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Under the Banner of Heaven
Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith | Jon Krakauer
Jon Krakauers literary reputation rests on insightful chronicles of lives conducted at the outer limits. He now shifts his focus from extremes of physical adventure to extremes of religious belief within our own borders, taking readers inside isolated American communities where some 40,000 Mormon Fundamentalists still practice polygamy. Defying both civil authorities and the Mormon establishment in Salt Lake City, the renegade leaders of these Taliban-like theocracies are zealots who answer only to God.At the core of Krakauers book are brothers Ron and Dan Lafferty, who insist they received a commandment from God to kill a blameless woman and her baby girl. Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this appalling double murder, Krakauer constructs a multi-layered, bone-chilling narrative of messianic delusion, polygamy, savage violence, and unyielding faith. Along the way he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of Americas fastest growing religion, and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief.From the Trade Paperback edition.
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eanderson
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Going into this book I knew there would be A LOT of history not so much on the crime itself. I do wish there was more but I enjoyed learning more about FLDS and how the brothers got into some really fanatical beliefs. It blew my mind that they believed God gave them revelations to kill. Not random people but people that may have crossed one particular brother. 🤔 3.5-4 🌟

Jennaree3 Just picked this one up after seeing they're making it into a movie. Interested to read it! Most reviews are lukewarm 4w
Reynosa8701 The show on Hulu is great! 4w
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jackilynn
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I have time to kill before I head into work so I am gonna kick back with an iced coffee and the latest Crimes & Cocktails book club pick. I have until next week to finish this one but I have been struggling. It just isn't pulling me in like the previous months picks. I really want to watch the show though so I NEED to finish it!

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eanderson
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Finally digging into #20in4 with Under the Banner of Heaven. Lots of history! 😊

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jackilynn
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Housework and audiobooking, although I am beginning to think maybe I shouldn't be listening to this at a semi loud volume with my windows open. 🤔😬

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MicheleinPhilly
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Mehso-so

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a sure fire way to get me to read books that have been languishing on my shelves for YEARS is to make a series or film adaptation of said books. I was expecting a 5 star read but did not realize that the history of Mormonism makes up the majority of the book. 😴 I was initially fascinated but quickly tired of it and began skimming those sections. Now off to Hulu I go!

BarbaraBB I loved this book but I didn‘t know much about Mormonism so to me it all was very exotic and fascinating 😃 1mo
Tamra In this phase of my life, if I haven‘t read the book I watch the film. 😩 But I am usually so glad if I‘ve read the book first. The most recent example is this wonderful piece. 1mo
Jas16 I felt the exact same way reading this recently. 1mo
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MicheleinPhilly @BarbaraBB I‘m not a big fan of organized religion generally and I have very strong feelings about this religion particularly (for reasons I won‘t get into here) so I found it to be a bit of a slog. 1mo
MicheleinPhilly @Tamra Loved both the book and the film! I was disappointed it didn‘t get more love at the Oscars. 1mo
Tamra @MicheleinPhilly I‘m going to add it to my watch list - thank you! 1mo
DogMomIrene Didn‘t even know this one was a film. Thanks! Got something new to watch tonight🙂 1mo
Suet624 I was so mad at what the Mormon men were doing that I stopped reading about 3/4's of the way through. Infuriating! 1mo
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EvieBee
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This is totally readable, but I feel like the title is misleading. It‘s more like the “history” of violent faith. I‘m a history buff, but theology is not an area that I care about at all.

I was shaken to the core by all of the crimes committed in this book. It‘s sickening. It‘s rampant. It‘s wrong. If you read, there are triggers for everything you can think of. That being said, I will def be finishing the show! #truecrime #hulu

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rubyslippersreads I read the book years ago, and am really enjoying the series. 1mo
EvieBee @rubyslippersreads It is so well done! I can‘t wait for the rest of the episodes. 1mo
MicheleinPhilly I‘m reading this now and struggling to stay engaged with the history bits. 1mo
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Megabooks This was interesting and sad. 1mo
EvieBee @Megabooks Definitely! Are you watching the show? 1mo
EvieBee @MicheleinPhilly I know! And it‘s not a small section either—it‘s the whole book! I did those sections on audio with the speed bumped way up! 1mo
Megabooks I am not. I am terrible about watching tv! 1mo
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eanderson
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A little time to relax. I‘m loving this book! No, it‘s nothing like the series on Hulu but I love the information that Jon Krakauer gives. It‘s interesting! Happy Friday! 😋

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Ericalambbrown
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Very well done book. It juxtaposes the horrific murders of a mother and her toddler daughter against the history of the early LDS church that informs the extremist, fundamentalist sects of breakaway LDS groups today. I felt the book was fairly even handed in recounting atrocities both perpetrated upon and by the early Mormons, particularly in my home state of MO. If you are watching the show, don‘t expect the book to follow that track. 👇🏻

Ericalambbrown The police officers depicted in the show were created as a device to bring the stories told in the book to a TV audience. The book is far more “documentary” style with interviews and scholarly historical research. And it‘s not a mystery. You know from the first chapter who commited the murders. (edited) 2mo
ShelleyBooksie Beautiful flowers 2mo
Ericalambbrown @ShelleyBooksie thanks! They are chives that have run amok in my garden 😂 2mo
ShelleyBooksie Beautiful and tasty! I need some chives 2mo
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EvieBee
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The Hulu show based on this book is amazing! But! I can‘t be waiting around each week for new episodes so I bought the book. It‘s so good!

