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Invisible Women
Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men | Caroline Criado Perez
'Invisible Women takes on the neglected topic of what we don't know - and why. The result is a powerful, important and eye-opening analysis of the gender politics of knowledge and ignorance. With examples from technology to natural disasters, this is an original and timely reminder of why we need women in the leadership of the institutions that shape every aspect of our lives.' Cordelia Fine You've heard all about the Gender Pay Gap... Welcome to the Gender Data Gap Our world is largely built for and by men, in a system that can ignore half the population. This book will tell you how and why this matters In her new book, Invisible Women, award-winning campaigner and writer Caroline Criado Perez shows us how, in a world largely built for and by men, we are systematically ignoring half the population. She exposes the gender data gap a gap in our knowledge that is at the root of perpetual, systemic discrimination against women, and that has created a pervasive but invisible bias with a profound effect on womens lives. Caroline brings together for the first time an impressive range of case studies, stories and new research from across the world that illustrate the hidden ways in which women are excluded from the very building blocks of the world we live in, and the impact this has on their health and wellbeing. From government policy and medical research, to technology, workplaces, urban planning and the media Invisible Women exposes the biased data that excludes women. In making the case for change, this powerful and provocative book will make you see the world anew.
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I'm not so sure I'll be able to finish my #DoubleSpin this month. This book is DENSE! I'm three chapters in and the amount of information is overwhelming. (In addition to frustrating and infuriating.)

Itchyfeetreader I actually threw my kindle when I got to the medical chapter ! I think this is one worth doing a chapter at a time and taking time to reflect on 4d
bookandbedandtea @Itchyfeetreader I agree with that. I've already decided I'm going to have to slow down to manage my blood pressure while I read this. 😠 4d
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SilverShanica
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I am posting one book per day from my to-be-read collection. No description and providing no reason for wanting to read it, I just do. Some will be old, some will be new - don‘t judge me I have a lot of books.
Join the fun if you want. This is day 359.
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AnneCecilie This one is so great. One of my favorite reads 2w
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squirrelbrain
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Nothing to do today at Gladstone‘s Library but read….. and eat…. And maybe a nap!

#readingretreat

AnneCecilie That sounds lovely 😊 2mo
Chrissyreadit Looks perfect. 2mo
Caroline2 Nice!!! 😊 2mo
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rockpools I have to ask. How‘s the food? 2mo
squirrelbrain It‘s definitely better @rockpools ! Dinner last night was good ; we‘re going to the pub tonight. Nice soup for lunch too and the cakes are yummy (and enormous!) 2mo
rockpools @squirrelbrain Oh good! Have a fab time 😊 2mo
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Smrloomis
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Overall this was a very eye-opening and infuriating listen. Packed full of examples of how women are not considered the norm and how this negatively impacts us (and everyone really). Very good read. Highly recommend it.

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#kindledailydeal
Some well loved ones today for those who haven‘t yet read them.

squirrelbrain 👍😁 3mo
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JenniferP
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A maddening look at how women‘s issues and bodies have been ignored, abused, and unplanned for in societies around the world. Hard to read, but so important to shine a light on.

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this book is a must-read! I wasn‘t aware of woman‘s (and children‘s) problems of using the bathroom in third world countries can be fatal. And did you know that automobile ratings are completely wrong? This book is full of information that will make your jaw drop. Some were known to me, most were not. Very informative! I highly recommend this book!

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JoeMo
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This was a great audiobook! I loved that the author read her own work. The book outlines how women are often ignored and left out when policy changes are made by governments and companies and in medical trials. This book will leave you dumbfounded in regards to how much women are overlooked in many realms of life. I respected how calm the author‘s writing remained as she could have easily engaged in some deserved male bashing!
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TheAromaofBooks Great progress!!! 4mo
Michellesibs This book blew my mind! So good. 4mo
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Gilda says what the cluck? This book is infuriating! While the writing and lists of statistics could have been better. It is an important read! Better late than never for #SheSaid

Leftcoastzen So cool!🐓 5mo
SamAnne @Leftcoastzen she jumps up into my lap when I read on the deck. It‘s not affection really, just hope that I may have a treat. Which I usually do… 5mo
GondorGirl Gilda is absolutely perfect! 🥰 5mo
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Reggie I like that Gilda‘s actual look into the camera matches her what the cluck statement. Lol. Awesome post. 5mo
Cathythoughts Good heavens ! Good morning Gilda 😁 5mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Great photo! I love Gilda! 4mo
SamAnne @Riveted_Reader_Melissa she certainly makes sure SHE isn't invisible whenever I read on my deck. 😁 😁 😁 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @SamAnne And she has the right idea! Don‘t accept invisibility, make yourself clucking seen. 😉 4mo
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Martta
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I learned so much! And I fear the world sooooo much more after reading this. The health care parts in this book can cause sleepless nights on its own. I feel like I need to listen to this again after a year or so when I have processed the first round... 🤦‍♀️ It felt like this book contained so much important info that it takes at least 3-4 listening rounds to comprehend and remember everything.

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This is a fantastic, data driven, and absolutely infuriating look at gender bias. Made my blood boil for all the very obvious ways women are disregarded on a day to day basis in all things- from healthcare to seatbelts, and iPhones to education, men are considered the default. Sometimes for no other reason that no one has bothered to collect the data on women. So many problems could be solved if we just listened to women.

Hooked_on_books This was so well done. And I agree—infuriating! 😤 5mo
she.epeolatry I found this to be an infuriating yet informative read as well. 5mo
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Martta
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This book makes me very nervous. How is it possible that for example medical people HADN'T NOTICED that female and male bodies are different. It feels like I'm losing my faith in the world bit by bit after every listened minute... 🤦‍♀️

Cazxxx It‘s definitely a hard read. It made me furious the further in I got, the fact that everything is designed around men is just awful 5mo
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This is a tiny side tangent quote from a book I read with #SheSaid last month….. but this quote is just repeating in the back of my brain as I watch the news this week.

I also keep thinking of one of our first #SheSaid books by Malala Yousafzai Tough week #SheSaid and tough for all the women and girls left behind. 😢

ChaoticMissAdventures I have been thinking about this also as we watch pictures of women being painted over throughout Kabul. It is devastating. 5mo
MallenNC The news from Afghanistan is very worrying and scary. I don‘t have the words to be more eloquent about it. 5mo
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AnneCecilie
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I first listened to this book last year and knew then I would have to own my own copy and read it again. I‘m so glad #SheSaid had this book as a buddy read so I got to this sooner rather than later.

What I love about this book is that it cover a range field of areas where women is discriminated against and research from a lot of countries. This makes it harder to dismiss the reality.

