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Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race | Reni Eddo-Lodge
'This is a book that was begging to be written. This is the kind of book that demands a future where we'll no longer need such a book. Essential' Marlon James, Man Booker Prize-Winner 2015 'One of the most important books of 2017' Nikesh Shukla, editor of The Good Immigrant A powerful and provocative argument on the role that race and racism play in modern Britain, by award-winning journalist Reni Eddo-Lodge In 2014, award-winning journalist Reni Eddo-Lodge wrote about her frustration with the way that discussions of race and racism in Britain were being led by those who weren't affected by it. She posted a piece on her blog, entitled: 'Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race'. Her words hit a nerve. The post went viral and comments flooded in from others desperate to speak up about their own experiences. Galvanised by this clear hunger for open discussion, she decided to dig into the source of these feelings. Exploring issues from eradicated black history to the political purpose of white dominance, whitewashed feminism to the inextricable link between class and race, Reni Eddo-Lodge offers a timely and essential new framework for how to see, acknowledge and counter racism. It is a searing, illuminating, absolutely necessary exploration of what it is to be a person of colour in Britain today.
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Connster
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I‘ve already beaten my reading challenge of 100 books and am now at 125 books read this year. These are some of my favourites...I‘ve been playing around with layout apps!

Clwojick The Hate U Give 😭😭😭😭 2mo
Connster @Clwojick Yesss! So good but so 😭😭😭 (edited) 2mo
Clwojick Agreed. I loved it. But it shattered my heart. 2mo
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Connster @Clwojick Me too! I haven‘t seen the film yet and I‘m not sure I want to as it‘s just πŸ’”πŸ’”πŸ’” 2mo
Clwojick I will admit to turning it on, and then shutting it off after 5 minutes. I just couldn‘t bring on the emotional damage that I knew it would bring πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ Like, I was legitimately worried about having to go to work with swollen eyes the next day πŸ˜‚ 2mo
Connster @Clwojick 😒😒😒 I guess the time will be right for us both to watch it at some point! You know when something‘s good for you or not and whether to do it 😁 2mo
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TrishB
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#everykindapeople #ayupaugust
Illuminating and thought provoking read, certainly helped me to call people out on things. Saying you are colour blind is not the answer and does not help address racism.
Totally unrelated- I had no idea Robert Palmer was from Yorkshire πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ He collaborated several times with Numan in the 80s & Johnny & Mary is one of my fav songs.

squirrelbrain How funny - this is the other one I was thinking of posting! Robert Palmer was born in Batley (that‘s near the Ikea on the M621 on the way into Leeds!) 3mo
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Out of the 25 books I read in July, 17 were female authors! #thisonesforthegirls #lilithjuly @Cinfhen @KarenUK Have tagged one of the best ones.

Posting #julystats now as I don't think I'll finish any more books today.

KarenUK What a great reading month! πŸ™ŒπŸ™ŒπŸ’• 4mo
tammysue Great job! πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ™ŒπŸ» 4mo
StillLookingForCarmenSanDiego Fabulous! πŸ’•πŸ“šπŸ’• 4mo
Cinfhen Fabulous month!!!! β€οΈπŸ™ŒπŸ»β€ΌοΈ 4mo
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jenniferw88
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Lots of highlights in this book! 5 🌟

Reni writes really well from a black, British, feminist perspective but now I really want recommendations for books featuring the following:

🐈 LGBT and feminism
🐈 Disability studies and feminism

Any suggestions?

