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The writing made characters feel distant. At the same time I have mixed feelings about the writing - I found several amazing phrases and wrote down so many quotes.

This was pretty heavy book, but I think this was meant to be like that.

I didn't find the plot super interesting: part 1 was so different compared with part 2. It was hard to see where the story was going or why. And that made it feel like the story was dragging.

“Maybe that‘s what we‘re all doing here. Alive long enough to get that when we die it‘s home we‘re going back to, and that we came here to know that when we die it isn‘t an end but a return.”

“There is a kind of magic dogs can achieve with their innocence, their saying yes to everything and feeling so home to you so fast, and a power in the way they need you.”

“But with things that trick you, it‘s that you never know you‘re being tricked while you‘re being tricked, that‘s what is tricky.”

“This is the thing. You don't know what will happen to you. Everything is one way, and you think you know what that means, and then one day you come to find out that no: THIS is what life is like anymore.”

“One thing I want you to understand is that your suffering does not make you special. There‘s a voice inside everyone who suffers that says, no one else has it like this, and so much selfish action comes from listening to that voice.”

“There are many stories for what happens after you die. You become light or become the dead light of stars or you swim the river in the sky or you become the soil in the earth. Angels and demons and ghosts. Anything is a story we tell ourselves about a silence. But stories are for telling after the fact. And the one true fact about the afterlife is that nothing comes from there. Everything goes there.”

“Know that it was always true that you were the only one seeing the world the way you were seeing the world.“

“Stories do more than comfort. They take you away and bring you back better made.“

Everyone here drifts, to escape pain seemingly inherited from previous generations. Orvil loses himself in music and drugs, Jacqui with drinking, Opal with long walks, Lony with cutting. The wandering offers a short escape from their traumatic history, but characters like Lony know how important it is to return, to appreciate one‘s fixed place in the constellation of a family tree that holds you and still has plenty of good things to pass along.

I kept putting this one off because I wanted to re-familiarize myself with There There first, but finally I picked it up, and I'm glad I stopped delaying. The interwoven stories, including those in the past and present and about figures both fictional and historical, are gripping and deal poignantly with how various addictions can draw a person in and how the legacy of colonialism continues today. Another #tob25 longlist title.

Okay, the character is in San Francisco, thinking about an earthquake that Enrico Caruso was in, which was in 1906. Was Caruso in another earthquake in 1905, or is this just a typo that the editors didn't catch before publication? Or maybe it's the character's mistake?

Can you tell this kind of thing irritates me? I don't know how to read it if I don't know the origin of the mistake.

A wonderful addition to the There, There world. This is a generational story told from the mid- 1800s through present day with a bit of a jump where There, There fits which I think is creative and a great way to tell the story of the Star family. This is a pretty heavy read, but Orange's gorgeous writing helps to propel you through. I love the language which reminds me of my Mohawk grandma weaving family histories.

I agree with others that maybe this wasn‘t quite as good as There There, but I still loved it. As far as character development and just plain beautiful writing on a tough subject, few can rival Tommy Orange for me.
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I loved There, There and found this to be as beautifully written. It was close to 5 stars for me, but I found reading some perspectives much more compelling than others, and one felt out of place. A powerful read. This was December's #Bookspin @TheAromaofBooks

I have a review to post and one weekend book to finish but I am thinking about the first December books already. Week one of the final countdown!

I am going to tackle 2 of my #10BeforeTheEnd (Ours is a chunkster expecting it to take all month) and 2 from the #ToB both Creation Lake & Wandering Stars are on that list and the NYT best books of 2024.

Very unpopular opinion but I just couldn‘t get into this one.

I‘m reading too many memoirs right now and I‘ve been putting this one off for way too long…

As with Anne Michaels' "Held", I was into the first half but once the narrative reached 2018 it kind of dissipated and/or fragmented whilst feeling increasingly repetitive, not helped by the fact that the various characters are written with the same voice. It's a worthy book dealing with seriously heavy themes and perhaps I'd feel differently had I read "There There" beforehand but, as it is, my reading experience became something of a trudge.

This wasn‘t as captivating as There There, but it was still a really solid follow up and I love the way Tommy Orange says things! He really makes you think and I enjoy his play on words and ability to connect us to history. 3.75/5

Super emotional read with lots of tough subjects including but not limited to genocide, residential schools, loss of parents, addiction, drug abuse, and a mass shooting. I loved the epistolary feel and sometimes-epistolary format and how the book therefore often felt like it was talking directly to me. The writing was lovely and the narration fantastic but this was a bit of a tough book to chill with due to subject matter.

There is a lot to admire in this novel. The first half of the book worked best for me. Once the novel picked up where There There left off, I started to lose interest. Well worth a read, but not on my personal short list. 3 🌟 #bookerlonglist #booker @squirrelbrain @AnneCecilie @charl08 @JamieArc @BarbaraBB @Graywacke @jlhammar @Deblovestoread

This prequel/sequel to There There is a powerful piece of fiction when read as part of that whole story. As a novel itself, this one didn‘t work as well for me. The two parts of this novel didn‘t work equally well for this reader. As a result, although moving, and important, the messaging felt a bit too obvious to me, and accordingly the storytelling was a bit less resonant.

