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Fight Club | Chuck Palahniuk
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Question 7 of 7.

If you participated in #StepfordSummerParty and or #HellOween  buddy reads did you have a favorite book? How did Fight Club compare to the other two books? How did you feel about Palahniuk‘s writing compared to the others? Do you see any similarities between the three books? Would you consider Fight Club horror???

Megabooks I didn‘t do either of those buddy reads, but I have read The Stepford Wives. I think Fight Club is more suspense than horror, but I did find FC scarier! 2mo
BookwormAHN I missed The Stepford Wives, but I really loved The Elementals. I liked the way Palahniuk writes but I didn't think that Fight Club was horror. I think it was more psychological suspense. 2mo
BarbaraBB I agree, FC is much more psychological than horror. I didn‘t do either of the other buddy reads but I will be joining from now on ♥️ 2mo
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Librarybelle I‘ve participated in all 3! Stepford Wives was the spookiest for me, I think. The Elementals I didn‘t really enjoy and thought a little campy, though I know I was in the minority on that. Fight Club is more psychological. All three have been fun to read, and I‘m excited to see what the next read will be! 2mo
TrishB I loved The Elementals. Didn‘t do Stepford Wives and bailed on Fight Club. 2mo
peaknit I‘ve participated in all three as well. I enjoyed The Stepford Wives the most I think because the 70‘s were such an odd time. I didn‘t think any of them were particularly scary, but all definitely weird 😊 I‘m with @Librarybelle on The Elementals, campy is a good word. 2mo
Kalalalatja I read The Elementals and enjoyed it way more than FC! 2mo
thereadingowlvina I didn't join The Stepford Wives, loved The Elementals and bailed on Fight Club. I didn't like the writing at all 😔 2mo
DebinHawaii I joined in all three & Stepford Wives was my favorite. All had dark elements mixed with dark humor. I agree that Fight Club was more psychological suspense than horror. I listened to The Elementals on audio which I think enhanced its campiness & made it fun-scary. Fight Club just grossed me out. So for me, I'd rank them in the order we read them. Thanks for hosting @Cinfhen & @BarbaraBB looking forward to another buddy read. 🤗 2mo
CarolynM I wouldn't have read any of them without the buddy reads but I felt that all of them were interesting reads. I think The Stepford Wives was the best of them. It was atmospheric and insightful and I actually cared about the characters. Thanks for the party @Cinfhen and @BarbaraBB 😘😘 2mo
GripLitGrl The stepford wives was my fave the book had a more creepy vibe & diffrent ending to the film. So while i saw the movie the book felt diffrent & kept my interest. Elementals would be my second pick. fight club the book was so-so for me really translated better for me as a film. 2mo
GripLitGrl I Definitely dont see fight club as horror genre. The other two books fit into the horor genre. 2mo
batsy All three are such fascinating books that I probably would have put off for longer if I didn't do the buddy reads, so thank you for that ❤️😁 Stepford and Elementals win out over Fight Club, but I'm glad I read FC; it's definitely a book that disrupts one's perspective! 2mo
erzascarletbookgasm I didn‘t do The Elementals (couldn‘t get a copy on time), SW and FC were great reads though I liked SW better. Wouldn‘t have picked up FC if not for the buddy read. Both are thought provoking and have loads of discussion points. FC is definitely not horror. 2mo
Cinfhen First to my triple hit players @batsy @GripLitGrl @CarolynM @DebinHawaii @peaknit @Librarybelle Thank you for partying with me through the decades! It‘s been super fun and I‘ve found our discussions really insightful. For me, SW was my fav too. The story just worked on all the levels and it‘s withstood the test of time. I too thought Elementals was more of a spoof and campy is the perfect word. It was more atmospheric than scary. Hated FC 2mo
Cinfhen @Megabooks @BookwormAHN @BarbaraBB @TrishB @Kalalalatja @thereadingowlvina See above comments and THANKS for sharing your LOVE of reading with me!!! These buddy reads are only successful because of your participation!! So fun to share music, fashion and books with you all!!! Hope you‘ll be back for #BelowZer00s in Jan 2020😜 2mo
JaclynW @Cinfhen @BarbaraBB I missed the Stepford Wives buddy read 🙁 but I've done the last 2 reads. I liked both The Elementals and Fight Club. I agree with others about Fight Club being more psychological and Elementals more horror (campy, yes). I think Stepford Wives would be more MY kind of book than the other two so I've got to read it someday. I have it, just need to carve out the time. I've read 2 other books from that author and LOVED them both!! 2mo
JaclynW @Cinfhen Count me in for #BelowZer00s ! 2mo
BarbaraBB @JaclynW Yay! You can still nominate a book from the 00s - see @Cinfhen ‘s page! 2mo
JaclynW @BarbaraBB Great! Thanks! I will start thinking. 2mo
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I‘m a cookbook junkie! This is one of the new ones I got for Christmas this year and I‘m really enjoying playing around with it. So far I‘ve made Sloppy Joes, Watergate Salad, and Chicken a la King.