When the new episodes air tomorrow, I don‘t want to be bothered about anything, so I made this pork chop casserole in advance. 😆😉
#truecrime #currentlyreading

vivastory That casserole looks amazing! 2mo
JamieArc I like your line of thinking! 🤣📚 2mo
Leftcoastzen That looks Yummy! 2mo
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Mel I need to know what you put in that casserole - looks delightful! 2mo
sarahbarnes 😂😂😂 2mo
EvieBee @vivastory Thank you, Scott! 2mo
EvieBee @JamieArc All things bookish, right?! 😂 2mo
EvieBee @Leftcoastzen Thank you! 💕 2mo
EvieBee @Mel It‘s really easy! I‘m linking the recipe. I added my own extra spices (poultry seasoning, chicken bouillon powder, paprika, onion and garlic powders) and I sautéed some sweet onions in apple cider vinegar. https://40aprons.com/pork-chop-casserole/ 2mo
EvieBee @sarahbarnes You agree! 🤣💕 2mo
merelybookish I'm impressed! I would resort to frozen pizza.🙂 2mo
Bklover Did you put the sautéed onions in the casserole? (This looks yummy!) 2mo
EvieBee @merelybookish aww, thanks! I have to be in the mood to cook on the regular. It‘s exhausting! 2mo
EvieBee @Bklover Thank you! 💕 I spread them onto the chops before I spread the cream mixture over it. 2mo
batsy Excellent and delicious planning! Is this the show starring Andrew Garfield? I'm really keen to watch it but ofc I have to read the book first 😆 2mo
Christyco125 A woman after my own ♥️ My patience for episodes has been ruined by Netflix and the book is always better. 2mo
Amiable How closely does the show follow the book? I read it a while ago but remembered it as being more nonfiction than a story with a plot. I might have to read it again! 2mo
EvieBee @Christyco125 It‘s ruined me too! Even Netflix will release a few Kdrama episodes per week. All I got was one this week. Sigh! 1mo
EvieBee @Amiable There are some glaring inconsistencies but I guess it made it more tidy. There is just sooo much info in the book and mostly history of the Mormon faith. 1mo
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LiteraryLona
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Krakauer knows what he‘s doing when it comes to research, and relaying it in such an interesting way. It was so easy to fly through this one!

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eanderson
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Struggling big with reading right now so I decided to give into my obsession with the TV series and start this book. I need to know more! 🤣

BookishBelle I‘m watching it too! I‘ll be interested to hear what you think of the book and how it compares to the show. 2mo
EvieBee Okay, me too!! I can‘t handle these interruptions. So I also ordered a copy of the book. 2mo
MicheleinPhilly This is what I‘m reading right now too! Because I can‘t start the show until I do. 🤓 2mo
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BarbaraBB What tv series is that? 2mo
jlhammar Great read! Look forward to trying the adaptation soon. 2mo
EvieBee @BarbaraBB The Hulu adaptation called Under the Banner of Heaven. So good! 2mo
BarbaraBB We don‘t have Hulu here I think. That‘s a pity, I‘m fascinated by the subject! (edited) 2mo
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katcalvin
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Has been on my list for years but the new TV show forced my hand lol. Whether you already know a lot of Mormon history or not this incredibly well researched book will be impossible to put down. Krakauer swiftly covers a large swath of Mormon and particularly Fundamentalist Mormon history from Joseph Smith to the Lafferty brothers. It‘s a book that is still sadly relevant today. After reading I recommend watching Prophet‘s Prey.

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LisaLovesToRead
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Im glad I read this. It made for a great book club discussion, but I really struggled to get through the first 125 pages. After that, it went much quicker. I do feel like I learned a bit. I have more questions & got frustrated a lot, but that‘s life sometimes!

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Squidonland

And if I remain in the dark about our purpose here, and the meaning of eternity, I have nevertheless arrived at an understanding of a few more modest truths: Most of us fear death. Most of us yearn to comprehend how we got here, and why - which is to say, most of us ache to know the love of our creator. And we will no doubt feel that ache, most of us, for as long as we happen to be alive.

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Squidonland

“If you want to know the truth,” he says, squinting against the glare, “I think people within the religion - people who live here in Colorado City - are probably happier, on the whole, than people on the outside.” He looks down at the red sand, scowls, and nudges a rock with the toe of one shoe. “But some things in life are more important than being happy. Like being free to think for yourself.”