A must read for everyone

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Great review! I love how you phrased that, that was it exactly! 6mo
AnneCecilie This was also my #DoubleSpin for July @TheAromaofBooks 6mo
TheAromaofBooks Great progress!! 6mo
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MallenNC
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This was my #BookSpin #DoubleSpin and our #SheReads book for August. It was a reread for me, and I was so glad to be able to discuss it with other readers, which I wanted to do the first time. Criado-Perez provides a global picture of the ways in which women are left out of research, politics, and policy decisions — everything from medical research and car safety to governmental representation and rebuilding after natural disasters.

ChasingOm Well, I stacked that faster than maybe anything I‘ve stacked before. 😅 6mo
MallenNC @ChasingOm When you read it let me know what you think! 6mo
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I don‘t normally read books about statistics; they bore me. This book is anything but boring. It‘s well-written, readable, and anger-inducing. I knew statistics could be skewed, but it never occurred to me that women were deliberately being left out of studies. In medical studies, we‘re often left out because our hormones are too “messy” and might skew the data. You‘d think hormone differences would be essential to know in medicine. 😡 #SheSaid

Riveted_Reader_Melissa It was such a good read, and yes, she put the story behind the statistics and made them so relatable! 6mo
KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘ve already recommended this book to several people. 6mo
SamAnne I‘m only about halfway through but am glad to have joined this readalong. So mind-opening. 6mo
KathyWheeler @SamAnne it really is mind-opening and infuriating. 6mo
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Another book finished and this one had a powerful ending… I couldn‘t help but think about the current fight in the US about what‘s really “infrastructure” it felt like she was writing that part specifically for this moment. As a whole I felt like I got a lot out of this book, I hope all of you did too. ⤵️

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know, I for one won‘t look at studies and statistics quite the same way again…I already knew they could be twisted to give a slanted view, but this will make me look even deeper at study pools etc. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @bibliobliss I‘ll just add you here, because for some reason it wouldn‘t let me tag you above 🤷‍♀️ 6mo
MallenNC This was a reread for me, so I had a little less shock at some of the content this time around. I still learned a lot and like you, will wonder about research studies from now on. I think the main point for me in this book is how important representation is and why it is important for everyone to go beyond the “default male” when making policy or other decisions. 6mo
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staci.reads I think what shocked me the most is simply how unusual it is for studies to collect gender-specific data or disagragate for gender. It seems so obvious that it should be happening that I'm flabbergasted it doesn't. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC I know I also thought…if it‘s this hard to get women considered (which is half the population and literally everyone knows one), what are the blind spots for minority groups (anyone less than half the population)….whether race, ethnicity, indigenous peoples, disability, etc. if it‘s this bad for women, those numbers must be pitiful. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Right! You‘re collecting the data anyway, why wouldn‘t you code it…and just see if there was a difference along those lines. So bizarre, like they purposefully don‘t want to know. 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That‘s what I kept thinking about too. Really eye opening. 6mo
staci.reads I really appreciated in Chapter 14 how she broke down the numbers for the types of bills and issues women are more likely to put forward when they are in positions of power. It frames well the discussion for the needs to have equal representation. "As little as a single percentage point tise in female legislators was found to increase the ratio of educational expenditure" (266). That's so significant! 6mo
staci.reads I also appreciated her discussing Hilary's struggles during the campaign because they have become such a road map for future female candidates. That election will end up being one of the most studied and analyzed elections in history. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Yes…why we should push for equal representation, and not just for women, but for everyone. Have a percentage of the vote on policies be representative of the population over all‘s needs is so important. Again, I thought about that current fight over infrastructure bills. One everyone agrees on, hard infrastructure like roads and bridges, but it had to be separated from soft infrastructure like child care and elder care that there⤵️ 6mo
staci.reads And of course the discussion of assertiveness and ambition in men vs. women is always infuriating, but essential to keep acknowledging and educating about. I once had a boss criticize me for having "aggressive body language." Still not quite sure what that means. I had another boss tell me that when I feel strongly about something, I can come on kind of strong. It was not a compliment. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ isn‘t majority agreement on. This book made me really see why both are equally important, the different is they just expect women to pick up the slack on the second and not have to invest money in it…that free unpaid women‘s work labor force. 6mo
staci.reads I was also really intrigued by the methods some places are using methods to increase proportional representation...especially the zipper method. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads I agree. I‘ve read a few books looking at it know, and I‘m sure it will be more analyzed as people let go of the quick and easy knee jerk reaction that she somehow flubbed it…. she didn‘t. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Yes, some of those were very interesting. 6mo
staci.reads @Riveted_Reader_Melissa for sure! Her discussion of infrastructure was fascinating for me as well - all the way back to the beginning of the book when she was talking about snow removal and public housing. When women aren't at the table, there are huge gaps in planning for a better present and a better future. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Yes…if a woman stands up for herself at all, she‘s the problem. Even if it‘s just rebuffing catcalling, she‘s the problem. I was told that once in HS. And was flabbergasted, I had asked to have a party for a departing teacher in a certain period (I think it was study hall)….I asked permission (from the male teacher) and let them know I already had permission from the other teacher involved. Basically just providing info.⤵️ (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ I mean you have to ask someone first and someone second. But apparently I was twisting his arm by telling him that I‘d cleared it with the other teacher first… so he felt I wasn‘t giving him a choice apparently…I ended up talking to the Principal. To this day, I still don‘t understand it… you ask permission from everyone involved in the order I saw them that day. But, whatever 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads It‘s amazing how basic questions and organizing from a woman can be so intimidating. 6mo
vlwelser @staci.reads I loved the zipper method. It seems like a reasonable method. 6mo
vlwelser How about the guy that thought it wasn't fair about including women and then got in trouble for sending a dead bird to another MP's wife? Clearly he was meant to be there more than a woman. 🤦🏻 6mo
vlwelser I liked this book but I was left feeling unfulfilled because it was too broad. But I definitely liked this last few sections this week the best. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Right! What a winner of a human being! 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser It did cover a lot, and yes… someone could write a book on each part probably doing a deeper dive. This one was a good overview though, showing how pervasive the problem is throughout all parts of our lives. I‘m still struck by the housing with no kitchens thing…they assume after a flood everyone would be ordering out 24/7, so bizarre (everyone needs to eat.) 6mo
vlwelser Agreed. How do you build a house with no kitchen? It's like forgetting to put in a bathroom. Except I suppose men might so those as important. 6mo
vlwelser *see 6mo
tenar I‘m echoing everyone‘s thoughts; this really left me with a lot to mull over about study design from top to bottom, from taking data on ‘head of household‘ to what, exactly, is infrastructure to the chromosomes of cells in lab studies! I‘m glad to say I believe it‘s also equipped me to make a harder, more data-driven case for why genuine, diverse representation is important. And, like Melissa said, 6mo
tenar that case-making goes for minority groups as well, and I do wish gender and sexual minorities were at least briefly addressed, particularly in highly relevant topics like targeted violence, homelessness, and restrooms. I had a reverse preference on this book, though, where I felt the first half was very strong and the breadth-over-depth aspect started to become apparent toward the end. And still shaking my head about the kitchens. 6mo
AnneCecilie This was I reread for me, I listened to it last year, so I remembered a lot of the statistics and wasn‘t as shocked this time. What really struck me is how comprehensive the exclusion of women are in everything and how women are dying from it. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AnneCecilie Yes…for me that worked really well. The breadth of the book & problem made it clear it wasn‘t just one area, and made it harder to just brush off as a fluke. 6mo
Singout Yes, I didn‘t reread it because the number of stats is more than I could absorb in an audio (and the reader‘s voice isn‘t the best), but I was glad I read it the first time! So much I had never thought of, and, like others have said, so extensive and unnecessary. 6mo
AnneCecilie I also like how she uses statistics and research (or lack there of) from all over the world and not just the US or UK. That also brings home the point that this is everywhere and not just a problem a few places. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AnneCecilie Yes! I think that helped bring it home for me too, it‘s not just a problem here, it‘s literally everywhere! It‘s pervasive in everything humans touch basically. 6mo
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Another fantastic, thought-provoking book that I probably wouldn't have picked up if not for the #shesaid reading challenge. The author covered a wide array of areas where the female data gap has far-reaching and long-lasting effects. Excellent book! @Riveted_Reader_Melissa