mhillis Watergate salad! This was a hot topic for the #stepfordsummerparty 5mo
BeckyLeJ @mhillis I wish I hadn‘t missed out on that! 5mo
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The Elementals | Michael McDowell
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Question 4: This is for those who participated in #StepfordSummerParty 💕 Did you prefer one book more than the other? Do you consider Stepford Wives horror after reading this novel? #Helloween #80sParty

Cinfhen I personally enjoyed Stepford Wives more. I thought the story was creepy without any over the top antics. All subtleties were left to your own imagination. It was also the implied messages that I found more menacing and thought provoking. I would call both these novels #HorrorLite 7mo
Librarybelle I agree with you, @Cinfhen . I much preferred Stepford Wives over The Elementals. I like the name #HorrorLite ...both had potential elements (no pun intended), so I can see where there is a spook factor in both, but I was by far more creeped out by Stepford Wives. 7mo
Cinfhen I also felt Ira Levin wrote a better story @Librarybelle 7mo
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AmyG Oh, I love Ira Levin, so I have to go with Stepford Wives. I love books where odd or supernatural things happen to every day people. For me it‘s about whether the story is believable or not. Stepford was more believable to me. 7mo
Cinfhen I‘m tempted to read @AmyG 7mo
AmyG READ IT. And see the movie. 💕 7mo
batsy For me, both were really good and unexpected reads 👍🏽 Levin was less campy than I expected, and McDowell was more so. I thought The Stepford Wives was chilling in real world terms but The Elementals was imaginative and creepy. Horror as a genre operates in the realm of fantasy, as well, and in that vein The Elementals intrigued me :) 7mo
TrishB @batsy agreed 👍🏻there is a very grey area of horror/fantasy! 7mo
Bookzombie I really enjoyed them both equally for different reasons. I think Stepford Wives falls into the horror genre quite easily. As @batsy said it‘s very chilling in real world terms. The Elementals is probably what most people think when they think horror, but the horror genre is quite broad in my opinion. 🙂 7mo
DebinHawaii Stepford Wives is a sentimental favorite due to my love for Levin, plus I think it was a subtler but more chilling creepy rather than the gothic camp of The Elementals & thus more scary. I did enjoy them both though and like that in both, much was left to the imagination. And I would like to see The Elementals as a movie too--I think it has some great possibilities in the right hands. (And yes, @Cinfhen read & watch Rosemary's Baby!) 😉😱 7mo
Cinfhen Will definitely be adding Rosemary‘s Baby to my infinite TBR @DebinHawaii @AmyG and Happy Birthday 🎊🎂🎁🎈 @AmyG 7mo
bookandbedandtea I liked both books and would consider both to be #HorrorLite They both creeped me out in different ways. Stepford Wives was a little scarier to me because the evil was human. And so personal! I would still like a book from Walter's perspective because I just can't understand his actions. 7mo
peaknit I think I liked Stepford better because it seemed, while bizarre, more plausible. I found the southern language a little...patronizing? Overdone? I‘m not sure I could read “gone” for “going” one more time. I love a southern accent on audio but reading it in print is tedious for me for some reason. 7mo
Bklover I think Stepford Wives was creepier. Plus I kept having trouble believing that a 13 girl would voluntarily go into a house that her dad was afraid of. Between that and the weird occasional nudity I just kept getting pulled out of the story too often. 7mo
Reviewsbylola I actually liked Elementals better. The characters were more fleshed out for me and I was really drawn to them. 7mo
Pamwurtzler I think Stepford was overall a better creepy read. I liked the family in The Elementals better than the people in Stepford though. 7mo
CarolynM Stepford Wives had a lot more substance and better writing. It left me much more unsettled than this one without any explicit violence at all. I'll still be thinking about Stepford long after I've forgotten Beldame. 7mo
Mdargusch I would definitely consider Stepford Wives as a type of horror book. I definitely loved the better developed characters in the Elementals like @Reviewsbylola 7mo
GripLitGrl Horror lite sums them both up perfectly! The stepford wifes was more unsettling horror leaving you to imagine how scary it escalated to. The Elemental was more the horror I am used to in reading the build up was a bit slow but the ending was the build up the length was perfect 100 more pages I would've grew bored 7mo
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#ReadingResolutions #JuneWrapUp 📚

June was a busy month for me & less audio books while working made for a lower number of books read/finished, but I read some really good ones. I limited myself to 4 favorites below-but there were several more I could add to that list. Several books started & not finished & I remain behind on reviews-both here & Goodreads.😬
Loved the #stepfordsummerparty buddy read with @Cinfhen & a great group of Littens.☀️💛

whatshesreadingnow Fabulous June stats! 😁 11mo
sudi 👏👏👏 11mo
