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Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny
Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny | Kate Manne
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Shievad
Pickpick

Great book! Definitely recommend it for everyone to read. Well researched and very academic treatise on misogyny. Kate Manne does a great job of dissecting the roots and logic of misogyny and presenting it to the reader in a well organized manor with lots of citations and references for further reading.

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DebinHawaii
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#FebruaryFeels #SpinePoem1

I couldn‘t get to this yesterday, so here is a #librarybook spine poem, made from my library checkouts, #ARCs given to me by my favorite librarian & library bookstore purchases:

Down girl!
Outspoken, then she was gone.
How quickly she disappears.
Pretty things,
girls burn brighter before and after
the great alone.

(I have never claimed to be a poet!) 😉

Eggs Oh this is great!! I love it ❣️❣️ 2y
AmyG Very good. 2y
DebinHawaii @Eggs @AmyG Thank you!! 🤗 2y
BarbaraBB Love it. Great pic too! 2y
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kspenmoll
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#misogyny #philosophy

My son shared this book with me that he is reading for his philosophy class. I want to read it! Maybe for #Booked2020 #LiveandLearn.

Cinfhen I love that your son shared a book with you!!! That‘s worth the hefty tuition bill 😉 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Omigosh it‘s such a good book! Intense and worth every minute! 2y
kspenmoll @Cinfhen He has been keeping my brain sharp & open to new kinds of reading! 2y
kspenmoll @BarbaraTheBibliophage Now another endorsement. Thanks Barbara- I trust your reviews/endorsements!!! 2y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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1. An amazing, densely intense read.
2. Under a fuzzy throw on the couch
3. Bit off more than I can chew ... as usual ... 🤪
4. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

#friyayintro @4thhouseontheleft @howjessreads ♥️♥️

LauraJ Agreed! We just discussed Down Girl at my book club this week. I believe Manne is working on a more accessible version of the book for the masses. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @LauraJ Nice! I‘d like my book club to discuss also. And a revised version sounds great! 2y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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@tjwill Thanks so much for the beautiful card and those sticky notes! OMG, they are fantastic! 😘😘

tjwill I‘m glad you like them! I thought they were perfect to go with the book! 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @tjwill They are! And I‘ll be looking for ways to use them a lot. 👊🏻🙌🏻♥️ 2y
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tjwill
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Pickpick

I feel so very accomplished to have finished this book! It took me a while! This is a philosophical look at identifying and defining misogyny. Yes, it is dense because it has so many footnotes and references, and they were all worth it. What a thorough look at a complex yet ubiquitous problem. In a nutshell, misogyny is when women are punished or thought lesser for stepping out of their prescribed social norms.
Thanks again, #NforNonfiction group!

tjwill I‘ll get this in the mail this week, Barbara! Thanks for being patient with me! 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I fully agree, it was a tough read, but a great one and well worth the extra time. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Great review. I‘m glad you could get through it, with life and all. I still can‘t believe I was powering through to finish in ten days (I think it was that few)! 2y
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tjwill @BarbaraTheBibliophage Thanks! Wow, ten days! It took me nearly two months! And now I really want to go back and read all the notes again. I hope you will enjoy going back through everything with all the annotations! 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @tjwill It was WAY too much. My poor brain was exhausted the whole time. 2y
tjwill @BarbaraTheBibliophage I can imagine! It is a lot to process! 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @tjwill I‘m really looking forward to seeing everyone‘s comments! 2y
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tjwill
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@BarbaraTheBibliophage , I apologize in advance for the number of times I may write WTF in this book! 🤦🏻‍♀️😫🤬 @daniwithtea @Riveted_Reader_Melissa

BarbaraTheBibliophage Haha. Yes, write it all you want. I could have done so at nearly every page. 2y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Different article, same subject (but hopefully not behind a paywall this time!). https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/06/shooting-ohio-dayton-el-pa...

