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Come Fly the World
Come Fly the World: The Jet-Age Story of the Women of Pan Am | Julia Cooke
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Glamour, danger, liberation: in a Mad Menera of commercial flight, Pan Am World Airways attracted the kind of young woman who wanted out, and wanted up Required to have a college degree, speak two languages, and possess the political savvy of a Foreign Service officer, a jet-age stewardess serving on iconic Pan Am between 1966 and 1975 also had to be between 5?3" and 5?9", between 105 and 140 pounds, and under 26 years of age at the time of hire.Cookes intimate storytelling weaves together the real-life stories of a memorable cast of characters, from small-town girl Lynne Totten, a science major who decided life in a lab was not for her, to Hazel Bowie, one of the relatively few Black stewardesses of the era, as they embraced the liberation of their new jet-set life. Cooke brings to light the story of Pan Am stewardesses role in the Vietnam War, as the airline added runs from Saigon to Hong Kong for planeloads of weary young soldiers straight from the battlefields, who were off for five days of R&R, and then flown back to war. Finally, with Operation Babyliftthe dramatic evacuation of 2,000 children during the fall of Saigonthe books special cast of stewardesses unites to play an extraordinary role on the world stage.
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MommyWantsToReadHerBook
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One thing I don't like about many non-fiction books is that they sometimes carry you along because the subject is interesting, not because the writing is stellar.

Anyway, even though the writing was a bit bland sometimes, I really did enjoy this one. I have a friend who was an Vietnamese orphan who was adopted by a US couple and though I don't know enough details, of course the description of Operation Babylift made me think of her so much.

MommyWantsToReadHerBook I think these women were incredibly adventurous and brave and it really was a tremendously interesting look into how women's roles in various spheres changed over the years. 8mo
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I may be the only weirdo who gets hung up on details like these. Did they give them actual powdered milk, not formula? How old were these babies? What had they been fed if not milk? So many questions 😅

Clare-Dragonfly That is confusing! I know in the 20th century there have been plenty of times and places when babies were fed cream or cow‘s milk (goat‘s milk is better for babies), but half strength milk, presumably the rest water? That sounds extremely inadequate. And indeed, what else could they have been eating?! 8mo
MommyWantsToReadHerBook @Clare-Dragonfly I know, right, and dangerous if the babies were very very small. At least it was only for the duration of the flight, one hopes 🙂 8mo
Clare-Dragonfly One hopes! What is the context here? Why is the plane full of babies? 8mo
MommyWantsToReadHerBook Oh they were evacuating Vietnamese orphans to the US, hundreds and hundreds of them, on commercial flights. 8mo
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I‘m posting my nonfiction #readingbracket early as I wont finish another by the end of the month.

I really liked Come Fly the World. The writing was easy to flow with and I learned quite a bit.

It didn‘t quite stack up to my July book though. Gathering Moss is the current leader for the second half of the year.

Aims42 Ooo, I have this one on my TBR stack 👍 8mo
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Soubhiville
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This made me wish I enjoyed flying.

The travel industry has changed since the early days of intercontinental trips. I enjoyed this insight into how stewardesses had to conform to company norms, and the ways the job changed in both their perspective and the way they were portrayed.

I had no idea how large a part Pan Am played in transport of American troops to and from Vietnam. Some of those parts brought tears to my eyes.

Great book!

DivineDiana I have 2 friends who are flight attendants. One is 92 and worked for Pan Am. They both loved this book and are passing it on to other flight attendants. ✈️ 8mo
Gissy 🐶🐾🐾❤️❤️❤️ 8mo
dabbe Perfect Puppy Profile! 💙🖤🩵 8mo
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This was fun and informative! I loved traveling the world with the ladies of Pan Am. It was full of nostalgia for a different era/ when air travel was both glamorous and an absolute free for all 😊#TitlesAndTunes #TheWorldIsMyOyster @BarbaraBB Now im off to Google the ladies and check out the #SundayBuddyRead discussion questions 💜

BarbaraBB It seems a fun read and I think you are the first to finish this month‘s prompt! 9mo
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August #titlesandtunes #theworldismyoyster

What a fun prompt! I bet this will be a really upbeat playlist.

I‘ve been intending to read Come Fly With Me for a while, hope I can squeeze it in to August!

For my song I‘ll be “Livin‘ my life like it‘s golden!” With Golden by Jill Scott. 💛

Cinfhen So funnny!!! I plan on reading the same book!!! But I have a ( few) different song ideas 🤩and yessssss this playlist is going to be out of this world 😂😂😂🙌🏻 9mo
BarbaraBB Great choices - again! 9mo
DebinHawaii Such a great book! I loved it when it was a #SundayBuddyRead pick! And love Jill Scott! 9mo
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Well researched and I learned a great deal about the Pan Am era (including the war in Vietnam), the contributions of flight attendants to the women‘s movement, and the airline industry. ✈️🛩️🌏

Not riveting, but informative. Listened for work bookclub.

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Eggs I enjoyed this one! And the cover! 12mo
IndoorDame @Eggs same! 12mo
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I had very little prior knowledge of Pan Am. Amazing opportunities for women of a time when they were expected to be housewives and little else. These brave flight attendants traveled the world—going to amazing destinations, wearing clothes that would have been unacceptable and socializing in ways that wouldn‘t have been possible in America. A quick listen and a #blameitonlitsy checkout. Good but not great for me.

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Interesting read about Pan Am during the Mad Men era. I think the description was a little misleading, as the recounting of the former stewardesses was a smaller portion of this book than I anticipated. There was a lot of historical events mentioned as well as the history of Pan Am itself. Maybe I wasn‘t in the right mood to read this right now. Maybe I‘ll give it a re-read later this year to see if I feel the same way.

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When I was younger, I thought I wanted to be a stewardess, so I could travel. This was before I had ever been on a plane. Now I could never imagine myself doing it.

Thanks so much for #ALSpine for putting this book on my radar! I thoroughly loved and enjoyed this book. I found it so fascinating. Who knew how much they did for the war!

I finished what will probably be my only nonfiction read for 2023 🤣

DebinHawaii Yay! I owe this one to @TheBookHippie who picked it for our #SundayBuddyRead otherwise it might not have been on my radar! 🤗 1y
TheBookHippie I loved this book so much. 1y
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monalyisha What a perfect book for you! Who knew? 1y
Laughterhp #52Books23 - book with a subtitle 1y
Laughterhp #nobuy2023 - digital or audiobooks @PuddleJumper 1y
britt_brooke Loved this one! 1y
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🎶🎵 On the eleventh day of #12BooksOf2022 my book log gave to me… my favorite book of November 2022!
@Andrew65

Andrew65 A popular choice and one I‘ve added to my TBR. 1y
TheBookHippie It was so good!!! 1y
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November #12booksof2022 a #sundaybuddyread I am Canadian so no access to Pan Am here ( and while I‘m old, I‘m not that old) but to me Pan Am personified the glamourous travel period of the 60‘s that I‘d later see in movies. I had no idea of so many other parts of its history. This book is fabulous. I‘ve convinced my irl bookclub to read it

Andrew65 This will no doubt be a popular choice especially due to the #SundayBuddyRead 1y
TheBookHippie It was so good! 1y
mcctrish @Andrew65 I have to say it was hard not to pick the #sundaybuddyread every month! Yes they are usually great books, but the memory of talking about them and sharing the connections overlaps the book and increases my feelings for it exponentially 1y
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Andrew65 @mcctrish It definitely adds to the experiences of a book, even books not particularly liked as with 1y
mcctrish @Andrew65 even that one has rosier feelings then it should because we were all so put out with it together 🤣🤣 1y
tpixie @mcctrish this was a great book. I almost chose it for one of the months 1y
mcctrish @tpixie ❤️ 1y
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#12BOOKSOF2022 I absolutely LOVED this book!
November nonfiction and our #sundaybuddyread

Andrew65 I like the look of this one. 1y
TheBookHippie @Andrew65 so so good! Top ten read for me. 1y
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Laughterhp I‘m currently reading this one!! 1y
mcctrish I picked this too 💙💙💙💙 1y
tpixie It was great. I read it earlier in the year 1y
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This was almost voted in as one of my bookclub reads this coming year, so I was excited to get it from @Jee_HookedOnBookz (who doesn‘t really use Litsy anymore.)
I‘m going to try to make it fit one of my challenges this year instead, I hear it‘s a great read.
Aren‘t these coasters fun too? Thanks Jee, if you happen to get on here!

bthegood love the coasters - 1y
TheBookHippie It‘s so good. 1y
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Karisa
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I had a great #NonfictionNovember thanks to Litsy reading groups #SundayBuddyRead and #SheSaid

Both books took feminist looks at the world. One was historic about a group Pan-Am stewardesses (Come Fly the World). The other was very modern and personal about health, work, divorce, family, and dating (Ladyparts). Both gave lots of food for thought.

