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Riveted_Reader_Melissa

Joined April 2016

A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies… The man who never reads lives only one. ~George R.R. Martin.
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Hello #SheSaid! How are you this weekend? Long weekend if you are in the US.

I‘m still behind with the sections on this one, but it‘s very good, and for me at least, taking my time with it is helping me absorb more I think.

I hope you are all getting things from it too. Please let me know how you are making out with this month‘s selection.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa First, my apologies for being perpetually behind lately. Second I am getting a lot from this book as she gets past the obsessively following her double and into the Mirror World itself and how different groups have managed to find common cause and how strategists have steered the group. 3d
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vlwelser I really got a lot from this book and I am very glad that I read it. I found the chapter on Palestine especially insightful 3d
KathyWheeler I‘m really behind too, but I like it, so I will finish it. 3d
MallenNC I‘m not quite finished yet either but I‘m hoping to finish this week. The material is a lot more dense than I expected so it isn‘t a fast read. But it is giving a lot to think about. 3d
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On Rereading | Patricia Meyer Spacks
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I have reread series before the next book release, or books that have been on my mind, or books that had messages I felt the need to revisit.

The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter both rank high.

Others include The Handmaid‘s Tale.

This year Wild by Cheryl Strayed is on my to reread list.

Rereading at different ages & life stages often makes different parts of the story stand out & come into focus differently I find.

#SundayFunday

ChaoticMissAdventures I agree! I think reading a book at different life stages can make it a whole different experience. You get something vastly different out of The Handmaid's Tale when you are younger and have all your rights then when you read it older and watching those rights disappearing. 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ChaoticMissAdventures Definitely, on that one! Although I‘m finding the ruling by fear in both LOTR & Potter and watching everyone cave because you might mean tweet about them if they do not toe the line also very topical lately 🙄 sadly. All 3 good looks at turning away and ignoring creeping hate/malevolence and giving it more power in the process. 1w
BookmarkTavern Excellent choices! Thanks for sharing! 1w
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Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m still behind 😬 in Part 2 yet. I did splurge for the audiobook, so I‘m hoping that helps me to make up some ground. How is it going for everyone else?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa My thoughts so far, is this is one we should all read… I think it is going to be essential reading for how to talk about this weird fractured time we are all living through. Even her beginning disbelief at the confusion, to obsession with what is the flip side doing now (Nicole Wallace of Dateline Whitehouse calls it Earth 2), but doppelgänger society works too. To trying to root out the whys & how‘s of it all. It‘s so important and yet I find⤵️ (edited) 1w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ myself taking long breaks between sections. Maybe because it is important but tough to deep dive into too. (edited) 1w
AnneCecilie What made the biggest impression on me in this part was the treatment of children with autism. Autism Warrior Parents at war with the autism in their child and what they were willing to do to “cure” their kid. Some of these parents will blame the vaccines for the autism in their kids. Reading some of this was hard 1w
AnneCecilie And when Naomi Wolf compared herself to Rosa Parks for refusing to wear a masks both to a coffee shop and to the waiting area at Grand Central Station and getting away with it. I get provoked when she compares situation during Covid to Jim Crow laws and to Jews during Nazi Germany. 1w
vlwelser Wolf acts like a 'Karen' and then reacts like people shouldn't be giving her a wide berth. I think contrasting actual protests and other thoughtful acts against these other things is very powerful. She has a way of making these people seem extra crazy. Like with that trucker demonstration in Ottawa. Vs that thoughtful act in BC that showed solidarity and whatnot with the indigenous families. 1w
vlwelser The worst thing about Wolf is she wants attention and she's getting it for herself. Maybe there's a list of things I dislike about Wolf but this is high on the list. 1w
MallenNC I‘m a little behind too. This is so interesting to me but it‘s not a fast read. I‘m hoping to catch up this week. It‘s got so many examples of how people have come to believe in a whole different reality so it‘s hard to take in at one time. Scary and frustrating. 1w
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Hello #SheSaid, & hello to all the Mothers out there on today, the US‘s Mother‘s Day! You are all doing a great job in this crazy hectic world we live in, keep up the good work and make time for yourself too!

Ok…back to the book…. I am struggling with this one and way behind. How is everyone else doing? It‘s fascinating & yet with our fractured society a bit too much of real life at the same time. We all have relatives that have fallen ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ fallen down the rabbit hole….and it is not the fun playful one of Alice. So I think my struggle is more, it‘s bad stuff I don‘t want to dredge up again 😂. Her struggles are to much like struggles with some of my actual loved ones…the how can you possibly believe X conversations. At least I have not been confused with them I guess. (edited) 2w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I used to think “they” will all need some cult de-programming in the future, but we may all need some PTSD treatment. The constantly dealing with the ‘no, you do not know what you know‘, the doubts, pushback, the questioning of self…is it me or her that has the real problem. One of us is obviously bonkers, since there is no middle, and since you and all your friends agree…must be me. That the numbers online outweigh so must be “right”. ⤵️ 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ hard to remember Critical Thinking skills and that numbers repeating the same thing (or repeating it louder or more often) does not make it true. This looking glass of our society is so fractured. 2w
CatLass007 Your words are very insightful. I chose to skip this month‘s selection because I didn‘t want to be in the space in which you now find yourself. The woman was a con artist who cost people a lot of money and caused those same people so much pain. If this had been a work of fiction I might have found it to be entertaining. It‘s a memoir/true crime book and I don‘t enjoy true crime. 2w
vlwelser I really appreciate the fact that we're all silenced by this. We don't want to seem crazy. They stole the words we want to use. It was maddening enough that she wrote a whole book. I feel a little bad that she has to deal with this. At least they only share a first name really. But I cannot imagine being swept along by this particular crazy train. 2w
MallenNC I‘m not quite finished with this section but it‘s interesting to me how the author is portraying her own almost obsession with N. Wolfe. I also keep thinking about whether N. Wolfe really believes the ideas she‘s selling these days or if she‘s just an opportunist. That‘s one reason misinformation is so hard to fight — unclear/bad faith motivations. 2w
KathyWheeler While I‘ve found this book interesting, I am having a hard time with it because of the ideas she‘s discussing. I haven‘t finished this part yet. 2w
willaful @MallenNC One of the things I learned from the book is how much is to be gained from going over to the dark side... not even necessary just financially, but in praise and affirmations. This is why once people start down that path, they tend to keep going. Once they feel rejected, they'll find what they need elsewhere and convince themselves it's true.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m finding that as much as I did not feel isolated by Covid or quarantines or social distancing (natural introvert I guess), I obviously did feel isolated in my own thoughts and feelings once the disinformation really got going. And the fact that so many still seem so inthralled in all of the big lies. 2w
MallenNC @willaful Sadly, there are definitely a lot of advantages, both monetary and attention, in selling conspiracies and hatefulness. 2w
AnneCecilie I learned of a lot of far out theories in this part that I‘ve never heard about. There‘s a Finnish former teacher that occasionally writes a chronicle in one of the big national newspapers and one of her big complaints is that Norwegian are like sheep all moving in the same direction. When it comes to times like the pandemic I must say that I‘m glad about that. I just check and more than 90% of Norwegians have taken two shots of the vaccine. 2w
AnneCecilie And I‘m glad I never come across this thinking before, the tyranny of vaccine passports and slavery forever. Have they forgotten what slavery is? At the same time it scares me that som many people out there is buying this and they are creating The Mirror World that Klein talks about 2w
AnneCecilie I never thought about that @MallenNC and you might be in to something that she‘s “just” an opportunist. 2w
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Hello #SheSaid!

My book was a bit late in arriving so I‘m just at the end of chapter 1. But the Intro really has me interested to read more. Please feel free to start discussing below… I‘ll join in soon. I‘m very curious at how deep we will get into our fractured body politic… see you in the comments.

Deblovestoread Please add me. I‘ll jump in as soon as my copy arrives and I get caught up. 3w
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vlwelser I was a little concerned about where she was going when I was reading the intro. After keeping her mouth shut for so long about other (unhinged) Naomi, it seemed like this might go down a bad path. 3w
vlwelser It seems to be getting interesting though and I'm looking forward to reading part II. 3w
MallenNC I have the last chapter of part one still to read but I‘m really interested in the story. I realized as i was reading that I also had mixed up which Naomi was which. I have a lot of sympathy for her bc being mixed up with someone in such a public way has to be difficult. 3w
KathyWheeler @MallenNC I have mixed them up multiple times. So often that I keep looking up The Beauty Myth to be sure which Noami I really mean. I felt bad for Klein because it has to be frustrating to be accused of saying something you didn‘t say. 3w
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Next up for #SheSaid!

Put in your library holds and interlibrary loans!

vlwelser This one is so new. I'm on the waitlist. Hopefully it comes through at least before the end of the month. 1mo
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Deblovestoread I just ordered this from Book Outlet. Would love to join for May. 1mo
willaful I've already read it, though you can keep me on the list to see what people have to say. 1mo
MallenNC I‘m looking forward to reading this one! 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser This is one of those times where I just decided to buy it. Which I almost never do anymore. I‘ve been much better at using my library and online library resources. 1mo
DebinHawaii I think I fell off the list but would love to be back on. I couldn‘t get my library hold in but I used a credit for the audiobook today. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii let me know if you got tagged in the new post. Your name is in the tag list, but maybe something isn‘t going through properly (edited) 3w
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Hello #SheSaid!