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree, this group is picking some great books that I probably never would have gotten to without them. 6mo
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in a 2004 Guardian article comedian Sandi Toksvig wrote about how when she was studying anthropology at university one of her female professors held up a photograph of an antler bone with twenty-eight markings on it. ‘This,‘ she said, ‘is alleged to be man‘s first attempt at a calendar.‘ We all looked at the bone in admiration. ‘Tell me,‘ she continued, ‘what man needs to know when 28 days have passed? I suspect that this is woman‘s first attempt

AnneCecilie at a calendar.‘ 6mo
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Tamra 😆 6mo
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Serene cat looks super depressed by the statistics in this book, and I don't blame her.
While I study feminism it is still disheartening to see such a collection of how the world is underserving and devaluing women.
I do wish that non-binary and Trans people had been mentioned. We know that violence against the Trans community far outstrips any other community so that is a huge data gap missed here.

tenar I have the same thoughts about this one! 6mo
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This book was so good! It examined the way lack of research and data effect women in the world. Everything from dying more in hospitals, being affected worse by pandemics and natural disasters, roles in governments, to seemingly small things like how kitchens are designed and how snow is plowed. If nothing, it highlights how sexism really is at the root of so many issues. Highly recommend!

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This was definitely an interesting read. It gives a brief overview of many ways in which women aren't really considered at all, which is absurd since they are about half the population. The last chapters were especially interesting.

#SheSaid with @Riveted_Reader_Melissa
Final discussion on Sunday. Until then 🤐

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa Right, it‘s hard to review without giving away too much. Except to tell people to read it. 6mo
TheAromaofBooks Great progress!! 6mo
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Oh this was a hard part to read! Dealing with a chronic illness my whole life and seeing the gaslighting by doctors being so common, was tough to read, even though I can‘t say it‘s wrong…I wish I could. #SheSaid

tenar Yes, same Melissa! This section was difficult for me and why I put off this book, ‘cause I‘ve lived this bit of it. As a female-presenting teen, I was misdiagnosed by a top US hospital with an eating disorder when I really had a cardio/neurological condition. Even though it‘s sooo easy to test for if you think to do it, it took me years to get a correct diagnosis (by a female GP). Though people with my condition are approximately 90% female, 6mo
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tenar male patients experience a shorter time to correct diagnosis. I‘ve been waiting for an explanation for that other than sexism. 🙃 Y‘all won‘t be surprised to hear my female-predominant condition is most often misdiagnosed as anxiety and mistreated with antidepressants, but I digress.

I wanted to share: changes to body armor in US!
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/19/1017774038/female-soldiers-are-excited-about-new-...
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AnneCecilie I totally agree with you. It‘s hard to read about the misdiagnosis of women and that hardly any medication is tested on women. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sorry for the spotting tagging, I think I got everyone now. For some reason it would let me tag a few at a time, but not a large group.🤷‍♀️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Yep! Similar… I was a baby, but of course it was my young parents, especially my young teen mother who must be caring for me wrong…neglect basically, officially “failure to thrive”. (edited) 6mo
MallenNC The medical chapter was the hardest for me to read (along with the part about seatbelt and car safety in the previous section). It‘s very angering that women patients are ignored, and of course the parts about women being left out of drug testing are frightening. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Yes, very scary. I felt the same way. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Scary, and you know really angering…the seatbelt issue was more plain neglect, it didn‘t occur to them that size makes a difference (stupid, but not purposefully harmful), but for medicine they know…girls hormones are too complicated to test on and mess up our results, which means they know it effects results, but instead of doing anything…just don‘t test on them. It‘s the willful disregarding of different results that I found maddening 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Those are my thoughts on the drug research too. And how many potentially beneficial drugs have been missed because they work best on women? 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa And the Viagra thing blew my mind, I‘d heard it before, but as rumor…that a medicine alleviates PMS symptoms, but there‘s no market, but it also helps with ED, we can make money there! 🤯 crazy to me, pain for women (eh), sex for men (yea, that‘s the ticket)! 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC And the bedside doctor stuff, ignoring pain and instead deciding it‘s mental…that struck me as more outright gaslighting (not to mention violating their oath of do no harm), then just plain dumb neglect. It was a hard chapter for sure! 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes that part about viagra is so maddening. And I agree about doctors “knowing best”. So many people have to fight to be believed and understood when they know their bodies best. 6mo
vlwelser I actually read an entire book on this topic. It's amazing that men either don't believe in female problems or just don't care. Like at all. But they aren't trained properly to treat over half the population and that seems a bit insane. Here is the other book (ironically written by a man) 6mo
staci.reads I'm freaking out right now because I'm reading how medication to lower blood pressure can increase risk of cardio-related deaths. My mom just had to go to the ER because her heart rate was 188 and blood pressure was sky high. This was right after starting a blood pressure medication for the first time. TWO doctors have told her it couldn't have anything to do with the medication because this one has "no side effects" and to stay on it ? 6mo
staci.reads I'm finally getting caught up on the reading and almost done with this section. It's maddening! 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Ah, that is just so tough. I think being a teenage girl in a (male) doctor‘s office is one of the most vulnerable places you can be. And, y‘know, even my (at the time middle-aged) mom got blamed a few times for my condition before it was accurately diagnosed. I‘m sure it‘s been hard, but I‘m glad you‘re here now.