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The Stepford Wives | Ira Levin
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Look what showed up today, only a week late for @Cinfhen 's #stepfordsummerparty ☹️ I'm glad I downloaded the e-book as media mail & Hawaii just don't mix very well. I ordered it on June 1st from Book Depository & the order processed & shipped on the 4th, so almost 4 weeks to travel. Oh well, was only $5, it will be nice for my shelves & I can read the Chuck Palahniuk intro as the e-book is Peter Straub. #lookingonthebrightside

CarolynM Worth the $5 for the bookmark! 11mo
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The Stepford Wives | Ira Levin
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It‘s #Recommendsday! If you enjoy a creepy, provocative, suspenseful social commentary, particularly dealing with society‘s treatment of women, read this. The author doesn‘t spell everything out, and leaves things open to interpretation, which encourages deeper thought. All in all a good story, I‘m glad I read it. Thanks @Cinfhen ! Now to watch the films. 📽🎞

LibrarianRyan Love Dita von Tese. Great picture choice. 11mo
BookBabe @LibrarianRyan thanks! She designed my eyewear. 👓 😉 11mo
Cinfhen Love this photo and your book review❣️❣️we are doing an 80s themed buddy read in October if you care to join in #HELLoWeen ☠️ 11mo
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Avanders We just picked this as one of our book group reads (rl) last night! 💖 11mo
BookBabe @Cinfhen thank you! 😊 This was a super fun buddy read! Thank you for hosting it. 💕 And thanks for the invite to the HELLoWEEN one...I just might take you up on that! 😁 11mo
BookBabe @Avanders ooh, goody! Maybe I should suggest this for one of our book clubs...I bet you‘ll have a great discussion! 🙌🏻 11mo
Avanders @BookBabe ooh definitely!! Honestly I was surprised it was picked .. I'm excited!! 11mo
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Horror Films of the 1980s | John Kenneth Muir
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Since #StepfordSummerParty was a total blast I‘m throwing another party and you‘re ALL INVITED 🎈🎈🎈#HELLoWeen October 25 - 28, 2018❣️I‘m asking you to suggest some classic 80s horror reads ( preferably under 350 pages) and we can chose our next group read👻🤡☠️ If you thought the 70s were fun, welcome to the 80s 🤸‍♂️🤸‍♀️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♀️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♀️

Cinfhen I‘m thinking you might be interested @Lizpixie 11mo
MinDea Me me me! I want to join! This sounds awesome! 11mo
TrishB I was about to start typing and then saw 350 pages .....will go away and check 😁 sounds like great fun. 11mo
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CarolynM I'm in! 11mo
batsy Fun!! I'm so in! Off to do some research 🤓 11mo
Cinfhen Excellent, I‘m putting together the guest list @MinDea @TrishB @CarolynM @batsy ❤️ 11mo
Cathythoughts I‘m in 👍🏻❤️ 11mo
BookwormAHN I'm in 🖤 11mo
MrsV Can I join? 11mo
Cinfhen Yay!!! Our first suggestion @BookwormAHN 💕and glad to have some new party guests @MrsV and my old time friend @Cathythoughts 11mo
mabell I'm a total weenie, so I may have to just spectate this one! (While peeking through my fingers) 😳 11mo
CoffeeAndABook Count me in!!! I‘m such a scaredy-cat, I‘m not sure I can contribute book suggestions but I promise I‘ll read along with you guys by my side 😬😬😬 👻👻👻 And the 80s!!! I was there full on!! While the 70s were childishly cute for me, the 80s were in my bones, as painful as it gets music-, fashion- & especially hair-wise!!! This is going to be so much fun 🎀 11mo
Cinfhen Hahahahaha, me too @mabell so I‘m hoping we can agree on something scary BUT not blood curling! I think @erzascarletbookgasm book choice is meant to be horror-lite😗so that might be a good option for us weenies 😜 11mo
erzascarletbookgasm @mabell @CoffeeAndABook @Cinfhen I‘m a scaredy-cat too, that‘s why I suggested a ‘mild‘ one! 😄 Depending on the choice of book, I may have to sit this out till the next party. 11mo
Cathythoughts Is Frankenstein long ? Would that be an option. ? Maybe @TrishB a short book ? ( novella) by SK ?? 11mo
Lizpixie I got you @Cinfhen 11mo
Cinfhen I knew I could count on my #greeneyedpixie @Lizpixie 💚 11mo
batsy @mabell Me too! I'm hoping whatever we read is not too gory 😆 11mo
batsy Love the idea of a good haunted house horror so I'm suggesting this one published in 1988 :) 11mo
batsy Also tagging @Reggie and @rohit-sawant because I think #HELLoWEEN screams their name 😁 11mo
Reggie @TrishB did they make good horror back then that was anything less than 500 pgs.? Lol I wanted to suggest Stinger by Robert McCammon but it sits at 542 pgs. I‘m totally up for this though, @batsy. 11mo
Librarybelle @erzascarletbookgasm @mabell @CoffeeAndABook @Cinfhen @batsy Consider me a squeamish one as well! I stay away from a lot of horror, so depending upon the book choice, I may have to bow out of this one. 👻 Sorry - can‘t offer any suggestions - I‘m a tad more in tune with gothic horror (Poe)! 11mo
thereadingowlvina Oh count me in please! 😁 11mo
Pamwurtzler Count me in!! 11mo
SledgeReader I‘m with the squeamish team. But don‘t let me hold the group back! 👻 11mo
Velvetsun Ooh I want to be included. 11mo