We have reached the end of another book! I got a lot from this one, I hope you did too. Let me know what you thought about the last section and the book as a whole. See you in the comments

CatLass007 I wish there were solutions for this crime against our fellow human beings. But all the Black Lives Matter marches and other protests won‘t change people‘s hearts. This and other books are good at stirring the emotions. But what are the answers? 1mo
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vlwelser I got so much from this book. This writer is amazing. The last part was so sad. All those young people that were basically murdered for absolutely no reason and no repercussions to the people that did it. 1mo
MallenNC I‘m glad to have read this with our group. It was sad and frustrating to read knowing that this amendment that some people think is so infallible was so flawed from the very start, purposefully and for racist reasons. It‘s another book that I think those who really need to read it never will. 1mo
willaful I think it's so important for this knowledge to be told and shared. And of course a lot of people are trying very hard to supress it. 🤬 1mo
willaful @MallenNC “It‘s another book that I think those who really need to read it never will.“ Ugh, painfully true. 1mo
DebinHawaii I missed last week‘s discussion but I was impressed by the book overall & learned a lot. Frustrating & heartbreaking. Sadly, not only do I think the people who need to read it won‘t, I also think even if they did, it wouldn‘t change their minds at this point. 🤬😖😥 Thank you for picking it & hosting. 1mo
Bookwormjillk I just finished. This was a tough book to read, but I‘m glad I did. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. 1mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

Anyone else finish this part just infuriated…

I did!

Plus, I left feeling like 90% of the problems we have today are because we were not strong enough to deal with 💩 the first time. 😱🤯

MallenNC Yes. I know it is important to know real history but it‘s horrible and infuriating to read about. I think about how different things might be today if Reconstruction had not been actively sabotaged. 1mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Yes. If they had won the war and followed through we everything in reconstruction… a different world we would be in. 1mo
vlwelser @MallenNC I definitely agree. All that stuff about Johnson blocking everything burned my butter. What a waste of a president that guy was. And to think he was Lincoln's vp and didn't align with what we assume Lincoln might have done is extra annoying. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC but as infuriating as it is to read, I do truly believe that old saying, that not knowing history and doomed to repeat it. It‘s the white-washing and refusal to teach and learn about it that is leading to us making the same mistakes over & over. (edited) 1mo
CatLass007 I vacillated between fury and sorrow. I had to take a break to listen to a different audiobook for a bit to get me out of my funk. @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC It‘s not just that we were too cowardly to fix 💩 the first time. It‘s not just about Reconstruction being sabotaged. It‘s about ALL the times we were cowardly and ALL the times progress was sabotaged. We only have to look as recently as the Charlottesville violence. We only (cont)⬇️ 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser yes, you know those old sci-fi time travel axiom, about going back in time to “kill Hitler” or whatever, feels like maybe it should be to “save Lincoln”. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 yes! The Supreme Court abd the Klan decision 🤬. I can totally see our current Supreme Court making some decisions just like that. 1mo
vlwelser 😂 or get rid of Johnson. But I like this premise. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I put it down for awhile in the middle and started reading Cultish 😂 1mo
CatLass007 have to look as recently as the January 6th insurrection. We only have to look as recently as the book bans that keep occurring. I don‘t know what the answer is. Most people are always going to hate and fear those who are different. Most people need to feel superior to someone else. Most people are completely unwilling to give up their power. I know this book is about the Second Amendment and how it has negatively affected Black (cont)⬇️ 1mo
CatLass007 Americans, but prejudice of all kinds runs rampant in this country and the world. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 Yes, she is writing specifically about the American 2nd Amendment and our issues with race. But I‘m pretty sure if you read histories of any other country that had colonialism or slavery in their history and find similar….it was and is white-supremacy, which is what European‘s decided gave them the “right” to colonize other countries, because they “knew better” what was “best”. They were “smarter” “more evolved” than “heathens” ⤵️ 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ it was the justification for whatever they did to others to make it ok in their own minds to treat them sub-humanly. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa And because they did do horrible things… to get land, labor, whatever…. They needed that justification legally and needed to believe it mentally to make what they were doing ok. But we have not rooted out that thinking yet….i think it is more entrenched in the US than many other places. Probably because we kept slavery longer than other countries, used imperialism after the original European countries were transitioning out of it, and then ⤵️ (edited) 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ doubled-down with Jim Crow, to basically reinforce it, and every time we get rid of one , like slavery to Jim Crow to Mass Incarceration to police brutality….we never really just say outright no, so it festers on in a new way and new form. (edited) 1mo
CatLass007 @vlwelser I have many relatives who believe things would be better if the South had been permitted to secede and if Lincoln hadn‘t “interfered.” @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree. The fanatics who distort the teachings of the Bible to support their belief in white supremacy are the ones who are the worst. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think that the problem is all our white-washing and refusal to learn the real history and confront it. Where places like Germany after Nazi‘s or South Africa after Apartheid had major reckonings and really cracked down on those still spouting old ideas, our history as evidenced here is placate the old beliefs, and protect those still espousing those ideas “for peace” over those that have been wronged. 1mo
vlwelser @CatLass007 my aunt was born on an army base in MS and is always horrified when we all suggest we let them go, but this would have solved this problem entirely. She'd still be a citizen. 1mo
Susanita She was a guest on the Now & Then podcast. It was a powerful episode. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/now-then/id1567665859?i=1000569632405 1mo
willaful This chapter was just devastating. And we're definitely doomed to repeat. I think probably the people who know this history the best are those trying to undo every positive change that has been laboriously made. 😡 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Susanita Thank you, I‘ll check it out 1mo
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Hello #SheSaid

How are you all this weekend? Still learning a lot from the book. I‘m a bit behind this week, so please start discussing without me, I‘ll check in later (hopefully today).

vlwelser I'm really loving this history lesson that she has delved into. I never tied all of these things together. It was taught in school like a bunch of disjointed facts. The writing is very accessible. And I don't feel bored by it. Magic. 1mo
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MallenNC A lot of horrifying parts of US history are brought together in this chapter. One thing that‘s really clear is how wrong it seems that some act like the constitution and it‘s writers were infalible. Which is if course the point of the book. 1mo
DebinHawaii ‘George Washington was greatly concerned, as he brought his enslaved entourage to his presidential residence in Philadelphia, a city where free Blacks were nearly five times more prevalent than those "still tethered to the institution of slavery." He worried that "the idea of freedom might be too great a temptation for them to resist." His wife, Martha Washington, was even more determined to "shield... her slaves from the contagion of liberty."? 1mo
DebinHawaii This chapter was both interesting & horrific. Made it even more clear what an incredibly white-washed history education I was given growing up. 😱🤬 (edited) 1mo
MallenNC @DebinHawaii Agree. The parts I did know were from reading and learning as an adult outside of school. 1mo
willaful This was pretty much all new to me, and so staggering. The hypocrisy of the founders and “lovers of liberty“... 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii right! I read a lot, so I had that thought before… but it still hits me every time it comes and I‘m still mad about how lied to I feel. And somehow still shocked that they left out XYZ when I was in school. And I should not be surprised considering recent discussions today about trying to control what is put in today‘s schoolbooks. 1mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

How are you this week?

Finding interesting things in this first part, things you knew already or were new to you? I found a bit of both, but like everything of Anderson‘s I‘ve read, she packs a lot of really well researched and sourced info into clear paragraphs without any extra fluff/tangents.

vlwelser This book is so interesting so far. The author is brilliant. She does an amazing job of giving the history of the second amendment and how it relates back to slavery. I never thought about how some of this all tied together. 2mo
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Bookwormjillk Interesting so far but I get so frustrated when these types of books completely ignore women‘s experiences. 2mo
CatLass007 The way our fellow human beings treat other human beings both infuriates me and makes me want to weep. 2mo
MallenNC I am appreciating this book. She does a great job spelling out how the 2nd amendment came to be in its final form, and the real purpose of it. I‘m interested to see where she takes the rest of the book. 2mo
staci.reads So far, it's engaging. I'm looking forward to see where she goes next now that the origin story is done. 2mo
DebinHawaii Very interesting so far. I didn‘t know about all the reasons the 2nd amendment was written & finalized. As usual, our U.S. history makes me shake my head (while hanging it in shame). 😡 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii Right 😂 it‘s crazy sometimes, some of history we do not teach (Shame part) is the most fascinating as far as truth is stranger than the glossy fiction version we think we know. And as twisted as it is, it is some very interesting and impressive political finagling to get the bread baked. And a really interesting side on some of our lionized “patriotic” “heroes” of the revolution. 2mo
willaful I think it's mostly info I knew but having it all put into context makes it much more powerful. And the historical background is so important. 2mo
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The updated list for the rest of this year!

Start planning your library holds and interlibrary loans!

Thank you everyone for your suggestions, nominations, and votes!

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vlwelser 😍😍😍😍 2mo
ncsufoxes I‘ve been behind on reading (I started March‘s book but haven‘t finished). Definitely excited about Stoneblind, I just finished 2 of her other books & loved them. I‘ve been slowly reading Unwell Women for a while, so definitely nice to have the motivation to finish it 2mo
CatLass007 This is an exciting list! 2mo
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Up next for #SheSaid!

Please put in you library holds and interlibrary loans and see you on Sunday!

