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My Year of Rest and Relaxation
My Year of Rest and Relaxation | Ottessa Moshfegh
A shocking, hilarious and strangely tender novel about a young woman’s experiment in narcotic hibernation, aided and abetted by one of the worst psychiatrists in the annals of literature. Our narrator has many of the advantages of life, on the surface. Young, thin, pretty, a recent Columbia graduate, she lives in an apartment on the Upper East Side of Manhattan paid for, like everything else, by her inheritance. But there is a vacuum at the heart of things, and it isn’t just the loss of her parents in college, or the way her Wall Street boyfriend treats her, or her sadomasochistic relationship with her alleged best friend. It’s the year 2000 in a city aglitter with wealth and possibility; what could be so terribly wrong? This story of a year spent under the influence of a truly mad combination of drugs, designed to heal us from our alienation from this world, shows us how reasonable, even necessary, that alienation sometimes is. Blackly funny, both merciless and compassionate – dangling its legs over the ledge of 9/11 – this novel is a showcase for the gifts of one of America’s major young writers working at the height of her powers.
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SW-T
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Happy Relaxation Day! Hope you‘re reading a good book 📚 😊💕

#relax #relaxation #relaxandchill #relaxationmeansreading #relaxationreading #relaxationday

Crazeedi Actually I cleaned all my floors, lol I didnt know or I would have celebrated!! 2d
SW-T @Crazeedi At least you have clean floors now! That‘s worth celebrating 😂😂😂 2d
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TheRomantiCate
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An interesting book with a truly touching ending... I am glad I read it but not one I‘d reread. ⭐️⭐️⭐️💫

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JessVen
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Witty and dark with beautiful authorship 🦄

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LadyCait84
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Mehso-so

The book never fully delivered on the sharpness I felt it promised — neither in humor, nor insight — and its protagonist is excruciatingly terrible, save her extreme fondness for both Whoopi Goldberg and Harrison Ford. But it was an easy, unusual read...which are great in the summer.

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ImperfectCJ
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1. Wonderfully weird.
2. CJ, Cha, Cha-cha, Cha-cha Bingo
3. Olive and artichoke heart tapenade. Looks gross but tastes fantastic.
4. Hanging out with our exchange students!
5. Four: English, Spanish, German, Latin.

@howjessreads #friyayintro

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dariazeoli
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Finished my first book of #TheReadingRush! This one was also on my #NewYearWhoDis list... better late than never!

I found the story darkly funny, the main character not particularly likeable, and the plot fascinating.

Challenge completed: Book with 5 or more words in title.

britt_brooke Loved this one! Moshfegh‘s writing is so sharp. 3w
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callielafleur
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Not as funny as I was expecting, and not as loathsome as I was fearing. I actually really enjoyed this, though my one complaint is the way that it ended, which utilized one of my biggest pet peeves in modern lit. Though, to be fair, it was handled better than other books have done.

#24in48

Sweettartlaura As difficult as it is, I really liked this one. I see a through-line from Chopin‘s The Awakening to Plath‘s The Bell Jar to this one. 4w
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GidgetsTreasures75
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7-20-19: My 59th finished book of 2019! #myyearofrestandrelaxation #ottessamoshfegh 👍🏼📖#️⃣5️⃣9️⃣

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Simona
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It‘s very absurd and dark story about young woman trying to understand her life, on the surface still humorous, but narration quickly becomes a story about grief, depression and restlessness. To like the book,I don‘t need likable characters. It‘s authors job to persuade me to understand unlikable, unusual characters and their deeds, and Moshfegh certainly is capable of doing that. If you think that hibernation is boring-you should read this book.