TheBookHippie YAY!!!! I did really enjoy this one! 1y
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Read for #SundayBuddyRead this gets an enthusiastic pick! I knew I would enjoy the historical perspective of what being a stewardess in the heyday of Pan Am Airlines was like but didn‘t expect the look at Pan Am in history, politics & war. So interesting! I enjoyed the women‘s stories even if it was a bit hard to keep track of them at times. It gave me a new appreciation of flight attendants & the stewardesses of the past & the role they had in ⬇️

DebinHawaii …global current events. It had me googling & compiling lists of follow up movies, articles & books-always a great sign in a historical non-fiction book when it captures my interest so much. Thank you to @TheBookHippie for another fabulous pick & the always insightful & entertaining discussions that make Sunday special! 🤗 Added to my “Best of 2022” list. (edited) 1y
TheBookHippie 🛩️💙🛩️💙🛩️💙 I agree I have such a list and it‘s going on my top ten! 1y
rubyslippersreads @DebinHawaii @TheBookHippie Based on your glowing reviews, I‘ll have to add this to my TBR list. 😀✈️ 1y
TheBookHippie @rubyslippersreads I think you‘ll love it! 1y
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IndoorDame 💗 1y
Deblovestoread 💜💜💜 1y
AmyG What a lovely story. 1y
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IndoorDame @TheBookHippie definitely not on par with this amazing piece of family history, but when we read this I asked my mom if she remembered anything about my grandmother‘s time with American Airlines, and I got an email from my uncle today with a few photos of their mom from around that age, and one of her American Airlines employee ID! 1y
TheBookHippie @IndoorDame OH MY WORD!!! How fun is that?! I so much enjoyed our read! 1y
IndoorDame @TheBookHippie so did I!!! 1y
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I thank you all for reading along with me!

I so love our Sundays!!!

Off this Sunday then on to December !!!

Sargar114 Me too!!! Enjoy your holiday, hope you are feeling better. As always, THANK YOU!!!! 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 I‘m getting there! I have more good days then bad, they are fairly sure I may have long covid as well or at the least it triggered all of this. 🤦🏻‍♀️ 1y
vlwelser 💙😘 1y
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kspenmoll Everyone, happy Thanksgiving! I am so grateful for my family, my job, my Litsy friends. Love discussing these monthly books. Thanks so much Christine for hosting. 1y
IndoorDame This was a wonderful read. I learned so much! Thank you for cooking it. And I‘m so glad you ended up being well enough to lead! I hope you continue to improve! 🤞🏼 1y
mcctrish Thank you Christine for hosting ❤️❤️❤️ I‘m sorry to hear they think it‘s long Covid 😩 I hope you can take it easy over your thanksgiving. See you in December 🤯😆 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I had a very bad case and tested positive for two weeks plus so they think with my auto immune issues could be I‘m still suffering affects. 🤪 1y
mcctrish I think we are going to see lasting effects from this for a long time 😢😢 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I agree. I‘m just thankful I was vaccinated, I didn‘t have the first or even second wave so that I was able to survive it. 1y
AmyG Oh no….long covid? Have you read about mid-covid? Lasts a few months after and then gone. Hope maybe it‘s that. I still have a cough (post-nasal drip)….I am waiting for it to disappear. 🤞🏻Feel better and thank you so much for all you do here. I was singing your praises to a friend last night….my book club and our leader. 🙌🏻🥰 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I tested positive September 23, I still can‘t smell… 1y
mcctrish @AmyG I hope you get rid of that sooner than later 🙏🏻 and @TheBookHippie thank goodness for vaccines 1y
mcctrish Also holy crap with Sept 23 🤦🏻‍♀️ 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ yes mid covid is talked about hoping for it as well!!!!!! 💕💕 AWE, thank you I love our Sundays!!! 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish yah frustrating to say the least. 1y
AmyG @mcctrish Thank you. 1y
Deblovestoread I‘m so sorry you are still dealing with lingering Covid and hope for your complete recovery sooner rather than later. Hope you have a lovely Thanksgiving and get lots of rest. 1y
DebinHawaii Hoping you are feeling better soon (fingers crossed for mud & not long) & that you have a restful & great holiday. 💜💜💜 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii 🤞🏻🤞🏻 1y
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Ah the 1970s were we gained some ground by clawing and still… we fight😵‍💫
1980 women could wear pants on airlines as flight attendants no longer stewardesses..

Hazel taking her mum on a trip. Gosh I got teary..

Stewardesses even Mary Higgins Clark
Made their ways to do amazing things and they continue a sisterhood who knew?!

This read, for me, amazing. I hope you liked it.

Your thoughts and what struck you?

Sargar114 This was such a fascinating read. I love this era anyway, but it was so informative. I think the second half might‘ve been better for me. I will say, it was still hard to keep track of who was who and at times it really was a bit of an information dump and was overwhelming. Such an interesting read though, overall a strong pick! 1y
vlwelser Such a great book. I never would have found this on my own. Plus all of this history stuff was interesting combined with the struggles women were facing at the time. So interesting. Thank you. 1y
kspenmoll This read opened me up a world filled with incredible,fearless women who lived their lives in a way that was true to themselves. Also, I never thought or knew much about stewardesses & airlines role in the Vietnam War. I did chart the 4 stewardesses to help me keep their individual lives straight. I also found all the lawsuits interesting & the social, cultural implications of their jobs. 1y
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IndoorDame I was struck by the woman who clearly were feminists not being comfortable using that word. And I realized I know smart, strong, liberal women who felt the same way just 5 years ago. 1y
TheBookHippie @IndoorDame it‘s been made a dirty word and also dangerous to be labelled as such then and now because people think of it as something other than what it actually is. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser it is absolutely fascinating I agree. 1y
IndoorDame @TheBookHippie grrr 😖 😡 1y
mcctrish I am not sure I would ever have stumbled across this book and I am so thankful that you made me aware of it! I really enjoyed it. I am better for reading it. It was fascinating and eye opening. I have a mug that says “feminism is for everyone dipshits” and it is. Oppression helps no one. Choice does. An early Happy Thanksgiving to all my American friends here in #sundaybuddyread 🦃 enjoy your food comas, hopefully with books 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish ♥️♥️♥️♥️ 1y
TheBookHippie @IndoorDame I agree. 😡 1y
AmyG @mcctrish Me, too. I never would have found this one. I really enjoyed it. Good choice @TheBookHippie 1y
Karisa Great pick and like many others above, I would not have had it on my radar without #sundaybuddyread. Big thanks to you, @TheBookHippie for your thoughtful book selections and insightful, compassionate discussion questions. I know so many of us have you on our lists of people to be grateful for this Thanksgiving 💗 1y
TheBookHippie @Karisa 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕 1y
Deblovestoread I would not have picked up this book on my own and it was so much more than I expected. Love when that happens 💜 Thank you 🙌🏼 1y
TheBookHippie @Deblovestoread It truly was, it so exceeded my expectations! I just loved it. 1y
DebinHawaii Another excellent pick! This book was so much more that I thought it would be & will make my list of favorites for the year. And you remain the model buddy read host with all the passion & work you put in to the weekly discussions. 😘❤️❤️❤️ 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii 💕♥️💕♥️💕♥️💕 1y
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Sargar114 I had no idea planes could be that big (two stories??!!). Given the evolution of travel it makes sense they didn‘t survive. She listed the various reasons but ultimately once they got the big planes - growing cost of fuel lowering the cost of travel, not a good combo 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 The planes of my childhood definitely not the planes now. 🙃 right @AmyG ??? (edited) 1y
vlwelser I don't think it would work. They mention how the elite portions of the plane kept shrinking. No one wants to pay a premium. Plus I think the flights have gotten shorter but maybe because the planes are smaller or something. 1y
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kspenmoll It was hard for me to imagine planes with 2 floors, & the price of flights. 1y
IndoorDame I remember the planes with 2 floors, but not the era of truly elite flying… I guess you can never go back though it would be nice to experience that 1y
mcctrish It feels sad for me because it seemed so glamorous. I‘m getting old 🤣🤣 environmentalists say we shouldn‘t be taking weekend flights like we drive to the grocery store, the carbon footprint of it is planet destroying. Maybe glamorous extended tours should be a thing again 1y
AmyG @TheBookHippie Ha! Definitey. We used to get dressed up to go on a plane. Like going to the theater. Now? Kids wear sweatpants. 🤣 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG EXACTLY. I still dress up I‘m afraid my grandma would haunt me 😝😳. 1y
AmyG @TheBookHippie Ha!!!! I can hear my Mom‘s voice …”Is that what your‘re wearing?” 🤣 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG 🤪💯 all I can hear is “ Bubula,just because no one else has any decorum doesn‘t mean we play in the mud with the pigs “😂😂🤦🏻‍♀️ (edited) 1y
DebinHawaii @TheBookHippie Hah! Love that quote from your grandma! 🤣 I do remember the 2-story planes. It was fun to watch the Pan Am series & see some of that heyday of global travel along with reading the book. 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii Her voice is in my head a lot. A true gift. 💕 1y
Sargar114 @AmyG shoot, I wear sweatpants on planes now!!! Lol 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 😂😂😂😂 1y
AmyG @Sargar114 I wear leggings . 🤣 1y
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Stewardesses and Vietnam
Who knew?
In fact I did know about the planes and the flights as a child and I‘m ashamed to say it never dawned on me since then the contribution of these women.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2020/05/13/during-vietnam-war-women-who-...