Bookwormjillk I was able to get this one from the library so count me in this month. 2mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwormjillk her books are usually very well written and researched, a lot in not many pages, I‘m really looking forward to this one. 2mo
DebinHawaii Hoping my library hold comes in this week! 2mo
willaful I'm travelling for a lot of this month but will try to participate. 2mo
CatLass007 It‘s all ready for me to start listening. 2mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I hope you are all enjoying the end of this read! It was a good one that I put off for a long time, but I think it came up to read here at the right time when I finally read it….some book serendipity..bookendipity …the right book at the right time when we really needed to hear it (especially if you live in the US… we have to make more trouble here I think before it gets better).

Let me know what you think in the comments

CatLass007 I‘m still finishing up the last section but what We‘ve read so far has been fascinating. Cecile Richards comes from political royalty! She hasn‘t been just riding her mother‘s coattails, however. She is a force to be reckoned with in her own right. It is extremely painful that women are fighting the same battles over and over again. I was not aware that Planned Parenthood has been in existence for over 100 years and was begun to help (cont)⬇️ (edited) 2mo
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CatLass007 women receive access to contraceptives. And now the white men in power are trying to take away that freedom also. It has rarely been safe to be a woman but any progress we make is negated repeatedly. We need to #MakeTrouble! 2mo
vlwelser I was so inspired by this. She is so fierce. 2mo
MallenNC I really enjoyed this one, especially learning about all the phases of her activism, from her teen years to now. I also learned more about her mom, and her mother‘s influence. It made me sad that we‘ve fallen further backward from some of the progress made at the time the book was written. 2mo
CatLass007 https://www.thecut.com/article/cecile-richards-brain-cancer-abortion-planned-par... I just googled Cecile Richards again and this article came up. It‘s sad but as @vlwelser said, “She is so fierce.” 2mo
DebinHawaii This was an interesting & important read. What an incredible woman & family & a call to action. Hoping she beats her cancer battle! If anyone can, it‘s her. 2mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

Sorry for the late post everyone. My grandmother is in the hospital and I spent the day there. Finally home and have Wi-Fi again (also ran out of data while I was out 🤣 bad planning on my part).

Apparently I was not ready to Make Trouble today….see you in the comments.

(And yes, my grandma is ok, might need a pacemaker, I‘ll know more tomorrow after some tests)

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m still enjoying these chapters and sections, so much good advice about life in there. I really hope the version I have from the library has most updated Afterword, if not I may have to check other versions. 2mo
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TheBookgeekFrau Glad your Grandma is Ok! 🙏🏼 everything continues in a positive direction 💕 2mo
vlwelser I'm really loving this book. She has great advice. And her story itself is so interesting. All of the fighting for reproductive rights is amazing. She inspires a feeling of a need for civil engagement. Not just voting but real action. 2mo
CatLass007 I‘m glad your grandmother is going to be okay. My Mom had a pacemaker and it was very helpful. This is an excellent memoir. It would never have been my choice to have an abortion. But choice is what men are trying to take away from women. I don‘t think anyone who has tried to control women the way politicians and the religious right are doing cares anything about the unborn. This is about control. Always has been. Always will be. People (cont)⬇️ 2mo
CatLass007 like Cecile Richards are fighting for our freedom. Not just reproductive rights but freedom in every sense of the word. 2mo
AllDebooks What an absolutely inspirational woman. I'm with her 💯 on the right to choose what happens to your own body and autonomy. Fantastic memoir, and I'm so glad I read it. 2mo
AllDebooks Glad you're grandma is doing ok 2mo
MallenNC I glad your grandma is ok! I am behind on this book but I am enjoying what I‘ve been able to read so far. I hope to catch up and finish it this week. 2mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

You nominated a lot of unique and beautiful choices to add to our reading list. Now we have to narrow them down a little.

https://forms.gle/VKesPCU1z6dVwuvVA

Please check out all those nominated and let us know which you would be interested in reading with our group. Right now the fiction & nonfiction are mixed together, we can sort them later.

I‘ll post the survey again in the comments for easy clicking.

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CatLass007 Thanks for the tag! Was there a post requesting nominations? I somehow missed that. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 it was awhile ago, I‘ll tag you there too. But I also added an “other”… write-in spot on the survey to add too. 2mo
Bookwormjillk Wow, that‘s quite the list! I‘ll do some research and will vote soon. 2mo
CatLass007 If it was before I joined the group in mid-January, that‘s fine. I didn‘t actually start reading until February, so there‘s no need to tag me on the nomination post. There already are plenty of books to sort through and vote on. 2mo
CatLass007 Is there an end date to vote? Is there a limit on the number of books we can vote for? 2mo
AllDebooks Blimey, that's an incredible list. Voted 😊 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 vote for as many as you want. And maybe the end of the month. We have a book for April picked already, but then we need to add some new ones 2mo
CatLass007 Thank you! 2mo
staci.reads Done! Added a lot of them to my tbr list too! 2mo
MallenNC I put in my votes! Great list. Most of the ones I didn‘t pick were ones I‘ve read before, otherwise I‘d have voted for them too. 2mo
Singout What @MallenNC said (or ones not available in my library). 2mo
vlwelser Voted. Same as @MallenNC basically voted for everything I haven't already read. 2mo
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Hello #SheSaid! How are you this weekend?
How‘s the book going?

I‘m a chapter behind, but hoping to catch up tonight, but still really enjoying this one. I hope you are too.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m a bit in awe of how much really goes into organizing and campaigning. It‘s amazing how time & labor intensive it really is, and how much we don‘t respect it as a job and work. 2mo
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CatLass007 The only thing I know about political campaigns I learned from watching West Wing. Her life and her mother‘s life are so amazing. I had forgotten that Ann Richards was divorced and alcoholic. And that‘s okay since she stayed sober. It‘s interesting that her husband didn‘t leave her until she got sober. I guess he felt an obligation until she could fend for herself and her family. 2mo
vlwelser I got caught up! This one is great so far. What an amazing woman! And Ann Richards! I don't know where you found this but thank you for bringing this to the group. 2mo
MallenNC This is a good one! I really enjoyed the chapter about campaigning in her mother‘s race for governor. It‘s easy to forget how hard that process can be on the candidate‘s family. Prior to this I only had a little knowledge about her mother or about how Cecile really started as an activist. 2mo
Suet624 Oh shoot. I‘ve been so busy I didn‘t see you were reading this. This sounds great! 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Suet624 It‘s ok, start anytime…the posts will still be here to check in as you get through sections 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser You‘re welcome 😂 it‘s been on my book radar forever. She‘s very involved with Planned Parenthood and ever since it (and she) came up in the news back when she testified before Congress (way in the beginning of this book and a lifetime ago now) I‘ve been meaning to read this. And the reminders as Abortion, Women‘s Healthcare, and now in-vitro I kept thinking about it and moving it up my personal list. At this point it may need a ⤵️ 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ new, new, new afterword. 2mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m enjoying this so far. I want to get back to Planned Parenthood, but this backstory of organizing on multiple levels is very interesting, and something we all probably need to pay attention to and get involved with again as we need to fight for rights we thought we had, all over again…at least in the US.

vlwelser I never started this yet. I left my book in MA and went to FL. I'll try to catch up. 3mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser It‘s ok. I still have not finished the book before 😂. Take your time, catch up when you can….and don‘t stress about it. We will all get there when we get there. 3mo
CatLass007 This was an excellent selection for #SheSaid! Cecile Richards has led an amazing life. Let‘s see what happens next! 3mo
MallenNC I‘m a little behind bc my hold only came in on Friday but I‘m glad we‘re reading her story. I‘ve seen her on TV and I know of her mother but I‘m excited to learn more. 3mo
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Up next for #SheSaid….and somehow it‘s falling at a very good time for reading it, bad time for women in the US.

So put in your library holds, interlibrary loans for this one starting next weekend.

vlwelser I requested this with my other March books and it's been staring at me, all ready to go. 3mo
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DebinHawaii I put in the request for this & hoping it comes in soon! 3mo
mhillis I‘ve got my copy! 3mo
CatLass007 I‘ve got my copy! I wanted to clarify something. Is my understanding correct that you are the host for both #SheSaid and the #Nonfiction 2024 Bingo Board? What source did you use to determine what fiction prompts to use? Is there something resembling a master list of banned books that I can google? I feel like I would enjoy thumbing my nose at the right wing fanatics who try to tell others what they can and cannot read. (edited) 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 Yes, both are me. You can just google Banned Books and multiple websites will come up. Many libraries do their own Banned Books Week now, abd you can get details by state on banned & challenged books broken down by year usually & state. The American Library Association also collects a lot of data on the issue and has statistics on their site. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 Here is even a TN specific list for you ⤴️ 3mo
CatLass007 Thank you so much! I did some googling yesterday and found the American Library Association. But one specific to Tennessee is great! (edited) 3mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

Another one in the books! I‘m not quite finished yet, but still moving along slowly. I am finding that I need to take these slow, read one and let it percolate for a bit before starting the next. How are you all feeling as you finish up this section and this book?