batsy Yes! Great review 👏🏽👏🏽 1mo
Megabooks Great review! I love this book! 1mo
Cathythoughts Nice review! I really enjoyed this one 👍🏻♥️ 1mo
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LauraBeth Great review - just finished this and really liked it! 1mo
BarbaraBB Great review. Your kind of book I think. I liked it a lot too 💜 1mo
Simona @batsy @Megabooks @Cathythoughts Thank you 😊 (edited) 1mo
Simona @LauraBeth I saw your review and I completely agree ... and I kept thinking about connection between modern art - performance/installations, with the life of the character in this book. It seems to me that this story can be read as performance ... 1mo
Simona @BarbaraBB I just like unlikable characters 😘 1mo
Tanisha_A I loved this. Great review! 👏 And I am the same about what you said on unlikeable characters. 1mo
Simona @Tanisha_A Thank you ☺️ 1mo
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LauraBeth
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Ultimately, how we perceive and interact with the world is affected by what our childhoods were like. I think if we bring this understanding to the book, it would help people make sense of the main character.

Full review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2901004983

Hestapleton Black kitten looks like he‘s out a cartoon! 😻 1mo
erzascarletbookgasm Oh, what is Bitsy doing? 😄 💗And the kitten‘s so cute! (What‘s the name?) 1mo
LauraBeth @Hestapleton 😹 he doesn‘t know what he got himself into! 1mo
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LauraBeth @erzascarletbookgasm Bitsy is so glad to be home from the kennel while we were away! ? Kitty‘s name is Robert - preferably pronounced en français - because we want to be fancy but aren‘t fancy. 1mo
erzascarletbookgasm Ah, I see Robert‘s name in the pic, how can I miss that! I think I like him as Robert 😁 1mo
LauraBeth @erzascarletbookgasm you didn‘t miss it! I edited it 😀 1mo
Suet624 Such a cutie. 1mo
Megabooks So. Cute. 😍😍 1mo
TheSpineView So cute! The way the ears are angled gives him an owlish look. Makes him cuter... if that is possible!💜🐾 1mo
Lauram 😻 1mo
saresmoore OMG GIMME DAT KITTY 1mo
kspenmoll Beautiful black Robert! Love his name- it‘s my din‘s name too! 😻😻 1mo
ValerieAndBooks Aww!! Love the name! 1mo
LauraBeth @Suet624 I need another cat like I need a hole in the head 😂 1mo
LauraBeth @Megabooks He‘s a teeny tiny thing 😹 1mo
LauraBeth @TheSpineView his ears are huge 😹 1mo
LauraBeth @saresmoore I think you subliminally convinced me I should have a black cat 😻 1mo
LauraBeth @kspenmoll and @ValerieAndBooks he‘s a sweet boy 😻 1mo
DebinHawaii Robert is adorable! 🐱❤️ 1mo
LauraBeth @DebinHawaii well he‘s no Max but he‘s okay 😹 1mo
TNbookworm Robert is precious😻 1mo
DebinHawaii @LauraBeth 😘😻 1mo
BarbaraBB Excellent review. I enjoyed this one a lot too. 😘 1mo
UwannaPublishme Awww! Robert is gorgeous! I hope he gets along with beautiful Bitsy. ❤️❤️❤️ 4w
Cinfhen What a beauty!!! Tres chic 🖤 3w
Bookzombie Robert is so cute!! 💕🐱 3w
BiblioLitten Both of those fur babies are adorable!!😘😘 4d
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Alfrazier21
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⭐️⭐️⭐️

I would have never imagined a book about a woman who wants to sleep for an entire year could be so interesting. 🤷‍♀️

A privileged and very unlikable main character who decides that sleeping an entire year is the best way to reset her life. Bizarre storyline, but captivating read.

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dxmy
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3,5/5 ⭐

I've always loved sleeping and I'm reaaaally good at it as well (I sleep A LOT), so I was intrigued by the concept of this book. I've already ready 'The Woman who went to Bed for a Year' by Sue Townsend once and I wasn't sure if another book with the same topic would be any different, but my goodness, it was. It's such a dark portrayal of a depressed woman who wants to detach from the world by hibernating... I was so into it!

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Simona
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Books goals: 2 books ➡️ I finished 3 books, well, I still have 30 min to the end of My Year of Rest and Relaxation for my evening walk.
Fitness goals: 25 km ➡️ 21,6 km, 4 hours workouts at home ➡️ 1 hour and 40 minutes, and I was at 2 hours long yoga class as planned.
I‘m quite pleased with my achievements, and for the next week I will add, to challenge myself, a hike on the nearby hill.