Reviewsbylola Fun!! I don‘t have any suggestions so I‘m excited to see what gets chosen! 11mo
Mdargusch I have to join in for the 80‘s theme but I‘m not a big horror fan. This will be a fun way to get into a new genre 11mo
Bookzombie Count me in! I will have to look for some suggestions. 👻🎃💀 11mo
GripLitGrl 🙌🙌count me in such fun! The only one I can think of that's not too long 11mo
RealLifeReading I don‘t read much horror but I do make an exception for Halloween 🎃 11mo
RealLifeReading I just found this Japanese horror novel - written in the 80s but only translated into English in 2017. Nothing scares me more than Japanese horror! 11mo
RealLifeReading Night Things sounds good @batsy 11mo
batsy @RealLifeReading I have that on my TBR and didn't realise it was written in the 80s! Nice. True, I expect Japanese horror to be terrifying (which is why I've been putting it off 😅) 11mo
peaknit I was looking around and remember Different Seasons by Stephen King, my own 80‘s obsession😂 it has four novellas, 3 whichbecame movies, we all know Shawshank Redemption and Stand by Me, then Apt Pupil was also a movie. Leaving Breathing Method, but it‘s only 60+ pages, maybe The Body (Stand by Me) and Breathing Method? I loved that whole book, wore the pages out in 7th grade! That said, Night Things also sounds interesting. Excited! (edited) 11mo
Cinfhen Thanks for the suggestions @RealLifeReading @peaknit @GripLitGrl @batsy I‘ll compile a list and then put it to vote! So glad you‘re all back in @Mdargusch @Reviewsbylola @Pamwurtzler @Librarybelle @SledgeReader @Bookzombie It looks like most of us prefer horror-lite 😜 11mo
Cinfhen So glad for new faces @Velvetsun @thereadingowlvina @reggie 😍 11mo
Reviewsbylola I actually prefer as gory as possible but I see that I‘m in the minority. 🤣🤣 11mo
bookandbedandtea I'm team squeamish but when you guys finalize your choice I'll see if I think I can handle it. 👾 11mo
DebinHawaii Late to the party as usual. I saw this last night but sleep beckoned harder. 😉I'm in, but struggling with a book recommendation that's under 350 pages & from the 80s, readily available now, that isn't a total gore-fest. There's this one which is first in a series and I haven't read although it gets good reviews on Amazon. And it put I Wear My Sunglasses at Night in my head. 😎👂🏻🐛 Oh-it was first published in 1989 too so right on the cusp. (edited) 11mo
TrishB @Reggie I haven‘t found any yet! 11mo
TrishB I‘m not squeamish !! Will give most things a go! 11mo
Cinfhen Love you @DebinHawaii and love that song by Corey Hart but I don‘t think I can handle a vampire book 🤪 11mo
mabell I agree with @Librarybelle - gothic horror may be more my speed! I'm looking forward to seeing what is chosen and whether I think I can handle it 😬 I can't wait for the 80s posts! 😎 11mo
DebinHawaii @Cinfhen It's OK. I love you too. 😍😆That's all I got at the moment that hasn't been mentioned. 80s horror was a lot about the page count. I'll try to look for something else later if I get a minute. 11mo
DebinHawaii I probably lean to #TeamGore with @Reviewsbylola and @TrishB 😱😆 11mo
TrishB Not read that one! Looks good 👍🏻 11mo
DebinHawaii Works for me! 👍 11mo
LeahBergen Count me in! 11mo
LeahBergen The Elementals sounds great (I may have read it back in the day 🤔). I love a good haunted house story. 👻 11mo
Bookzombie I second @RealLifeReading on Graveyard Apartment! Also, Night Things @batsy posted. 11mo
Bookzombie I lean toward #teamgore. 😁 11mo
Cinfhen Woohoo 🎉🙌🏻💜 @LeahBergen NOW the party‘s getting started !!!!!! 11mo
Cinfhen I‘m gonna whittle down the list a bit and put it up for vote tomorrow @Bookzombie 👻 11mo
GripLitGrl Nice suggestions so far looking forward to seeing what we end up with👻🎑🙌 11mo
Bookzombie @Cinfhen That‘s great! Thank you for putting this together again! 11mo
BluestockingDuchess This will be fun! 11mo
peaknit #nerdalert I just entered this buddy read into my calendar! 11mo
Bklover Oh this sounds like fun! I missed the discussion but read all about it (I‘m vacationing with my oldest daughter). This next one should be great! Can‘t wait! 11mo
bookandbedandtea @Cinfhen @DebinHawaii @TrishB @Reggie @Reviewsbylola @mabell I went to look up The Elementals and I accidentally one-clicked it! 😯 So if that's the one that gets picked I'll try to participate despite being #TeamSqueamish ! 11mo
TrishB @bookandbedandtea accidentally one-clicked - love it 💕😁 11mo
Cinfhen Oh Man @bookandbedandtea I‘ve done that before🤪it‘s gonna get my vote so 🤞🏼🤞🏼that the others vote for it too!!! I bet if you contact Amazon, they will credit you. 11mo
vivastory I'm definitely down for a horror read! I see The Elementals has gotten a lot of mentions. That's been on my TBR for awhile now! 11mo
Reggie I kinda wanna 3rd @RealLifeReading. When I looked up best 80‘s horror fiction that book was in the top ten. 11mo
ElishaLovesBooks Oh boy! I‘m the biggest scaredy-cat. I once started reading a Dean Koontz while I was babysitting in the 90‘s and have been traumatized ever since! 😱😳 I may be open to it if it‘s not too scary! #imabigbaby 11mo
bookandbedandtea @TrishB @Cinfhen I was on a business call and didn't realize it at first, then was pretty annoyed at myself! But I decided to keep it. Maybe, if it's the one, reading it with a group will make it easier. 11mo