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tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa but I was so personally intrigued by the drug testing and standards for generics, especially. I have had some trouble with generics compared to name brands, and I was wondering if that laxity of testing has anything to do with it. Its sometimes hard to justify a higher price when you‘ve just got a feeling a generic‘s causing problems, but assurance it ‘should be fine‘. It‘s definitely got me thinking! 6mo
tenar @staci.reads That is so stressful!! Don‘t be afraid to keep asking questions - whether it‘s the medication or something else, y‘all deserve good answers. I wish your mom the absolute best. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Even though it‘s written by a man, I‘m stacking that one! 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads I‘m so sorry! I hope they get it straightened out! The best I can advise is be a strong advocate for her and keep pushing. No matter what a prescription is meant to do there can always be adverse reactions for individuals. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I do take medicine, and I‘ve had to have my doctor jump through hoops to get some covered by insurance…and/or to get the name brand approved. They may need to fill out a prior authorization, and mine has to do that and submit it every year. Because the one formula of the medicine I take is more expensive, but it‘s the one that works. One generic just fell apart, and it was one I had to take throughout the day, and it would be half ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ powdered in my pull case before I needed to take it. That one I needed the original formula. The other I take for an off brand diagnosis, it works great, but it‘s not what it‘s made for, so that one takes some fights to get too. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa *pill case 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Luckily my doctor at least is up on the medicines for my condition, but it‘s a fight with the insurance companies. I really wish we‘d get National Healthcare, because the bureaucrats in insurance just follow their formularies for what‘s covered and don‘t understand anything about the diagnosis or conditions themselves. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I should add, this also works in reverse too. Pharmaceutical companies will “reformulate” with minor changes to get new patents and charge more. 1 cream my GYN proscribed was not covered by insurance ($100) told my doctor I couldn‘t afford that, turns out the prescription under patent that she prescribed was 2 older medicines just mixed together. She wrote me a prescription for each separately and suddenly it was covered and free ($0).⤵️ (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ only difference is I mixed the 2 before applying. But pre-mixed they were a “new” product & patent. I always wonder how many women forked over the $100 or went without instead of going back to their doctor? (edited) 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘ve had the same struggles with prior authorizations for both expensive pills and for off-label usage, but that reformulation thing just grinds my gears on your behalf! In any other industry, it would be a bargain to buy a 2-in-1! 🙄 And with the pill crumbling, it‘s frustrating what little care is often paid to how a patient will actually be using something in real life. Made me think again of the breast pumps. 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa My major struggle is that, for my central condition, there are still no highly studied medications, so everything is off-label. I honestly believe the lack of investigative funding is influenced by sexism, and I realize from this book that there‘s actually two aspects to it: first having women‘s suffering taken seriously, and secondly that it may be affected by sex hormones and therefore is “too complicated”. But, 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa in an awful turn of events, my condition is associated with Long-COVID, and is now seeing some national/global attention. And yet I still read that, at the individual level, female-presenting patients are being dismissed as anxious AKA hysterical. It‘s going to take a long time to root out the issues raised in this book, as I think the problems have to be solved both top-down and bottom-up. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I agree! And yes, so many that have been found for my condition were accidental finds, heck I was even accidentally diagnosed. 😂. I have Congenital Myasthenia Gravis, it‘s a muscle weakness disease… originally only thought to occur in the older population (in the 70‘s) until a resident saw me and said, that looks like this thing I just learned about in my last rotation (geriatrics). It was also never supposed run in families, until my⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ brother was diagnosed, then 2 of his 3 children, and by then a lot had been done in genetics and wow, there IS a gene for that. One of the medicines that work for me is an asthma medicine (neuromuscular disease), because someone who had both took and realized it helped both conditions. But yes, so much is tied back to “orphan” conditions that don‘t effect many people and therefore don‘t generate a lot of interest or funding. It‘s sad, ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ because we really should divvy out funding for conditions, so they all get studied…instead of millions to a few big names and very little to anything else. I always thought it was name recognition or number of people effected, but this book shows that sometimes it‘s just what sounds cooler (say ED meds vs PMS, or the breast pump studies). 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa But then I bet that‘s true for lots of things….women complain about lack of pockets or uncomfortable bras, but that‘s ehh, we like your silhouette without bulgy pockets and you look better with VS underwire, so why change that. No male interest at all. Now if we expected men to have their wobbly parts lifted and separated in underwire because women found it “sexier” I bet there‘d be tons of scientists on making that more comfortable stat. So ⤵️ (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ whether it‘s superficial or serious & life altering apparently everything has to framed towards how it would benefit men. 🤷‍♀️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Which is rightfully infuriating 🤯 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I had to go searching for this story again, but I thought you‘d find it interesting because it covers a lot of what we talked about. One of the pioneers of mRNA (a woman) couldn‘t get funding and was basically driven out of university science research….now that technology makes COVID Vaccines. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Could we hope she‘s be recognized for her work now with a Nobel Prize or something? 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Woah, I bet it‘s been a wild ride, with the understanding of your condition changing so much in your lifetime. I know of autoimmune myasthenia gravis, but I didn‘t know of the congenital type/s. I wish you, your brother, and his children well! I so agree with the funding issue, between this book and the great articles you sent me, it seems like the way funding for medical research is distributed is Ridiculously prejudicial. 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa There were many potential uses for mRNA technology, yet no one was interested? It boggles the mind, as do the Viagra example and lack of research into our conditions. I have a dysautonomia, which is a dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system. Mine is called POTS and primarily disturbs the body‘s ability to regulate blood flow for eating, exercise, or against gravity when changing postures. It varies a lot in severity. 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa It‘s believed now to be autoimmune in nature and is often instigated by a viral infection, which is a common way to develop chronic disease, yet post-viral illness is hugely unrecognized and underresearched! And it causes me so much stress to know that politicians think it‘s okay to reach COVID herd immunity by infection instead of full vaccination, when as many as 30-40% of people who are infected experience Long-COVID, 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa and the majority of those people are women, and many of those millions of women will develop my condition, all even though it was preventable. 😞

The end of the NYT article says, ““There are probably many people like her who failed,” he said.” And I agree, but I think, better put, there are many people like her WE failed. I hope we can begin to do better. She better at least get a darn Nobel!
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar it‘s crazy to me how many risks we are taking with this thing because of long-Covid. We know people who are vaccinated can still get COVID, just usually not hospitalized & ventilated…but what are the odds of them ending up with long hauler symptoms and conditions. Or spreading it on to immunocompromised or children under 12, especially with these new virulent versions? But here, no one is masking, even businesses have removed the ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ plexiglass barriers. But the Governor here can‘t reissue any mandates (the state legislature took the power away from the Gov. recently ((they are Rep. he‘s Dem. and trampling their rights & the economy yadda yadda) so there won‘t be any new mandates either). It‘s very worrying to me. If I had a child under 12, I think I‘d have to look into cyber school for the next year. (I don‘t have any children, but I know many people who do.) And I ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ worry for a bunch of my friends who are disabled. I know a few people with immune system issues which vaccines don‘t always work the best on because their system is downgraded, but I also know a few in cancer treatments etc that are currently taking treatments that suppress their immune systems. 6mo
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What I learned from part 4 of this book is that women are often misdiagnosed, given incorrect treatment, and are potentially being denied lifesaving medicines because of the lack of data on how symptoms of some conditions differ in women. There‘s also a tendency to assume the pain women describe is all in their heads, and women are often excluded from clinical trials because of the “messiness” of dealing with our fluctuating hormones. 🤬 #SheSaid