Scochrane26 Bad feministβ€”Roxane gay 4mo
Weaponxgirl Audre lourde if you haven‘t tried her? 4mo
jenniferw88 @Weaponxgirl thank you! Have Sister Outsider & this one on my Kindle ready to be read 4mo
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Weaponxgirl @jenniferw88 I‘ve read the tagged book! It‘s really good, I‘ll look up one about disability rights I was looking at recently. Not sure if it‘s feminist as a main focus but I found it recommended on a feminist site. 4mo
Weaponxgirl This is the one, looks like it might be in the right area. I haven‘t read it yet though 4mo
jenniferw88 @Weaponxgirl thank you! Just added it to the stack! 4mo
andrew61 I thought this was a brilliant book and need to reread. Just to let you know she has made a podcast series on the issue of race which i really liked and also i heard about the book on her interview on literary friction podcast ( both are available on itunes). 4mo
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AntoinetteBuchanan
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I have some time between appointments tonight so I‘m making inroads into this book. It is useful and interesting. If you live in the UK you must read this. I recommended it for everyone. Australians, you should also read Growing Up Aboriginal in Australia.

MrsMalaprop Agreed πŸ™Œ. Both must-reads IMO πŸ‘. 6mo
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Eva2
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This book was great and a really important read. I have just finished it and feel like I want to re read it again. I am going to have to buy a copy as this copy needs to go back to the library.

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Eva2
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Just started this one. I am expecting it to be as powerful as its cover.

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suzisteffen
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I admit that I read the blog post long ago, nodded, and had NO IDEA the author was British. The history of Black & brown folks in Britain is certainly different from - in the specifics, of broadly similar, in terms of, OH, WH1TE SUPR3MACY - that of folks in the US, and so it was useful to read this excellent book of history and analysis.

Weaponxgirl I‘ve been carrying this around with me for months. I really need to actually make some headway into it. 8mo
suzisteffen @Weaponxgirl I can only do nonfiction, sometimes, by challenging myself to one chapter at a time. That helped with this one too! 8mo
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suzisteffen
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Started reading this a couple of nights ago when I got overwhelmed by reading about the Flint water crisis. Which ... related! But anyway, reading about Black and Caribbean British folks‘ history is definitely an eye-opener for a USian who has read a lot of US-race-related books and studied US history. I‘m sure there are many songs not by white ppl about it, but I have Sinead O‘Connor‘s β€œBlack Boys on Mopeds” stuck in my head now. #amreading

Emilymdxn I found this book so fascinating and important to read too. Race studies are so often only about the US, I found this so eye opening about British racism and I‘M British 8mo
suzisteffen @Emilymdxn I mean I feel like a doofus because until recently I didn‘t even know what the Windrush Generation was. W o w. 8mo
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swynn
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Loved this, even when it hurt. Maybe especially then.

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Renni Edo-Lodge‘s definition of white privilege is the best I‘ve ever seen:

β€œβ€¦I don‘t mean that white people have it easy, that they‘ve never struggled, or that they‘ve never lived in poverty. But white privilege is the fact that if you‘re white, your race will almost certainly positively impact your life‘s trajectory in some way. And you probably won't even notice it."

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Connster
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THIS^^^

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Connster
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This book is excellent. I can‘t put it down. It‘s making me want to change the world.

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Connster
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This is excellent so far. I don‘t think it‘ll take me long to blast through it.

Jee_HookedOnBookz This is such an important book to read! Have you also read this tagged book? 9mo
Connster @Jee_HookedOnBookz It‘s so weird that you‘ve said that as I added it to my Amazon wish list just last night! Looks great, thank you! 9mo
Jee_HookedOnBookz @Connster yayyyy! I learned a lot from that book. I found it more accessible and the fact that it's semi-autobiographical, I found the essays more meaningful. 9mo
Connster @Jee_HookedOnBookz Awesome! I‘m going to order it for when I‘ve finished this one 😊 9mo
Jee_HookedOnBookz @Connster that's great! Can't wait to know what you think of it!! 😊 9mo
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Connster
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Noodles, tea, a book and this little fiend. Good end to the day!

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faelinwolf

I don't want white guilt. Neither do I want to see white people wasting precious time profusely apologising rather than actively doing things. No useful movements for change have ever sprung out of fervent guilt.

Instead, get angry. Anger is useful. Use it for good. Support those in the struggle, rather than spending too much time pitying yourself.