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Coleen
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I‘ve really enjoyed Krakauer‘s other books, but this one fell flat for me. Maybe it was the abridgment, maybe it was Krakauer‘s monotone reading voice, maybe it was something else. It just didn‘t pull me in like his others. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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MatchlessMarie
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That moment when the audio file hasn‘t been updated and your book tells you it is continued on disc 2 😂💿 #MarvellousMarch

Andrew65 Happens so often! 4mo
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mdm139
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Well written. Highly disturbing. #19822022 for 2003 @Librarybelle

Librarybelle This is on my to read list! 4mo
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DHill
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I really enjoy Krakauer‘s writing. I‘m looking forward to this one.

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jpj7474

Fascinating. Weaving a compelling story around an historical account of the Mormon faith. It embodies the expression "page-turner."

SamAnne It is a page turner! I picked this up in an airport, forgetting my connection was in SLC. I felt a little self conscious reading this in the SLC airport, LOL. 10mo
jpj7474 @SamAnne That's really funny. Were you trying to hide the cover so no one could see? 10mo
SamAnne @jpj7474 well, I was so engrossed in it I didn‘t make much of an effort…. 10mo
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kwmg40
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This is one scary and disturbing book. The descriptions of the extreme fundamentalists' beliefs and actions are horrifying, but the book also includes a lot of interesting history about the LDS Church.

So far, I've managed 8 hours and 40 minute, for the #20in4 readathon, which is more than I expected to do by this point, so I'm pretty happy about that! @Andrew65

Andrew65 Brilliant 👏👏👏 1y
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Megabooks
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I think if I had read this closer to its publication in 2003, I would‘ve found it more shocking & revolutionary. Between a bunch of Mormon history I got in high school* & the subsequent books written about the Jeffs family, et al., I knew the meat and bones of this story. But the true crime part with Dan and Ron was new-to-me and fascinating. I‘m not usually a fan of true crime, but Krakauer is a fantastic writer. I still like Into Thin Air more.

Megabooks *looking back, I think the high school info was supposed to be anti-Mormon propaganda, but it was surprisingly correct timeline, events, and players-wise. #audiobook #bookspinbingo free space 1y
Cinfhen I‘m glad you reminded me that I want to bump this one up my TBR....I‘m in the middle of Wild ...Cheryl Strayed is lucky to be alive 🙄🙈she‘s making me so anxious 😟 1y
emilyhaldi I enjoyed Into Thin Air a lot more than this one too... but the details of the story sure are fascinating 😮 1y
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vivastory I really need to read more Krakauer. Thin Air is one of my favorite nf of all time 1y
Anna40 Loved Into thin air and adored Into the wild - my favorite book when I was a young adult 1y
Kimberlone I feel like Into Thin Air is pretty universally is best liked book, but I think that this one comes the closest in quality. I was simultaneously fascinated and horrified throughout reading Under the Banner of Heaven (edited) 1y
Megabooks @Cinfhen it is kind of anxiety inducing but while she has tribulations, nothing truly bad happens to her. 1y
Megabooks @emilyhaldi yes, very much so. 1y
Megabooks @vivastory it‘s such a great book. Combines the best of narrative nonfiction and memoir. Banner is really well researched narrative nonfiction. It three stories: a true crime murder, the founding of Mormonism, and an account of some parts of FLDS, although there are more exhaustive books on that topic. 1y
Megabooks @Anna40 I think I would‘ve liked into the wild as teen. 1y
Megabooks @Kimberlone I would have to say I agree with you on all counts. 1y
BarbaraBB I am glad you liked it. I didn‘t know much about LDS (there hardly are any here) so all was new and often shocking for me. I think that was what made it so special for me - and made me googling A LOT! 1y
BarbaraBB Also - you‘ve read this so fast!! 1y
Megabooks @BarbaraBB thanks!! I can read and digest audiobooks so much faster than print, but there is something special about sitting down with a real book. Anyway, for some reason, the unit in American history about smith and young really stuck with me. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I loved history in school. The flds got a lot of coverage around Warren jeffs‘ trial, so the really new stuff was the true crime, but that alone made it worth the read!! 1y
Megabooks @BarbaraBB thanks for moving it up my TBR! 💕💕 1y
BarbaraBB I loved history in school too. Many things I learned then I still remember- just like you! 1y
Reviewsbylola I have a hard time imagining that I could love this one like I do Into Thin Air but I do intend to read it eventually. 1y
Megabooks @Reviewsbylola yeah, into thin air is just special. 1y
Reviewsbylola Definitely one of my top reads of 2020. My mom‘s neighbor has actually been to base camp and I couldn‘t wait to ask him about it once I read the book! He agreed with me that anyone who actually decides to scale Everest is crazy. 😂😂 1y
Megabooks @Reviewsbylola I missed Beck Weathers talking when I was at college and he was family friends with my freshman roommate. Totally should‘ve gone!! 😩 1y
Reviewsbylola Uh yeah!!!!! 1y
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Megabooks
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You know you have celiac when...you have a gf prep area!