#BookFitnessChallenge #BFC #BFCr2

wanderinglynn Way to go! 🙌 A fantastic week! 🎉 1mo
UwannaPublishme Yay for you! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 1mo
kspenmoll Happy for you-well done! 1mo
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dxmy
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Currently reading this one, very curious about it

ImperfectCJ This was one of my favorites of the books I've read this year so far. I love Moshfegh's dark, bizarre, Shirley Jackson-ish style. 2mo
dxmy @ImperfectCJ Thats good to hear! I'm on page 73 now and I'm really into it so far! 2mo
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kalinichta
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Can a year of sleep change your life? Let's find out!

Even though the MC was kind of a terrible person, I couldn't wait to see what happened next in her pursuit of a life reset through sleep. (And I have to admit I was envious of her ability to take a year off to sleep. Oh, beautiful sleep...) And that psychiatrist!

#BetterLivingThroughChemistry

Leftcoastzen It‘s such a strange and wonderful book! 2mo
britt_brooke I love Moshfegh! 2mo
kalinichta @britt_brooke I'll definitely read more from her. 2mo
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Emilymdxn
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So odd, so dark, definitely completely unlike anything I‘ve read before. I don‘t normally like character portraits of unpleasant people but this one was just different somehow - funny, minutely observed, very human but never made excuses. I‘m honestly in awe of how Moshfegh made this subject matter appealing to me but she absolutely managed!

heikemarie This gives me hope - I've been drawn to this book but also struggle with the things you describe so I think I will give it a shot! 2mo
Leftcoastzen It is so different, but I loved it! 2mo
Cathythoughts I loved it too ! I liked the ending 2mo
Theaelizabet Couldn‘t agree more. I was completely caught off guard with this book. The ending...perfect. 2mo
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Emilymdxn
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Morning in Yorkshire with my parents. This is an odd book but I‘m loving it so far. Thank you to the lovely @Simona who sent it to me!

TrishB Enjoy 👍🏻 2mo
Kalalalatja Lovely set up 👌 2mo
Simona Enjoy❣️ 2mo
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Bertha_Mason

"There was no shortage of psychiatrists in New York City, but finding one as irresponsible and weird as Dr. Tuttle would be a challenge I didn‘t think I could handle."

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A beautiful page-long sentence.

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Bertha_Mason

"Someone said once that pupils were just empty space, black holes, twin caves of infinite nothingness. “When something disappears, that‘s usually where it disappears—into the black holes in our eyes.” I couldn‘t remember who had said it."

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Bertha_Mason

"I could count the number of times he‘d gone down on me on one hand. When he‘d tried, he had no idea what to do, but seemed overcome with his own generosity and passion, as though delaying getting his dick sucked was so obscene, so reckless, had required so much courage, he‘d just blown his own mind." ?⚰

ephemeralwaltz Love her 🙌🙌 2mo
Bertha_Mason @ephemeralwaltz Right? She cuts right to the heart of everything. 2mo
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Bertha_Mason

"My first impression of him was that he was free spirited, clever, funny. That proved to be completely inaccurate."

Weaponxgirl 😂 know that feeling 2mo
Bertha_Mason @Weaponxgirl Yyyyep. 🤐 2mo
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Bertha_Mason

"I was both relieved and irritated when Reva showed up, the way you‘d feel if someone interrupted you in the middle of suicide."

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Living the dream.

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welcomethewater
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"It was proof that I had not always been completely alone in this world. But I think I was also holding on to the loss, to the emptiness of the house itself, as though to affirm that it was better to be alone than to be stuck with people who were supposed to love you, yet couldn‘t."

Wouldn‘t recommend it for anyone who craves an escape from life, but it's definitely worth picking up. #OttessaMoshfegh

batsy Definitely throws you right back into life. So much to contemplate. 3mo
welcomethewater Absolutely 3mo
mcctrish It‘s an intense read 2mo
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Chavelafab
Mehso-so

I thought the beginning very intriguing but lost interest a bit midway. The characters are caricatures which made the main protagonist difficult to gel with. What I found most interesting is the premise that you can sleep and sedate yourself to erase your past and re-birth yourself. A sign of our times but worrying.