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faelinwolf

I don't want to be included. Instead, I want to question who created the standard in the first place. After a lifetime of embodying difference, I have no desire to be equal. I want to deconstruct the structural power of a system that marked me out as different. I don't wish to be assimilated into the status quo. I want to be liberated from all negative assumptions that my characteristics bring.

gradcat πŸ‘ŠπŸΌ 9mo
faelinwolf @gradcat πŸ‘ŠπŸ» 9mo
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Jee_HookedOnBookz
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There's double standard. There's structural racism. You either roll with their punches, settle for tokenism or be outed. This book struck a chord with me. We hv long been trying to fight for change. And change did happen for us Malaysians 2 yrs ago, after 60 YEARS of being oppressed by the same ruling party. We hv yet to see if this change is one that will benefit all. Full review on blog.

#BlackHistoryMonth

An important read but I somehow ⬇️

Jee_HookedOnBookz prefer the tagged book as I find it more accessible and it provides us tools to fight racism. 9mo
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β€œI watched white people reflect on the dynamics of their own lives, and start to consider how race had shaped it.”

Every white person needs to read this. Once read, they need to do something about making a change. πŸ‘πŸ»

I appreciated the honesty in Reni‘s book & while I felt a range of emotions from sadness to guilt, from rage to hope, I agree that dwelling on these emotions isn‘t going to help anyone.

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1. Where Am I Now? by Mara Wilson (SO CLOSE TO FINISHING - Only 20 minutes to go) & last night I started Why I‘m No Longer Talking To White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge.

2. Coffee, always coffee. Preferably a cappuccino, but usually just instant with a dash of milk.

3. COFFEE! β˜•οΈβ˜•οΈβ˜•οΈ I‘ll have another shortly when my son goes down for a nap.

#weekendreads @rachelsbrittain

rachelsbrittain Both of those books are on my tbr! Thanks for joining in β˜•πŸ˜Š 10mo
greenhairdontcare @rachelsbrittain Thanks for creating the questions! πŸ™‚ 10mo
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Informative and timely. Looks at some of the history, economics, and social issues feeding into and stemming from racism. The context is structural racism in the UK today, but it easily translates to an American audience. Eddo-Lodge doesn't pull her punches and calls out not just the far right but also white feminism and people engaging in what she calls "performative solidarity" (virtue signaling without action). I'm glad I read it.

RaimeyGallant I didn't realise this was about life in the U.K. How interesting. Either way, it's on my list. 11mo
readordierachel @RaimeyGallant It's a good one πŸ‘πŸ½ 11mo
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shanaqui
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Mostly not *surprising* to me thanks to online discussions, except that I never knew the situation in the UK was so similar to the US (though I probably should've; I knew a little about what happened to Cherry Groce). I did assume things were better here, and perhaps more different than they are.

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shanaqui

Most of this doesn't surprise me very much, but in the history section in particular a part of me was still shocked about how recent some of the horrible events, policies, laws and attitudes are.

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ephemeralwaltz
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This was a great read. Informative from all the viewpoints: historical, feminist, social, & economic. So, no matter what topics interest you the most, the activist in you will be drawn in by these chapters. In a digital western world where America gets most of the racism buzz, I found this read VERY eye-opening regarding the difficulties of race relations in the UK today. As Eddo-Lodge writes, the movement is happening right now- join it!

Kalalalatja Great review! 12mo
TrishB A great read πŸ‘πŸ» 12mo
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Rissreads
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Information overload! But in a good way! Another powerful book that should be required reading by everyone.
I learnt a lot and that makes me happy 😊

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shanaqui
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A post-degree result book binge, and that's not even counting the Amazon voucher from Mum.

Me and my wife have both been meaning to read the tagged book. I thought it was US centric for some reason, but the back mentions Britain, so it's exactly what I need (I feel like I understand race on the US somewhat, but not the UK).