Enjoying this gluten-free (but definitely not healthy 😂) breakfast treat while listening to the final part of Under the Banner of Heaven.

#cheerwineandabook

BookishMarginalia I like the pic! 1y
Reagan Excellent book! 1y
Aims42 Love Cheerwine!! I‘m in the Chicago area so anytime we go south (or used to pre-COVID) I‘d have to bring back as much as I could and ration it 😆 1y
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AlaMich I bought some once, never having tried it, but when I got home realized the bagger didn‘t bag it. I‘ve still never had it. 😕 1y
Addison_Reads When I lived in Greenville, SC, I discovered Cheerwine. A BBQ place there even made a Cheerwine sauce. I love both the soda and the sauce. 💚 1y
jessinikkip @Aims42 @AlaMich I didnt know it was just a southern thing! I guess I am extra lucky to live in the South then I just assuned it was everywhere 1y
AlaMich @jessinikkip I actually live in Chicago and they have it here. What does it taste like? (edited) 1y
Megabooks @Reagan it was! Posting a review this afternoon. 1y
Megabooks @Aims42 yes! In Kentucky it‘s even hard to find since it‘s more of a carolinas thing. @AlaMich it tastes like the syrup in cherry pie filling. All cherry, no cola, but it does have caffeine. @Addison_Reads I went to college in NC then lived in SC a couple of years ago and got re-hooked on it! @jessinikkip I love trying regional sodas wherever I go. Here in KY we have sundrop, upper seven, RC and Big Red. 1y
AlaMich Cherry pie is one of my favorite things in life, so clearly the universe wants me to try Cheerwine!! 😁 1y
AlaMich And @Megabooks if you ever come to the Wisconsin/northern Illinois area, you have to try Sprecher sodas, especially root beer. If you are a root beer person, of course. (edited) 1y
Megabooks @AlaMich definitely try Cheerwine!! Thanks for the heads up. I haven‘t been to Chicago since 2006, but I will definitely look for Sprecher! Since I don‘t drink alcohol, I like to treat myself to a different kind of drink wherever I go. 👍🏻 1y
kspenmoll Cheerwine! My southern neighbor introduced me to this yummy drink! 1y
Megabooks @kspenmoll 👍🏻👍🏻 it‘s so good! 1y
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Emilymdxn
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A very comprehensive, disturbing, genre-defying book. I knew a decent amount about Mormonism before but the focus on plural marriage here had a lot of new content for me, and linking this specific murder to so much history was a really deep and fascinating approach. I got a little lost in some of the history (I‘m not American and I think I was missing some context?) but I really liked it.

#scarathlon2020 #teamharkness @StayCurious +6 pts

AlaMich I enjoyed this one a lot. It was quite fascinating. 2y
SamAnne Oh I loved this book. Picked it up at an airport on a cross country work trip forgetting my connection was in Salt Lake City. Felt a little awkward reading it in the airport LOL. 2y
BarbaraBB I loved this one too, I got obsessed with the subject for a while! 2y
veritysalter I loved it too. Then I spent far too long on YouTube watching documentaries about fundamental Mormonism. 2y
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Thousand-Lives
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I expected this to be a true crime read about the Lafferty murders, and it is in part, but it‘s also much more than that. Krakauer provides an in-depth look at the history of Mormonism and the split between Mormon Fundamentalists and the mainstream Mormon church. Much of the content is very disturbing, but it‘s very well done and has a “page turning” quality to it.

SamAnne It is my favorite book of his. 2y
Thousand-Lives @SamAnne I can see why, it was excellent. Into Thin Air remains my favorite, but this is a close second for me. 2y
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Andrea313
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I'm a fan of Jon Krakauer's work, and Under the Banner of Heaven is no exception. It tells the story of a murder committed by two members of a fundamentalist sect of the LDS church, and juxtaposes that act with the beginnings and formation of the LDS church more broadly. The book has drawn some criticism from the Mormon community, but I recommend it to shed some light on a piece of little-known American history. #heavenly #BoundTogetherJune

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veritysalter
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ It‘s not often I finish a book and am truly haunted by what I‘ve read. I‘m still trying to process a lot of the information and understand how such terrible things can be done in the name of Faith. This is a really deep dive into the LDS religion and the splinter groups that form the FLDS. Krakauer takes the murder of an FLDS members wife and her baby and works outwards to explore how the church went from Joseph Smith to that.