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OMG, 2 hours of my life I‘ll never get back. In the running for one of the worst books I‘ve ever picked up.

Nessavamusic I have heard this from a number of folks here on Litsy. Not adding this one to my TBR! 3mo
britt_brooke Oh no! 😆 I liked this one a lot, but it‘s definitely not for everyone. The trick is not to take it too seriously. But I respect that you were not a fan. 3mo
jenniferw88 It's definitely a marmite book! Unlike the condiment, I liked this book. 3mo
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Blaire I loved this one...but could see it being a book you either love or hate. @jenniferw88 exactly. 3mo
BookishTrish #Marmitebook love that description! 3mo
Cinfhen Ha! I didn‘t hate it but I didn‘t think it was anything special. Just read McGlue and I appreciated what she did more with that novella. 3mo
Dolly @Nessavamusic @britt_brooke @jenniferw88 @Blaire @BookishTrish @Cinfhen I suspect most of my dislike comes from the numerous references to drug use and celebrity name dropping. Drug abuse is a dealbreaker for me 10 times out of 10. 😧 3mo
britt_brooke @Dolly Completely understand. 3mo
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HKMar
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Mehso-so

I found it refreshing it takes place in the early 2000's (2001) so present day is not in the mindset of the reader which allows you to feel nostalgia/ recall where you were&what you were doing during those yrs. The main character is a chronically depressed&psychotic young woman. This book is relevant today because this was the precursor to the opioid crisis and this was right before 9/11.Overall it's a fascinating read even if it's not relatable.

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Expandingbookshelf
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Harbor views 💜⛵️🤗

Erinreadsthebooks I love that book! 3mo
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Cinfhen
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Mehso-so

I really wanted to love this book but alas I was left unsatisfied. Yes, it‘s thought provoking and beautifully written but the drudgery of reading through the numbness, pain and isolation was tiresome. And the realist in me couldn‘t accept what the narrator was doing to herself without any physical harm ( it just didn‘t add up) I‘m pretty sure I‘m going to HATE McGlue if this is considered Moshfegh‘s best work 🙄

shawnmooney 😍😍😍 One can always hope that she started out with her masterpiece and went downhill from there, hey? :-) 3mo
Flaneurette I agree- the heavy 9/11 foreshadowing and the utterly unbelievable ending irked me to no end! I just didn't buy her “enlightenment“ if that's what you want to call it!
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Cinfhen Thank you @Flaneurette for backing me up!!! I didn‘t buy her “rebirth” either 🙄 3mo
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Cinfhen Well since you pinky swore to not bail @shawnmooney I‘m gonna suck it up too!! And maybe my low expectations will serve me well 3mo
LeahBergen @Cinfhen @shawnmooney I liked Eileen, so who knows? 😆 3mo
CarolynM I liked the writing in Eileen but found the story very unconvincing so I've stayed away from this one. Think I made the right decision. 3mo
Cinfhen If you want to give it a go, I‘ll send you my copy @CarolynM You might get more out of it then I did. 3mo
Cathythoughts I really loved this one & Eileen. Both 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
CarolynM Thanks for the offer, you're very generous, but I think I'll pass. There are too many other books here waiting to be read😬 3mo
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Cinfhen
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I needed a little rest from our narrator, her negativity is slightly exhausting but I‘m curious to see where this story is heading.

Reviewsbylola That cover though! 🙌🏻 3mo
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CorinnaBechko
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I love that I get to listen to books while working. This one was a perfect juxtaposition to actively loving what you're doing while hearing the story.