#NForNonfiction group, to go with our recent read of Down Girl.

tjwill This article made some good points. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Thanks! I just read one in the NYT today as well. That‘s a paywall too, though. (I subscribed a while ago.) 2y
SW-T Thanks for posting! I‘d tried reading a similar article in the NYT but hit the paywall block. 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @SW-T You‘re welcome 2y
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tjwill
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#bookmail! I‘m looking forward to reading this, especially because I know my group mates loved it! #nfornonfiction

BarbaraTheBibliophage Take your time with it, since it‘s pretty densely packed with information. You‘re the last one so there‘s no rush! 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yay it arrived. And I agree with Barbara‘s advice. 2y
tjwill @BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Ok, thanks! I will start it soon! 2y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-it-comes-to-mass-shootings-its-the-misogyny-s...

Interesting article today in light of our book pick. I know I definitely thought about this while reading Down Girl this past weekend.

#NForNonfiction

BarbaraTheBibliophage Will go read his ASAP. Thanks! 2y
ValerieAndBooks Unfortunately this is a members-only story 🙁 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @ValerieAndBooks I just discovered the same thing. 😰 2y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa Darn it, I got the link from her twitter feed and didn‘t have any trouble reading it. https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-it-comes-to-mass-shootings-its-the-misogyny-s... 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage No, still has a paywall. I‘ll look for it in Twitter. 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Ok, it‘s on Molly Jong-Fast‘s Page... @ MollyJongFast (edited) 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage It‘s so weird, because I don‘t have a subscription with the Daily Beast either. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That is weird. I didn‘t get the complete article from the Twitter link. I just can‘t do another pay-to-read monthly media subscription. 😰 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage I don‘t blame you. I wouldn‘t have paid to read it either. 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage I just went back thinking I could screenshot the one part and post it for you, but now it‘s behind a paywall for me too. So I must have exhausted my preview, LOL 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh well. Paywalls are so frustrating! Thanks for trying. 2y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Pickpick

A challenging read at times, with both deep analytical analysis & a tough subject matter, dissecting what is going on behind the scenes in our society and identifying the core of “toxic masculinity”. In less than 451 words, they feel entitled to women‘s emotional/moral work due to the patriarchal system & history of our society & when they feel we renege, that‘s when they feel justified to punish (demean, guilt-trip, gaslight, etc). A Must Read!

lele1432 This sounds outstanding! 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @lele1432 It really is! I definitely recommend it! 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Great review! I can‘t wait to read everyone‘s comments. I also can‘t believe we‘re already at month four. 2y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Just getting into this one, and it‘s going to be so good. It‘s a way I haven‘t looked at it before, but resonates so much right now. Mens anger because they feel they are entitled to our emotional & moral work (attention, empathy, care, consideration) & when they don‘t get it or feel we dispense it incorrectly, well that‘s when they feel justified to demean, guilt-trip, gaslight, etc as punishment. No wonder we all strive to be “the good girl”!

tjwill 🙌🏽 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Well said! 2y
Hooked_on_books Well, I can‘t pass this one up. 2y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tjwill I‘m running a bit behind with this one, but I‘ll try to finish it up over the weekend and get it out to you early next week. Sorry 2y
tjwill @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That‘s totally fine! I have some other things I need to read before it anyway, so I can‘t get to it right away. 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tjwill Phew! I‘ll let you know when I send it off, so you‘ll know when to start looking for it. 2y
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daniwithtea
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Pickpick

Finished this over lunch today; will drop it in the mail tomorrow. What a powerful read. My only complaint is that it‘s such a dense read - which I loved (I enjoyed the depth of the near-academic format) but there are a number of people I know would enjoy the themes and concepts but that would find the format inaccessible. @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage @tjwill #NForNonfictionRidesAgain