Pageturner1 i am interested. i know people of LDS. it will be interesting to me to see what this book tells. 2y
BarbaraBB This book made me google for days afterwards! 2y
britt_brooke This was my first FLDS book and thus began my obsession with the offshoot/cult. 2y
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veritysalter @Pageturner1 John Krakauer is fairly complementary to mainstream LDS, in the author‘s notes, he says he was raised in an area with many LDS families and found them to be good, kind people. As a non believer he, doesn‘t always agree, but does try to stick to facts. His main sources are interviews with current members. Fundamentalists and former members and historians. 2y
SamAnne This one was a page turner for me as well. Picked it up in an airport on a cross country flight. Forgot my layover was in Salt Lake City and felt a little awkward.... 2y
Smrloomis I thought this was a fascinating read too! 2y
BookDragonNotWorm This one did my head in - so scary to learn what's happening. 2y
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Rissa1
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4⭐
This was a deep dive into a topic that I knew not much about.

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Rissa1
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Do you ever read something in a book and your mind immediately goes to a person you know?

Maria514626 Most definitely. Shudder. The book is excellent. Awful and excellent. 2y
Rissa1 Agreed. It has taken me a bit of time to read, but only because there is so much to take in. 2y
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MommyWantsToReadHerBook
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I found the first part of the book immensely interesting and well done. I read some stuff on the Mormons in high school and I found his explanations very clear. Later on, I just wanted to finish, though. I became so sickened and it just dragged on a bit too long for me. Very well done and incredibly well researched, but I just thought I would, somehow, enjoy it more.

Crazeedi I read half of this, then I just lost interest and bailed, his books are usually well done, but this one was a meh... 2y
BookDragonNotWorm I thought this one was slooow but scary. 2y
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MsLeah8417
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🌟🌟🌟🌟 #nonfictionaddiction

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MsLeah8417

Picked this one up again.
This book is shocking and borders on mind blowing.

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MsLeah8417

Whoa!!!!!

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cherinium
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I got confetti! 🥳🥳 I officially completed my Goodreads challenge of 75 books with this intriguing nonfiction book. I was fascinated by the true crime and fanaticism within the FLDS church that was examined by Krakauer. The history covered and trying to keep the many characters straight was sometimes a slog, but if you enjoy reading about religion, cults, or true crime, be sure to give this one a whirl. #goodreadschallenge #goalcompleted #success

BarbaraBB A fascinating book indeed! I didn‘t get confetti this year after reaching my GR goal ☺️ 3y
JoScho 🥳💜🥳💜🥳 3y
cherinium @BarbaraBB That's strange--I wonder why? 3y
BarbaraBB @cherinium Maybe they were not impressed 😉 3y
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cherinium
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Enjoying a rainy morning at a friend's house in NC with my new friend Walter. This book is fascinating. #dogsoflitsy #vacation #rainyday #gooddaytoread #nonfiction #religion

BarbaraBB Such a fascinating read indeed! 3y
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Kdgordon88
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I am very much a mood reader but in order to meet my goals by year end a little bit of planning might be in order. These are my 4 must reads for September. Two for #LitsyAtoZ Rose Under Fire and Under the Banner which also checks my non fiction box. Little Women for my classic pic and Wunderland for #LMPBC. I have a great reading month ahead. What will you be reading?

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TracyReadsBooks
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As I read this book, the two words that ricocheted through my thoughts were “horrifying” & “heartbreaking.” At the end now, there are other words too. Krakauer is an excellent writer adept at plumbing the highs & lows of the human condition & it‘s impossible not to have a strong reaction to the story he tells—of the murders of Brenda Lafferty & her infant daughter Erica & the path her killers, her brothers-in-law, took to get to that moment.

SpaceCowboyBooks This book was horrifying but also hard to put down. 3y
TracyReadsBooks @SpaceCowboyBooks Totally agree. (edited) 3y
Cinfhen Great review! Need to get to this book 3y
MicrobeMom This one still haunts me to this day and I read it 10 years ago! 3y
TracyReadsBooks @MicrobeMom Yeah, I think this one is going to take some time to fully process. 3y
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TracyReadsBooks
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Next up...

MicrobeMom This book had a profound effect on me. 3y
Crazeedi I have a hold on this one 3y
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CocoReads
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#bookhaul post one the Krakauer is in really good condition, the Karin Slaughter is slightly beat up and the others I‘m just taking a chance on

Crazeedi I want to read under the banner of heaven! 3y
CocoReads @Crazeedi I‘ve been wanting to read it for awhile so I was excited to find it! 3y
litmuggle1 The good daughter is so good they may have read it over and over. 3y
CocoReads That‘s what I thought too. It actually looks a little water warped so I was thinking in the tub, on the boat, on the beach.... 3y
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squirrelbrain
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I couldn‘t decide whether to give this a pick or a so-so. Clearly the subject matter (polygamy, rape, incest in the name of religion) makes it a difficult read but I also found some of the historical elements about Latter Day Saints rather dry.