Cosmos_Moon My mom‘s friend was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and thought it was a death sentence. Went through some rounds of chemo, then later was told she never had cancer. So crazy. 6mo
KathyWheeler @Cosmos_Moon 😳. I feel lucky with my doctors, but I‘ve had friends who‘ve been told their chronic, severe pain was in their heads, and my daughter was told she needed to pull herself out of depression. 😡 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes! This part hurt me to read. As someone with a chronic condition it was scary and maddening…not only is it not all in your head, you are actively being gaslight by the whole system. No wonder women end up hysterical (not hysteria which is fake too), complaining of severe issues and being constantly ignored and told you‘re crazy can make you a bit crazy and standoffish with doctors who then label you as a “difficult” noncompliant patient. 6mo
KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Exactly! I don‘t know how I lucked out with my doctors here, but they have always listened to me. But you shouldn‘t have to be lucky like that! Doctors should take women‘s health issues as seriously as they do men‘s. 6mo
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I had to finish this one a bit early this week #SheSaid, and I can‘t wait to talk about it the next 2 weekends, but the library wanted it back and the wait list was long, so I needed to finish it up and return it. Needless to say, I learned a lot in this one, things I hadn‘t really thought about before, and I will be recommending this one a lot in the future I think. #MustRead

Jess861 I definitely need to pick up this book! 6mo
KathyWheeler I went ahead and finished it too since it was going to be automatically returned to the library tomorrow. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler Yep, same problem… so close, but not quite! 6mo
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A short Part, but very impactful…for me at least. I‘m learning a lot, and a lot that I‘m finding rage inducing. I get that many things were designed by men, but how could they have never once considered what might be best for the other half of their demographic (their paying customers) besides maybe making it in pink? There are willing to try anything to increase sales, but apparently talk to women and include their needs? 🤯. ⤵️

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ If half the population is this easy to ignore, and can become invisible….what chance do other actual minorities(less than 1/2 the population) have? 🙄🤯🤦‍♀️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa For whatever reason Litsy wouldn‘t just let me “copy in” the tag list in the comments, so I tagged you in the post itself instead. If anyone would like to be added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 6mo
MallenNC That was the part of this section that made me mad — that developers wouldn‘t even take time to talk to women customers to see what would work. And that often the proposed solution was for women to change, rather than changing to product. 6mo
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MallenNC Also the danger of not testing cars with women sized dummies! Women drive! We should know the safety standards apply to all people. 6mo
KathyWheeler @MallenNC That part has made me a little antsy about even getting in cars! The casual dismissal of women‘s needs is enraging. 6mo
MallenNC @KathyWheeler I know! I just had to buy a new car and of course safety features were influencing my choice. Then I read that chapter and wonder if it even makes a difference. At least my blind spot detector isn‘t affected! 6mo
KathyWheeler I think what they do when they “design” for women is just make the product pink and charge more for it. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Right! Back to the brilliance bias…men are “Brilliant” so obviously the idea is fine, it‘s women that are too slow to see it and need to change….but let‘s make it pink, that will work, they‘ll want it even if it increases their labor load. 🙄 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler Yes! Maybe add perfume! 6mo
KathyWheeler @MallenNC I bought a new car a couple of years ago, and, like you, safety features were a big draw. Now, like you, I wonder if that even mattered.😡 6mo
tenar I enjoyed this section, as much as it made me mad, because I found learning about the uses, problems, and design challenges of cookstoves fascinating! I‘m passionate about global sanitation, particularly to improve quality of life for women, so this was something adjacent I was surprised I‘d never read about before. I agree, looking for flaws in design before we decide there must be flaws in the individuals is a great takeaway for many problems. 6mo
tenar And yes, this section really added on to what we learned from Backlash about the resistance to receiving input from women in product & policy design. (Even in products that will be marketed to women!) It remains mystifying and angering, doesn‘t it? Is it as simple as women are trained to empathize with men, but men not with women? Do we actively train men against empathizing with women? Or do men just think women can‘t have valuable input. 😩 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I‘m thinking it goes right along with when we train them for that “brilliant bias” something we must be doing subconsciously between the ages of 5 & 6 apparently…it was amazing to me that they could literally find the difference between those two ages… which coincidentally is the same age most kids start or complete their first year of organized education. 6mo
MallenNC @tenar That‘s the question, isn‘t it? What makes developers and decision makers (often men) unable to see the usefulness of getting input from women? 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar The cookstove part immediate made me think of Behind the Beautiful Forevers, about living in poverty in India. 6mo
vlwelser I thought it was interesting that they insist on "training" women to use their brilliant idea rather than getting their input and designing something that doesn't require training. 6mo
vlwelser Also the breast pumps. It's like no one thinks about a better way to do something so basic and instead expect women to deal with something that works but isn't convenient. And that women find demeaning. Like you're just a milk producer and don't have anything better to do. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yes…. Nothing better to do, like maybe snuggling a new infant, or catching a nap while they are napping. I was glad she mentioned the phone purse pocket connection…it‘s such a little thing, pockets, but so important for other things! And yet designers refuse to add usable pockets, because they ruin the line of the dress. In other news, semi related, the women‘s volleyball team is complaining about their skippy bikini bottoms, they want⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ shorts bottoms like guy volleyball teams, but were denied. The biggest comment on Twitter, well they can‘t do that, they‘d lose most of their ratings (in other words people only tune in to see them in the bikinis, but guys they watch for the game 🙄). https://www.google.com/amp/s/junipersports.com/controversy-with-the-bikinis-of-n... (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ I should specify this is the Norwegian team, their country still register the bikinis “Norwegian women have been threatened with fines if they wear any type of clothing that covers more than 10cm from the beginning of the legs.” 6mo
AnneCecilie Regarding the volleyball team: it says in the article that it was the national federation that denied it. That‘s not correct. The national federation was prepared to pay the fine for allegedly the games for all the plays, if I‘m correct a total of NOK 50.000 = USD 5.000. But the team said they were threatened with disqualification by the international federation and they wouldn‘t risk it. I think they still protested in their last game. 6mo
vlwelser I don't watch sports really but this seems ridiculous. I imagine other sports have similar issues when you think about it. Gymnastics and figure skating pop into my mind. Everyone is nearly naked in swimming though. It seems weird that volleyball would require a bikini. They don't get extra points for having straight legs or looking graceful when they land. 6mo
KathyWheeler During the 2016 Olympics I was posting, on Facebook, about the clothes women wear for beach volleyball, and all the comments I got were along the lines of, “That‘s what they like to wear,” and “They choose their uniforms,” 🙄 6mo
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Well, now I know why my iPhone doesn‘t fit my hand comfortably (even though the majority of iPhone users are women) and why I‘m always jerking around on my seatbelt trying to make it more comfortable. I‘m also having to fight the urge to never get in a car again. #SheSaid

Riveted_Reader_Melissa It‘s really enlightening and annoying all rolled up into one isn‘t it? 6mo
KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, it really is. 6mo
Suet624 Your review definitely changed my mind about wanting to read this. 👍 6mo
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KathyWheeler @Suet624 it‘s really good and readable as well. Generally, you say “data” to me and I start snoring. This one is not boring at all. 6mo
wanderinglynn I am ALWAYS jerking on my seatbelt! I‘m definitely going to read this. 6mo
KathyWheeler @wanderinglynn Since reading this section, I‘ve watched my husband while he‘s in the car — no jerking around on the seatbelt. Now I know why. 6mo
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Part 2 was a dozy #SheSaid!