CatLass007 I find myself taking these slowly also. I have two more essays left to listen to but I already have Make Trouble standing by. 3mo
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DebinHawaii I finished the book last week as the library book needed to go back. Overall, I thought it a great collection—powerful & moving & I am still thinking about some of the essays. 3mo
AllDebooks I've got my copy ready to go 3mo
willaful I'm also reading slowly, despite appreciating every essay. It's a lot! 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful I know I was feeling bad about falling behind, but sometimes it‘s better to go slow absorb it all too. 3mo
mhillis Thanks for recommending this book! The essays are powerful. It gave me a different perspective 3mo
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How are you doing this weekend?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m helping with homework today 😂… So I‘ll catch up on the comments when I get a chance later. I‘m still finding this book very relatable, even if I was not its intended audience. Which to me highlights how universal some of the themes are, even when it is highlighting a specific group that often does not get recognized…. Or maybe more gets downplayed by society as not having yet another of one of those very human qualities. So getting a ⤵️ 3mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ lot from it, but trying to remember and take in the message too. That just like the “Strong Black Woman” can hide that Black Woman have pain too and lead it to be untreated or taken seriously and therefore bad hospital outcomes for normal things like childbirth. Take what I can personally, but also remember the bigger message here. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I wish it was something we‘d get past as a society…that some humans are not seen as human yet..still…ever….but we are so very far from that. 3mo
CatLass007 Your last comment is achingly true. 3mo
staci.reads @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Good points. The essays in this section held less personal connections for me. This was a reminder that it was time to sit back, listen, and learn. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads it‘s odd, but after I wrote this I saw two things that reflected it back to me…one was a special about diabetes….and losing limbs to it…. Again, relatable, my grandfather had the sane happen. But the story was specifically about African Americans who are more likely to have limbs amputated from diabetes than others….why? Again like maternity deaths..race played a huge role. From being untrusting of doctors and shots (like insulin)⤵️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa …from decades of bad science practiced on African Americans in this country, to the amputate and send them home, so not lots of time and effort on the medical fields end…besides other treatments take time & money.🙄 which basically is assuming a group of the population isn‘t worth the time, assumes they won‘t follow through, or that they can‘t afford it. Again, relatable.. but much deeper issues that are not about and go way beyond the parts I ⤵️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ Find relatable. So listen & learn, and not just think ‘oh yea, my grandfather too…same‘ (edited) 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa The other was about the current case against Fani Willis, the DA in a case against Trump for election interference that now is on trial for improperly dating the prosecutor. Someone had posted a link to an article on it on an earlier thread for this book, but the initial..‘yea, women are judged different…same‘ thought, needed to give way to the others discussing how hard it is for Black Women especially and especially on this case. ⤵️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ some of the allegation was financial benefit… but this show talked about how the Doxing and threats started very early on because of that other case, which means she often paid in cash for things, just so people couldn‘t track her to stalk her/picket her/protest her/or worse…and even her father testifying how he taught her from a young age to keep a safe box and keep cash, because you never knew when your money could be kept or taken from you⤵️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ your cards not accepted here, just because. He was very interesting to listen to. So again, so many more factors than you realize at first glance….if you listen long enough and pay attention. 3mo
DebinHawaii @staci.reads I love how you put this. It‘s how I felt about this section too. 3mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I hope you are having a good weekend and enjoying these essays by different authors. Some are so very powerful and relatable.

See you in the comments!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Anyone else thinking of adding Brené Brown to their reading list…as a bunch of essays refer to her work/writing. (edited) 3mo
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CatLass007 Brene Brown has been on my radar for the last several months. Because of this book she‘s moved way up on my priority list. If anyone is familiar with her writing, I‘d love some guidance about to read first. 3mo
willaful I'm really enjoying the essays. As a fat woman, I relate a lot to the mistrust around medical care, and I enjoyed the free use of the word “crazy,“ because I've trained myself not to use terms other people find disparaging but honestly, crazy is a really meaningful word. 3mo
Singout I‘m totally behind, but as a Christian could totally relate to “Love Lifted Me” Not so much from the experience of personal shame, but the description of how Christian cultural groups can have a huge influence on members of their community. The last few sentences about how much better we could do really inspired me. 3mo
DebinHawaii @CatLass007 I would start with either The Gifts of Imperfection or Daring Greatly although I am working my way through Atlas of the Heart right now & it‘s also very good. 3mo
DebinHawaii I am enjoying the essays as well. I thought Marc Lamont Hill‘s point was very powerful: “It‘s not enough for me to just not be homophobic. I cannot be friends with homophobes. I have to actually be willing to divest myself from relationships that are unhealthy. We all do.” And I really liked The Blues of Vulnerability” too—about making the space to listen to younger people as how we transform & change the world. 3mo
CatLass007 @DebinHawaii Thank you.😘 I know there are many who think we shouldn‘t end friendships for “political” reasons. But I have divested myself from relationships because of moral reasons. It‘s not easy but do I really want to be friends with the cousin who thinks that Abraham Lincoln shouldn‘t have started the Civil War and he ruined the country? (edited) 3mo
staci.reads @CatLass007 I would recommend Dare to Lead as well 3mo
CatLass007 @staci.reads Thank you! 3mo
staci.reads In Love Lifted Me, I highlighted "And the sad part is, some of us have so internalized such a skewed and distorted version of our faith tradition that we perpetuate this kind of emotional and spiritual violence on other women. To the point where men no longer have to be the enactors." Across the board, women have to be better at not harming other women with our internalized patriarchial biases. 3mo
staci.reads I also appreciated Marc Lamotte Hill calling out men's "expressions of masculine rage" as emotion too and calling out that double standard, highlighting that "as long as our only legible emotion is anger, we are never shamed like women are for their emotions." 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii Yes! It took me a long time to get there, especially with relatives that I for some reason thought I could not cut out…but eventually I realized that being quiet made them think I agreed, and pushing back with facts did no good, so not hanging around them was the best for all involved. They can be close-minded and bitter without me, I don‘t need it in my life. 🤷‍♀️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Yes, I‘m finding a lot of this relatable as just a woman myself…not to mention all the other labels people seem to discriminate against. 3mo
willaful @staci.reads Oh very true. Women can be excellent tools of the patriarchy. 3mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That‘s a very brave thing for you to do. If you divest yourself from a family member, are any other family members going to push back and tell you you‘re making the wrong decision? It‘s something that can really be painful. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I think my family has some very deeply divided lines, and for years liberal lefties and national security conservatives could at least see what each meant, agreed on some things, agreed to disagree on others, but very civil. I think Trump pushed all that and changed how people converse about them. He destroyed the middle group issues, and encouraged everyone to be as uncivil in their discussions as possible. People I use to have⤵️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ crazy holiday conversations with and just shake my head after… now you can not engage in conversation at all. Because it is all their way or nothing, no discussion, and the amount of misinformation and now outright Russian propaganda they are starting to parrot is hard to meet them halfway on. Could I meet you halfway and say we both have good points about military spending verses domestic spending…sure. Can I meet you halfway about ⤵️ 3mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Trump has done so much to harm our country and if he gets elected, he will have a scorched earth effect. He loves the drama and the chaos because he‘s got people jumping through his hoops. It really is a circus. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ funding for Ukraine, or women‘s rights, or geez…even Bill Cosby… no, I can not. You want to think all umpteen accusers were all lying for publicity and are happy he got out on a technicality when he admitted he did it. I could agree the law messed up that case, but not that he was innocent 🙄. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa And sadly for me it highlighted very serious flaws in their thinking and reasoning, and how they truly feel about and treat other human beings. Basically unleashed their more racist, homophobia, Muslim, Jewish, women hating selves (whatever trump is on that week)…and I‘m not ok with that. It feels like it‘s devolved into Hate, just for Hate‘s sake. And again, whatever he says is the “truth”. 3mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I was skeptical of the accusations against Bill Cosby. I grew up with Bill Cosby, starting with Fat Albert and moving on to Jell-O pudding and The Cosby Show. I couldn‘t understand how he and Phylicia Rashad managed to make two tv shows together. How did she manage to avoid being another woman he‘d assaulted? How did she not know what was going on? But I watched the Amazon Prime Documentary and I finally got it. His (cont) 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 Did you see Jimmy Kimmel interviews with Trump supporters where he changed the names from Trump to Biden and got totally different answers 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I loved Picture Pages 3mo
CatLass007 ability to create such a realistic facade. Realistic to millions and to the people closest to him. 3mo
CatLass007 I don‘t watch late night tv. Although if a clip shows up on my news feed, I sometimes watch it. I may look this one up. 3mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Picture Pages? I was just thinking that Trump doesn‘t even bother to build a facade. The ugliness and vileness inside him are on full display. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 picture Pages was another thing Cosby did when I was little along with Fat Albert 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I‘ll attach a clip here ⤴️ for Kimmel (edited) 3mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Wow, I don‘t remember Picture Pages at all. Thinks for the Kimmel link. 3mo
CatLass007 Oh, good lord! People are so, not just hypocritical, but gullible, to excuse Trump‘s behavior. I don‘t know in what part of the country in which you live, but I live in East Tennessee and the area is about as red as it gets. In past presidential elections one precinct only voted blue and there‘s a good sized university there. I‘ve been fortunate to make a few friends who are liberal/progressive. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I‘m in the middle of Pennsylvania… and it‘s rural and deep red too. 3mo
CatLass007 I saw an election map of Tennessee. I can‘t find the picture but in West Tennessee (where Memphis is located) it‘s solid blue and as the colors move from west to east they fade to purple (around Nashville) to solid blue, which is where I live. Oy. 3mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I hope your weekend is going well….and I hope you are all enjoying this one. See you in the comments ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m “liking” this book. It can be raw, but I really appreciate that. Sometimes the things we keep to ourselves to be strong, are the things we need to share to be human. 4mo
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CatLass007 This is a book I would encourage any Black woman to read. I would encourage anyone who has experienced trauma and has experienced shame because of the trauma, to read it. And probably people who provide therapy or counseling. (edited) 4mo
staci.reads This has been a great read so far. "We often carry our trama in similar ways, but the roads that led us to the trauma are all so different. We must pay attention to that road. That road is our humanity." What a great passage to help introduce the purpose of the collection of essays! 4mo
staci.reads I loved Jason Reynolds's essay. The parallel stories of his grandfather and his mother's hospitalizations and the oak tree metaphors really worked for me. His mother sounds like an amazing woman. 4mo
staci.reads I really connected with Channing Brown's essay, too. The discussion of "foreboding joy" felt personal to me, but the next level, the increased awareness the "level of apprehension" [for Black people] "that isn't wrought from an uneasy feeling of undeservedness, but from the knowledge that racism is a silent stalker always willing to wring joy from our lives." Just powerfully stated. 4mo
staci.reads Hemphill's piece was filled with highlights for me as well. "It is necessary for your safety that you've know what this world finds dangerous about you." "This country has made a practice of denying the existence of trauma in Black bodies and communities and also denying its own role, ultimately, in traumatizing us." Just a couple that stood out. 4mo
DebinHawaii @staci.reads I wrote down that quote on trauma & the roads that led us there too. Very powerful. 4mo
DebinHawaii Having read a lot of Brene‘ Brown, her concept of “foreboding joy” has always resonated with me so I found Channing Brown‘s essay especially powerful. 4mo
DebinHawaii @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I am liking it too. Very powerful and raw. 4mo
Singout I started this two weeks ago, and I‘m listening to it as audios, so it‘s to remember what came from which author, but I am really finding it valuable. Laymon really resonated with me; I found the last one in the set important, but a bit too dense to follow in audio. I loved the passionate and honest dialogue between Tarana Burke and Brené Brown at the beginning. 4mo
CatLass007 I like the introduction to new-to-me writers. I‘ve added several to my Audible wish list and now that I have my new glasses I‘m thinking about which books would work better in print. The authors have put a lot of “bang” into these brief essays. 4mo
MallenNC I am liking this one too. I haven‘t ever actually read Brene Brown (no reason, I just haven‘t) and was kind of curious about her involvement here so I‘m glad she and Tarana Burke included their conversation in the intro. 4mo
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Up Next for #SheSaid!