bookandbedandtea @ElishaLovesBooks Same! I read something when I was a teen (blocked the name due to trauma I guess! Or maybe because it was so long ago! 🤔) then couldn't sleep for days. #scaredycatsunite 11mo
asiriusreader Awesome, I‘m in!! 11mo
ValerieAndBooks Maybe something by V.C. Andrews? I remember her being popular during the 1980s! 11mo
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Stepford Wives | Ira Levin
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#StepfordSummerParty FINAL QUESTION

5. Let‘s talk about the ending! Did you like that it‘s left to your own imagination? Do you think Bobbie had a physical hand in eliminating Joanna? Any other final thoughts/ comments? THANK YOU ALL for the funniest 4 days 😘😘

And to all who did not join, sorry we clogged your feed with endless 70s nostalgia 🕺☮️

mabell Thank so much for an awesome time @Cinfhen ! You were the perfect Stepford hostess, and I have had so much fun!!! 💃👯🕺😘 11mo
Cinfhen I‘m so glad @mabell Thank you!! 11mo
peaknit I really enjoyed this quick and nostalgic read, I probably missed out if I wasn‘t lured in by the 70‘s recipes😂 I would not have chosen this book on my own...for no reason really...so thank you! 11mo
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peaknit I felt like Bobbie was definitely part of the plan in the end (once she turned to the dark side) at least to trick her into trusting long enough to be caught by the men. 11mo
Pamwurtzler I did like the way it ended - that contributed to the creepy factor. In the alternate ending that exists in my head, Bobbi and Joanna get away and then someone infiltrates the club to find out what‘s going on. 11mo
Pamwurtzler Thanks @Cinfhen for hosting this! It was a fun few days! 11mo
C.Perone The 70s nostalgia was GOLDEN!!!! I really enjoyed it as a non-participant 😊😊 11mo
mabell I like the version that exists in your head @Pamwurtzler ! Get away! Expose the evil plot! 😂 11mo
DebinHawaii Thank you for hosting! It was good nostalgic fun. Brilliant job! In one sense I really liked the slight ambiguity of the ending & how chilling it was. I think Royal reading the Men in Groups book & cleaning his pipe & that last line... and Ruthanne!s 'or I won't enjoy the weekend' ...😱 So powerful! But it drives me a bit nuts too. I want to know if Walter had any regrets or second thoughts, what the kids thought, etc... So many ??? 🤔😆so it ... 11mo
Cinfhen I thought Levin was a genius at setting a mood without any words or gory details @peaknit @Pamwurtzler @mabell in so few pages he manages to convey so much. The book alludes that Bobbie holding the huge butcher knife may have been the one to silence Joanna. That was heartbreaking. I like @Pamwurtzler alternate ending too 11mo
DebinHawaii ...was probably the right way to end the book. It would have been a different story with more explanations and reasoning behind it. And I do think Bobbie went to the dark side (as much as a robot can) but probably in a way of 'helping' the men and Joanna to achieve this 'perfect' life. 11mo
Cinfhen I‘m glad you enjoyed as an “outsider” @C.Perone 💕💕💕 11mo
Cinfhen I remember feeling terrible when Bobbie‘s boys tell Joanna how much they prefer the new Bobbie. The one who stays home, bakes cookies and doesn‘t yell😢😢😢 11mo
Cinfhen I too would probably have never picked up this book @peaknit so I‘m glad to share this with you all @Pamwurtzler @DebinHawaii you guys made this party a blast 11mo
Librarybelle This was so much fun, @Cinfhen ! Thank you! I was so hoping Joanna would escape; part of me thinks that Ruthanne may get away (crossing fingers on that one!). Yes, Bobbie did go to the dark side...the men coached the robot to take care of Joanna. I wanted to scream at Joanna not to trust Bobbie, not to go towards her. I do wish the Men‘s Association was exposed. Sigh... 11mo
TrishB I enjoyed watching from the sidelines 👍🏻 11mo
mabell @Cinfhen Bobbie's boy saying that just about broke my heart. Is Levin saying that no matter the age, boys/men only look for the necessities from women - feed me, keep a nice home? 11mo
CoffeeAndABook I thought the ending was brilliant!! So heartbreaking that it was probably Bobbie who wielded the knife. I think it‘s highly symbolic to what is actually happening. The men leisurely standing by, letting the women do the dirty work of slaughtering each other. Isn‘t it so chillingly true? Isn‘t a huge part of the pressure women feel and the frenzie of „being it all“ mostly because we‘re so hard on each other, always in competition with each other?? 11mo
Cinfhen Thanks @TrishB you‘ll have to join my 2019 summer party....book TBD 11mo
Cinfhen I feel like RuthAnne is definitely the next victim @Librarybelle 😫and yes, so typical: men have their perfect robot kill her best friend (edited) 11mo
CoffeeAndABook Wow, yes, @mabell , that might be exactly what he‘s saying ... and I agree, it was very sad coming from Bobbie‘s son. 11mo
CoffeeAndABook And @Cinfhen I‘d also like to thank you - this was a fabulous buddyread, reading this book was such an enrichment, your party was the best!! ☀️👗🍸🌸 I loved being a part of it (except yesterday 😢I was completely booked), you were the perfect host, thoughtful and fun!! I‘d do some #daytimedrinking with you again in a heartbeat 😘🍷🍷 11mo