However, as it‘s so important that we know about these issues, I‘ve gone with a pick; it‘s a necessary book to read.

Eggs Your review is spot on in my opinion 3y
Kdgordon88 This is my U pick for #LitsyAtoZ. I keep bypassing it when it‘s time to choose the next book but the year is half over so I need to get it read. Just haven‘t felt in the right headspace to tackle it yet. 3y
squirrelbrain @Kdgordon88 , yes it‘s a hard one to read. If you can read more than one book at once, then I‘d do that. Dip in and out of this one, while reading something a bit lighter at the same time. (edited) 3y
Kdgordon88 Good advice! Thank you! (edited) 3y
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Hooked_on_books
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A well-researched history of the LDS and FLDS churches bracketed by the murders committed by two Fundamentalists, this book is very good for what it is. However, I was expecting (and wanted) a true crime book, so it was a bit of a challenge for me to push through. Don‘t miss the author note and appendix at the end.

#bannerbuddy

squirrelbrain I found some of this book a challenge too, and not just because of the difficult subject matter. I *will* post my review soon.... 3y
BarbaraBB I did miss the appendix. Will get back to it! 3y
Hooked_on_books @BarbaraBB The LDS church got an ARC before publication and were not happy with his book (since they didn‘t get to control it). They published a nasty review of it. The appendix is their review and his rebuttal. It‘s interesting. 3y
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This is not about religion, fundamentalist Mormonism (FLDS) is about frustrated white men abusing women and children. I knew nothing about it, LDS is no big thing in my country but I am really shocked. And upset and angry. That is, if Krakauer used a balanced hand while writing. I tend to believe all he says, but maybe I shouldn‘t? What do you think, fellow buddy readers?