https://www.sfomuseum.org/exhibitions/flying-freedom-birds

Sargar114 Their contribution was amazing! I had no idea. I‘m glad they eventually got recognition but seriously took 3 decades???!! Ugh. 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 seriously 🤦🏻‍♀️. 1y
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vlwelser I loved this book. Part of this might be the general shame we have about the mess we contributed to in Vietnam. 1y
kspenmoll I am so glad too that they finally got a memorial dedicated to them & other women who worked as military or other jobs. I knew nothing about them. Agree with @vlwelser there was shame, an attitude of moving on immediately from this war we technically lost, the Vietnamese were the “other” for some. 1y
mcctrish I agree with @vlwelser that shame over the whole war had people not wanting to talk about it but I also think it‘s about men controlling the narrative. I‘m going to push this book on everyone 1y
AmyG I, too, am glad to hear they were recognized for their heroic efforts and for their part in this history. I had NO clue. 1y
Karisa It gave me a new appreciation for the airline attendants too. I‘d never known how educated and bright they had to be to even make it to the interview. I thought in the early days being pretty was the only requirement. Then to hear how some of them took on such dangerous assignments—inspiring! 1y
Deblovestoread Agree about the general shame over the war which we should have learned from and with @mcctrish about men controlling the narrative. So grateful for women bringing important women and their stories to our attention. 1y
mcctrish @Deblovestoread 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 1y
DebinHawaii I agree with everything said already—glad they finally got some recognition but not enough & way too long to get it. 1y
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Karen dumped Alan
Her life ends up how she wanted -a new mate, a baby a ranch, land..Keeping in touch with the babies …

Lynne QUIT PanAm
Comes sick every year on anniversary of the baby lift.
Her life, daughters, way she loved her lift

Tori and the four teenagers in PanAm uniforms last flight for THREE DECADES.
Tori gets lung cancer and seems to enjoy reliving her past.

Thoughts on the affects on their lives?

Sargar114 Their stories were so interesting. I really enjoyed everyone‘s story, but might have been better if there was more of a focus on these three as it‘s seems that was what the book was building to. I loved that Karen kept in touch with some of the babies. I would have loved to learn more about what happened to them. This book touched on it a bit but it seems like there is quite the story in that. 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 my moms friend took three one is doing very well. The other two one is so so and the other will never recover he was 3 at the time. 1y
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TheBookHippie @Sargar114 there were entire families in our town that came and they all are doing well this generation the older ones still struggle a bit. I do wish we knew more overall. 1y
Sargar114 @TheBookHippie I bet you could extrapolate that and it‘s pretty accurate results for the group as a whole. I mean what a powerful and traumatic thing to go through as a child. 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 it was really rough on them. 1y
vlwelser That story about the 4 sisters trying to walk in heels was pretty funny. I'm not sure I would have wanted to be stuck there. 1y
kspenmoll I cannot imagine the trauma these children endured. 1y
IndoorDame @TheBookHippie how wonderful that your mom‘s friend took in 3 of those kids! It‘s a blessing to grow up near such generosity, and to have a personal connection to a piece of our history 1y
mcctrish We are continuing to learn so much about how childhood trauma impacts a person for their whole life. In 1975 not many knew or understood. I think it‘s amazing @TheBookHippie that you know people who helped and kids who came ❤️❤️ those 4 sisters, I‘d love to hear more about them. I hope they had/have good lives 1y
TheBookHippie @IndoorDame I lived on an army base, and then near it. As my dad was drafted as soon as he graduated college- I was 6 weeks old at the time. So it‘s history I lived and can actually remember as it was all my first several years and memories as a child. It‘s interesting as we moved here at the end of the war that it followed us as in all the babies etc. my mom and her friends were nurses I think they had a better understanding of the events. 1y
AmyG It would be a fascinating book-the lives of these children….a few and the lives they lead. 1y
DebinHawaii That was such an interesting article & I want to look up these movies now: “An NBC television movie starring Richard Crenna and James Earl Jones, Last Flight Out, was broadcast in 1990, and a documentary film, Operation Babylift: The Lost Children of Vietnam, was released in 2009” I agree, the trauma that the children went through would likely have long-reaching effects. Such a crazy part of history. 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I have an entire page of notes to look up TV, movie, books!!! 1y
Sargar114 @DebinHawaii good finds!!! 1y
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2,242 babies & children
The effect on the women
Let alone the children
Also a playboy bunny plane…!!! Was it publicity or doing good?
Then the mess of adoption and the birth moms and just OY VEY.

The price of war….

Your thoughts ?

Sargar114 It now makes sense why these three particular women were followed; I wonder if this was the authors starting point for the book. 1y
Sargar114 The Bunny Plane was absolutely publicity, but it also happened to do good. “The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions” as they say. But in all seriousness, all companies do good or donate to charities for ulterior reasons, otherwise they wouldn‘t do it. Doesn‘t always take away from the good it does. 1y
vlwelser I actually don't care if it was a publicity stunt if it meant saving lives. 1y
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kspenmoll Agree with all that @Sargar114 @vlwelser said. Howard Hughes definitely had publicity in mind. Also I had no idea these women cared for these babies/kids until they were moved. Yes, probably many people do good for tax reasons, publicity, etc. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser same. I don‘t really care. End result was good. 1y
IndoorDame Totally agree with everyone here. He definitely did it for publicity, but that doesn‘t actually make it a less wonderful thing. 1y
mcctrish Hugh did it once so it was nice and it helped but it wasn‘t great. Did he ask the bunnies if they wanted to take care of babies? Does anyone ask women what they‘d like to do? That‘s what I thought when I read it. Bunnies were paid well back in the day when well paying jobs for women were rare, it allowed them to pay for school, make connections, get out of small towns and traditional expectations. Then he put them front and centre as baby minders 1y
AmyG I agree about doing a kind thing…but also for PR. I am sure there were many who did nothing so good for him. 1y
Deblovestoread It would be interesting to know if the bunnies had a choice in the matter. 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG my thoughts pretty much. 1y
TheBookHippie @Deblovestoread I agree I wonder if they did? 1y
DebinHawaii I agree with everyone, publicity for sure but still a good thing. I would imagine that publicity was good for the bunnies too whether they volunteered or were voluntold to be there but one hopes they had a choice in the matter. 1y
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The babies
The women‘s bravery
Just wow
They should have been recognized immediately ..

1993 They did at last -265,000 women including the stewardesses

https://www.nps.gov/thingstodo/vietnam-womens-memorial.htm

https://www.vvmf.org/stories/Diane-Carlson-Evans/

Can you imagine? Would you have gone on those flights?

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Sargar114 I‘m surprised there hasn‘t been a movie or something based on that chapter alone! Then again, it‘s women in a heroic position, so maybe I‘m not that surprised. I couldn‘t put the book down in that section. So fascinating. I don‘t know if I could do that. 1y
vlwelser They were so brave. I'm not sure I could do it. But saving babies is important. So 🤷 1y
kspenmoll @vlwelser @Sargar114 I stand in awe of these women. I am too nervous on a plane to be a stewardess. We saw this memorial when we walked the Mall in 2015. 1y
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vlwelser @kspenmoll I'm going there in December. I'll have to keep an eye out for it. I'm terrible at finding these things. 😂 1y
IndoorDame Could I do that now? I don‘t think so. But most of those women were in their early 20s. Could I have done that in my early 20s? Yes. I was a different woman than. 1y
mcctrish @Sargar114 we need to get Reese on this story! I‘d like to think I could do this. I‘d be way more comfortable dealing with a plane full of babies and kids than drunk entitled men 1y
AmyG I think this would make a great movie @Sargar114. Would I have done it if I were a stewardess? Probably. Due to a sense of duty for the soldiers. They were a prt of history! 1y
Karisa @Sargar114 Yes! This would make a great movie. I‘d just want to see all the places they mentioned Byblos (one of the oldest cities in the world) and Hilo for example. The central story would have to be the Vietnam flights though. 1y
Deblovestoread I am always in awe hearing unknown stories of brave women who just get the job done. I couldn‘t have done it because flying 😬 but maybe in some other capacity…. 1y
DebinHawaii It moved me so much—I can‘t even imagine what it must have been like. Such amazing courageous women! I‘m not sure I would have been brave enough at any stage of my life to do it but I think people rise to the occasion when they have to. I agree, this would be an incredible movie. 1y
kspenmoll @vlwelser It‘s right with the Vietnam Memorial wall. Ask! It‘s worth it- very moving. 1y
vlwelser @kspenmoll I'll have to do some research. It occurs to me that I may not have ever been to the Vietnam Memorial wall either. But somehow I have managed to go visit the pandas about eleventy billion times. 🐼 1y
kspenmoll @vlwelser But pandas are sooo cute!!! 1y
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Vietnam 12 years
Men wage the war
Women clean it up

The average age of the military men who died in Vietnam was 22.8 years old, one hundred and one 18 year old draftees died in Vietnam.

