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jenniferw88
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Vansa Oh, I absolutely LOVE Northanger Abbey,should be considered as one of the 6.I love her spirited defence of "women's fiction",and Henry Tilney is my favourite Austen hero-sweet,unassuming,and so kind. 20h
sprainedbrain I‘m with you… it‘s definitely complete and a full novel. And it‘s wonderful!! 20h
RaeLovesToRead Definitely with the novels 💕 19h
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MaureenMc Yes, I agree, should be considered one of her 6 novels. 17h
Ruthiella Novel for sure! 16h
DebinHawaii I vote for novel without a doubt! 💜 13h
Andrea313 Northanger absolutely deserves its place among the novels! I've heard the argument before that it lacks depth, and it makes me so mad. Just because it's lighter in tone than Persuasion or Mansfield doesn't mean it's not well-constructed. And I agree with @Vansa about the defense of women's fiction! 12h
ravenlee It‘s definitely different, but it‘s a novel. I haven‘t read any of the juvenilia yet, but I just don‘t see how it couldn‘t be a novel. 11h
inthegreensandblues I also disagreed with Carson's assertion that it "can't carry the burden" of being classed with her other novels. But I did find her argument about the improbability of the Catherine+Tilney pairing intriguing (and the question of whether they'd end up like Mr & Mrs Bennet). 6h
mollyrotondo Definitely a novel and an excellent satire/tribute to the gothic novel. I also felt like this critic was missing the mark. It‘s not all supposed to be taken so seriously. Especially Catherine and Tilney. She was writing a very gothic novel couple so they don‘t have to be like Elizabeth and Darcy or Elinor and Edward. They are perfect for one another according to the “rules” of a gothic novel. It‘s a novel and a very smart one at that. 4h
Vansa Banged out my response in a hurry yesterday,so here's a longer response to this essay.I didn't agree with even one of Carson's assertions in this essay-I'm not sure which “Janeites“ feel let down by NA,which is beloved by many.I can't agree at ALL with Carson's argument in this essay that Catherine and Henry are completely ill-matched.I would argue the opposite-this is one of the few novels where we see a relationship slowly develop(1/n) 4h
Vansa (2/n)and the protagonists have multiple conversations,about mutual interests such as literature,life,other people's foibles.Catherine might be naive,and sheltered,but she's not an idiot-she holds her own perfectly well against the completely obnoxious John Thorpe.Carson seems to confuse kindness with stupidity,and this essay suffers from that basic flaw.FOrtunately,Henry TIlney does not suffer from that,and he clearly recognises her basic decency 4h
Vansa (3/n)and that unlike most typical young women of the time,who were told to keep their opinions to themselves,Catherine stands up for what she believes in.I find this one of her best character sketches,so recognisable to this day-the 'frenemy' Isabella,the rich snob John THorpe,the quite avaricious General Tilney.I also thought she captured that feeling of isolation you get when you feel you're not one of the 'cool kids' really well, 3h
Vansa (4/n)and the absolute thrill you get when someone else likes the same books as you-isn't this why we're all on Litsy?!These are such universal feelings,and I'm not sure there were books till then that showed the power and delights of sorority.Austen sends up her heroine gently,but at no point does she patronise or condescend to her-something Carson does.And a mark of just how modern this book is-Val Mcdermid's 21st century update just tweaks 3h
Vansa (4/n)and the absolute thrill you get when someone else likes the same books as you-isn't this why we're all on Litsy?!These are such universal feelings,and I'm not sure there were books till then that showed the power and delights of sorority.Austen sends up her heroine gently,but at no point does she patronise or condescend to her-something Carson does.And a mark of just how modern this book is-Val Mcdermid's 21st century update just tweaks 3h
Vansa (5/n)the language a bit to modernise it,it's otherwise exactly the same as the original-reflecting how truly universal Austen's writing is.As for the comparison to the Bennett marriage-completely misguided.Mr.Bennett,while he might be witty and sarcastic,isn't a nice person at all-as a father,or as a husband.Henry's affection for Catherine isn't entirely for her looks,it's also for her disposition.He knows she's naive,and also knows she'll mature. 3h
Vansa (n/n)He's a much kinder person than Mr.Bennett,apart from sharing his wit and humour.I think among all the couples, this was my favourite pairing,since we get to see them genuinely interact and fall in love. And that ends my hundreds of comments! 3h
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ravenlee
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#PemberLittens
I happened to read this essay the same day as this chapter of S&S, and Watt has the wrong context for Marianne‘s response. It‘s not the horse reproof, it‘s Elinor telling Marianne she shouldn‘t have gone to Mrs. Smith‘s house with Willoughby with no companion and no proper introduction to Mrs. Smith.