bookandbedandtea Despite my usual desire for information, I liked that we aren't shown the transformation and are left to assume that the men had Bobbie do their dirty work. It increased the menace of an already disturbing story. Thanks for hosting this @Cinfhen I doubt I'd have read it otherwise and I truly enjoyed it. 11mo
Bookzombie Thank you for hosting this @Cinfhen ! It was a blast to reread. I like the way that Levin left this to our imagination. I think the book would have had to be quite different if he had wrapped it up in some other way. I don‘t think I thought about Bobbie taking out Joanna when I read it the first time. It makes sense though. The women are programmed to be devoted to their husbands and do their bidding, I think. 11mo
Bookzombie I‘m going to have to rewatch the movies. I was on Wikipedia and there were also three TV movies. Revenge of the Stepford Wives, The Stepford Children, and The Stepford Husbands. I feel like I remember seeing The Stepford Children when I was a kid. 11mo
Cinfhen You girls were the best BuddyRead buddies🙌🏻 thanks so much @Bookzombie @bookandbedandtea and here‘s to plenty more #daydrinking experiences @CoffeeAndABook 🍷🍷🍷🍷 11mo
mabell @Bookzombie @Librarybelle Yes, doing the husbands' bidding, or Bobbie thinking "I'm so much better. I want to help Joanna be her best too" 11mo
TrishB Will look forward to it 👍🏻 11mo
Cinfhen I was thinking about the children @Bookzombie especially the daughters.....what happens to them? (edited) 11mo
Bookzombie @Cinfhen I know! Maybe they think they can train them since they are all young. They will follow their mom‘s patterns. Or maybe they plan to replace them when they are older? So disturbing. 11mo
GripLitGrl Excellent points @CoffeeNBooks @mabell i do love have you were left to come to you own conclusions on what happened it made it that much better of a read. especially since some of it's still relevant today. Sorry i was late to questions. Thanks for hosting this super fun buddy read @Cinfhen i dont think i would've read the book if it weren't for you. Had a blast partying with all of you👗🍸#StepfordSummerParty 11mo
Cinfhen 😘😘 @GripLitGrl you have a permanent invite to all my parties 11mo
Mdargusch Oh my gosh! This has been so much fun @Cinfhen - thank you for hosting such a great party! As for Bobbie, I‘m assuming those dirty men could program her to do whatever they wanted! Of course they would rather have a robot kill her. 🤖🤖🤖 11mo
Mdargusch Ps, I hope I‘m invited to your next party! 11mo
Cinfhen After bailing on #LoneDove and #Dunces and struggling with #GWTW Im glad we found a book to bond over @Mdargusch 💜 11mo
Cinfhen And the WHOLE DARGUSCH family is on my VIP list @Mdargusch 🤩 11mo
Bookzombie I wonder about the friends from New York. Won‘t those friends wonder about the change in Joanna? Are they just going to cut off contact? Also, her parents were mentioned. Her mom even tells Joanna she could take a page out of the neighbor‘s book or something like that. What about the rest of the world? 11mo
RealLifeReading I joined in pretty late but it was such fun all the same! Thank you so much @Cinfhen for this! The book has been on my TBR for a far too long time and this was the kick I needed to actually read it. I think I was scarred by the Nicole Kidman movie 😂😂 11mo
Reviewsbylola It‘s funny, because I remember the movie being much more clear cut. Having that ending already in my head, I kind of filled in Levin‘s ambiguousness that way. 😂 11mo
CarolynM I think the atmosphere of the book, the menace and creeping dread, came from not knowing what was really going on, knowing something was very wrong with these people but not how or why. The ambiguity of the ending was consistent. Also, I think it's that not knowing the details that makes your mind keep turning it over once you've finished reading. 11mo
CarolynM @Cinfhen @mabell @CoffeeAndABook I think the view expressed by Bobbie's children is probably a fairly accurate representation of the way children see their mothers (and fathers and other care givers for that matter). Their immaturity means they relate everything to their own comfort and convenience. I think Levin included this bit very deliberately to highlight the immaturity of the desire for a "perfect" wife. 11mo
CarolynM Thank you so much @cinfhen for throwing such a fun party. It's been a blast! I've only thrown in a couple of comments in the discussion because I didn't have a lot to add to the excellent points already made by the others. It's been lovely to read and party with such an interesting and insightful group. (edited) 11mo
mabell @CarolynM What a terrific point! I love that! It's a very plausible explanation! 11mo
SledgeReader This has been so much fun! I wish I hadn‘t been derailed today with summer Sunday realities! @Cinfhen is a fabulous hostess! I won‘t say “perfect” because that‘s the last thing I want to put on my friends after reading Stepford Wives. 🤪 it was heartbreaking to see Bobbie‘s role in the demise of Joanna. (I think she did it, Friends. It was a BIG knife.) And I think the process perpetually repeats itself. 11mo
GripLitGrl @Cinfhen 😊 thanks so much I'll be at all the ones i can make it to! They are too fun to pass up💕💕 11mo