So many atrocities.

Did you learn anything new about the war?

This was a bigger part of the books background I wasn‘t planning on reading. I will say, those boys were too young. And there should have never been war -let alone a draft.

Sargar114 I highlighted this quote! I learned so much. Knew nothing about baby lift let alone the reasons it was needed. It has yet to make sense to me as to why we were involved in that war and this book continues to reinforce that. 1y
vlwelser I knew nothing of baby lift. The Vietnam War was so wrong on so many levels. We need to keep our noses out of other people's problems. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser It was part of my childhood literally not just news, otherwise I can‘t imagine I would have known. And I agree. We‘ve plenty issues here to fix. 1y
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kspenmoll I do remember the baby lift and the end of the war. What I did not think about at the time (I was in HS) or had knowledge of the controversies surrounding it. I also never knew about these incredible stewardess. 1y
IndoorDame The war was before my time so there were so many details I didn‘t know! The baby life, the r&r flights, commercial airlines flying soldiers home at the end of the war… 1y
mcctrish I can‘t say I enjoyed this part but I do appreciate the education. I was born in ‘64 so midway in the war. We were a news magazine and newspapers family so I was aware of the shit show, valid protests closer to the end. But removed b/c I‘m 🇨🇦 I don‘t think keeping our noses out of other peoples problems is the answer ( see Ukraine) but manipulating outcomes ( see Afghanistan) is not. These women saw things no one else did 🤯 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I agree there are times. Hitler for example. We needed to fight then. This Vietnam was for sure not one of them nor was Afghanistan . 1y
mcctrish Yes 🙌🏻 @TheBookHippie totally agree 1y
AmyG I was in Jr high/HS and only teally remember seeing snippets on TV….I didn‘t pay too much attention. I vaguely knew of them flying orphns, babies to the US. I knew nothing about soldiers. I found this so interesting. 1y
Karisa I did not know about the baby lift either and hadn‘t considered that so many children during that time had American fathers. I had a friend at work awhile back who was adopted from Vietnam and had mentioned hearing he had a white bio-father (his adopted mother was white and father was Asian both American). This book helped his story click into possible historical context for me. Though I am not 100% if he was part of all this. 1y
TheBookHippie @Karisa I‘m not sure they all were told if they were infants but the possibility is there for sure. 1y
Karisa @TheBookHippie He didn‘t seem to know much about it himself, and he said his parents didn‘t want to talk about it. They had divorced by the time I knew him. Books like these make you think about the ripple effects major events have on people you see everyday but would never know by looking at them 1y
TheBookHippie @Karisa I totally agree. 1y
Deblovestoread I don‘t remember anything about the baby lift but do remember discussing the war at home. We were among the dissenters. I still have a copy of The Oregonian declaring the end of the war. I honestly know why I keep it but can‘t bring myself to get rid of it. 1y
TheBookHippie @Deblovestoread my parents protested the war. I know as a draftee that couldn‘t have been easy for my dad, I never thought about the risk he took being in the army and protesting .. I do know I was told from birth how awful it was as we were living through it. That it was my childhood isn‘t lost on me every time I protest these last almost 40 years without them. 1y
DebinHawaii @Sargar114 I highlighted that quote too! So accurate! I only knew the basics of the Vietnam War but I do remember hearing/reading about the baby drops. I never really thought about the airline & stewardess role in any of it, so I found that so interesting & so emotionally grabbing—I teared up during those chapters. 1y
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Anyone who has read the book welcome!

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After a reminder of this book from @kspenmoll and some urging from @TheBookHippie and @Librariana I‘m starting this book I‘ve had in my shelf for two years!
My grandchildren, Emery & Natalya are now 3 yo. 👧🏻 👧🏻

BookNAround How precious! 1y
TheBookHippie They are darling. 💕💕💕 1y
charl08 😍😍 1y
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AlaMich The sunglasses!! 😍 1y
tpixie @AlaMich lol yes. I thought the girls, the chair, and the glasses matched the book. But to get them to wear the glasses and look at me… lol well that never happened! Never expect to get a posed photo with twins! Lol 😂 1y
Itchyfeetreader This photo is just adorable 1y
squirrelbrain Cute photo! 💕 1y
tpixie @squirrelbrain @Itchyfeetreader thanks! I have about 6 of these photos. They are all ‘out takes‘. Never got the ‘properly posed‘ photo- which is probably for the best! 1y
kspenmoll They are adorable in their sunglasses exploring your book of course! 1y
tpixie @kspenmoll thanks- glad you brought this book back to my attention. It is fascinating! 1y
Sparklemn So sweet! 1y
CoverToCoverGirl Beautiful! 🤩 1y
tpixie @CoverToCoverGirl @Sparklemn thanks! They are a mess! 1y
Reggie So cuuuute! 1y
mabell Oh the cuteness! 💕💕 1y
tpixie @UwannaPublishme @Reggie @mabell thanks! I‘m doing my best to create little #Littens! 1y
Gissy And those artists? So pretty💕✨✨💫 1y
tpixie @Gissy thanks 😊👧🏻👧🏻🌸 1y
tpixie @mcctrish lol it‘s also one of my favorite photos on my posts ( I wonder why?) the colors are so great! 1y
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“ A nation of Penelopes did not wait for Odysseues.” This is in reference to the social/political changes in women & it‘s movement that occurred while the Vietnam War was waging.The stewardesses in the tagged book were already independent, resourceful,living on their own, had their own incomes & were traveling the world.This well researched non fiction book goes beyond my expectations. I am riveted! #sundaybuddyread

Sargar114 Loved this quote 1y
tpixie I still need to read this! I watched her author events when the book was coming out and was intrigued then! 1y
TheBookHippie @tpixie it‘s so good!!!!! 1y
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TheBookHippie It was just an amazing read! 1y
tpixie @TheBookHippie I‘ll move it up. It‘s been sitting on my shelf waiting… 1y
Librariana Based on that quote alone (and you calling it well-researched and riveting!) I'll have to add it to the TBR stack! I had not heard of it 😊 1y
TheBookHippie @Librariana I wish it had more press, it is an amazing read. 1y
Librariana @TheBookHippie I'm just so grateful for you all and for you all so enthusiastically talking about them! 😄😊 I add them to my TBR on goodreads and Storygraph and then my friends see them and add them, too! It's a lovely cycle. I just added this one as well after seeing another fabulous Litsy review ➡️ 1y
TheBookHippie @Librariana Ooo thx! I pick books a year a head of time and I am so pleased this was such an amazing find !! 1y
kspenmoll @Librariana @tpixie @Sargar114 @TheBookHippie Please read it! I have found the stewardesses lives fascinating & all against the background of social & political upheaval. I am so grateful @TheBookHippie found this for us all! 1y
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Once I started listening to this I couldn‘t stop & devoured it in one day! So much in here I didn‘t know! The structure wasn‘t my favorite, it was a little hard to keep all the different womens‘ backgrounds straight in my mind, but the writing and narration were both so good that I didn‘t mind. I feel like I got a privileged little glimpse into a world I can never really know, not having experienced it myself. #SundayBuddyRead @TheBookHippie

TheBookHippie I can‘t wait to discuss it Sunday !!! 1y
IndoorDame @TheBookHippie me too. Great pick! 1y
TheBookHippie @IndoorDame definitely going on my top ten this year. 1y
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#CurentlyListening I haven‘t been following along with the #SundayBuddyRead folks all month, but I‘ve been intrigued by everyone‘s glowing reviews of this one and it just came available on audio so I‘m jumping in at the 11th hour. My grandmother was a stewardess with American Airlines maybe a decade or two before the focus of this book and I‘ve always been curious about that part of her life. I‘ll have to see if my mother remembers any stories.

SamAnne My grandfather was the third pilot hired by American Airlines! 1y
IndoorDame @SamAnne wow! What a cool piece of history to have claim to! 1y
TheBookHippie How fun enjoy!!!!! 1y
TheBookHippie Sunday morning I post the questions 💙 1y
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So much to say! #SUNDAYBUDDYREAD see ya Sunday for our last talk on this book! 💙🛩️🤐🤫

vlwelser Officially tempted to read this. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser ohhhh well adding to my list I think I have 5 now from reading this book 😂 1y
stevesbookstuf1 Listened to the audiobook of this last year and thought it was great! 1y
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Definitely a pick. And extra props to @TheBookHippie for bringing this into my life.