Anyone else feeling like we need more of the Icelandic vibe in our countries? I can‘t help but think that strike day made everyone more aware and conscious of the issues and therefore led to some changes…🤔

Maybe we need an annual worldwide holiday/strike day?

vlwelser I'd love to live in a country like Iceland. 6mo
vlwelser I thought this part was interesting. The meritocracy argument was sort of an uh duh. How are women going to live up to that if they aren't even given a chance from the beginning? 6mo
KathyWheeler @vlwelser True but companies love to claim they‘re meritocracies while completely ignoring that particular aspect of the problem. (edited) 6mo
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MallenNC First, yes I think Iceland is a good place to emulate. (They have that books tradition at Christmas too!). My overwhelming feeling during this section was that anyone who doesn‘t fit the traditional “male” role is at a disadvantage in the workplace. The scariest part was women in dangerous fields being put in an even more dangerous position because their protective equipment or circumstances aren‘t made to fit them. 6mo
MallenNC @KathyWheeler Right, they say “they picked the best person” while ignoring inequalities 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Yes! The book Christmas tradition is the best! 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC And yes, that part stuck with me too. Every guy-imagined and drawn superhero and Amazon has form fitted breastplates, like excessively so, but they can‘t imagine that sort of importance for actual women in combat… 🤔 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa True. I also think at some level it comes down to not really wanting women in those positions so why do anything to make it “easier” for them to do the job. That may not be true everywhere but it did come to mind as I was reading. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler That is a huge problem with systemic racism too, white men have huge advantages going back generations, that might make them have better chances in a meritocracy, because they got bonuses and govt help generations ago that has boosted them and their sons…housing, education, leading to wealth, and better schools, etc. It‘s great to see how this applies to woman as well. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yes, I think it‘s one of the better examples I‘ve seen fleshed out for how it applies to women, usually I see it discussed more in generational systemic racism…maybe I haven‘t been reading the right books. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa …or need to read more books 🤷‍♀️ (edited) 6mo
vlwelser 😂 there are always more books to read. 6mo
AnneCecilie Those were my thoughts as well @MallenNC I guess I got a little disappointed to learn how women get the same equipment as men in my naïveté I always thought women got equipment that fitted them. 6mo
MallenNC @AnneCecilie I would‘ve thought that too. Women have been in these roles for quite a while now, so I think a lot of us assumed that they had the correct equipment by now. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC @AnneCecilie Exactly… it isn‘t new at this point. And the way the US for example spends on military and police forces you‘d think this would have been a thing by now. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Anyone else love that it became known as The Long Friday! 🤣. (For men) but that‘s everyday for women 6mo
KathyWheeler @MallenNC I think you‘re right about this — not wanting women in these positions. There‘s no reason to not have properly fitting equipment for women. The only reason to not have it is if the leadership doesn‘t want to make things easier for women. 6mo
mhillis I like that the book looks at situations in many countries. The gender gap here in Japan is a big issue and it was summarized well in this section. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @mhillis Yes, I‘ve been very glad to see her pull in information and examples from many countries. It truly is a worldwide problem. I thought she did a great job with Japan as well, talking about the gender gap, but also some of the work culture that exacerbates it there. 6mo
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Finished part 2 of this today for #SheSaid. The whole situation continues to make me angry, but the section on meritocracy in hiring and promotion was interesting. You‘d think merit would be gender neutral; turns out it‘s not. The only time a workplace has been shown to be a true meritocracy (in hiring) is when hiring is done without knowing the gender of the applicants, as the NY Philharmonic did by putting screens between auditioners and hirers.

KathyWheeler Oh, and the data also shows that more a institution claims to be a meritocracy the less likely it is to be one. Another interesting tidbit from this section — statistically, having a husband adds an extra 7 hours of housework a week to the work mostly women do. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler yea, isn‘t that depressing, housework for two…a good reason to stay single. 😉 6mo
SamAnne This section reaffirmed for me my choice to remain childless. The U.S. is damn hard on mothers. 6mo
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KathyWheeler @SamAnne I have two kids and we are hard on mothers in the US. Before I had tenure, I asked for some release time in order to do research and write. The male Dean of the libraries told me I needed to do that on my own time. I had a 3 year-old and a 12 year-old and a husband who did his fair share. I just started doing the research and writing during my work day instead. 6mo
KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa very depressing, and, as a society, I find that we actually applaud men who “help” their wives. 🙄 I had a friend who used to say he was “babysitting” his kids; he never saw that as a problem until his son-in-law said it. When that happened, he got irate and said, “They‘re your kids! You are NOT babysitting them.” Funny he never noticed it when he did it to his wife; he sure didn‘t like it being said to his daughter. 6mo
SamAnne @KathyWheeler I considered going into academia and then saw how female professors were treated at my small liberal arts college. The sexism & double standards were so apparent. And when I attended in the mid-late 80s the profs constantly voted down a sexual harassment policy. One prof was quoted as saying he considered sleeping with his students one of the “perks” of the job. It felt crushing. When I escaped my red neck town I expected more 6mo
SamAnne @KathyWheeler I ended up going into non-profit conservation work. Again thinking, this community will be better. Nope. This section struck a cord. I dealt with so many “progressive” men who thought they were too evolved to be sexist. 🙄🙄🙄 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler Somehow it‘s always ok when they do it to their wives, but not when it‘s done to their daughters…it always irks me in political conversations like the #Metoo movement, “she‘s somebody‘s daughter”, “what if it was your daughter”, “I‘m a father with daughters so…”. Like it only matters if they can relate it to their offspring (a part of them being disrespected), but not just a human being disrespected. (edited) 6mo
KathyWheeler @SamAnne That library Dean I mentioned? His mother told him to become a librarian because, as a man in a female dominated profession, it would be easier for him to rise to the top. He had the Dean title. Our current head, a woman, does not have that title and she is paid less than he was. I used to be shocked at the sexism of progressive men — not anymore. 6mo
KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That drives me crazy too. Why do you need to have a daughter to recognize bad behavior? And to be fair to my friend, he has acknowledged that he was deeply unfair to his wife and has tried to grow. He knows his sexism was one of the root causes of their divorce. (edited) 6mo
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“It's not always easy to convince someone a need exists, if they don't have that need themselves.”
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Probably my favorite non-fiction read so far this year.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa We are reading this one right now in the #SheSaid group, it‘s excellent so far. 6mo
IhoardBOOKS @Riveted_Reader_Melissa It really is, very eye opening. 6mo
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female students ranked their peers according to actual ability, male biology students consistently ranked their fellow male students as more intelligent than better-performing female students.