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Cinfhen
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In preparation for my upcoming #McGlueThreeWay with @LeahBergen and @shawnmooney I‘m wetting my feet with this Moshfegh 💕So far, I‘m smitten 🥰

jhod What is #McGluethreeway?! 3mo
jhod I loved this book. Also recently read this which is similar and great 3mo
Cinfhen I‘m planning on reading the novella McGlue with @shawnmooney @LeahBergen and #McGlueThreeWay is the hashtag for our buddy read @jhod BTW: your tagged book sounds really disturbing... in the best way possible❣️Thanks for sharing 😁 (edited) 3mo
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L_auren Love this book! McGlue is the only Moshfegh I DNF'd (after giving her novels 5 stars twice) so I'll be interested to see what you think 3mo
LeahBergen Weird! I have no notifications that you tagged me here. 🤔 3mo
Cinfhen I‘ve been missing lots of notifications too @LeahBergen 🤷🏼‍♀️ 3mo
Blaire Hope you love it! I found it impossible to put down. So strange and so compelling. 3mo
Cinfhen Yes!!!! Perfect word choice @Blaire strange & compelling!!!! 3mo
Cinfhen I‘m really absorbed by the nameless narrator @L_auren although I found a few sentences passive/aggressive in the author‘s characterization of NY Jews. I guess I‘m a little hyper sensitive but some of her descriptions were a little too cringy for me. 3mo
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Cinfhen
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I totally forgot I pre-ordered this paperback from #BookDepository 🥳🥳 #BookMail Can‘t wait to read this one💜I think I pre-ordered Crawdads too🤷‍♀️

TrishB Not read this one but did like Crawdads 👍🏻 3mo
Cathythoughts I liked this one & Crawdads too 👍🏻♥️ 3mo
GatheringBooks nice!!! i am still waiting (in vain) for my review copy of this one (from my fave distributor) to be sent to me. 😂😭🤣🧚🏼‍♀️💕📚 3mo
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Rissreads I‘m interested to hear what you think! 3mo
Cinfhen Only about 20 pages in @Rissreads and I‘ve already snorted twice. I like the tone of our narrator #Snark 3mo
Rissreads 😆🤣 3mo
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batsy
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? "Don't stop me now, I'm having such a good time, I'm having a ball, don't stop me now" ? Don't stop this narrator from her sleep fest; it's how she has a good time ?

#dontstopmenow #MayMovieMagic @rohit-sawant @Cinfhen

Tanisha_A Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Love it 3mo
Cinfhen My copy arrived today!!! I‘m excited to read this one 😊 3mo
Centique I love sleep so much that I‘m hoping I‘ll like this book too 😋 3mo
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JoScho 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 3mo
batsy @Tanisha_A @JoScho ❤️❤️ 3mo
batsy @Cinfhen Ooh, nice! 3mo
batsy @Centique I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons I loved it 😂 3mo
saresmoore Hahaha! Way to spin it! 3mo
Cathythoughts That‘s brilliant Suba 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
erzascarletbookgasm Hahaha! Love this! 3mo
batsy @Cathythoughts Thanks Cathy 😁 3mo
youneverarrived 😂😂 I need to read this one. 3mo
rohit-sawant 🤣🤣 Best use of the prompt! 🙌🏼🏆 3mo
batsy @youneverarrived @rohit-sawant Thank you for indulging my silliness 😆❤️ The book itself–smart and compelling and not silly! 3mo
readordierachel Clever 😉😆 3mo
batsy @readordierachel 😁😘 3mo
Suet624 When my four kids were growing up, naps were a way for me to escape the noise and tumult. It was a true pleasure. :)
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Mitch
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Ottessa‘s top ten. Back to the Future made the shortlist!

https://www.artforum.com/print/201905/ottessa-moshfegh-79509

JamieArc I loved this! 3mo
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CorinnaBechko
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Listening to this while at work is odd.

julesG 😁 3mo
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executivespooky
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Started this last night. I wasn't really sure what to expect, but I like it!