ravenlee Oops - meant to specify it‘s the Ian Watt essay. 3d
mollyrotondo Okay thanks for clarifying this because I knew this reference didn‘t sound right but I wasn‘t positive when Marianne responded to Elinor with this quote. That‘s right when she went to the house with Willoughby. 4h
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Crinoline_Laphroaig
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My lovely Clothbound Classic contains all 3 Volumes of Jane Austen's Juvenilia. I've finished Volume 1. Silly but oh so delightful. 📖📚🫖

Andrea313 This is so gorgeous! I absolutely need this! 😍 4d
Crinoline_Laphroaig @Andrea313 I love these editions. 4d
Nute Everything is working just right in this photograph! Thank you for sharing it. I am inconsistently collecting Penguin Clothbound Editions. They are beautiful books. 4d
Crinoline_Laphroaig @Nute Your Welcome! 😊 4d
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Crinoline_Laphroaig
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#PemberLittens @jenniferw88 I found a wrong statement in the tagged #BuddyRead:
'... it's possible to read everything she wrote: Six completed Novels, three unfinished ones, three volumes of juvenilia...'

It's 7 Completed, 2 Uncompleted (The Watsons & Sanditon). I think writer considered Lady Susan as Uncompleted when it's actually Completed just Not Published.

Anyhow it has me planning a Yearlong Read of everything. 🤓

#ayearofjaneausten

Crinoline_Laphroaig Which I guess is small mistake, it took me a minute of Google to figure out and going to my completed Novels to find it. But these are supposedly learned people writing these essays. 5d
jenniferw88 Well spotted! 5d
suvata Nice catch 4d
ravenlee There‘s also an error in the Watt essay about Elinor reproving Marianne about accepting the horse from Willoughby. Marianne‘s response is to a different reproof - Elinor‘s censure over Marianne accompanying Willoughby to Mrs. Smith‘s house without chaperone or proper acquaintance with the lady. Which I also just posted about! (edited) 3d
Crinoline_Laphroaig @ravenlee I talked about how I didn't like the pretentious of some the Essays in another post with @mollyrotondo. I think #PemberLittens could match wits with some of these 'Scholars'. 3d
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DivineDiana
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My reserve has arrived! #pemberlittens

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rwmg
Jane Austen at Home | Lucy Worsley
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Lucy Worsley takes us through Jane Austen's life through the lens particularly of the houses she lived in.

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Crinoline_Laphroaig
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Monday Morning is my time w/ this #PemberLittens Readalong hosted by @jenniferw88.

Enjoyed Chapter on obtaining Vol 2 of Juvenalia . But the rest of these are just to pretentious for my sake. Feels like 'Let me the Scholar explain things that you the reader are not smart enough to understand.'

Particularly disagreed w/ critiques of Northanger Abbey film & book. NA is satire and when you take it too seriously you miss the point. And the fun.

mollyrotondo I totally agree with you on some of the pretentious writing. As I was reading the NA and S&S essays I thought yeah us Pemberlittens discussed these same thoughts during our chapter a day reads. We know this lol. I do find the essays helpful in painting a clearer picture of the era Jane Austen was writing. I always enjoy a history lesson ☺️ 4d
Crinoline_Laphroaig @mollyrotondo I'm enjoying the history parts the best. 4d
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DebinHawaii
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Managed to get this first section of this read tonight for #Pemberlittens So far I am enjoying it & reading the different perspectives of authors on Jane Austen‘s work. Heading over to answer @jenniferw88 ‘s discussion questions before calling it a night. Weekends are much too short. 😬

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Librarybelle
Austenland: A Novel | Shannon Hale
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I read this forever ago (in my Pre-Litsy days) and spent the afternoon rereading this. Jane has an obsession with Jane Austen, and probably more specifically Pride and Prejudice and Mr Darcy. When she has an opportunity to vacation in a role playing Austenesque estate, of course she jumps at it!

Filled with romance, charm, and of course Austen banter, this is perfect brain candy. Originally published 2007. #19822022

sprainedbrain Such a fun book (and movie)! ❤️ 1w
Librarybelle @sprainedbrain Yes! Love the movie!! 1w
CogsOfEncouragement I loved this one and was able to see the movie with a friend when it first came to theaters. 7d
Librarybelle @CogsOfEncouragement I loved the movie!! After reading this, I really want to watch it again! 7d
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Jane Austen at Home | Lucy Worsley
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#coffeeandabook
Views of the Abbey Gateway, Reading. The upper room was used as a classroom in Jane Austen's schooldays here.