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know what you mean, there almost needs to be a lite version of a lot of great but dense books for wider circulation. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Definitely a good point, @daniwithtea — maybe articles featuring the author would be a good “lite” version. 2y
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daniwithtea @Riveted_Reader_Melissa agreed. I can‘t see any better way to present this one in particular, though - everything seemed so important in building her case. 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage @daniwithtea maybe this is a calling, we should start a cliffnotes like lite version of a bunch of great reads. 2y
daniwithtea @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage ha ha ha “N For NonFiction Lite”? 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @daniwithtea That‘d make a great name 😂 (edited) 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I just want to let you know the book arrived here safely today! Thank you. 2y
daniwithtea @Riveted_Reader_Melissa wow, that took a while! Glad it made it safely. 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @daniwithtea I know, we mail them the same distance each time and yet sometimes they arrive much faster than others🤷‍♀️ 2y
daniwithtea @Riveted_Reader_Melissa maybe the post office likes to keep us on our toes 🙂 2y
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DeeLew
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🙌🏻 #feminism

Velvetfur What's the skulls fabric in the background - a book cover type thing....? 😊 2y
DeeLew @Velvetfur it‘s a book sleeve. ☺️I received it in another book swap. I think it came from https://bookbeau.com/ (edited) 2y
Velvetfur @DeeLew Thank you! I really like the website but they don't yet post internationally 🙁 Oh well I can look at the pretties for free! 😂 2y
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daniwithtea
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Saw this elsewhere; reminded me of one of our current reads @tjwill @BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa

squirrelbrain Have you seen this @RachelO ?! 🤣 2y
tjwill 😂 2y
rockpools @squirrelbrain 🤣🤣🤣 Wise words at the top there. I‘d never dare, of course, but some days the struggle is real! 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Hahaha! Voluminous indeed! 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage OMG that‘s awesome. Now I need to know what book this is in! 2y
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Martyn_J_Pass
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Pickpick

I can‘t really say much in 400 characters. A fantastic look at the topic and VERY challenging to me, as a white, cisgender het man, and part of what the author believes is the main cause of misogyny in the west. The most important thing here is that the focus is clearly (and rightly) on the victims. I‘d have liked to have come away with something to act on or maybe do differently but apart from that, it was brilliant!

BarbaraTheBibliophage Good review! I think our call to action is talking about the book and getting people to read it. 2y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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Pickpick

I used up the ink of 2 pens underlining in this book. I could have done more—it‘s deep and full of unique insight. It‘s 800 pages of intelligence crammed into just over 300 pages of print. Not an easy read, Manne ranges from sexism to humanism and from victim blaming to exonerating men. All the relevant ground is covered. It‘s a definitive work on the topic. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Full review http://www.TheBibliophage.com
#thebibliophage2019
#nfornonfiction