erzascarletbookgasm I know the 2004 film was different from the book (saw the film years ago), so like @Pamwurtzler I was hoping for a different ending. 😆But I like how the book ended, Levin is brilliant. I think the ending is my favourite part- the horror of it, the living doll wives can be ‘programmed‘ or persuaded to do what the husbands command. 11mo
erzascarletbookgasm In my interpretation, Bobbie killed Joanna, and those men (forgot their names) just stood to watch/wait and prepare to clean up the mess by getting the car ready! 11mo
erzascarletbookgasm I had a fabulous time with this party! All the buddy readers are fun and interactive, provided much excellent points & views. Thanks so much Cindy, you‘ve been a terrific host, well organised, interesting discussion topics, with fun prelude before the discussion day. Make sure I‘m in your next party‘s guest list! 😘 11mo
Cinfhen More insightful comments @CarolynM I‘m so glad your library had a copy!! And I‘m soooo happy you joined the party! I look forward to our next party @erzascarletbookgasm @RealLifeReading @SledgeReader and all my buddy readers...my party planning wheels are spinning🤗🤗🤗 11mo
batsy @CarolynM Nicely put about Bobbie's son's comment and relating that to the immaturity of the men's thinking. How terrifying it is when grown men with power and physical strength think like children. 11mo
batsy Thank you Cindy & everyone, I had a blast ? I didn't know what to expect with the book & it was riveting. I do think Bobbie might have been a "tool" in the elimination of Joanna :( To me, the ending was chilling & effective. Aside from the overt feminist issues he was dealing with, I also think that Levin captured a lot of the underlying anxieties of 70s-era American society; changing social norms, politics, environment. All in this slim book! 11mo
mhillis I like ambiguous endings so it worked for me. Thanks for hosting such a great party!! 11mo
asiriusreader @Cinfhen An awesome party! Thanks for being such a perfect host. I hope that I can join in the fun on the next one! I agree with all of you who said Bobbie likely wielded the knife against Joanna. Only makes sense, given that she was now a robot controlled by the men who needed a dirty job done. I wonder who did the ‘jobs‘ when the husbands would have their wives at home for a weekend? Did they always have a wife do it? And I also wonder about ... 11mo
asiriusreader ...the Stepford daughters. What fates awaited them? Again, thanks @Cinfhen !! 11mo
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#StepfordSummerParty Discussion Question 4

4. Stepford is portrayed as an artificial , affluent, white, upper crust utopia so how about the inclusion of an African American family being introduced into the novel? How do you think that was received upon publication in 1971? Did you notice in both films (1975, 2004) RuthAnne Hendry is omitted as a character?!

mabell I don't remember the movie that well, but could RuthAnne/black family moving in have been replaced by the gay male couple moving in? i.e. "Different" moving into the neighborhood? Or were they included to show it isn't gender-based, but rather the desire to change your significant other into what you think they should be? (edited) 11mo
peaknit I was surprised when I read the line “what do you know, Black is bearable” from Ruthanne near the end. Like that seems awfully unsophisticated and even had a momentary thought did Joanna get morphed into Ruthanne somehow? But then, I realized it was actually Ruthanne. This couple seemed somehow to fit in with this subculture in spite of their color with careers, lifestyle, etc. I wonder what 1971 women thought of it. 11mo
Pamwurtzler I still need to re-watch - I‘d forgotten that RuthAnne wasn‘t written into the movie version. 11mo
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Cinfhen I believe so @mabell but I still found that omission pretty shocking. I don‘t remember that exact line @peaknit but I remember that Ruthanne made the assumption that she was being given the cold shoulder because of her skin color and Joanna sort of assures her that it‘s not about race. 11mo
Cinfhen It‘s interesting to me @Pamwurtzler because in the book JoAnna is trying to escape to RuthAnne‘s home and that whole scene in the movie was changed. 11mo
peaknit @Cinfhen the line is near the end when Ruthanne runs into the new Joanna, it really struck a nerve for me. (Page 120 of my kindle version) (edited) 11mo
Pamwurtzler @Cinfhen yes that makes me wonder too. 11mo
DebinHawaii It is interesting that both movies left her out but both majorly changed the endings. I think the gay couple in the second film replaced Charmaine. @peaknit That line struck me too. I wondered if the inclusion of Ruthanne and her husband was Levin making a point of saying "ALL men are alike and ALL men want the Barbie robot wife." 11mo
CoffeeAndABook I need to (re) watch both movies but I‘m surprised about the omission as well. I definitely felt Levin was making a statement about race & class in general but also would agree with @DebinHawaii about it being a statement about „all men being the same“. Wow, this discussion is so interesting!! 11mo
peaknit @DebinHawaii great point! 11mo