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bookandcat I have read part of this book (haven't finished it yet) but did read other books about FLDS. Warren Jeffs was incredibly abusive and so were many in his and similar communities. Even members of other offshoot communities of LDS will say so. Krakauer tends to be a very fair reporter in his writing, even about controversial subjects. It's heartbreaking. 3y
cathysaid I'm a little obsessed with the FLDS and other “fringe“ (for lack of a better word) religions. Based on the books I have read, I completely believe this is true. Read anything about Warren Jeffs and you might be surprised. Memoirs by women who have managed to escape FLDS are especially frightening. I am sure there are kind and loving people in the FLDS but man do they also have some screwed up members! (edited) 3y
Tove_Reads Oh good old Brigham Young with his 55 wives... To become a state they officially had to get rid of polygamy in Utah. 3y
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marleed I read this a long time ago but have always kept the book. He did an excellent job in reporting this story. I‘m thinking at the time I read this Warren Jeffs still had some legitimacy which now seems unimaginable. 3y
MicheleinPhilly I still have to start it. 🤦🏻‍♀️ It‘s been a busy week. ☹️ 3y
Stacy_31 I‘m only a few chapters in, as we just returned from vacation on Sunday. But from what I‘ve read, Krakauer is pretty spot-on. Last year, I read Carolyn Jessop‘s memoir, Escape, in which she escaped LDS with her children. Some of them were so indoctrinated at their young ages, that they were angry with her for leaving. 😢. I‘m sure there are good people in the religion, but there seems to be an incredible amount of brainwashing involved. (edited) 3y
Aimeesue My mom and her husband are LDS. The whole religion is weird, but maybe that's to be expected when you base it on angel- endowed golden plates that you need special glasses to read, which then disappear after good ol' Joe read them. It's the underwear that kills me, though. Well, that and the entrenched gender roles that the religion is built to reinforce and support. 3y
BarbaraBB @cathysaid I understand that obsession. I know @britt_brooke has been too. I am completely blown away about what‘s happening TODAY! 3y
BarbaraBB @bookandcat I think and hope FLDS is completely different from LDS. It must be hard for LDS to be associated with people like Warren Jeffs, Brigham Young and the Lafferty brothers. @Tove_Reads 3y
BarbaraBB @marleed I hope it is unimaginable. I doubt everything after finishing this book 😳 3y
BarbaraBB @MicheleinPhilly @Stacy_31 I will be following what you‘ll think! 💜 3y
BarbaraBB @Aimeesue Please tell me more about the underwear 😂😉! Seriously though, your mother turned LDS after meeting her husband? You weren‘t brought up that way? I am fascinated I have to admit, and I hope the differences between LDS and FLDS are huge! 3y
Hooked_on_books I‘m about halfway through, and everyone in this book is nuts! I love the terribly convenient “revelations.” 🙄 Every fundamentalist religion is frightening and about control, but I see a lot of control in LDS as well given the low status of women. I‘ve wanted to throw this book several times but nothing in it truly surprises me. I live in a fucked up country. 😕 3y
BarbaraBB @Hooked_on_books Is that so, that women have a low status in LDS as well? Why is it so popular then? Your country is so weird sometimes I really don‘t understand it at all! 3y
bookandcat @BarbaraBB yes, LDS is mainstream Mormonism. FLDS is one kind of offshoot that takes some of the original Joseph Smith principles more literally and extremely. LDS has disowned FLDS and other offshoots. However, if you want a very, very irreverent explanation of the history/founding of Church of LDS, check out Season 7 Episode 12 of South Park (All About Mormons). It's a musical episode. 3y
Aimeesue @BarbaraBB Yes, she joined with her husband. I was definitely NOT brought up LDS. Almost the exact opposite - I was brought up in the progressive United Church of Christ, but am now an atheist and a Unitarian Universalist. Yes, I am an atheist who goes to church! 😄 (edited) 3y
britt_brooke @BarbaraBB Mainstream LDS is way different than FLDS, but it‘s still an odd religion, IMO. I lived in Salt Lake City for a couple of years and know several Mormons where I live now and there are definitely some weird rules. My female friends don‘t wear the “underwear” but some of the men do. As an atheist myself, I find any type of ritualistic stuff completely bizarre. FLDS is a whole other whacked out, completely subservient, mind fuck. 3y
britt_brooke @BarbaraBB There are several books out there about the Arizona/Utah border towns and the Yearning for Zion compound in Texas all controlled by pedophile and complete sociopath Warren Jeffs. I also recommend the documentary “Prophet‘s Prey.” It‘s based on a book of the same name. (edited) 3y
Rachel_nyc @bookandcat 🤣🤣🤣I love that episode! 3y
Rachel_nyc I too tend to trust Krakauer‘s journalism. As others have already stated, FLDS is completely different and like most fundamentalist offshoots, they are their own brand of crazy! I don‘t know a whole lot about LDS but it is definitely a quirky religion. The underwear mentioned is super weird but the simple rule of no alcohol or caffeine is enough for me to give it a big NO from me! 3y
Librarybelle I‘ve found the comments from the buddy readers to be interesting - I haven‘t read this yet. Sounds like a shocking read! 3y
BarbaraBB @bookandcat Thanks you for the South Park suggestion! I will definitely watch! 3y
BarbaraBB @Aimeesue The underwear is a big thing! I had no idea! It must be hard to see your mother make such extreme choices. And I love that your an atheïst going to church. Thanks for your story ? 3y
BarbaraBB @britt_brooke Thank you, I‘ll look out for Prophet‘s Prey. It sounds so scary. As do those FLDS communities in Arizona/Utah. 3y
BarbaraBB @Rachel_nyc All those rules scare me off! 3y
Hooked_on_books @BarbaraBB You and me both! The book went a little ways into the lower status of women in LDS: all men are automatically in the “priesthood” but women are not allowed, women are measured by how many children they have and are encouraged not to work outside the home. I chafe at those forms of control. 3y
Tove_Reads Been meaning to read this book for years. Finally placed a hold and will get it soon! 3y
Tove_Reads We have this odd religion here with 100 000 followers. Naturally the only ones going to heaven... They have 10+ kids, women are birthing machines. No alcohol, TV, music (unless it‘s psalms), dancing, makeup etc. internet and smoking are OK. Men rule and women obey. Our former PM belongs to an offshoot of this movement. (edited) 3y
BarbaraBB @Tove_Reads LDS too or another cult? It does sound ridiculous too! 3y
Tove_Reads It‘s a separate one. Almost all live in Finland, some in Sweden and the U.S. They are Lutherans, but have formed their own movement far from what Protestants normally are. We have LDS all over the country, but I doubt FLDS could ever officially be a religion here. 3y
BarbaraBB @Tove_Reads It sounds fascinating, I need to Google that! 3y
BarbaraBB @Tove_Reads Thanks for posting. Unreal!! 3y
JaclynW I do think Krakauer does his journalistic duty to provide facts. As many stated above, there are several crazy (and honestly very sad) stories stemming from fundamentalist religions. There are many such stories here in Utah with the FLDS. Also from the LDS mainstream too.⬇️ 3y
JaclynW In Utah, we have a high rate of suicides in the state as well as prescriptions for anti-depressants/anti-anxiety medications. Some say the LDS religion is at the root. This culture is an interesting one to live in. It's very narrow minded and judgmental. You basically have one path to follow. One role to fufill.⬇️
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JaclynW While in Utah, you REALLY must visit Temple Square. Go through all of the buildings. They do a great job explaining their beliefs and practices. It will give you a good peek into this religion. It is really quite fascinating. They'd also be happy to send missionaries to your door for more detailed lessons.😉😆 ⬇️ 3y
JaclynW For a (Utah) counter culture experience, get tickets to Saturday's Voyeur from the Salt Lake Acting Company while you are in SLC. It is an excellent show that pokes fun at the quirks of "the church" (that's what everyone here calls the LDS church), Utah culture/politics and it stabs at big issues that need to be addressed here. Tgis show is definitely worth going to. They do a new version of this show every summer, so if you miss it, come back!⬇️ 3y
JaclynW I've lived in Utah all my life. I've had several experiences with "the church" and its' followers - many not pleasant. Personally, I think there are a lot of abuses going on in the mainstream LDS religion too (not just FLDS). The people in it, of course, would disagree with me. I think overall they are great people just trying to live their best life like everyone else - unfortunately they are often very close minded. I could go on and on. ⬇️ 3y
JaclynW I feel justified in saying all of this because I used to be a Mormon. I know all sides of this coin. I left because I could see the abuses, I no longer believed in several of its' teachings, I didn't like who I was becoming and I couldn't bring myself to raise my children in it. (Which by the way, they don't like to be called Mormons any more. They want to be referred to as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.) ⬇️ 3y
JaclynW I'm glad you read the book! Enjoy your time in our beautiful state of Utah! Let me know how it goes. 😊 3y
BarbaraBB Wow, thanks for your story. There is so much more to it, to this religion and all that‘s behind it. It‘s all so new to me. We‘ll be in SLC on Pioneers Day, that will be impressive I guess. I don‘t know if tours through the Temple will be possible then however. 3y
jamicuns I am a Mormon (yes, we aren‘t suppose to call ourselves that anymore but I do a lot of things that we aren‘t suppose to do. 😉😂) and I read half of this book. I didn‘t find his reporting to be false or hyperbolic, but I did find it a bit too narrow. I wish he didn‘t just focus on Mormon fundamentalists. I felt his thesis was dangerous things can happen when someone takes their religious creeds too far and become extremists, no matter the religion 3y
jamicuns I think his anticipated demographics are Christians but by focusing solely on Mormonism he gave Christians an out by thinking their religion is exempt bc Mormons aren‘t Christians in their eyes. I live in the Bible Belt and so I‘m fully aware of how many Christians view Mormons and we are definitely not Christians to them. I don‘t say that contentiously, I promise. 😀 (edited) 3y
jamicuns I wish he would have used multiple examples of extremists from different Christian sects to get his point across instead of focusing solely on one religion. I hope my comments make sense. Also hope you enjoyed Salt Lake City. I was born there and visit often. It‘s a lovely, yet quirky, city. 3y
BarbaraBB @jamicuns Thank you for replying. I definitely see your point in that Krakauer solely focuses on FLDS while there are other extreme Christian sects too. Do you have to defend your religion often, even as a less-strict Mormon? My visit to SLC is still upcoming. I am looking forward to it, I expect to learn a bit more about LDS, a religion I know so little about (except for what is said about it in this book). 3y
jamicuns @BarbaraBB I had to defend my religion a lot growing up. It never really bothered me bc most of the questions/accusations were based off misinformation and so I loved setting the record straight. As an adult, I still have to clear up misinformation but it doesn‘t feel like having to defend anything so that‘s an improvement. Enjoy SLC and definitely visit temple square if you are interested in learning more. 😀 3y
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Page 15, about Mormon fundamentalists.