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😍 Day Two of #UWRF18 in Ubud, Indonesia. Wow, just wow. Got to see a favourite Australian author Gail Jones talk about her latest novel, followed by Clementine Ford & Reni Eddo-Lodge on a panel discussing their work and the positives & perils of social media. Next up Hanif Kureishi 😲. And finally a panel of AMAZING young women discussing #metoo and its impact and relevance in Indonesia, India and Australia.
How f*~*^ing lucky am I??!! πŸ˜†πŸ™πŸ“šπŸ˜

TrishB This sounds fab πŸ‘πŸ» 13mo
JennyM Alll the πŸ‘πŸΌ 13mo
Rissreads Yep! You are....... x 13mo
Jeg Lucky lucky lucky you. πŸ‘πŸ‘ 13mo
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I‘m white and I‘m about to read this book!

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ephemeralwaltz
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Reni Eddo-Lodge on "not seeing race" ? This text is amazing!

#currentlyreading

Jee_HookedOnBookz Can't wait to read this!! 13mo
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ephemeralwaltz
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Getting my mocha fix

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ephemeralwaltz
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Another #currentread! Just started it last night, so eager to engage with it.

sudi Loved this book πŸ˜ŠπŸ‘ 14mo
ephemeralwaltz @sudi So glad to hear that. I feel like I'm going to love it as well! 14mo
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I‘m in bed on this dreary day here in Perth reading this enlightening book. So many quotes but this one stands out for me. I‘ve learnt a lot . @MrsMalaprop

MrsMalaprop πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘ 14mo
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Addison_Reads
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This book should be required reading for all people, regardless of gender, age, race, location, etc.... This book will make you angry, but it will also give you hope. So wonderfully written and such an important topic that needed to be addressed. Eye opening and extremely informative. If you haven't already, read this book and then talk about it with everyone you know.

Bookartbookmarks I love and get frustrated when I find a book I think all people should read because I know they won‘t ever add it to the curriculum. 14mo
Addison_Reads @Bookartbookmarks Another reason I love Litsy because you guys will read it πŸ’œ And maybe some educator here at Litsy will see it and pass it on. We can hope anyway. 14mo
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Getting in a little reading time in bed for #24b4Monday. I'm hoping to finish up several of my library books before this weekend is over.

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GatheringBooks
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#SeptemberDanes Day 12: May #TheDayAfterTomorrow be one that is more equitable and just to all people regardless of race, creed, skin colour. Iphigene wrote a moving reflection about social justice using this book (and two other titles) here: https://wp.me/pDlzr-ioH

Cinfhen We can pray & hope πŸ™πŸ»nice interpretation 1y
Kalalalatja Crossing everything I have 🀞🀞🀞 1y
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ephemeralwaltz
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Mini #bookhaul from yesterday. I hadn't bought a new book in so long. I couldn't resist! 2 Catalan books (by women) and Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People about Race - which has been on my wishlist forever! 😍🀘

LeahBergen Happy Birthday!! πŸ“šπŸ“šπŸ“šπŸ“š 1y
ephemeralwaltz @LeahBergen Thank you so much! 1y
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Olivia306
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I know I'm late in joining the discussion on this book but wow, what a poignant and deeply-needed discussion on race. It opened my eyes so much more on race in relation to class, social and economic life, systematical oppression and feminism in UK. Ms. Eddo-Lodge's writing is excruciatingly honest and powerful, cohesive and concise, as she manages to correlate historical and statistical facts with poignant concepts and real life experiences.

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eraderneely
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This book was fantastic. It was great to read a non-US based book on such an important topic.