#SundayBuddyRead final discussion this Sunday. Until then 🤐

#BookSpinBingo @TheAromaofBooks

TheBookHippie 💙🛩️🤐🤫 1y
vlwelser @TheBookHippie 💙💙💙 1y
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Such a fascinating read. A look at some of the women that worked for the iconic airline Pan Am. In learning some of their stories you learn a lot about the history of the world and travel as well as the women‘s rights movement in the mid century. If you‘re looking for an interesting non-fiction, this would be a good one to pick up! Read for #sundaybuddyread

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Now we get to finish!!!!

kspenmoll Yay!!! Love this book! 1y
TheBookHippie @kspenmoll I love it so much more than I anticipated !! 1y
vlwelser I love this book. I had never heard of it. So zero expectations. But really glad you brought it into my life. 1y
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DebinHawaii A great pick once again! Really enjoying it! 💙✈️ 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser I think it is too bad it didn't get a lot of press or push. It is really really good. I am so glad I found it when looking for a good non fiction. 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I am thoroughly enjoying it!! 1y
Sargar114 Such a fascinating read. I‘m not big on nonfiction, but this one is a winner. 1y
Sargar114 @TheBookHippie how are you feeling? 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 I‘m getting there, slowly. Today was a pretty good day all day. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻I‘m headed in the right direction at last! 1y
Sargar114 @TheBookHippie that‘s great to hear. Sending positive vibes to keep it up ❤️ 1y
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What did you think of the fortune teller story? WOE.

I loved the picture section!

I‘m learning a lot and ready to read more.

For November nonfiction this seems to be perfect for me.

Thoughts so far???

AmyG I find the history of this book fascinating as I never gave any thought to stewardess and the part they played in history. 1y
kspenmoll The picture section enhanced the reading! 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG I do as well, I think it‘s one of the best parts of reading nonfiction - perspective and even empathy and understanding. 1y
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EclecticBookLover I wish there were more pictures! They've been a great reference. I find myself flipping to the frequently as I read. 1y
TheBookHippie @EclecticBookLover I agree!! I flip to them often as well! 1y
mcctrish I had no idea of any of this beyond the glamour component and some bits and pieces from going to Museums of Flight ✈️ in DC and west coast. @EclecticBookLover I agree, more pictures 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 1y
Deblovestoread I am learning so much! I love the window into these women lives although I do mix them up a bit. I also appreciate the look into the Vietnam war and the role stewardesses played. 1y
vlwelser I love the pictures. 1y
EclecticBookLover Something I would have loved to have seen depicted more in the pictures is the e olurion of the uniform. There are some and you can see the difference between the hats, but I would have liked some side by sides to compare. 1y
DebinHawaii The pictures make me wish I had a print copy of the book-my Kindle just isn‘t the same for that. I did bookmark them & have been going back to them as well. @EclecticBookLover I agree an evolution of the uniform would have been perfect! 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii Oh that would be lovely all the uniform changes all for us to see . I wish it had a ton more pictures!! 1y
Sargar114 @AmyG I agree, I‘m so enjoying this history lesson with this particular perspective. 1y
mollyrotondo Definitely want more pictures too lol I‘m really learning so much from this book about a profession that is so important to history but I never thought of it as such. Love this nonfiction pick! 1y
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Vietnam orphanages …
Alll those babies ! And the preemies?!
I do remember planes full of them in the news and also a family I knew growing up took 3.

PAN AM & Vietnam were a thing that I never even pondered on, but wow.

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Discuss ….

https://www.panam.org/the-jet-age/737-pan-am-vietnam

What a senseless horrific thing Vietnam was. We had no business being there

AmyG Vietnam was a mistake….like many wars in history. I, too, remember seeing on the news the flights out of Vietnam and the orphans. Heartbreaking. 1y
kspenmoll Vietnam was a huge mistake, under the anti communism banner - huge fear in this country post WWII. I remember babies, john Kerry. I have a friend whose family was able to get out & come to the US. Her mother has had a difficult time because she left so many family members behind, dead & alive. 1y
kspenmoll It took me maturing into late high school to see that the war was wrong 1y
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TheBookHippie @kspenmoll So gut wrenching … 1y
TheBookHippie @kspenmoll It was ingrained in me from birth that it was wrong, I know both my parents suffered from being so outspoken and against it. It was difficult for my father to be drafted into a war he was adamantly against. 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG The baby thing and then the end when they all were trying to flee. Just horrific. 1y
mcctrish I had no idea at all about this connection with Vietnam! I‘m giving this book to my husband to read afterwards. This feels like something that needs more airtime. I feel like the trauma of Vietnam is still hitting hard in the US 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I am doing the same!!! I feel this book needs more press, even though the women blend together the overall knowledge is so necessary… 1y
vlwelser Vietnam was a hot mess. And it seems like everyone realized it right away but struggled to extricate us from it. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser Men. And power. Assine. 1y
EclecticBookLover This was completely new to me as was much of the previous chapters and the relationship between the government and Pan AM. 1y
DebinHawaii The babies & the soldiers—so heartbreaking & so unnecessary for a war we should not have been in. I find it fascinating how ingrained Pan Am was into government & politics. I binged-watched most of the Pan Am series on AMC last weekend & will finish it this weekend -it‘s a good companion to this book! 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I agree! I just love it all!! 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii As for Vietnam..........ugh. Just so disgusting in all kinds of manor...... 1y
Karisa I didn‘t realize how high the numbers of American-fathered babies there were. Such a sad situation all around. @EclecticBookLover I‘ve been surprised by how much government work Pan Am did too 1y
TheBookHippie @Karisa that part was so disheartening …. So many babies… 1y
Sargar114 This has been so interesting to learn about. I never knew the connection between the government and Pan Am in this respect, but it makes sense. So heartbreaking about just about most things relating to that war, but the babies in the boot box and the soldier adamantly protecting them 💔 1y
mollyrotondo @Karisa I found the babies fathered by American men in Vietnam to be an awfully disgusting fact. Our government said who cares. America isn‘t responsible for those babies. So disgusting. And not to knock soldiers but they acted irresponsibly and can walk away from women and their babies who were being killed by napalm. And to know our government made a statement that those babies would not be protected by the US. Absolutely disgusting. 1y
julieclair I had no idea about the babies. Or of Pan Am‘s involvement with the government. Vietnam. What a mess. The effects of that war (or should I say “conflict”, since war was never even declared) are still being felt today. So many sad, tragic ripples. No the least of which were those poor boys whose number came up and got sent over there to that living hell… then came back to a country that hated them and called them baby killers. 1y
TheBookHippie @mollyrotondo the whole thing is disgusting and the children I knew and grew up with from plane drops mostly were messed up for life, just so so sad. (edited) 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair so many of those babies went to churches who adopted them out -we had so many babies to age 4 here in our town it was just gut wrenching. They should have taken the moms too at least. 1y
julieclair Wow. And yes! Why not also take the moms? The kids were American citizens, right? (Or we‘re they? I‘m not sure how that works.) But either way, the moms should have been allowed to come. It‘s the least we could do. 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair yes technically Americans, and were expedited through adoption process most kids -born 1971-75 have no clue their biological parentage. Just unreal. So my aged kids were left there…. (edited) 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair some babies came over in a trickle 1970 on I believe . I‘m waiting to ask my mum, her friend took 3! 1y
julieclair It will be so interesting to hear what your mom has to say. 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair OK. I got the story. They were airlifted 3 different times, one baby was found in a dumpster, a GI rescued it and boarded PAN AM. One came with the baby drop and one came the last day rush via helicopter during the pullout and then PAN AM. 😵‍💫🤯 one of the three is doing well. One is in state group home and one is in a more independent living situation but has brain damage to some degree from trauma …so sad. 1y
julieclair Oh my goodness gracious. What a story. That could be a whole book right there. So sad and shocking. But... One of the 3 is doing well! That would not have been the case if he/she had stayed in Vietnam, almost certainly. War. So many ripples. It's hard to get your head around it. 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair RIGHT? It‘s such a story. Now my mom wants to read the book! She said PAN AM is what was used for the people at our base. Mind boggling. 1y
julieclair I bet your mom would enjoy the book, and also would enjoy reading all our comments. Is she on Litsy? 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair BAHAHAHAHAHA no. She‘s quite old and she doesn‘t inhabit places or spaces I am in. Highly complicated relationship. But I did thrill her with my phone call and the promise of getting the book to her. Forgiveness is one thing. Forgetting or allowing abuse is quite another. I have strict boundaries. So unfortunate. 1y
julieclair You are 100% right to set boundaries. Not always the easiest thing to do, even when necessary. Good for you. I'm proud of you. 💝 And it's nice that this book provided an opportunity for you to have a small, positive, appropriate, and safe interaction with your mother. Thank you for making the connection so we all could learn what she had to say about the babies. 👍 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair ♥️ I have strict boundaries for 40 years🙃. It‘s just one of those unfortunate things. My grandma was my person 💜 I was so lucky to have her. 1y
julieclair Grandmas are the best! 💞💗 1y
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So, were these women feminist ?
The passenger “You‘re not empty headed maybe I was wrong…”😝🤦🏻‍♀️👀😵‍💫 also um they‘re there for safety as well, and probably foremost yes?
What has been your opinion of stewardesses? Is the book changing it any?