Put in your library holds and interlibrary loans!

AllDebooks I'm going to skip this one as I can't get hold of a copy. Please keep me on the taglist tho. 4mo
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DebinHawaii I put it on hold at my library so 🤞🏼 it comes in! 4mo
CatLass007 Please add me to your tag list. I‘ve already got my book and look forward to reading and discussing this with a new group of Littens. I decided to read more nonfiction this year so I‘m signed up for this, #NaturaLitsy2024, and I am pouring over the Bingo card for #Nonfiction2024. Then I looked on Goodreads and discovered I read more nonfiction than I realized in 2023. Now I‘m even more excited to do the two buddy reads and the Bingo challenge. 4mo
Singout Just started last night: excellent insights! 4mo
staci.reads The Kindle version of this is $4.99 right now. I just got my first Kindle a few days ago, so I was excited to make this one of my first downloads! 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Excellent! I got mine from the library, but might just buy it. I‘m liking this one so far. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks & @DebinHawaii On sale on kindle $4.99 if you are interested (edited) 4mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa What time of day do you usually post discussion questions? Do you tag the group on all or any of the questions? 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 yes, I post the tag list every time. And it‘s usually between noon & 1pm East Coast US time. But sometimes it‘s off depending on my weekend plans. 4mo
CatLass007 Great! Thank you. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 You‘re welcome 4mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

Sorry for the day late post!

Bookwormjillk Sorry Melissa, I bailed on this one. I really wanted to like it! 4mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sorry again for the late post, it‘s been a long January for me. I‘ll be so glad for February. Anyone still plugging along with this book? Finding any kernels to enjoy? 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwormjillk Yes, it sounds like you weren‘t alone there. Sorry I couldn‘t be on the journey either with you on this one to encourage or commiserate either. 4mo
AllDebooks I'm late to start. I liked the 1st chapter. I'll keep going as I really enjoyed Sobel's 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks I haven‘t started it yet… long month here 🤷‍♀️ 4mo
AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa oh dear.I hope you have some time to yourself soon x 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks Thank you. I hope so too. Moved my nephew and his girlfriend into my house this month. They are both going to college full time and working full time and were still struggling with rent. Rents are crazy here and their apartment wasn‘t even nice. Then we lost power for a few days with a storm, had frozen pipes to deal with after, and then I came down with Covid.😂 crazy long month. Now just need to help put away all their stuff 😉 4mo
AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yikes, that is full-on. How kind of you to take them in. X 4mo
Bookwormjillk @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yikes, hope it gets easier next month! 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwormjillk It will. It was just a crazy one this month.😂 4mo
Smrloomis Wow, hope everyone is finally getting some rest. It‘s tough to study full-time and work full-time too! Rent is insanely high where I live too so I‘m sure they appreciate you taking them in! 4mo
vlwelser I still haven't finished part 2. I'm also recovering from covid. And my company laid off 1650 employees on Friday. One was a direct report. One was a former manager. It's a lot. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser That is a lot, very emotional and heavy…and worse when you are sick on top of everything else. I hope you start feeling well soon, and that everyone you care about and all the others find good work soon 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa That is just so many employees. 4mo
ShelleyBooksie @Riveted_Reader_Melissa - are you doing a 2024 non fiction bingo? 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ShelleyBooksie yes, just look under #Nonfiction2024 add template to the end for the blank card 4mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

How is everyone doing this weekend? Read picking up any for you? I‘m going to have to skip this one for now and circle back later… moving my nephew and his girlfriend into my house right now so quiet reading time has disappeared for awhile. Hopefully it will settle down again soon and I can catch up again.

vlwelser I'm definitely not finished with part 2 yet. It's interesting but it's also quite boring. It's like a list of activities mare than anything else. Like the author took the facts and added in bits of correspondence. But that 4mo
vlwelser Oops... Is all there is to this. I bet it took an absurd amount of time. A for effort? 4mo
Bookwormjillk I‘m still struggling with this one. I was looking for an audiobook version, but my library doesn‘t have it. I‘ll see how far I can get on kindle tonight. It‘s a shame because the history of science particularly astronomy and physics is one of my favorite subjects, but there just doesn‘t seem to be enough here to make a book. 4mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

Very late post! Sorry I got way behind…. How are you liking this one so far? Please post when you can, sorry I missed Sunday.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa For some reason I remembered this one was 3 parts, and in my mind it was skipping the first Sunday, then 3 weeks. So sorry 5mo
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Bookwormjillk Looking through Litsy I saw I had started this one and bailed once before. It's holding my interest so far this time, but I'm hoping part 2 focuses more on the ladies. 5mo
willaful I read chapter one and just couldn't follow it so I'm not going to continue with the read this month. :-( (edited) 5mo
DebinHawaii I am struggling a bit with it keeping my interest. I made it only through the first 3 chapters this week, but I am going to try to power through before next Saturday & see if I like it better. 5mo
vlwelser I thought it was interesting. It may be a little dry. But I just read a chapter here and there. 5mo
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#Pantone2023 card too for last year, it‘s also not finished… oops 😂…. I blame way to much Zelda this past year! @Clwojick

Clwojick Great job! Thank you for participating!
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My end of the year #Nonfiction2023! Not a complete card, but boy some great books in there!

And I can see I‘m way WAY behind on reviews 😂. New Years Resolution, go back to reviewing right after I finish or I won‘t get back to it. 🤣

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#Nonfiction2024 is here! And it‘s a big challenge this year.

First, these are not the books you need to read…although if you haven‘t read them, I encourage you to read them.

These are banned books, and they are banned for subject matter they contain that we find objectionable for some reason.