I‘m an American and a lot of my reading skews American, especially nonfiction. But I would like to thoughtfully engage more with my adopted country.
Can any of my British friends recommend other social histories or similar?

eraderneely @TrishB both of these look great. Thanks! 1y
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Magslhalliday Totally different but there's a deep dive social history series about post-war Britain that may interest. It's pretty nerdy though - try at a library first! 1y
eraderneely @Magslhalliday Thanks! These do look interesting. 1y
Jee_HookedOnBookz It's on my TBR!! Can't wait to get to it! 13mo
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Abailliekaras
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A must-read. Reni Eddo-Lodge is a superb writer, and sets out the race issues that concern her (& must concern all of us) in an ordered way. At the heart of her frustration is white privilege - insidious because it‘s invisible - an β€˜absence‘ of negative consequences of racism, as she puts it. I appreciated her rigorous thought & data on the history, systems, fear of β€˜black planet‘ & feminism too. Invigorating & essential.

RaimeyGallant On my list! 1y
Abailliekaras @RaimeyGallant we‘ll be discussing next week on Books On The Go podcast. 😊🎧 1y
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MrsMalaprop
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It has occurred to me that it must be exhausting to be always trying to explain racism to white people. But then to simultaneously know just how important it is to keep doing so.

This book is essential reading for anyone wanting to inform their understanding of structural racism. It depicts the British experience, but has international relevance.

SamanthaMarie I have seen this floating around. Really want to read! 1y
sudi This is a such a good book πŸ˜ŠπŸ‘ 1y
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β€œOften white people ask me, very earnestly, what I think they should do to help end racism. Anti-racist work - the logistics, the strategy, the organising - needs to be led by the people at the sharp end of injustice. But I also believe that white people who recognise racism have an incredibly important part to play.”
See photo for what Reni Eddo-Lodge says β€˜white support‘ looks like.

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MrsMalaprop
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My comment in brackets.

Sorry about the abundance of posts on this one. I‘m just appreciating consolidating my thoughts and understandings 😬.

LeeRHarry This was such a thought provoking read for me 1y
Samplergal It‘s a powerful book. 1y
CoffeeK8 Excellent point 1y
Weaponxgirl I need to read this and keep up the quotes 😊 1y
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MrsMalaprop
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Definition of white privilege.

Whilst having dinner with some friends recently discussing white privilege one of them got a bit agitated, saying they don‘t consider themselves to have led a privileged life.

I had recently seen a great quote along the lines of β€˜white privilege means that none of the difficulties you‘ve experienced are due to the color of your skin‘. I relayed this to my friend.
A great way to conceptualise it I think.

CarolynM I saw a great fb post recently that set up a bunch of kids for a race, then asked them to take a step forward for each of a series of statements about their backgrounds applied to them. Funnily enough it was all white kids who wound up in front. The person in charge then pointed out that none of those things was in any way their doing, they were all things that others around them were responsible for. 1y
CarolynM While we (almost) all have to make an effort to get to get where we want to be in life, I thought this was a great way of illustrating the very different amounts of work it takes to get to the same place. (edited) 1y
MrsMalaprop @CarolynM I saw that fb post too. A great way of illustrating the concept. 1y
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Rissreads @MrsMalaprop @CarolynM I would love to read that Facebook post! 1y
CarolynM @Rissreads Unfortunately I can't remember where it came from 1y
MrsMalaprop @Rissreads @CarolynM Just found it on fb by searching β€˜white privilege race‘. Tagged you Nerissa 😊. 1y
CarolynM Well done youπŸ‘ 1y
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#currentread So much to learn and ponder in this one.

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razmanda
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A powerful paragraph in a powerful book. This is one that I will need to read again and again, taking new lessons away each time. Another must-read for anyone engaged in anti-racist work but especially white people.

TrishB I found this really compelling. 1y
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Really, really powerful. Eddo-Lodge‘s book is a must-read for anyone invested in anti-racism. She outlines the history of racism in Britain with nods to the US civil rights movements, all impeccably researched but accessible and grounded in humanity.

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DorkieHollieReads
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I am doing a mini vacation/road trip and I feel like I might have enough books, but just in case I have 2 audiobooks and a couple new books ready on my Kindle. Lol. I‘m such a mood reader and I wanted to make sure was prepared. How do you guys decide which/how many books to bring on a trip?