Another TBR

https://www.afar.com/magazine/inside-the-great-stewardess-rebellion

AmyG Stewardess were thought of as not-very-bright, pretty women. If I told my parents I wanted to be a stewardess they would throttle me. 🤣 YES, this book is very eye-opening. Never underestimate women. 💪🏻 1y
kspenmoll I never really thought about stewardesses; I just took them for granted. That‘s why this book is so compelling! I am learning so much about the history, cultural significance of these women. They were feminists, although early on they may not have had the language or thought of themselves that way. But before the unionizing etc., they were feminists just because of how they lived their lives. 1y
kspenmoll @AmyG Same with my parents- they & me never knew they were college educated! 1y
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mcctrish I think I was of two minds about stewardesses. In tv and movies they were always portrayed badly but irl on planes they seems capable of anything. My dad worked for CP Rail so when I was young we always went out west by train and it was only men on the train. Flying was way fancier to me and had women (and men too ) seemed more progressive 1y
vlwelser I think they could be called feminists. But they truly stick up for themselves foremost. 1y
EclecticBookLover Very eye opening. The perceptions and portrayal of stewardesses in the media is very sexist and the women are routinely objectified. 1y
DebinHawaii I think they are feminists and/or women who wanted a different life than what was expected. The few friends I have that are or were flight attendants mainly do it for the travel. Having traveled so much internationally in my past & not loving flying, I just always thought how that was I job I could never do & admire them for that. 1y
Karisa It has been enlightening to read their experiences. I‘ve been so amazed that they were specifically chosen because of how highly qualified and bright they were. Yet they also were disqualified if not meeting beautify standards of the time and treated like objects rather than full humans 🙃😵‍💫 Their education and fearlessness seem to have made them extra ready for the fight for rights (still not easy) 1y
Sargar114 I would say I didn‘t have much of an opinion on stewardesses and if I did, it wasn‘t great based on how pop culture portrays them. I would absolutely call them feminists, at least all the women in this book. Not going with the norm and wanting more out of life. Also not accepting substandard treatment, absolutely feminist qualities. 1y
mollyrotondo I always respected flight attendants especially after 9/11. They need to know not only what to do if the plane has an emergency but if there is an attack. After reading this flight attendants flying internationally always had a risk of a hijacker. Even though it didn‘t happen sooo much they still needed to be trained on what to do. That‘s not an easy task. So much respect. This book has shown me how society has downgraded the job not the women. 1y
julieclair As a kid, I thought being a stewardess was so glamorous. All that travel! As an adult, I have had several neighbors who have been flight attendants. Every one of them has been outgoing, smart and competent. And fun, too! I have always been impressed by the amount of safety training they received on an annual basis. They are true professionals. Especially the ones who have been flying for many years. 1y
TheBookHippie @mollyrotondo I‘ve always admired them but I sure have more appreciation of them and those earlier women. They have not gotten the props they deserve. This book is so fascinating to me, I am thoroughly enjoying it. 1y
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The Russia experiences
Would you have done it?
Hazels love of it
What did you think ?

kspenmoll I thought Hazel was amazing- her big disappointment being that she never saw how Russians really lived. She joined breadlines, make up lines- was given recipes by Russian stewardess when they were not allowed to interact. She enjoyed the diversity she saw in its population. Felt included. 1y
kspenmoll I would have been too scared sadly at that age to venture out as she did. 1y
AmyG My parents (my step-dad was a travel agent) went to Russia when it opened up. All I remember is my Mom bringing lots of lipstick to give to women. It was a “thing”. (edited) 1y
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TheBookHippie @AmyG I remember my grandma doing that too! The lipstick, it‘s weird because Russia was fighting against Hitler so the frame of reference was always a bit different for her. 1y
AmyG @TheBookHippie Was your grandmother Russian? Both of my great-granparents were from Russia! 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG what we say “a smidge” 🙃 1y
mcctrish @AmyG I love this 💄 1y
vlwelser I like this as well. The Russians in the time period really make us look ridiculous. With good reason. But they obviously had their own struggles. 1y
DebinHawaii I don‘t think I could have done it the brave way Hazel did. I found the “spy” stuff in this chapter so interesting & creepy—the flashbulbs going off when they were sleeping & wondering if you were imagining it?!?! 😱🫣😳 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii right?????? YIKES. 1y
Karisa My husband‘s family is Russian (migrated around 1900). They talked about traveling to Russia and taking jeans there when it reopened. 1y
Karisa @DebinHawaii That was way creepy! I mean were there just hidden cameras or people walking in while she slept or people in those thick walls??! I would‘ve been out of there 😅 My sister-in-law saw cameras in her hotel rooms when in China ten years ago. It made me think of that. No privacy (edited) 1y
Sargar114 @DebinHawaii @Karisa that spy stuff was wild! And people hiding in walls, so creepy. 1y
mollyrotondo I loved reading about Hazel‘s experience. I wouldn‘t have been able to do it because there was so much paranoia and still so much poverty like not even food. 1y
julieclair No way I would have been brave enough to do what Hazel did in Russia. But… how fascinating! 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair yah no….. although I‘ve always wanted to see Russia but not at the cost of me … yikes. 1y
julieclair “Not at the cost of me” 😂😂 So true!! 1y
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Women striving to be free
Can‘t be out alone
No credit card
No birth control
In 1972

Think some factions of the USA still want it to be this way and that‘s what we‘re seeing in politics? Along with other countries? Is it religion ?
Control?
Fear? -are men simply afraid of women with power?
Your thoughts?

Were the women striving to be free disguised as wanderlust ? Or both?

kspenmoll I think women with wanderlust were naturally wanting or expecting their own freedom- part of their adventurous spirit. My aunt was like that- she traveled the world, skied the world, when she was not teaching, & when she retired. She had a teacher friend & a childhood friend who were able to join her; she also traveled alone. She started in the 1950s. 1y
AmyG Control. In politics there are many who just want control-over everyone. POWER. I also think a strong woman threatens many men. F*** that. 🤣 (edited) 1y
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mcctrish I‘m going to vote that it‘s religion and fear. Change is hard and some people are still clinging to words uttered ages ago and written down ages later as proof that this is what should be to stay in control ( so some of that too @AmyG ) 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I agree 💯 that is the most of it and the people craving control and power use it to their benefit. @AmyG 1y
vlwelser It's like they want control over everything. And they want it back. 1y
DebinHawaii Yep—they want all the control, money & power—it never changes! 🤬 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser yup. They‘re afraid. And intimidated. Also 🤬🙄🤦🏻‍♀️🤢 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii SERIOUSLY 🙄 1y
Karisa @AmyG Yeah, control is the key. Wanting to maintain the same power structure that has benefited the few. They are so afraid to share some of that power around even if it could help humanity as a whole. Frustrating! I mean, what year is it?! 😅 1y
Sargar114 Agree with everyone, it‘s is absolutely a control issue. So gross 1y
mollyrotondo It‘s control. White men want all of the control. So they will certainly bring us back to the age of no one but white land owning men have rights. They will disguise it as God wanting it this way but it‘s all about keep themselves in power because they are so afraid and insecure they need to keep the rest humanity down in order to feel good about themselves. I hate them. 1y
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Karen
Goes on honeymoon alone
After wedding cancelled
Huzzah!
Then goes on a wild adventure
Returns home
Gets the fiancé back ?
Gets married
Pays for everything
Stays gone
Thoughts ?

kspenmoll I admire her- she was ahead of her time ( middle class values) in her visions of her own life & her marriage. Although she truly mourned his disappearance after his bachelor party, she got thru it & again took agency of her own life. 1y
AmyG Yes @kspenmoll …she took charge of her life. Did what she felt was best for her, not the times she lived in. 1y
mcctrish I have a post it on this chapter “what would Karen do” she was broken hearted and fierce 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 1y
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vlwelser This is another part that I love. These young women are fierce. In a time when that wasn't the norm or encouraged. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser I agree, I love it. 1y
DebinHawaii Yes, kudos to Karen for following her own dreams, wants and needs! 🎉 (edited) 1y
Karisa Go Karen! I couldn‘t believe the boat part too and not caring if she lost her job. I can‘t imagine… Fierce is right! 1y
Sargar114 This was a fascinating part. I don‘t know if I could do that, but then again, who knows what one can do through that kind of grief. I admired her spirit, and even though they found their way back to each other, it was after they both grew up and found themselves in each their own ways. 1y
mollyrotondo Loved this about Karen! I mean her fiancée just ditched her right before the wedding and she took it as “me” time. That was amazing! 1y
julieclair I was so proud of Karen for going on the honeymoon anyway. I was actually a bit sad when they eventually got married, after the way he had treated her. 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair me too like GIRLLLL NOOOOOOOO!!!! Ugh 1y
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The descriptors about Black Women, made me sick - the same old BS angry, masculine -really?!
Ugh
Hazel was really brave. Wow.
Honestly I cannot even imagine.
Thoughts?

Book I put on my TBR
https://www.amazon.com/Stars-Sky-Stories-American-Attendants/dp/1600475450/ref=n...