Your challenge is to read a nonfiction book about a similar subject:
Examples below⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ Harry Potter “promotes witchcraft”… maybe a nonfiction book about witches or Salem, too dark for you…maybe a book about Wiccan beliefs. Or go a different direction, a book with an orphan.
~ Reading about anything helps us understand and understanding & empathy diffuses fear.
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ So take these the way you want…a nonfiction about the core subject, or a tangential connection… not feeling like diving into the tough topics in some books… that‘s ok too….we all need a break from tough topics sometimes too. Maybe instead of diving into topics from Kafka on the Shore, an uplifting book about marine life. A book that includes the Shore, etc 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ Maus… you could go into the history it tries to impart, but if that‘s to heavy, maybe a great book about graphic novel writing, or a something about cats and/or mice. 5mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ As always, your choice! Make it fun for you! Be as creative as you want with your choices…..And tag us as you go! (We all need more suggestions) (edited) 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures This is a fabulous idea!! I didn't read as much nonfiction as I wanted in 2023 so I need this! 5mo
youneverarrived Amazing idea! 🖤 Looking forward to joining in! 5mo
Deblovestoread Challenge accepted! Love this! ❤️💚❤️ 5mo
AnneCecilie Love this idea. I see several books I haven‘t read and want to read, so I might take this challenge literal. 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AnneCecilie I‘m the same…for some I‘ll probably read the banned book and then a nonfiction book. And as few are non-fiction books, so they could count as themselves too. 😉 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ChaoticMissAdventures @AnnCecilie @youneverarrived and @Deblovestoread Welcome! I try to come up with a theme and board each year. You can just go for bingo or we have a few over-achievers that go for coverall. It‘s all up to what works best for you. Enjoy and have fun with your choices! 5mo
Larkken Interesting! Saving to look into later. Thank you ☺️ 5mo
Singout Thank you! This looks like a really cool structure. And it‘s year five for me! 5mo
peanutnine Wow I love this concept! Excited to take part again in 2024! I read much more nonfiction this year and I'd like to continue. Thanks for putting this together ☺️ 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Singout & @peanutnine You‘re welcome! This year‘s theme came to me much easier than some years….but then again, it has been a year with a lot of new book banning. 🫤 (edited) 5mo
Amiable Oh, how I love this nonfiction bingo challenge! My brain is already in overdrive trying to think of matches. Thanks! 5mo
Zuhkeeyah I love this year‘s theme! 5mo
Zuhkeeyah Should I make a Storygraph challenge for this year‘s prompts? (It was helpful for me when tracking progress on this year‘s caustic theme.) 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Zuhkeeyah if you want to, you definitely can! I am not on Storygraph, but anywhere you want to share it is fine with me. 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Maybe I should check out Storygraph 5mo
willaful Great concept! I've was just thinking today that I really should listen to the audiobook of Born a Crime, so I'll probably do that one literally. 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful That‘s fine too, a few are nonfiction so totally works. And that‘s a really good one. 5mo
willaful @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I read it in print and enjoyed it very much, and then my daughter's high school class listened to the audiobook and it sounded like so much fun, I've been meaning to do it. (I love that for today's kids!) 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful He reads it himself, and being a comedian… he can make even tense things funny when he tells them. 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Not all books are good as audiobooks, but some like that one are even better because of the Narration. 5mo
kspenmoll Wow. I am proud that I have read all but 3 on the bingo board. It‘s hard to fathom these books are banned in places. Especially Florida… 4mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Will you please add me to your tag list? Is there a tag list? 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I do not have a tag list, sorry. I just tag the #Nonfiction2024 and then anyone can search by it. 4mo
CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Okay. Thanks. I thought that might be the case. It‘s very sad and more than a little bit scary that the number of banned books is even higher than the books on your Bingo card. 4mo
CatLass007 I‘ve had Born A Crime in my Audible library since not long after it was released. Sometimes I need a little extra incentive to listen to any given book. 4mo
CatLass007 You indicated in your post that there were examples of pairings, but I can‘t find the examples. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 if you open the comments, they were like the first couple comments under the post 4mo
CatLass007 Thank you. For some reason I wasn‘t able to find them before and it took me a minute just now. 4mo
CatLass007 I feel like I‘m being a nuisance but I‘ve never done this challenge before. Or any challenge for that matter. I understand the challenge and I‘m very excited about it. But I have no idea how to put a picture of a book I‘ve read on the Bingo card. Make sense? Do you use an app like PicCollage? If that‘s the particular app I need to use, I‘m screwed, because I don‘t find it intuitive at all. Any advice you can provide would be appreciated. (cont)⬇️ 4mo
CatLass007 I hate to be one of those people who needs handholding to perform a task that others find as easy as pie. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 You are fine! First rule, there are no bad questions! If we don‘t ask, we can‘t learn anything new. I take a screenshot of the book cover, usually on Goodreads, crop it as a photo so it‘s just the cover, then use a free app called GoDaddy Studio (formerly Over), that just lets me layer 1 picture overtop the other. I‘m sure there are many others that do the same. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 and it‘s only easy as pie once you played with it once or twice. 4mo
CatLass007 Thank you. I appreciate your information and encouragement. 4mo
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Put in your library holds and inter-library loans for January….and until then, Happy Holidays!

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Hello #SheSaid!

Can‘t wait to discuss this in the comments!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I will admit, I was initially disappointed by the ending, even though it was the ending I did not want, but sort of expected. But!!!! As an allegory for how a community can self police and non-conformers to the new “way” can hide “illegal” things and eventually be hidden themselves…was so good for a look at how fascism states grow and thrive as everyone conforms that wants to fit-in, that they eventually throw their own things away, burn ⤵️ (edited) 5mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ burn them, and a few hide and treasure them but are then hunted as criminals for that resistance. But as they conform and give in, they really lose pieces of themselves and fade, every time they go “that‘s just the way it is” and allow more and more to be wiped away, intentionally not talked or thought about, no longer mentioned or discussed…they fade further themselves into the background. (edited) 5mo
MallenNC I just finished this today so I‘m still thinking about what I got from it. I also wanted to know Why? this was happening but I had prepared myself to not get answers. I agree with your take. I also think it was saying as everyone accepted losing more and more, eventually they lost themselves all together. I‘d love to read about the story within the story and how it parallels what‘s happening in her world. 5mo
MallenNC I‘m glad to have read this. It‘s different from what I typically read for sure. 5mo
DebinHawaii I am still unpacking this one as well. It wasn‘t the ending I wanted either but the writing is beautiful & your point about being an allegory for fascism & conformity is spot on. And also the losing of one‘s self as @MallenNC said. 5mo
MallenNC @DebinHawaii I wanted to know why it was happening but I don‘t think any reason the author provided would have worked completely so I‘m coming around to that. I may read or listen to this one again, which I don‘t do a lot. Just to see what connections I can make on a second time around. 5mo
mhillis I read this book back in 2020, and at that time, this article really got me thinking https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/memory-police-ogawa-coronavirus-social-distanc... 5mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I don‘t know about you, but the more they all forget, the more questions I have come to mind… I‘m really curious where and how this story will end!

MallenNC I‘m liking this book even though I‘m prepared to be frustrated at the end. I want to know why this disappearance/forgetting is happening. What are the people in charge trying to do here? But it‘s got me hooked. 6mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Same! Will they all just forget themselves and everything and disappear 🤷‍♀️ Is it really something on the island only and the police are trying to contain it from spreading and therefore interested in the genes of those that don‘t forget and studying them while not letting others leave 🤷‍♀️. I can not figure it out yet…. But that‘s a good thing too sometimes. Sometimes predictable is boring 😂 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I definitely cannot figure it out. I don‘t read a lot of speculative fiction so I can‘t guess. It‘s an interesting concept for sure. And now there‘s the story within the story from the MC‘s book, which is also trying to tell us something I‘m sure. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Yes, all her books are about disappearing things too… so very interesting. And now she is talking about how her houseguest is “fading” too. It‘s hard to say to much without giving anything away to those further behind in the book. 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yes! I don‘t want to spoil either. 6mo
DebinHawaii It‘s very intriguing for sure. I am hoping at the end it does come together with some explanation but sometimes in speculative fiction you don‘t get that. 6mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

How are you “enjoying” our fiction this month? It‘s a nice change from non-fiction, but I‘m not sure enjoying is quite right. 😱 so far I‘m sucked into it though, very curious on where it‘s going next.

Bookwormjillk I read this last December for #AuthorAMonth and you‘re right- enjoy isn‘t the word. But I did find it fascinating. 6mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I liked the set up, and the slow build, despite being dystopian it‘s an easy read and page turner. Sometimes the international novels (just like foreign films) for me are so interesting because it‘s not the same idea/formalaic/predictable course you‘ve see a bunch before, they take things in a different way. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwormjillk fascinating is a good word. 6mo
vlwelser I already read this last year but I'm going to spy on you all if that's ok. 🤗😘 6mo
MallenNC This is different than what I usually read but I am liking it. It took me a couple of tries to really start reading it but now I want to know what happens. This week‘s section ended in a good place — it seems like the story is really getting started at that point. 6mo
monkeygirlsmama Intrigued by the synopsis. Stacking this! 6mo
DebinHawaii I agree with the fascinating part & yes, it‘s hard to say “enjoy” about a dystopian story but it is definitely drawing me in & making me think & ask lots of questions already. 6mo
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Up Next #SheSaid!

Sorry for the late schedule post!

Are we ready for some fiction?

DebinHawaii I bought this one the other day at my indie bookstore. Looking forward to reading it! 6mo
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willaful I can't find it at the library, so I guess I'll skip this month. 6mo
Smrloomis I really liked this one so hope everyone else likes it too!! 6mo
KathyWheeler I‘ve already read this one. I probably won‘t reread it since it wasn‘t that long ago but I‘ll try to join the discussion. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Interlibrary loans are great, it might not work out for this one, but it‘s a great service you could try in the future if you‘ve never tried it before, I highly recommend. 6mo
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Hello #SheSaid! Sorry for the late post, got distracted with the family this long holiday weekend here in the US. I hope you all are having a great weekend wherever you are AND enjoying the end of this book.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I liked this one, I know a few of you found it repetitive with things we‘ve read previously, but I still felt like I got something from it. I liked the mix of stories, personal antedates, studies, and how she brought it all together. For me, how our unconscious brain works and developed through evolution to other outside groups as dangerous in ways we don‘t even realize was new, and knowing makes it easier to question those instincts. ⤵️ (edited) 6mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ so for me, still insightful beyond the history of how it came about as a tool of imperialism and colonialism and economic gain & labor windfall…. That biological part was still interesting, & to me, important for how so many went along for so long and still do with easy superficial categorization & prejudices. All that fake science, inferiority of the other, justification history… when some of the glitch is in our own mental processing. 6mo
willaful The perspectives from people who'd been present during the Charlottesville rally was really interesting to me. But I was uncomfortable with the many, unquestioned, instances of white people burdening black people with their guilty feelings. The author is really a lot more middle-of-the-road than I am. 😂 6mo
Julsmarshall I didn‘t get to this one, but I hope to in the future. Thanks for sharing your perspectives, all! 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Yes! I found myself wondering if that was the scientist in her or the I want this to be read & relatable to a white public so tilt it their way objective. 🤷‍♀️. Funny how the more you read, the more you think about those kinds of angles. 6mo
willaful Yes, I don't know if it was deliberate but I can definitely see her “sandwiching“ the less palatable sections between an easier beginning and ending. 6mo
vlwelser Ultimately I really liked this because it was very readable. That chapter on Charlottesville was very interesting. I liked that the people she interviewed came from diverse backgrounds. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Yes, some of that might have been editing somewhere, I‘m always curious about some of that and where those choices come in. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Julsmarshall Get to it when you can if you want, sometimes it‘s all in reading it at the right time for you. 6mo
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Hello #SheSaid! Here‘s our schedule for the rest of the year AND Nominations Are Open for the rest of next year!