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We teach brilliance bias to children from an early age. A recent US study found that when girls start primary school at the age of five, they are as likely as five-year-old boys to think women could be ‘really really smart‘. By the time they turn six, something changes. They start doubting their gender. So much so, in fact, that they start limiting themselves: if a game is presented to them as intended for ‘children who are really, really smart‘,

AnneCecilie five-year-old girls are as likely to want to play it as boys - but six-year-old girls are suddenly uninterested. Schools are teaching little girls that brilliance doesn‘t belong to them. 6mo
eeclayton Scary. And sad ☹️ 6mo
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Veebee I think because little girls are often repeatedly told directly or indirectly that boys are smarter and more ambitious. 6mo
arkei 😬 What things are being said to US girls at this age? What stories? 6mo
AnneCecilie @eeclayton @luliaC I know. Which is why I think it‘s important that anyone who have anything to do with young girls is aware of this. 6mo
AnneCecilie @arkei I don‘t know, but I‘m not sure it‘s just US. I think girls every where is exposed to this. Einstein, Newton. 6mo
arkei @AnneCecilie Oh right. I forgot that women's contributions were not documented well 6mo
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This observation may go some way to explaining why a Finnish study found that single women recovered better from heart attacks than married women - particularly when put alongside a University of Michigan study which found that husbands create an extra seven hours of housework a week for women. An Australian study similarly found that housework time is most equal by gender for single men and women; when women start cohabit, their housework time

AnneCecilie goes up while men‘s goes down, regardless of their employment status. 6mo
arkei Extra seven hours?! That's an exhausting amount of time. 😵 6mo
Veebee The number of additional hours of housework done by married women would also differ from one culture to another. 6mo
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Veebee These extra seven hours include childcare also ? 6mo
arkei Wait, is this only for housewives? Or for working mothers too? 6mo
AnneCecilie @arkei This is for working mothers. So for in the chapter she‘s writing about the difference between working men and women 6mo
AnneCecilie @Veebee They would, but a lot of her statistics is also from Sweden, seen as one of the most equal countries in the world. Even if this number isn‘t. She doesn‘t specify, but I will guess it includes all unpaid work. 6mo
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Discussion Time for the Intro and Part I #SheSaid

This was a fascinating and honestly depressing read so far…. I want to say I‘m shocked, just shocked, but I‘m not shocked at all (which is very depressing).

I also couldn‘t help noticing that the few changes came about after cost benefit analysis basically showed being more equal saved money in the long run, and a bunch of those were based on health benefits over time…

Riveted_Reader_Melissa …. which holds zero sway in the US where those are all private costs anyway. 🙄🤯 where the burden of paying them is also on the individual woman. (edited) 6mo
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sabyym I thought this book would be too statistical from my usual reads but honestly it kept me hooked. It puts everything in such a concise form that I never could. And ya the part where making a more inclusive policy actually saved a ton is just wow. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @sabyym I agree! It‘s written in a very readable way. She did a great job, because it doesn‘t feel overwhelmingly math/statistics/data at all. 6mo
tenar I had not read this yet because I thought it‘d make me mad and would be about the UK. It is making me mad, but I liked how global part 1 was! I appreciated her talking about global sanitation equity. We could do so much by just expanding toilet access to all. It was also interesting to me that common needs of disabled people align with womens‘ overall- public transport, mixed-use zoning, more public restrooms, improved pedestrian access, etc. 6mo
tenar I wanted to share that, when looking this book up, I saw that Invisible Women‘s author has been accused of writing in a transphobic or non-inclusive manner by a feminist student group and some others online for blog posts (one decrying the word “cis”) and some wording in this book. I think that will help me keep in mind something I want to think about anyway: overall, is this book critiquing our society for ignoring half of a gender binary, 6mo
tenar or is it critiquing our society for enforcing that binary, ignoring one side, and ignoring everyone who isn‘t judged to fit in it. Sarah McBride‘s book has me thinking about how trans women face transphobia /and/ misogyny. And about restrooms! I think to ignore people who aren‘t in/judged to fit the binary (non-binary, trans, queer, intersex, etc) is to simplify the world the same way the author is criticizing. It‘s just a smaller group affected. 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa You make such a good point! I kept wondering “now that it‘s known, why aren‘t we all doing this?”, forgetting the level of motivation to improve public health varies quite a lot depending on who is immediately responsible for the costs. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Yes, if it doesn‘t effect the governments pocket in 20-50 years, with more falls, breaks, osteoporosis (for example so far) why would they be motivated to spend money to fix it. In the US, that‘s money spend that doesn‘t bring any profit back…so in our gov‘t has no incentive, even financially, to make changes. And really it‘s depressing that financially was they only way to convince/motivate governments and populaces to spend on changes. 6mo
Cazxxx While I was reading it I kept thinking I can‘t believe I didn‘t know all theses things. Everyone should be made to read this book. It‘s an outrage 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I see their point, but in this case I disagree. Maybe it could be the focus of a future book though. But in this case she has a subject and so far she‘s differentiated sex and gender, I think covering all subdivisions might be too much for 1 book, and it does all overlap (intersects, like lighting/stops/etc), but if we can‘t get them to even collect data by gender, I‘m guessing there is very little collected in more detail. ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ so getting them to collect more and better data is a huge step in and of itself. Personally I want to know more about those subgroups….but the subgroups also fall into male and female gender perceptions, uses for social systems, and fall into male or female coded activities. Safe access to gyms and bus stops should help anyone living more of a “female” life and is probably ignored by those aligning more “male”. No matter what you are, you ⤵️ 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ sadly you get coded (in our society so far at least) as doing male type labor or female type labor even if those labels don‘t fit. There are usually caregivers in every relationship who are doing chain-trips (as she called them) and those doing straight to work commutes. So I feel like if we better juggle both halves of the population in making decisions, everyone would benefit…because everyone gets treated according to those social scripts⤵️ (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️& benefits or not from them, no matter what they personally identify with. I hope that makes sense, but just like we discussed passing as abled bodied with the last book, society is probably going to treat you unequally based in these gender perceptions too. Sarah McBride would have benefited or been discriminated against depending on how she was perceived by society & the kind of personal labor she did for instance, even though she is trans. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar …then again I‘m just in the beginning, maybe something glaring will come out later in the book as we read. 🤔 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Cazxxx Yes, I agree. It‘s kind of crazy how half the population just wasn‘t taken into account in planning. 6mo
sabyym @tenar I‘m glad you mentioned it. Any author who writes about feminism and imp social issues should be searched up to see if their beliefs only go half way. And so far I don‘t see any major red flags so I kinda agree with @Riveted_Reader_Melissa but obvio we‘ll be more critical of what we consume. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @sabyym Oh, yes! I‘m definitely glad to know. I‘ll be on the lookout now as I read. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Thank you for sharing this if I didn‘t say so before. 6mo
vlwelser I think this is really interesting so far. I never think about snow removal or public transport or bathrooms. But when she points these things out it's fairly obvious that there's a gender bias mostly because the planners also weren't thinking about it. Which they should because it's their job. 6mo
Jgotham The whole thing about the Afghani police begging harassed while using the bathroom which leads to no women on the force which in turn leads to policing for women 🤯 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Jgotham Right! No cycle there at all! 🙄 if the police can‘t manage to be nice to their co-workers, how are they treating anyone else. 6mo
MallenNC I‘ve read this one before and the thing she said in this section that has stuck with me is that it‘s not just that men‘s needs and concerns were given more consideration than women‘s, it‘s that women weren‘t considered at all. Which shows again why representation is so important. The section about why just making something equally available, like bathrooms, isn‘t really fair made a lot of good points too. (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Yes. And it‘s an idea that takes some getting use to….equal is not always fair or just. And I‘ve seen it come up again and again in different topics. Sentencing guidelines for example may be fair, as in the same across the population, but not fair on who is charged with them, how they are charged, which neighborhoods are policed more, who gets more plea deals, has better lawyers, etc. like the section about female composers or ⤵️ (edited) 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ authors…if you aren‘t allowed control of the money, you can‘t pay to have your work printed, or archived, or put in a library, men could. 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes! The part about the “fair” requirements for who should be in bank notes was really eye-opening. Of course there aren‘t as many women in history who have been able to meet that requirement. Not because they weren‘t accomplished but bc they‘re forgotten. 6mo
MallenNC I stayed mad the whole time I read this book bc of things like that. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Or because they were controversial (because they had to fight for their rights!!). Blah! I‘m still waiting for my Harriet Tubman $20! 6mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, it‘s really sad that the Tubman $20 was purposely delayed. I do have a Jane Austen bank note that was left over the last time I went to the UK so I decided to keep it. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC That‘s a great keepsake! 6mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @sabyym No problem! Same to you both, I‘m reserving judgement until the end as well. This is obviously a needed and beneficial work. I agree that many overlapping groups (like the disability community! 😌) would certainly benefit from these presented improvements targeted at (cis?) women. So I can see so far many parts where it is clearly beyond the scope to discuss trans & non-binary existence (transportation), 6mo
tenar yet I saw at least one where I think you could make a case it was relevant to address (restrooms). Just like her intro argument, I don‘t want to aggregate or simplify people out of consideration. Thank you for discussing with me, I‘m really excited to keep reading! 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Jgotham I keep thinking about that Afghan police section every time they talk about the withdrawal on the news now…. And not in a good way. 6mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I‘ve been thinking about this, and I can‘t help but wonder, if for some things like public transportation, there is maybe more information on say “handicapped” people than female vs male coded. They have never bothered to collect based on gender, but they had to collect some after the American With Disabilities Act to determine were to put lift busses, curb ramps, etc. 6mo
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AnneCecilie
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Perez is looking at a lot of different ways the male bias I dominating our world, and this is one of them

