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The Princes in the Tower
The Princes in the Tower | Alison Weir
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"Comprehensive and insightful, THE PRINCES IN THE TOWER offers a unique perspective on a profound mystery." Faye Kellerman Despite five centuries of investigation by historians, the sinister deaths of the boy king Edward V and his younger brother Richard, Duke of York, remain one of the most fascinating murder mysteries in English history. Did Richard III really kill the young princes, as is commonly believed, or was the murderer someone else entirely? Carefully examining every shred of contemporary evidence as well as the dozens of modern accounts, Weir reconstructs the entire chain of events leading to the double murder to arrive at a conclusion Sherlock Holmes himself could not dispute. From the Hardcover edition.
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CrystalE02
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I enjoyed reading this book. I find this time period interesting. This is the second book book completed for #JoyousJanuary readathon hosted by @Andrew65. I rated this book a 4 out of 5 stars.

Andrew65 Excellent 👏👏👏 4mo
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Sophronisba
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However these boys died, it happened almost 540 years ago, and even if they'd lived they and their children and their children's children would be long-dead by now, but that didn't stop me from snarling “YOU MONSTER“ at Richard III this morning.

EvieBee That‘s a really sad part of history. It‘s disturbing. 2y
Sophronisba @EvieBee It is just so sad. (edited) 2y
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GingerAntics
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I just couldn‘t bring myself to finish this book. This isn‘t even real history. She‘s clearly confused fact and fiction. She didn‘t do her research on this. She‘s claiming things written half a century after Richard‘s death are contemporary to Richard killing his nephews. She can‘t seem to commit to his nephews being alive or dead at any one time.
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GingerAntics If she truly believes this is irrefutable evidence of Richard‘s guilt, I really hope she never sits on a jury in her life. #AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower #historicalfiction 3y
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GingerAntics
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There is literally no more evidence for her own theories than this one. This entire book is conjecture, and it‘s getting tiring.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower #exhausting

TrishB 😁😁 3y
GingerAntics @TrishB I‘m not sure I can even call this scholarship. She‘s taken the sparse evidence that exists and claims it proves her theory, but it doesn‘t prove anyone‘s theory because it‘s like 50 pieces of a 500 piece puzzle. You can‘t even tell what it‘s a puzzle of. 3y
TrishB There‘s a very blurred line between her fiction and non fiction and so people just accept it all as fact 🤷‍♀️ 3y
GingerAntics @TrishB that is the perfect way to put it…that‘s what drives me absolutely NUTS about historical fiction and even fiction based in historical periods. People seem to forget that it‘s FICTION!!! 3y
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GingerAntics
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He speaks with authority, so it‘s reasonable to say he‘s trustworthy. WHAT?! That is not how it works. He was a man of caution, so we can trust him. REALLY? We could describe Henry VI was “cautious” but I wouldn‘t trust him with my pet rock. Does this woman know how logic works? She was a history teacher? I‘m terrified of what she taught her students.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower #FaultyLogic #WhatIsHappeningHere

Sophronisba I am almost a year late to this party -- and I think I actually liked The Princes in the Tower more than you did -- but this kind of logic is legion in Weir's books. In Mistress of the Monarchy her entire argument that John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford didn't commit adultery when her husband was alive is that John of Gaunt _told_ the Pope that they didn't, and he wouldn't have lied to the Pope. 2y
GingerAntics @Sophronisba 🤣😂🤣 wow really? Britney Spears told the pope she was a virgin, and I didn‘t believe that either. I‘ve heard this about her work, that she doesn‘t use the best sources or logic. I think I removed any more of her books from my TBR after I finished this one. She‘s not really helping the case of female historians. It drives me nuts. She‘s literally costing other women jobs. 2y
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GingerAntics
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Can I get some proof of this? I mean logical proof. I don‘t think Alison Weir has ever been catholic. Being alive is a reason for guilt, along with eating too much, wanting to have sex with your spouse, thinking you look good in a particular color… I could go on. There is literally NO PROOF for any of this.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower #ShadyAcademia #clueless

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GingerAntics
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Why would it be plausible that he would write down his orders to kill his nephews? That makes exactly ZERO sense. This book is getting less and less plausible.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower #wtf