Please add your nominations to the comments section!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m going to reread Wild by Cheryl Stayed in the near future, if anyone else is interested, we could read together. 6mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I really found Kate Manne‘s Down Girl interesting, but I still haven‘t picked up the next book Entitled. 6mo
AllDebooks Hmm🤔 Anything by Cordelia Fine such as Testerone Rex, Delusions of gender, A mind of its own; Everybody by Olivua Laing, Hagitude by Sharon Blackie, 6mo
Bookwormjillk I read (and enjoyed) the Memory Police but count me in to the rest. I‘ll start reserving books now so I can interact more with the discussions next year. 6mo
willaful @AllDebooks I'm listening to Doppelganger, it's amazing. 6mo
AllDebooks @willaful I adore Naomi Klein, she's so good 6mo
vlwelser Doppelganger and Wild both get my vote. 6mo
Deblovestoread Please remove me from your tag list. I might pop in if you read I book I already own. 2024 is the challenge of filling prompts with owned books for me. 6mo
Singout My rather long to-read list includes Highway of Tears, Sitting Pretty, Unsettling Spirit, People Love Dead Jews, In Defense of Witches, Run Towards the Danger, The Future Is Disabled. 6mo
MallenNC I hope to keep up with our picks in 2024! A suggestion is 6mo
KathyWheeler I am having a real problem reading that font. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler I changed it…better? 6mo
TheKidUpstairs This one sounds great too, one of NPR's Books of the Year 6mo
MallenNC @TheKidUpstairs I suggested that one too. It sounds great for us! 6mo
MallenNC I don‘t know if there‘s still time to nominate but this one sounds really interesting 6mo
staci.reads I don't know if nominations are still open, but I just heard about this one. 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I put all these on the questionnaire and a few others people tagged me in or mentioned elsewhere and a few on my own pile 2mo
CatLass007 Oh. Well that was fast. Thank you. 2mo
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Hello #SheSaid! How are you doing this week?

See you in the comments 😉

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m all caught up this week 😂. How is everyone else doing? I saw a great show on This Week with John Oliver on YouTube (it was old, but I saw it this week). I‘ll post it below for an easy copy & paste. It was about AI, but how we are programming our biases into it …seemed so relevant with this book that it stuck with me. (edited) 6mo
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AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa that is an interesting piece from John Oliver. I have to say that reading this book has made me take a step back and think about my own biases. It's a good read, but I do find it repetitive 6mo
vlwelser @AllDebooks is it repetitive itself or repetitive because we already read a lot of these books? 6mo
vlwelser I love that she tells these stories that we are already familiar with through her own lens and brings new perspective to this. But this isn't exactly ground breaking. I like that it's incredibly easy to read. The chapters are long but I don't feel bored. 6mo
AllDebooks @vlwelser I find her writing repetitive, labouring over the same points. It could have been a much shorter book with a good edit. I don't mind repeated topics in books at all. Another's pov could always bring a new perspective. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks @vlwelser I think some of it is because the book originally came out in 2019, and if we had read it then it would have been very new… but we‘ve read others written since then covering similar ground. Despite all of that though, I‘m still finding some of the studies and insights informative. Just the little studies of writing critiques differently, with a change in the post-it note example…and how that fed down through work and ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ perception and outcomes. Such small changes that you think mean little, can produce such big dividends. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sone of those studies I‘m still finding very interesting, and somewhat hopeful that our little things do (can) make a difference, especially in a world where you feel like your little part doesn‘t amount to much so some people go why bother 6mo
willaful It's actually making me think about my biases in a different direction. 😲 For example, when she talked to the administrator who started to cry, my immediate reaction was “oh great, white woman tears!“ But the administrator genuinely learned from the situation and sought to change. 6mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m a bit behind, please feel free to start without me, and I‘ll check back later today when I catch up 🤷‍♀️ So sorry….my Saturday reading time disappeared yesterday somehow.

vlwelser I don't know if I'm more horrified by the Boston thing or the ape thing. But her class at the prison made me hopeful. 7mo
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vlwelser This is really well written but nothing so far has exactly blown my mind. It sort of reaffirms things we already know or have already read about. 7mo
AllDebooks @vlwelser I agree, although I was surprised about the facial recognition facts. I do find some areas repetitive at times. 7mo
willaful I was more engaged with this section than the first chapters. I felt like she was finally getting into some of the nitty gritty that it seemed like she'd been pussy-footing around. Perhaps to ease people into what she has to say?

The prison class section I thought was pretty powerful. Really gives a sense of how much people *lose* from being incarcerated that the bald facts don't convey.
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willaful I'm also currently reading Let This Radicalize You, which has a chapter on how people organize and provide mutual aid in prison. It makes a really good companion read to this. 7mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

I wasn‘t sure how this one would be, super dense studies and theory, or more readable?

I‘m finding it a great mix of both, very readable, but with studies and great examples to back up the concepts to make it easy to understand.

How‘s everyone else doing with our newest selection?

And how about that question/conversation with her son… heartbreaker 😞

vlwelser This is very interesting. Both stories about her sons are so interesting. Especially from the perspective of a bias researcher with black sons. Our society is kind of a mess. This is so readable. Even the boring study parts. 7mo
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Becker This book has been recommended to me on several occasions. Maybe it‘s time to pick it up! 7mo
Singout Yes, the story about her small son recognizing “fear” in White people went right to the gut. I found the opening parts about physical differences in the brains of people who‘ve had different experiences intriguing too. 7mo
MallenNC I got this late from the library so I‘ve only read the introduction so far. I‘m interested in what she‘s going to cover so I hope I‘ll be able to catch up this week. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yes! We are such a mess…and that messiness seems to be boiling to the surface more and more 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Becker Time to read with us! It‘s very good so far, and not very long or difficult to read. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Singout Yes! And the one in the beginning, about asking if the black guy on their trip…he looked like daddy, but was he there to rob. Those things are such opposites and so telling especially when coming from an innocent child whose perception is all what we as a society have put in there. So heartbreaking to me. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Singout Yes, I found it interesting that beliefs about if people were set in their ways or could change, effected how their brain processed faces. Very interesting that no matter how much is baked in, some is our individual openess verses closed off. (edited) 7mo
willaful I was really interested in the section about how white actors respond negatively to black actors in shows, even when they're playing positive roles. I'd love to see more reaearch about that.

But the book is making me a bit uncomfortable... I guess because I'm more radical than the author, and like she does herself, wonder if the workshops she gives are of any use at all. I don't know if she has any info or statistics to back up her work.
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AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa this is incredible. It's really making me think about how I or my children interact. And that's exactly the effect I would want. 7mo
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My thought for the day: Tolkien does such a good job ending each book and internal book with cliffhangers. And making you wait through another whole internal book until you get back to that cliffhanger and those characters as he shifts focus back & forth. I couldn‘t help but think of a few authors now, who have left series uncompleted because they got busy with TV show adaptions or prequel series or real life. ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ Just imagine if Tolkien had gotten busy and never wrote Return of the King, left Frodo where he lay…. or just left it hanging at the Black Gate. And he wrote through some very trying times too: World Wars, not to mention paper shortages, to name a few. In many ways we are very lucky that he persevered to finish this trilogy, so we can still be reading & enjoying it today. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa #FellowshipOfTheRing #LOTRChapterADay @Daisey @JazzFeathers @wordslinger42 @BookwormAHN @tdrosebud and sorry, I know I‘m missing one of our original group from way back…sorry 7mo
BookwormAHN If you have ever watched the cartoon version of the Lord of The Rings, it ends around the Two Towers so I can imagine and I agree how persistent he was and how lucky we are. 7mo
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JazzFeathers Cliffhanger is an art, in my opinion. I've seen it done very badly, where you think, 'Oh, come on! You really want to sell me the next book!' But Tolkien is different. He really built the story that way. I once heard that this is not the way to organise a story. I bag to dissent 😁 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers I was thinking of the big epics today, like Game of Thrones… which if left where it is and unfinished will basically cement it here forever, no carry over to future reading, etc. By leaving them unfinished, you are basically dooming them to be a one time read, and stuck. Whereas a great epic well done, a Tolkien, even a Harry Potter can be reread over generations. ↩️ (edited) 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa …a cliffhanger well done is a treasure and statement… it could go either way after that really, how can “even an author” get them out of that. And in some cases, I think their authors don‘t know either so don‘t finish. 🤷‍♀️ (edited) 7mo
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I read the first chapter of the long ride to Gondor, and then I had to dig out my map book and share a few pictures. I‘m still amazed that someone plotted & mapped out the entire journey, but I love it.

