes. I‘m excited to read it so I actually remember it this time. 😏 (edited) 10mo
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CSeydel I usually read this at New Years! It‘s a great one! I am actually going to skip it this year, though... Since I missed Winter‘s Tale when the group read it, and I haven‘t read it before, I plan to go back for it now. (edited) 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics I know how you feel! I've seen several performances of this one and remember most of it, but when we read Hamlet, I was surprised at how much I'd forgotten! 10mo
readinginthedark @CSeydel No problem! I fell behind on that one, too, and plan on trying to finish it after this on maternity leave...we'll see! 😅 Check back at the end of January if you'd like to join us for the next one; I think @GingerAntics will be leading another historical play for us. 10mo
Lcsmcat This was the first Shakespeare I saw live - in high school. I‘ve read it since, but look forward to a reread. 10mo
GingerAntics When did we read Hamlet? Was this before I got on Litsy? 10mo
Faibka Ready to start! :) 10mo
Faibka @GingerAntics @readinginthedark I‘m also curious, has Hamlet already been read in the read-along?? 10mo
merelybookish I can't remember if I ever read this or not. Probably not since the only thing I recall of it is the last scene from Shakespeare in Love and Joseph Fiennes writes a scene for Viola. ✒️ 10mo
Gezemice Thank you! I will be participating this time hopefully on schedule :) 10mo
batsy @Faibka We read Hamlet last December; perhaps it was before you joined Litsy, @GingerAntics ? 10mo
GingerAntics @batsy @Faibka yeah I didn‘t join until January or February of this year, so I missed that one. Then I didn‘t join the read-along right away anyway. Good thing I read that in November. lol 10mo
Faibka @batsy thanks for clearing that up! Yes, looks like I joined the read-along quite late then :( @GingerAntics oh well, we missed the read of our favorite play, but maybe will be re-read in the future? ;) 10mo
GingerAntics @Faibka I will read and discuss Hamlet ANY time!!! lol 10mo
Faibka @GingerAntics sounds good to me! Let me just hunt down Hamlet in Purgatory and discuss it as well! :) 10mo
GingerAntics I agree. Those two need to go together. Since we‘ve both read Hamlet. We need to read Hamlet in Purgatory and discuss, then reread Hamlet and discuss. lol it‘s the Greenblatt read-along. lol 10mo
Faibka @GingerAntics Lol, I like that! Everyone is free to join! 10mo
GingerAntics @Faibka the sister read-along to this one. lol 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Faibka Thanks, @batsy ! I forgot how small our group was back then, maybe six people. 😆 It was probably the...second play we read? I can make a list if people are interested, but I promise I'm keeping track to make sure we read everything! That's my goal, to read all the plays! 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics @Faibka Also, I've never read Hamlet in Purgatory! 🤔 Sounds interesting! 10mo
readinginthedark @merelybookish I've never actually seen that movie but heard it's good. It has Gwyneth Paltrow, right? 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark it‘s by this scholar names Stephen Greenblatt. I read part of Hamlet in Purgatory for a research paper. He does a lot of work on Shakespeare and related topics. It‘s great background/additional information to go with some of his plays or common themes. 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark we got on the Greenblatt train after @Faibka got another of his books called Tyrant, that Greenblatt wrote on Shakespeare‘s handling of politics. 10mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics I've heard of Greenblatt but haven't read any of these books. Good to know! 10mo
GingerAntics @readinginthedark I‘ve read a few articles and part of that one book by him. He gives good info. 10mo
merelybookish Yes Gwyneth Paltrow won an Oscar. I liked it when it came out, but that was a while ago! 10mo
Faibka @readinginthedark sorry to have invaded your comments section! But yes @GingerAntics and I were discussing reading Greenblatt‘s books to accompany our Shakespearean endeavors :) 10mo
readinginthedark @Faibka No worries! I'm always interested in reading Shakespeare extras when I can make the time. 😊 10mo
TheBookHippie I'm in!!!!! 10mo
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Okay, friends! Here's my planned Twelfth Night schedule! I hope that this works for everyone and that you don't mind me moving the post days to Sundays instead of Saturdays; it's just easier for me. Just a heads-up, if I have this baby early or if things get crazy at the end, my wonderful co hosts @merelybookish and @GingerAntics will be picking up the posts for me, 'cause she's due three days after our Act 5 discussion date! #ShakespeareReadalong

GingerAntics Oh you‘re getting close!!! So excited for you!!! 11mo
merelybookish Hey! Looks good to me and happy to jump in whenever. Have a Merry Christmas! 11mo
readinginthedark @GingerAntics I know! I'm excited and nervous and definitely exhausted. 😆 11mo
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readinginthedark @merelybookish Thanks! Merry Christmas to you, too! 11mo
merelybookish @readinginthedark You will sleep again...someday. 😴😉 11mo
Lcsmcat @merelybookish Don‘t lie to the woman. @readinginthedark You will sleep again, but not til they leave home. 😂 But it‘s worth it, and I wouldn‘t trade them for all the sleep in the world. 11mo
CoffeeNBooks Yay! Looking forward to another #shakespearereadalong! 11mo
GingerAntics That‘s to be expected. I hear once their sleeping through the night you do get to sleep again for a bit. Although, I have one friend whose baby was just so chill they actually slept fairly well. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I get the impression that‘s not common, but fingers crossed you get a chill baby. 11mo
Graywacke Excited for you. The schedule is TN is good. 10mo
Graywacke (Just realized I‘m posting 4 days later. Sorry, holidays, travel, family... ) 10mo
readinginthedark @merelybookish @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat 😆 My son actually slept through the night as soon as we brought him home from the hospital, but we were so lucky with that, this one probably won't. I'm just verrrrrry pregnant right now--lots of physical exertion + waking up four or five times a night to pee take their toll. 😅 10mo
readinginthedark @merelybookish @GingerAntics Should I tag everyone who was participating for the last play, do you think, at least I have initially? I used to do that, but it seemed like some people were tagged who didn't want to be. 10mo
GingerAntics I think that‘s probably the best bet. We can‘t know if they don‘t tell us they‘re taking a break or whatever. I‘d just tag everyone we had last time and then add and subtract as people request it. We generally have one or two go and one or two hop on the party train. 10mo
CoffeeNBooks I'm definitely in! 😃 10mo
TheBookHippie Looks good!!!! I'm in! 10mo
TheBookHippie @merelybookish thx I'm in!!!! Happy new year!!! 10mo
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Twelfth-night: Or, What You Will | William Shakespeare
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Day 14: A book turned movie and completely desecrated

I can't think of any books off the top of my head that I really liked reading but hated the film adaptation. Instead, here's a picture of my Shakepeare Love mug that I'm using for my evening tea.

#30daychallenge #bookchallenge #Shakespeare #lovequotes #mug #tea #twiningstea

CoffeeNBooks Great mug! I love Shakespeare! 11mo
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Another winner. I'm beginning to suspect that the characters are what make me most enjoy Shakespeare's comedies. Wit is one thing, but it is much more enjoyable when uttered by well-developed, thoughtful characters. Some plays don't have much character depth, but I thought this one did.