Librarybelle I‘ve not seen either film in their entirety, so I may have to remedy that soon... I think it addresses further change in society - women are fighting for their rights and other groups are also fighting for a voice. Honestly, I cannot see the Stepford men opening arms to Mr Henry, but maybe they‘re more inclusive than I think they would be. 11mo
bookandbedandtea I haven't seen the films but I was quite surprised when Ruthanne was introduced in the book because it felt like Stepford as a community would have issues with a black family moving in. But if we're right that the men know what happens in this town before they move their families there it must mean that Mr Henry had been recruited. So I think Levin must have included them to say all men would rather their wives be bideable & unthreatening. 11mo
Bookzombie I didn‘t remember that the original movie left Ruthanne out. I agree with @DebinHawaii about Levin possibly trying to point out all men are alike. I didn‘t question the men welcoming Ruthanne‘s husband. I think there has to be some sort of recruitment going on. I think when I read the part where Ruthanne asks her husband to take the kids for dinner, I could feel his reluctance to having to do such a thing. (edited) 11mo
mabell @bookandbedandtea @DebinHawaii I think you're exactly right! 11mo
Cinfhen Wow 😮 what a scary thought @bookandbedandtea and I think @Librarybelle is hitting on something else...women who were liberated were still fighting to survive, just like African Americans who were finally given full rights were still fighting to be recognized as equals 11mo
Cinfhen @debinhawaii yes, the gay couple is probably a replacement for Charmaine and I thought that was an interesting twist but to keep Stepford all white on screen in 2004 seemed shocking 11mo
DebinHawaii @Cinfhen It's on Showtime later today and I'm DVRing it. I watched it a couple months ago but it was before reading the book so I honestly wasn't focused on looking at the demographics, but yes, it does seem shocking they wouldn't have added more diversity in 2004. I need to watch the original again too--I've seen it several times but not in years. 11mo
Cinfhen That seems like it was meant to be @DebinHawaii it‘s really a comedy and a MUCH different book than what we read. I‘ll be curious to hear your thoughts after watching the movie 🍿 11mo
Cinfhen @Librarybelle do you have ShowTime @DebinHawaii said the Kidman version of Stepford is on Showtime today!!! 11mo
Librarybelle @Cinfhen No, but it‘s good to know! 11mo
Mdargusch I thought it was so refreshing for a black family to be included in the neighborhood but then Ruthanne had to feel shunned by the robots and not know if it was because of the color of her skin. I agree with @bookandbedandtea that if he was recruited, then that was the message. No matter what the color of your skin is, you want a perfect wife. 11mo
DebinHawaii @Cinfhen Yes! When I watched it the first time it was based on my knowledge of the first movie & it was completely opposite. So interesting the different ways Hollywood took the book. I need to look and see the f it says what Levin thought--at least of the first one. Was he around for the second? 🤔 I think of Rosemary's Baby where Roman Polanski was so faithful to Levin's book but I read somewhere that he thought he had to be. I'm such a geek! 🤓 11mo
RealLifeReading Yes I was really surprised when Ruthanne made her appearance in the book! I had seen the Kidman movie a long time ago but I remember it being a very white show. 11mo
SledgeReader I‘m still leaning towards @CoffeeAndABook and the idea it‘s about society as a whole. It feels like Levin was addressing the concepts of class and race from the perspective of control. And that those in power dictate influence. Maybe I‘m reading too much into it. Regardless it‘s messed up and I think the author was sending a wake up call. I hope I get a chance to see the movie soon! 11mo
erzascarletbookgasm @DebinHawaii and @bookandbedandtea have a very good point about Levin trying to say all men in general want the non-subversive wife. The 2004 film omitted Ruthanne but introduced a gay couple. Perhaps the film is trying to show that society has ‘progressed‘ in acceptance of metrosexuals and gays? 11mo
CarolynM @erzascarletbookgasm Do you think the film was also hinting that even in non traditional domestic relationships there is still a desire by one partner to be served by the other? Or conversely, that such an idea is specific to the nuclear family model? 11mo
Cinfhen Excellent point @CarolynM @erzascarletbookgasm although I‘m pretty sure the film was only looking for laughs and making $😜I don‘t think the filmmakers had any other agenda. 11mo
batsy Great point @bookandbedandtea and that's really interesting @erzascarletbookgasm. This is such an interesting aspect to think about... Maybe Levin is suggesting that class and patriarchy trump race, in this sense? At the end of the day, all of these upwardly mobile middle-class husbands want the same prototype of a wife... 11mo
asiriusreader I love reading all your responses—such a thoughtful discussion! I think @DebinHawaii may have hit the nail on the head (and others followed up) with the idea that all men would prefer a subservient wife, no matter their race, class, or status. You all reminded me I need to watch both movie versions! 11mo
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