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JazzFeathers You know, l realised something. Tolkien was a signaler during the war, and as such, he worked with maps and people moving on the ground. When we first read HoME l though, what? Scaled maps? Who knows how to do that? But then l realised it must have been quite familiar to him. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers Another great connection! I love that we are still finding them after all this time. 7mo
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Up Next for #SheSaid in November!

Put in your library holds and interlibrary loans!

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I‘m flipping around the tv this weekend & passed a show on cryptids… creatures that may be myth or real. I stopped immediately as they were showing Shelob on the screen at the time, then Aragog and discussing giant spiders and the stories passed down about this monster myth in stories by the locals for ages. Who knew Shelob descendants infested both Mirkwood & the Congo 🤷‍♀️😂 There are even grainy videos like with Sasquatch & Nessie. J‘ba Fofi😱

BookwormAHN Personally I'd rather run into Bigfoot than Shelob next time I'm in the Congo 😸 7mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BookwormAHN Right! 😂 I‘d never heard of it before, but I‘d never want to meet that one. But I had to share, LOTR, Monster stories for Halloween 👻 7mo
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh, wow! Isn't it fascinating how some stories are common or similar in very different places of the world? There must be something there 🤔 @BookwormAHN 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers The human mind is really fascinating….. and scary 😂 7mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

How is your weekend going? Another book done way to soon.

So how did you like the last section? The book as a whole?

MallenNC I didn‘t connect that much with the final essay but I‘m still thinking about some of the earlier ones. That‘s how essay collections usually are for me. Some work better than others. “Intrusions” was excellent. 7mo
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Julsmarshall I thought this was powerful, sad, sometimes shocking and so well written. I‘m so glad I read along with you, I‘m not sure I would have picked it up otherwise. (edited) 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Julsmarshall Same here. I hadn‘t even heard of it before it was recommended here. So it wasn‘t even on my radar or my endless to be read wishlist. So thankful to whoever recommended it. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC The final essay was different, but I think it worked well as an ending. The idea that nature could shift so much and gut out a landscape, but what is left is extremely unique and beautiful after that destruction. It reminded me a bit of Wild by Cheryl Strayed… the destruction hurts, but maybe coming out the other side, you have to accept that maybe you wouldn‘t change anything, because you wouldn‘t be who you are without that ⤵️ 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ that happening. Without going through it. I think the landscape was a bit of a metaphor for her life, a time of gutting and destruction, but creating a unique her that is better after than before. I need to reread Wild soon, it‘s been on my mind lately for some reason. 7mo
vlwelser I loved this. Her writing is excellent. Like she's brilliant but has also experienced some pretty unusual things. But also a lot of the standard female issues. Just thinking about how a decision to say no is such a weighted thing from a female perspective. Like we have to factor in potential violence on top of everything else. 7mo
vlwelser I have read another of her books previously so it was definitely already on my radar. Is Wild a good one for a group read/reread? I haven't read it. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Oh, I‘d love to read/reread it with the group. I‘ll have to see if the others are interested. Did you see my separate post about the dangers of saying No that came up in the news right after we read about it? Jordan VanDerSloot admitting to killing Natalee Holloway after all these years in part of a plea agreement. They were kissing on the beach, he pushed for more, she said no, he continued anyway, she fought back, he murdered her⤵️ 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ talk about a tale as old as time, and one I think women know in that hindbrain instinctual subconscious way, even if we don‘t talk about it or say it. Or society thinks we are crazy for saying yes to things we don‘t really want, the go along to get along thing, empty yeses. Truly very sad 7mo
vlwelser That is so sad and horrible. And unfortunately not as uncommon as it should be. I did see your post. I had a best friend that died in a violent interaction with a guy when we were teens. It's still awful. Even all these years later. 7mo
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This scene at the crossroads always reminds me of this Shelley poem.

They are literally and figuratively at the crossroads, and the “easy way back” wouldn‘t be as easy as they think since the legions of Mordor march towards Gondor and war…and are between them and their friends. And would lead to the doom of all.

And right here Tolkien places this scene, a scene that alludes to this poem in my mind, ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ the greatness of the past, the greatness of men broken in the past, gone forever from Middle Earth. But, he adds this little touch, a crown of flowers recrowning the king, changing the image from one of lost ruined greatness, to a hint of a new greatness growing and flowering right before our eyes. (edited) 7mo
JazzFeathers Beautifully said, @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think this is the first time that l really feel that moment of passage, that watershed. The hopeful image of the crown of flowers shining in the sun really touched me, this time. 7mo
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Mid-week here #SheSaid!

Anyone see the new VanDerSloot confession in Natalee Halloway‘s murder. Talk about the empty consent we (mostly women give) because deep down we know where a “No” might lead us. Talk about a stark reminder why “No” is tough, and dangerous to say. 😱

diovival I hadn't heard. This is so sad. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @diovival Basically kissing on the beach, he pushes for more, she says no to more, he persisted, she refused & she fought back, so he killed her. So sad and pointless (even if you believe him, and that‘s up for some debate)…. But ties back into why women often say yes and go along to get along, when they don‘t really want to, because no‘s are not received well…and deep down we know that our “no” could turn very ugly….so we say yes even when ⤵️ 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ we really don‘t want to. And the last chapter of this book was about empty consent, saying yes and being uncomfortable just to make the other person happy. 7mo
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Hello #SheSaid!

How are you this weekend?

This book continues to make me think in all the right ways, and regret some ways in which I have not been Taking Care of Myself because I didn‘t feel that it was the right thing to do at the time. Disturbing the more you actually think about it, isn‘t it? That good girl, take care of everyone but yourself syndrome. How do we get out of that spiral of feeling responsible for everyone else‘s feelings?

vlwelser I have so many duh moments when reading her essays. I like that she sort of hits us in the face with the obviousness of the things she is pointing out. 7mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa And…anyone else add the book about the girlfriend experiment to their “to read” list? It made me think of a movie I recently saw on Hulu called Robots. Where they make Robots (illegally) that look like them to fulfill all the relationship parts they hate so they can just be present for the parts they like. The guy had his robot show up for all the dating, he just shows up for the sex. The lady shows up for all the dating, sends her ⤵️ 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ robot for the sex. (It‘s rated R, and a romantic comedy, just FYI 😂). Things go astray when their robots fall in love and ditch them both. 🤷‍♀️ But anyway it made me think of this book she mentioned that I added to my “to read” list…sending someone else, a stand in, to do the socially required things that are too much for you. (edited) 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Exactly! We do much unconsciously, are socialized to do it, that we don‘t even think about how messed up it is really. Then she says it and your like …yes! Wow, that is insane that we do that…and to protect ourselves from something worse most likely. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa It also made me think about the Aziz Ansari scandal that came out after Me Too (the internet version), where an allegation was made by a women saying (if I recall correctly) basically pressured for sex, had sex to avoid anything worse. But it was discussed for a long time after as he didn‘t know anything was wrong because she didn‘t leave. 7mo
MallenNC The essay about the cuddle party rules and her reactions there was really thought provoking. And I had never heard the term “empty consent” before but I think many people have experienced that. In the first essay all I could think about was how sad I‘d be if my mom and I mixed up our trip dates like that. She does a good job of mixing the personal with broader topics. 7mo
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I may be late, and left my handkerchiefs behind… but I finally made it to Book 4! #LOTRChapteraDay #FellowshipOfTolkien

JazzFeathers Yayyyy!!! Where are you, now? My hobbits have just met Fatamir (and l need to catch up with my posts 🙄) 8mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers Still here….long week. Hopefully I can read some this weekend. 7mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers just past the Oliphaunt poetry, but haven‘t seen one yet. Preparing some stewed rabbit. 7mo
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Hello #SheSaid How is everyone doing this weekend?

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m still getting a lot from this book. It‘s all good, but what is sticking today is the end of that last essay…a long time ago, I don‘t think about it anymore… but you do this this this and this as part of your routine now. Even the bad things we bury, pretend don‘t effect us, that everyone else brushes off because nothing “really” happened (that child case of voyeurism 🤮 as petty robbery) still effects deeply. 8mo
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MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think that last essay, Intrusions, was the best one yet. I think many if not most women have experienced similar “intrusions” into our ability to just live our lives. It made me think about the meme about all the preparations women go though when leaving home, thinking of whether it is the safest time, considering their route, if they have their charged phone, etc. and then it says the man just grabs his keys and leaves. 8mo
vlwelser Intrusions was very on point. She's making me think about this stuff and reflect rather than just accepting it all as normal. 8mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Right…we already know about all the unpaid labor that (usually) women need to do, to make society run… now add in all that mental energy just to go about your daily activities because it‘s all on you…. For leaving your window curtains cracked, living in that house (you need to move ….really how many have moved), what you wear, could it be perceived as asking for it. Just thinking about that is exhausting, and we do it mostly ⤵️ 8mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Unconsciously every day. Just imagine if all that time and energy was directed elsewhere. And really, where do the men in my life get off expecting me to remind them of birthdays and anniversaries because I‘m better at that stuff 🤪 8mo
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