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GingerAntics
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So pretty much everyone (but the Wydvilles of course) saw that it was better for EdV to be with Richard (and also his brother Richard)…but Uncle Richard is the bad guy? To the Wydvilles, obviously. This might be one of the greatest smear campaigns in history.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

GingerAntics If I were any member of this family on the royal side, I wouldn‘t want EdV or the Duke of York anywhere near their half brothers or anyone else on the Wydville side either. 3y
GingerAntics You best believe Queen Elizabeth with take George, Charlotte, and Louise if for some reason the Middletons started acting all crazy like this. 3y
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GingerAntics
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I get that you‘d go through the motions at this stage if you had ideas of promotion and wait to kill your nephew when there were fewer witnesses, but I‘m supposed to believe that NO ONE picked up on anything? The whole bloody country was full of idiots? The only people who say Richard had plans are the bloody Wydvilles (and now my phone knows how to spell that… great).
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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GingerAntics
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The Wydvilles are the real villains here. How are you not going to tell somebody their brother died? Oh yeah, because you‘re being shady. There is record that EdIV wanted Richard to oversee/advise EdV until he was older. Sadly, the documents no longer remain, but mention of them does. I‘m seeing a lot of shady behaviour here, but none of it is Richard‘s.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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GingerAntics
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So no one, at the time, found anything odd about Richard‘s behaviour. So much of this story is total propaganda being passed off as history.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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GingerAntics
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It‘s coming across to me that the real power hungry persons in this situation are the Wydvilles, not Richard. Richard is the royal. His family (immediate and extended) are the ones with the real power. It doesn‘t seem to me that Richard would have had to take Edward and Richard from their mother had the Wydvilles not being power grabbing.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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GingerAntics
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For someone who is allegedly anti-Richard, she sure is defending him, at least at the moment.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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GingerAntics
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This is a good, concise, piece of info that certainly helps in understanding R3 as a character. It doesn‘t excuse his behaviour, but it does explain it (at least partly).
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower #Shakespeare #RichardIII #shakespearereadalong

TrishB Weir is also very anti Richard too though 😁 3y
GingerAntics @TrishB most people were in his own day, too, though. We have to be careful not to buy into the revisionist idea that Richard was this misunderstood character and was really a good guy. He was a bit of a tyrant. The above statement, in and of itself, is historically accurate. A similar statement can actually be made about Richard II, but that is quickly rejected. 3y
TrishB They were all tyrants generally (medieval kings). Killed friends, family and enemies if it kept them on the throne. Richard III is no worse and better than most of the others. 3y
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GingerAntics @TrishB as a general rule, yes. I agree that he was much like his contemporaries, but he stands out because of what he did to his nephews. 3y
GingerAntics @TrishB he also wasn‘t particularly liked by his people, where as other kings were. 3y
GingerAntics @TrishB I rescind my previous statement. All evidence says Richard was actually very well liked when he was alive. You really got me thinking and exploring. I have a much different view of Richard now. 3y
TrishB Thanks for tagging me- I‘m really glad you‘ve had a chance to read around. It‘s a massively interesting period of history. I‘m a big RIII nerd, so have been watching your posts with interest and trying not to interject my personal opinions. 3y
GingerAntics @TrishB he‘s definitely gotten a raw deal from history. I doubt he killed his nephews himself, but he probably knew about it or ordered it be done. That‘s still not really out of place in this period, though. With the information from France, murder isn‘t really “justified” (but in that period it was necessary), but it certainly justifies Richard taking the thrown. 3y
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GingerAntics
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GingerAntics
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#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower
This is certainly an interesting take on the Wars of the Roses.

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GingerAntics
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Love how this book and R3 just collided… right off the bat. If you‘ve already read Act II, this specifically gets mentioned.
#Shakespeare #RichardIII #shakespearereadalong #AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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GingerAntics
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I decided this was a good time to read this as they play a role in Richard III.
#AlisonWeir #ThePrincesInTheTower

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Lauraandherbooks
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I think if you‘re looking for a lot of historic references this is great; I do like facts but I‘m missing a bit of dramatic flair that you get with philippa gregory .. this is still a great book tho especially if that‘s what you‘re looking for

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Lauraandherbooks
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Snug as a bug reading this!!! The weather outside is freezing so great opportunity to catch up on my book!! Hope all is staying warm today!!