AmyG I thought Hazel was amazing! Especially when she went on that boat after losing her job. (edited) 1y
mcctrish Chapter 11 ( Open Skies for Negro Girls) opened with Najeeb Halaby wishing for stewardesses like Geisha and I practically choked! I loved Hazel and the Moscow storyline, it reminded me of “The Americans” tv show and reading A Gentleman in Moscow. Imagine being able to be there when the whole world had such limited first hand knowledge of it 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish A Gentleman in Moscow is one of my favorite books of all time. 1y
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vlwelser I really like this perspective. It could have been left out but I respect the author for including it and giving a better picture. This book really is complex and well written. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser I agree. It‘s really well done. 1y
DebinHawaii @vlwelser Yes! I am so glad she included Hazel‘s perspective & that of other black women. @TheBookHippie Thanks for the book suggestion - adding it to my TBR too! 🤗 1y
Karisa @mcctrish Um, yeah. The geisha part had me doubling back to re-read “wait. what???” style. Ugh. It ceased extra unfair that the women of color were offered training but then not jobs. It was a waste of many of their time. Hazel did make the most of it. I was surprised by her insights into Moscow 1y
Sargar114 Hazel‘s story and her perspective on Moscow was fascinating. I‘m glad it was included. I agree @mcctrish it reminded me of “The Americans” as well. 1y
mollyrotondo I really loved this section. Hazel in Moscow really helped me understand her perspective and the culture in Moscow at the time. What was valued there compared to here. How the restaurants wanted you to ask for things they didn‘t have because it was part of the appearances game they played. But also so sad that food was so scarce. Really love how much culture this book describes during the 60s and 70s. 1y
julieclair Wouldn‘t it be amazing to be able to have a conversation with Hazel? I was so impressed by her. 1y
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Clare working in office
And not taking promotions because of her navy husband…
Thoughts ?
I do wish the girls were chapters
It‘s difficult to keep it all straight or is it just me ??? 😅

AmyG It was still a man‘s world. I get the women confused, too. 🤣 1y
mcctrish Some women stick better than others 🤣🤣 I think several generations of not talking about things, just getting them done left everyone not realizing they could actually talk to each other to understand their perspective. Karen and Alan, Lynne and Alex come to mind 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish @AmyG I‘m taking notes who is this now …. Oh yah… 🙄😅 1y
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TheBookHippie @mcctrish I swear COMMUNICATION … solves so many things in life if only people used it! 1y
mcctrish I know!!! 1y
vlwelser It's difficult to keep straight. Especially since I am busy and only reading when I can squeeze a bit in. 1y
DebinHawaii It is tough to keep track of all of the women but I do find their stories so interesting. 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I agree their lives fascinate me. 1y
Karisa Seeing the photo section helped because then the different women felt more distinct and real to me. I wish the pictures of the women were worked more into the biographical parts. They do start to blur on me but their lives of travel did make for a blur too. It sounds exciting but I don‘t think I could do that for long. I like being home too much 😅 1y
Sargar114 With all information being presented and the women‘s stories kinda just interweaving that it really is tough to keep track. I like those stories but I can‘t tell who‘s who a lot of the time. 1y
mollyrotondo I‘m glad I‘m not the only one lol I find all the women fascinating but it is hard to keep track of them. I‘m just trying to focus on listening to the experiences but can‘t necessarily connect them to a specific person. 1y
mollyrotondo I was annoyed that Clare‘s husband wanted her to take the office because he didn‘t want he traveling so much 🙄 get over it. When these women got married their lives seemed to get so much more complicated because their husbands wanted to essentially get them to quit what they loved. Except for one of the guys. Alex? One of them was sort of alright with it. But most didn‘t like it. 1y
julieclair @mollyrotondo I‘m doing the same thing. Kind of letting all the women merge into one “amalgamated stewardess” 😂, and listening to “her” collective experiences. 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair SAME 😂😂😂 1y
TheBookHippie @mollyrotondo I still get asked do you have to ask your husband ? 🤦🏻‍♀️ or worse I had someone thank him for “letting me” volunteer … he put them in their place 😂😂😂✊🏼 so gross. 1y
julieclair Wow… “letting” you volunteer. I‘m glad he put them in their place. You go, Mr. Book Hippie! 1y
TheBookHippie @julieclair seriously 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ 1y
mollyrotondo @TheBookHippie wow. I just can‘t. 1y
mollyrotondo @julieclair yes! I‘m listening to the audiobook so it‘s just easier to think of it this way 😂 1y
TheBookHippie @mollyrotondo I know it‘s my age but still WTF. Do you even know me is generally my answer. Never in a billion years. 😂🤦🏻‍♀️🤪 1y
julieclair @mollyrotondo I‘m listening to the audio, too! So we can‘t even flip back pages to try to figure it out. We‘re helpless, lol! 1y
mollyrotondo @julieclair exactly 😂 so we make it work! 1y
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NOW
national organisation of women

https://now.org/about/

What did you think of all the lawsuits and the struggle to get treated with dignity and as men are?!
Does it never end?
Thoughts while reading??

The dress codes reminded me of parochial school. A little PTSD 😅😝.
Do you think work places etc should have strict uniforms and rules for outside of work dress?

Also weight checks????? 😵‍💫

AmyG Good for women. Have things changed? Ha…look at Roe. Women will always hve to fight for equality because…..men. 1y
mcctrish @AmyG and religion 🤦🏻‍♀️ 1y
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mcctrish The weight checks though 👎🏻👎🏻 at that age I admit to not really having to worry but still how invasive 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish same… did they do that to the men as well??? 🙄 1y
Deblovestoread @AmyG @mcctrish Unbelievable but so true. 1y
TheBookHippie @Deblovestoread 🤦🏻‍♀️ 1y
vlwelser I have read a couple of Gloria Steinem's books. It was cool to see this from another side but I also felt grateful to not need the back story while reading this. 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii also should state it‘s so exhausting 🤢🤬😵‍💫✊🏼 1y
AmyG @mctrish Yep…and religion. 😡 1y
Karisa So much need to control women‘s bodies—then and today. It feels less out in the open today but maybe that‘s just the distance of time 1y
Sargar114 Doesn‘t really feel like it‘s changed much…sigh 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 it‘s shocking and unreal but then again …I guess we shouldn‘t be shocked at all. 1y
mollyrotondo The weight check was despicable. And I don‘t believe dress codes. Most of the time dress codes are aimed at women. Yes sometimes they include men should wear shirt and tie or polo and khakis 🙄 but mostly it‘s all about female clothing trends that women are not allowed to follow at work. I don‘t support it. 1y
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Divorce
A new thing
And exploding by 1975
For fun - question: was this scandalous anytime in your life? Interesting fact in the book about how quickly the numbers climbed.
Is it relevant ?

https://www.insider.com/divorce-rate-changes-over-time-2019-1

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-evolution-of-divorce

https://www.redbookmag.com/love-sex/relationships/g4275/divorce-throughout-histo...

kspenmoll I remember when my mom‘s friend with 6 kids divorced her husband happily… her friends, neighbors, etc. were scandalized & some ostracized her but my mom totally supported her, knowing what her marriage was like. This must have been in late 60s. 1y
AmyG This affected my life in no way growing up. 1y
mcctrish I babysat for a family on the street I lived on who separated. The grownups talked about it - he worked at “the” shoe shop in the mall, he had some kind of trust fund that wasn‘t huge, she didn‘t work, they had a baby. I babysat all the time so she could go out on dates and I‘d get paid extra to clean too. Even in high school I was kind of 😳 over the Tuesday night dates. I was often asleep on the couch when she got home 1y
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vlwelser I grew up in a mostly Catholic part of the country so general shame for people it happened to. 1y
DebinHawaii I think I was so young in the 60s that I never thought about it much & it seemed like the 70s and beyond were so much freer. As a teen, I saw both my older sisters go through divorces so it always seemed pretty normal to me, plus my dad was divorced in the late 50s when he met & married my mom, so again no big deal. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 1y
Karisa Divorce seemed pretty rare in my small town, evangelical bubble growing up. There must‘ve been some divorces, but I don‘t remember any. Lots of unhappy, male dominated marriages though. . . I guess it just gives context to the time and some of the changes going on while stewardesses fought to be seen as equal, independent people 1y
mollyrotondo I was born in 1990 and went to Catholic school but had a few kids in my class who‘s parents were divorced. And then mine divorced when I was a teenager. So no shame where I grew up. I do like that this book points out these changes because it shows how important it is to make these social changes because how many people were in unhappy, possibly abusive and constraining, marriages who couldn‘t get out because it was “frowned”upon. Women‘s rights.. 1y
mollyrotondo do correspond so well will women‘s rights in the workforce and with flight attendants being women in those days they were a great profession to show all these rights women were fighting for at work and at home. I like these tie ins. 1y
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Sex and the single girl - help or hurt women ?
1962

Tori and her fiancé
What was HE doing on HIS layovers if he didn‘t trust her on hers. True yes???