BarbaraTheBibliophage @daniwithtea It should be to you by Thursday. Sorry to be a few days behind. I definitely shouldn‘t have waited until the 15th to start it. 😎 2y
Samplergal Oh a must read. Thanks for the review. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Samplergal You‘re welcome. I am recommending it to anyone interested in exploring the concept of misogyny. 2y
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JanuarieTimewalker13 Does this cover any matriarchal societies or how patriarchy became so strong in religions? 2y
JanuarieTimewalker13 My library doesn‘t own book, I just put in request. Thank you for bringing this book to our attention!!! 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @JanuarieTimewalker13 You‘re welcome. The book doesn‘t discuss either of those topics. While you wait for the library book, google the author and you should find both her articles and podcasts she‘s spoken on. It‘ll give you a start. 2y
JanuarieTimewalker13 Ok, thank you, again🌞 2y
Martyn_J_Pass I‘ve just made a start on this and, as someone from the UK, I recognise that most family units are matriarchal over here as the tide shifts. I‘m fascinated by this book and am glad that LITSY put me on to it. 2y
Theaelizabet Great review. Sold. 2y
Velvetfur I loved your longer review of this that I read via the link in your email newsletter, so much so that I've added it to my stack, it sounds fantastic 👍 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Mine just got mailed today too, so we‘ll be the late group. 🤪 2y
tjwill Great review! 🙌🏽 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Great longer review too! 2y
daniwithtea @BarbaraTheBibliophage no worries! I‘m really looking forward to digging in. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Martyn_J_Pass I'm definitely interested to hear your feedback on this work, especially from your male and UK perspectives. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Theaelizabet Awesome! I hope it gives you as much food for thought as it did me. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Velvetfur Thanks for reading the longer review, V! I'm looking forward to your thoughts, once you read it. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa It's nice to have a mellow group for our PBC. I think my next book from @tjwill should be here today. Yay! And thanks for visiting the blog for the longer review. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @tjwill Thanks! I felt like my longer review was just “go read it“ and not very much detail. Once I started to think about what I should add, the list got too long and I realized I'd never do the book complete justice. But, yes, I think you will really appreciate this one. And I can't wait to see everyone's comments. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @daniwithtea DEFinitely one you want to start straightaway. It was an effort to get through a couple of the chapters because the content is so challenging. I wish I'd had the flexibility to put it down and contemplate more, but I started too late in the month for that. 2y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @riveted_reader_melissa @daniwithtea @tjwill After a while I stopped writing comments next to my underlines, because basically they all were “hell yeah“ or “yasssss“ or “no shit“ or something similar. 🤓 2y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage haha... my book had a lot of comments like No, OMG, That‘s not good, Why???? 2y
daniwithtea @BarbaraTheBibliophage good to know!! I will get started as soon as it arrives. 2y
daniwithtea @BarbaraTheBibliophage it arrived safely on Thursday - thank you for the tea!! 2y
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Martyn_J_Pass
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So I started this at work today, having finished my latest audio feast. In the spirit of genuine desire to learn more and understand the authors position, how does someone even begin to wrestle with misogyny when the foundation is immediately undermined by an affirmation of human genders being non-binary? Surely that would change the very definition of the problem from being Male oppression of women to something far more specific? Help please!

BarbaraTheBibliophage I hope you‘ll keep at it. To my mind, she does explain how these two concepts (misogyny and non-binary) aren‘t mutually exclusive. But her focus really is on the way patriarchy and sexism create a societal atmosphere of misogyny. That affects pretty much anyone who isn‘t male, hetero and cis gendered. 2y
Martyn_J_Pass @BarbaraTheBibliophage Oh I‘ll definitely be sticking with it, i love the style and content too much to abandon it! I just needed some clarification and you‘re absolutely right, it came in the next chapter. To understand misogyny as something that isn‘t necessarily male dominated but calls us to shift the focus rightfully onto the victims - namely women as a whole, is an important distinction to make. 2y
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Martyn_J_Pass
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My listening this week is looking good!

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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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When competent women are considered vs equally competent men, it matters how people perceive the state of their world. If they think the world is in a bad place, they are more likely to choose a man. This does not bode well for 2020 candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris.

Interestingly, she footnotes that this doesn‘t apply the same way to positions like the Senate. Which could explain the 2018 midterm results.

#nfornonfiction

BarbaraTheBibliophage I‘m in the last 50 pages. Should have it in the mail by Monday. And I‘ll send it on the fast track. It‘s a very dense 309 pages and you don‘t want to be cramming at the end of the month if you can help it. 😎 3y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Interesting! I can‘t wait to see more. 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa It is just so so good. I‘m very glad I get the copy back with notes to keep. 3y
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tjwill Wow, that‘s interesting. I‘m looking forward to reading it! 3y
Martyn_J_Pass I felt like getting this on audio - do you feel it‘s worth me losing a ‘free‘ credit to? 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Martyn_J_Pass It‘s amazingly good. But ... I‘ve done a lot of rereading sentences or paragraphs to ensure I truly grasp her meaning. This could get problematic on audio. 3y
Martyn_J_Pass @BarbaraTheBibliophage That‘s a very good point. I‘ll take the risk and maybe consider getting the paperback version too if it grabs me. Thanks for the heads up. 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Martyn_J_Pass Sure. And feel free to give me a tag if you‘d like to discuss as you read. 😎 3y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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I need more coffee and Yoda‘s help this morning. Trying to get some pages in before I head to work! #nfornonfiction

Riveted_Reader_Melissa “Do or do not, there is no try!” (edited) 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I believe I am in “do” mode, so I guess I really need Yoda‘s reminder. 🤪 3y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yoda reminders are always good....and any you read fits under DO 😂 3y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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Usually we talk about misogyny as “men who hate women.” This suggests we switch our focus to the hostility women face in the world, which may come from individuals or may be societal. Or both.