Momma_Jo I really want to read this!!! 3y
Lauraandherbooks @Momma_Jo it doesn‘t read like a novel - a bit different kind of read but it‘s ok so far 3y
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Lauraandherbooks
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I received 2 new books yesterday, I am waiting The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn which is to be delivered today and can‘t decide which to start with... of course the one of Marie Antoinette will have to wait... I‘m enjoying my Tudor obsession 😁

Crazeedi Yes on the Tudor obsession 😉 3y
Lauraandherbooks @Crazeedi I also ordered the wars of the roses and thought it was appropriate to go with the beginning & ending of what started it all & ended it all but I will read the princess first .. I don‘t know when I will finally get my fill of the tudors 😆 3y
Crazeedi @Lauraandherbooks I have read various authors on the Tudors, fascinating time 3y
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wideeyedreader
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Last book of 2020! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ #merryreaders #wintergames2020

Lauraandherbooks How was it? 3y
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iread2much
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This was a dense read. I think it‘s from an era when historians picked at each other for fun and reviews and that was interesting, but a lot of that could have been cut out. I learned a lot about this time period and I really enjoyed learning about how the war of the roses finally came to an end through the murder of the these two boys

TrishB Well definitely the murder, but there are many different interpretations of how it happened. Weir‘s is just one. 4y
Leftcoastzen Such a beautiful dog! 4y
iread2much @Leftcoastzen thank you 😊 4y
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StellaDz
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I‘m so glad that I finally broke into my Weir shelves! I actually really enjoyed this book; it was heavy but didn‘t feel like a textbook. Weir has a way of writing history, that draws you in and keeps you interested. Whether you agree with her final determination or not (I tend to agree); it was a stellar book for such a tragic mystery.

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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StellaDz
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Sometimes old portraits are pretty stellar, but I think this is the greatest ‘resting b***ch face‘ that I have ever seen 😳 #currentlyreading

britt_brooke 😆 6y
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StellaDz
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Whoa, this took me a long time to get here, but it was great ride! Thanks so much to #Litsy and all you #Littens!! This is an amazing community! ❤️❤️ #muchlove

CoverToCoverGirl Hurray! 🎉🎉 6y
Ddzmini Congratulations 🎉🎈🎊 6y
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StellaDz
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It‘s a Pride and Prejudice cross-over!! ❤️❤️❤️ I ‘squeeeed‘ a little when I saw this! 😂😂 #currentlyreading

Linsy Love it! 😆 6y
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StellaDz
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I did a lot of work tonight, so it‘s time to relax. Popcorn, wine and a good book. Perfect evening. #currentlyreading

Mommamanzi Popcorn for the win! 6y
StellaDz @Mommamanzi, I went for chips but then saw the popcorn 😍🍿 6y
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daniwithtea
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I don‘t know that he definitely killed them, but I know this author thinks so. (True crime for #readharder, 8/100 for the year.)

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daniwithtea
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My husband is working on some research related to this period, and I stole this out of his pile for a lazy Tudor true-crime read on a holiday afternoon. As you do. My true crime pick for #readharder

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akc2ngel
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Those poor boys.

Melissa_J If you‘re interested in reading a fictional account, but one that‘s based on contemporary sources, I highly recommend 7y
akc2ngel Thank you @Melissa_J. I am adding this one to my stack also. 7y
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MamaGina
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Okay, Ms Weir, I'm ready to be entertained, informed & convinced!🤓

BethFishReads I usually really like her books 7y
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MamaGina
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Currently reading ...

Rachbb3 This sounds really good. I'm looking forward to your review. 7y
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StellaDz
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My #history shelf is a mixture of #usedbooks and new, for today's #augustphotochallenge #augustofpages! Mostly Alison Weir's War of the Roses and Tudors series, I'm slowly building it up before I apparently read any of it! This is all part of my #TBR pile! #shelfie
@TheSpinecrackersBookClub

Alisnazzy Alison Weir FTW!!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 8y
StellaDz I'm really hoping I like her when I get around to reading these, but I've heard that she is the one to go to when it comes to Tudor England 👍 8y
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StellaDz
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I'm so excited to add this version of The Princes in the Tower to my Alison Weir collection. Such an amazingly gorgeous cover. A wicked find at Attic Books in London, ON.

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