A soft pick - it finished strong but suffered in parts by being to repetitive. #booker

I liked this a lot. Hoping it gets shortlisted.
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Powerful engagement with indigenous histories of the US. As the dedication suggests, also a deep dive into youth addiction. Hoping it gets shortlisted.

One thing I want you to understand is that your suffering does not make you special. There's a voice inside everyone who suffers that says, no one else has it like this, and so much selfish action comes from listening to that voice. You are not alone, you are not special, and there is help. We have one another."

All the Indian children....went on to have ....Indian children....whose Indian children became American Indians, whose American Indian children became Native Americans, whose Native American children would call themselves Natives, or Indigenous, or NDNS, or the names of their sovereign nations, or the names of their tribes, and all too often would be told they weren't the right kind of Indians

Third hold this week came in but I can never bring myself to extend them after waiting so long.

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I had a hard time getting into this book but once I got through the first part it picked up for me. 3.5 🌟

Heavy stuff. Didn‘t quite reach the heights of There There for me (loved that one), but still very good. Only my second from the #Booker2024 longlist (after James).

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As with There, There, this was a tough read although, I think because I knew what to expect in terms of the author‘s style, I found it a little easier to read.

I preferred the first half of the book - the more recent sections (based in the aftermath of the Powwow in There, There) became rather repetitive.

This will be borderline, I think, for my own personal shortlist although I can see why the judges may shortlist it.

I remember being impressed by There, There, but rarely remember it. Still, I wanted to read this one as well. And I'm glad I did, because it's so important to remember what Europeans did to Indigenious people all over the world. That colonization is not over and done, that it still lives on from generation to generation. Therefore, it's so important that we read those books and listen to what their authors have to tell us.

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This follow up to There There is worthy, but does not surpass what Orange has done originally with the characters and vibes of his first novel. I enjoyed the audiobook‘s various narrators which emphasized various Native American experiences, both past and present. Themes of heritage, addiction, and familial connection across generations.

I loved his 1st novel, There There (2018) This 2nd novel is more of the same, but this time it‘s not new. And he never changes style. Several characters all written in the same style. Oye. It works for one character, Orvil. For the rest, well, so so or worse for me.

I liked the first half better than the second because I was more interested in the characters &their story. I wish the author had focused on either the present or past &explored those stories in more depth. Addiction,as much as it is a real issue,was too repetitive. I ended up not being as emotionally engaged as I could have been.Overall though, this is a great book, a writer whose voice I love to hear& I‘m looking forward to what he writes next.

“Lony feels worse because he doesn‘t even care about being Native or Indian and would rather just have a normal life and not have to always feel so heavy, have to carry more than it feels like he should have to carry.”

And heavy it is, this prequel/sequel to There There. Tommy Orange dedicates his second book to ‘everyone surviving and not surviving this thing called and not called addiction‘. ⬇️⬇️ #camptob

I haven‘t tried this local (and significant) book club before. It‘s free to join online. I started the book last night.

(For the curious: https://inprinthouston.org/event/inprint-book-club-discusses-wandering-stars/ )

I really enjoy Orange‘s writing style and storytelling. This prequel/sequel ties in Orville‘s family lineage dating back to the late 1800‘s as we learn about each generation‘s story. We are then brought into the more present time as we learn about Orville and his family after the powwow. So much to think about after closing this book. ❤️

#SundaySentence by Clarice Lispector, quoted in Tommy Orange‘s Wandering Stars

It‘s 1864 in Colorado and so begins this story about one Native American family, generation after generation. We live through massacres and shootings and drug addiction and alcoholism and cancer, never really knowing how it‘s going to turn out in the end. It‘s about one family‘s quest to understand their history and come to terms with it. A thoroughly engaging book about a slice of life with which you may not be familiar.

There were children, and then there were the children of Indians, because the merciless savage inhabitants of these American lands did not make children but nits, and nits make lice, or so it was said by the man who meant to make a massacre feel like killing bugs at Sand Creek.

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A fabulous biblioadventure

Mystery guest

Johnny I Hardly Knew You by Edna O'Brien

Wandering Stars by Tommy Orange

Marzahn, mon amour by Katja Oskamp, Jo Heinrich (Translator)

Making Up the Gods by Marion Agnew

Young Bloomsbury: The Generation That Redefined Love, Freedom, and Self-Expression in 1920s England by Nino Strachey

In Tongues by Thomas Grattan

This is a story of a survivor of the Sand Creek Massacre and continues on with his descendants. It is about finding oneself, it is about healing. I loved it. “You are from a people who survived by making their surviving mean more than surviving, who did their best to stay together”. Tommy Orange.

Reading these books back to back is breaking my heart 💔 They are complimentary- his 2nd book, Wandering Stars, is a prequel & sequel to his 1st book- There, There. Tommy Orange is coming to Wichita to the Mid- America Indian Center in a couple of weeks. I‘m looking forward to this author event.

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Orange has an unique style of writing that makes the plot and characters unique and intriguing. This has different eras that we visit, with flawed characters who share their perspectives in their storytelling. Good with a little variety in the stories.