kspenmoll Yes re: Tori- her question was just as relevant as his, although in such a make dominated world , he may have taken affront at that question! 1y
kspenmoll Sex and the Single Girl- I never read it hut it may have been a double edged sword so to speak- letting women know their sexuality etc. is ok but also letting men know-maybe make assumptions about all women? 1y
AmyG I agree about him. We tend to assume people do and think like us, don‘t we? 1y
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AmyG I think Sex and the Single Girl helped women gain confidence and equality. I don‘t think men were and are too thrilled. 🤣 1y
mcctrish I had a ‘boyfriend‘ in uni. We were having sex so that meant to me we were exclusive and in a relationship. He made a comment that he‘d have a serious talk with his younger sister if she did what we were doing. This was the 80‘s 😳 and we were early 20‘s. I‘m still semi processing the fuckery this dumbass male off handedly threw down. He was toast but that‘s the double standard in a nutshell 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG men are thoroughly intimidated by women who own their sexuality ✊🏼😂 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish 💯💯💯💯UGHHHH 1y
vlwelser So true. I love these girls. 1y
DebinHawaii My older sister had the book & I remember reading it & thinking it was pretty cool & scandalous. The double-standards that still exist today about sexuality are so frustrating! 1y
Karisa @AmyG Agreed on Tori. His questioning and suspicions of her seemed to say a lot about him 1y
mollyrotondo Tori‘s husband was definitely fooling around on his layovers. No doubt. And that‘s what made him get all controlling over Tori‘s schedule. Men can do it but women need to know their place 🙄 such a jerk. 1y
mollyrotondo I think any book by a woman that openly talks about sex in a positive way is a good thing! 1y
julieclair I never read it, but I do remember that all the adults were talking about it. It was evidently quite scandalous! But I think it was also very empowering for women. (edited) 1y
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Moon landing
In awe
Now it‘s just nothing -it seems to not impress ?
Also I realise my age having been alive then 😵‍💫🤣
What frame of reference do you have of the moon landing?
What would it take now to be that awe struck or are we totally desensitised to good too?

kspenmoll Maybe a Mars landing? But that first moon landing was so incredibly “out of this world”, totally new. July 1969 Was the summer between my 8th & 9th grades so I remember it well- a national event akin to JFK‘s assassination/funeral. All eyes on TV screen. Now, so many missions & instantaneous world wide connections via internet- huge difference politically, socially, etc. 1y
AmyG Alot of that @kspenmoll said. Since then we have had thr internet and so many scientific advances. People today seem numb to so many things. I remember being a kid and telling my Mom to wake me. She woke me up and I said “let me sleep” so I missed it all. 1y
kspenmoll @AmyG Well even though you missed it, over time it becomes a memory- and it was played over & over for decades! 😀 my son when he was young he always wanted to experience things in real time- otherwise it wasn‘t real, even if he just missed a minute! 1y
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TheBookHippie @AmyG 🙃 let me sleep … 😂 1y
mcctrish It was the summer I turned 5. I still have the Globe and Mail special insert my parents kept from the paper. We were at the cottage ( north of Winnipeg Manitoba, my parents were both from WPG - it was my Nana and Papa‘s cottage) we walked over to friends of friends that had a tv to watch a special news report later in the day. All of this was big for me - the friends, the tv, moon travel! How do you top it? 1y
TheBookHippie @mcctrish I AGREE!!!! fantastic. 1y
kspenmoll @mcctrish What a wonderful way to watch the moon landing! And you have news articles! 1y
Deblovestoread I was 10 and it incredible. We were glued to the tv. Not only do we have all the things @kspenmoll said but think about all that our imaginations have dreamed up with Star Wars, etc and special effects and fantasy writing…what would it take to truly surprise us? 1y
TheBookHippie @Deblovestoread I think that all the time… what would surprise us? 1y
vlwelser I was born about 10 years after. It was always just a thing that happened before I was born. Like nbd. 1y
DebinHawaii I only have very slight memories of it as I wasn‘t quite 4 at the time but I remember my older brothers especially being so excited about it. I think it is hard to capture that feeling of wonder of something new & momentous that existed before the internet, social media & a gazillion channels & streaming services have made it so easy to see everything. 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I agree. It doesn‘t amaze.. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser I have found that true as well, it‘s very strange - it was such a huge thing and if you weren‘t alive it‘s nbd. 1y
vlwelser It's like my intern always having lived in a world where 9/11 had already happened. Fascinating. But also weird to think she never got to experience the before times. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser my daughter says the same thing it‘s so vivid to her and younger people she works with have no frame of reference. 1y
Karisa I feel like the pandemic gave us a global focus on an event, but more in an “Oh crap, is this really happening?!” instead of awe and wonder. I remember feeling that sense of awe on a smaller scale with some of the Hubble and more recently the James Webb Space telescope images—just gorgeous! Maybe finally having a progressive woman president or a person on Mars would bring me that feeling? 1y
TheBookHippie @Karisa a woman President I wish, more like joy on one side and absolute hatred on the other. I honestly couldn‘t think of one thing. The pandemic yes. We were all in it. But still the division. 😭 1y
Sargar114 It makes me sad to think that we may not have that United sense of hope and wonder that the moon landing had. There may have been some of that sensation when President Obama was elected, but there has been so much hate and separation since then it is actually hard to remember. 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 there was so much hate here when Obama was elected it was a foreshadowing … but I felt hope with Obama. The country now reflects how my town has always been. I‘m hoping for a pendulum swing. I did see a bunch of hope protesting this summer -very united group of people all ages races religions pro ROE. I even cried at one it was so surreal … downtown where I live, thousands protesting. Made me cry with joy. 1y
Sargar114 @TheBookHippie I was on a work training event away from home when he was elected. I remember being out with people I just met that week in Ohio and a couple of us were practically dancing we were so excited while everyone else at the bar was not nearly as happy. I wonder if with this last week and 2024 we do get that momentum and pendulum swing and get that experience again. 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 there‘s always that hope. 💙 1y
mollyrotondo I was not alive during the moon landing. My mom was 14. But even though I wasn‘t alive I do find it awe inspiring. Computers weren‘t what they are today but they were able to safely land on the moon! I agree that lately so many bad things have happened to shock us instead of good things we can all sit in wonder together and watch. I feel like the only thing people come together on is sports 😏 I mean not me because I don‘t like sports 😂 1y
julieclair I was 12 when it happened, and I still get chills remembering the awe… watching Neil Armstrong bounce around on the moon. It was surreal. The only other things I can compare it to are the pandemic and 9/11 - where the whole world felt connected. But of course those were tragedies and the moon landing was a positive thing. I think a Mars landing might inspire similar feelings, even in today‘s divisive, jaded world. 1y
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Pretending I‘m about to fly with a generous pour of red and a salty snack #sundaybuddyread

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mcctrish @TheBookHippie can‘t wait to talk about the book on Sunday, there are a few parts when my eyes look like this 😳 1y
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Scochrane26 Is the author the same Julia Cooke who writes kids‘ books? 1y
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kspenmoll Fabulous! 😂 1y
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Funko POP Pop! Ad Icons: Pan Am - Stewardess with White Bag, Multicolor, 56816 https://a.co/d/fomyloZ

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vlwelser I love those hats. Is this a real thing or just a cartoon? I kind of want one. 1y
TheBookHippie @vlwelser it‘s real!!!! I‘m seriously considering ordering 🤣🤣💙 1y
Sparklemn The Funkos are so fun!! 1y
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Would you read these ????! 👀

Coffee, Tea or Me? The Uninhibited Memoirs of Two Airline Stewardesses https://a.co/d/5t3aXdT

Sargar114 Probably not considering they‘re fakes lol 1y
TheBookHippie @Sargar114 the curiosity is killing me 😂😂😂😂 1y
Sargar114 @TheBookHippie I dont love the idea of men “portraying” the real lives of women. Big ol eye roll from me 1y
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TheBookHippie @Sargar114 I imagine it‘s puke worthy so I‘ll save it for when I want to be snarky and throw a book 😂😂😂 1y
Sargar114 @TheBookHippie lol PERFECT!!! 😂😂😂 1y
AmyG I distinctly remember this line from when I was a kid. A book of men groping women and how the women stuck together? 🤣 1y
TheBookHippie @AmyG SAME. 😵‍💫 1y
mcctrish @AmyG I remember this too as a gag line in movies “what men want to see, what men want to hear “ 1y
KristiAhlers Yes!!! Please tag me if y‘all decide to read one or both. As a former FA I love reads like this. 1y
DebinHawaii So these books were on my parents bookshelves as were most best sellers of the 60s & I snuck them & read them as a tween. Very scandalous! 😳They were so bad! I skimmed through it again as an adult when we downsized my mom after my dad passed away. By that point, it was known that they were really written by a man. They are the epitome of trash! 🙄 1y
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👀👀👀👀👀👀👀😱😱😱😱 OH MY WORD. Hilarious. 1y
kspenmoll Yes that would be fun after this month‘s book! (edited) 1y
Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick If I could find a cheap copy or borrow one from the library, I would absolutely read them. Knowing they're fake accounts, I'd be interested to see what sort of antics they portray. 1y
TheBookHippie @Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick right???? It‘d be great fun. 1y
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