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If it get through this book without throwing it, it will be a miracle.

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Soubhiville Ugh. 3y
BarbaraBB Horrible. This book makes me furious. I can‘t believe it‘s not fiction what I‘m reading. How can this be happening right now?! 3y
squirrelbrain I‘ve actually finished the book now but haven‘t reviewed it as yet as I don‘t really know how to... 😬 3y
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Hooked_on_books @BarbaraBB I‘ve been thinking the same thing. If it were fiction, I would find it so ridiculous and over the top that I probably would bail. Isn‘t that interesting? 3y
Hooked_on_books @squirrelbrain I think I may have to read in shorter bursts because I keep getting angry at the book. I‘m impressed that you‘ve finished already. I look forward to your (eventual) review! 3y
BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain I can understand. How to review this?! 😳 3y
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The weekend has started and with it the Banner Buddyread. Let‘s try to finish this one this week and share our thoughts with hashtag #bannerbuddy. If you wanna join us, do so!

I just read the prologue (I didn‘t know the story) and Googled Dan Lafferty. Scary man!

MicheleinPhilly What‘s the schedule? Should we just read the whole book this week and discuss next weekend? 3y
BarbaraBB Sounds good to me. I will be travelling though next weekend so not sure if I will be able to join the discussion. 3y
Rachel_nyc I read this book years ago but found it fascinating (and disturbing). Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. 3y
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vivastory I'm really looking forward to reading this one. I'm definitely in the mood for some great nonfiction. 3y
squirrelbrain I‘ve just arrived at our campsite for the next week... nearly finished setting up so will be able to start soon.... 3y
Hooked_on_books Yikes, he‘s creepy! I‘ll be starting tomorrow. I haven‘t yet finished my buddy read pages for a different book for discussion tomorrow. 🙄 3y
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History and True Crime - 2 of my favorite genres