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heyitsMacall
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Pickpick

This book felt so very true. I experience the same existential dread as the main character every once in a while. I liked

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emilyhaldi
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So last year, I was in the midst of reading the tagged book, and was trying to describe the plot to my husband. He wanted to know if I was reading a non fiction account of Cat Markell... to which I replied, who the hell is that I must know more about her! After some time down a google wormhole, here I am with Marnell‘s memoir. Turns out, her story is shockingly similar to Moshfegh‘s wild narrative. 💊💊💊
#rehab #anglophileapril

britt_brooke Oh wow, curious about this one now! 4mo
Reviewsbylola I haven‘t heard of this one before. Did you like it? 4mo
emilyhaldi I haven‘t read it yet but I will keep you posted 😉 @britt_brooke @Reviewsbylola 4mo
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Cinfhen Hmmmm, need to check out your hubby‘s recommendation 💜 4mo
Mdargusch I‘ve never heard of either book 🤷🏼‍♀️ 4mo
readordierachel Interesting! 4mo
ephemeralwaltz Interesting to know! 4mo
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Talewaggingreads
Pickpick

Rating this a pick even though I had a mind bending love/hate relationship with almost every aspect of this book. A sucker for brilliant writing, I pushed on despite the anxiety that swirled about me. Comic relief came to the rescue, and onward I read. Sleep will never be the same. 😴😫😴

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LizzieVT
Pickpick

Read this book recently and was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. It is more of a character study (or a generation study?) than a plot-driven book. The main character is a thoroughly unpleasant person, someone who is narcissistic and doesn‘t seem to have much love for any of the people she knows - but this was, actually, a bit of a relief. The protagonist does not claim to be likeable, and yet, her story captivates you.

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MrsMalaprop
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Gratuitous inclusion of a pistachio crumbed dark choc coated orange eaten while finishing this novel.

This was clever and depressing and funny and nothing. It‘s a ‘pick‘ and I‘m scratching my head. And now I just want to sleeeep 😴😴😴.

@Rissreads #buddyread

Cinfhen I preordered the paperback last week …for some reason the cover and title really speak to me 😁 4mo
Rissreads @Cinfhen great book, weird but satisfying! I love the cover too! 4mo
Rissreads @MrsMalaprop do share! So where can I get me one of those? 🍊🍫 I have another of her books on my shelf it was shortlisted for the Man booker in 2016. (edited) 4mo
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Cathythoughts I loved it & especially the ending 👍🏻♥️ 4mo
MrsMalaprop @rissreads @Cinfhen I agree Nerissa. As bleak as her situation was, I didn‘t want to stop reading! And the dark choc oranges are from Nosh in Vic Park. They are made (chocolate and all) here in Perth. A favourite guilty pleasure of mine that I am oft gifted by my family 😋. 4mo
MrsMalaprop @Cathythoughts Yes, that was quite an ending! 4mo
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PixieDust
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I often wish I could just sleep all my troubles away, this is a story about a woman that actually managed to do that. It‘s strange and made me take a good long hard look at myself. It‘s funny disgusting and not what you expect from a story, it doesn‘t have an easy resolution. The final page of this book DESTROYED me!! I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS

nikirtehsuxlol Girl, same. 4mo
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nikirtehsuxlol
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This book is not for everyone, but this book was for me.

Erinreadsthebooks It was for me, too! Loved it! 🙌 4mo
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Rissreads
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Well I must have liked this book because I felt for the main character and cared about what she was doing to herself. I found myself yelling at her ‘Nooooooo! Stop!‘ quiet often. This book was a trip and so funny in places, especially the ‘so called‘ psychiatrist who was bat shit crazy! 🤣
It references Whoopi Goldberg a lot and I kept wondering if she has read it.
As my Mum always says “Money doesn‘t make you happy.” I‘m glad it ended with hope.

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MrsMalaprop
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@Rissreads @LapReader & anyone else who‘d care to join us on this #buddyread 🤗📚.

Starting this properly today. Finding myself lol in a cafe. Dr Tuttle #wtf!? 😂😭

Rissreads I know hilarious right! 🤣 4mo
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Rissreads
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This book is hilarious one minute, 🤣🤣🤣 The main characters dreams (Pg 60-62) and her conversations with her parents! (Pg 67/68)
And then the next page it‘s so devastatingly sad! 😩😩😩

@MrsMalaprop
@LapReader
#buddyread

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