#nfornonfiction

JeannieReads 👏 3y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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The “naive conception” is how we currently define misogyny—a man or men who hate all women. Manne makes a compelling case for a different definition. I‘ve been underlining a LOT. And reading any given sentence multiple times. This is intense.

#nfornonfiction @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tjwill @daniwithtea

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh, that‘s good! 3y
tjwill I think I‘m going to love this one. 3y
SW-T Very good point. 3y
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Gillyreads Sounds like a great book 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tjwill I think you both will LOVE the book, even though the content is very dense and academic. Just start it early in the month. Can‘t wait to read everyone‘s comments after too! 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @SW-T She really has a unique way of looking at misogyny. 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Gillyreads It definitely is! 3y
Leftcoastzen Which makes me think of the feminist classic 3y
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Pedrocamacho
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Pickpick

This book is a work of academic philosophy on misogyny, sexism, and patriarchy. It is dense, ambitious, and thought-provoking. I would say that it is a contemporary must-read were it not for the fact that books like this should have existed long, long ago.

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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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Diving into this one for our informal #lmpbc #nfornonfiction group. Already I can tell I should have started it earlier! But I‘ll give it a go and hopefully finish by end of May.

#downgirl #katemanne #buddyread #wemadeourownschedule

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Well, we are informal, so no pressure. 😉 3y
Connster This looks really interesting....just about to order a copy 😁 3y
daniwithtea Take your time!! No point in rushing through just for the sake of arbitrary timelines :) 3y
tjwill I enjoyed her on the Ezra Klein podcast that you suggested. Take your time and enjoy! I look forward to reading it too. 3y
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PerksOfBeingABookworm
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The university‘s women‘s studies program is hosting a book club reading of this book. I decided to join because the idea of this book is just so interesting. Manne tackles topics such as distinguishing misogyny from sexism, the backlash against “bad women” and the rewarding of “good women,” and arguing that misogyny is about policing and controlling women. I‘ll keep you posted as I read through this tough, but necessary, book! ✊🏼

PerksOfBeingABookworm Manne also discusses current events, including the 2016 election, and discusses her term “himpathy.” Himapthy refers to the narrative and public reaction that describes perpetrators of harassment and violence against women as the “real” victims. (edited) 3y
Samplergal Added. 3y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I can‘t wait to hear what you think, this one sounds so good. 3y
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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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I‘ve been listening to a podcast interview with the author of this book. It‘s quite fascinating, and I‘ll be reading her book soon, I think. It‘s a different, but connected, take on systemic misogyny. She‘s brilliant! Podcast link below ⬇️

#misogyny #feminism #readersresist #resistlist #fthepatriarchy

BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘d like to add this to our buddy read list! 3y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sounds good to me! 3y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I wonder if the other ladies in our group would be interested in this one for our summer group. 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oooh! That‘s a good idea. What do you think @daniwithtea and @tjwill ? 3y
daniwithtea @BarbaraTheBibliophage this sounds fantastic! I‘m definitely on board. 3y
tjwill I think it looks good! I‘m going to check out the podcast! 3y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yea! Sometimes a random thought pays off! 3y
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Misanthropester
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the logic of misogyny #feminism #philosophy

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Misanthropester
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Here‘s an interview with Manne where she breaks down the differences between sexism & misogyny https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/5/16705284/misogyny-trump-sexism-patriarc...

#feminism #philosophy

batsy Saved for later. Thanks for sharing! Can't wait to read the book, too. 4y
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Misanthropester
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Fuck yes! Been waiting for this to be released & arrive for ages it seems. Manne is a brilliant philosopher #feminism #philosophy

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