#SheSaid

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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The next schedule for #SheSaid

Julsmarshall Snagged the ebook from the library 😄 7mo
MallenNC I have read this one and am looking forward to rereading it. I didn‘t have anyone to discuss it with the first time. 7mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC I feel that so much, it was the main reason for starting a reading group. I‘m reading so much more non-fiction now than I ever used to, and so much of it I desperately wanted to be able to talk to someone about as I read it. 7mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa This reading group has helped me read so many books that have been sitting on my TBR! And it helps to be able to see what other readers are thinking. 7mo
JenlovesJT47 Count me in please! 🤗🙋🏻‍♀️ 7mo
JenlovesJT47 Thank you!! 7mo
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Just a reminder #SheSaid as we wrap up our June read, coming up next is Invisible Women. I‘ll post the schedule tomorrow, but if you haven‘t already, make sure you put in your library holds/interlibrary loans.

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BarbaraTheBibliophage
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This is part feminist exposé, part social history, and part science journalism. If you believe the patriarchy is systemic, here‘s all the ammunition you need to prove it. There‘s just one fundamental principle. Anywhere there was or is inquiry or the gathering of knowledge, women are excluded or diminished. Maddening!

Full review http://www.TheBibliophage.com #thebibliophage2021 #booked2021 #latinxauthor #nonfictionchallenge2021 #byalatinxauthor

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m glad you liked it, because I‘m reading it in July! 👍 8mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa It‘s eye-opening for sure. Not the best audiobook because the author just doesn‘t have the narration skills that a professional would. She reads it like a college intro level lecture. 8mo
Hooked_on_books I agree. I thought this book was really good. And yes, maddening! 8mo
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WorldsOkayestStepMom
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Fascinating book! I learned something new each time I picked it up and pressed play!

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rachelsbrittain
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In a word: infuriating. With the increasing importance of data-driven decision making and the assumption that it is somehow inherently unbiased, the gender data gap is an increasingly large-scale problem. Men, viewed as the default, are used for data collection while women are viewed as a complicating other despite being half of the population. Sometimes so focused on the gender binary that it misses the mark on those living outside of it.

Megabooks Great review! 9mo
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Dalaine
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I read this book slowly, taking time to really understand what each chapter was telling me. Gender inequality is everywhere. It is built into systems and structures and hierarchies. There is so much work to be done to undo the damage caused by it. Having good quality, reliable data is one of the first steps needed. I cannot recommend this book enough.

SW-T This was a good read. Lots to digest. 10mo
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This book is superb - well written, entertaining, and infuriating (in a good way) - highly recommend and currently a bargain.

Caroline2 Ohhh 😯 thanks for the heads up. 👍 10mo
eraderneely Seconded! 10mo
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Yahui07
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This is no doubt an informative book and shows the male bias data or design which may not occur to me. However, it is a bit dry and repetitive. 3.5 stars out of 5.

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The Survivors #SetinAustrailia
The Space Between Worlds #NonfictionScienceorSFwrittenbyaWoman
Eat only when you‘re hungry #BakedGoodsontheCover
You Should Have Known #COVIDHEROES (doctor or nurse MC)
The ABC Murders #MustacheonCover
Invisible Women #AuthorsFirstNameStartswithABorC

#Booked2021 #Winter

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Cazxxx
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This book is a must read for everyone. As someone who speaks up about feminism a lot, I was surprised about the amount of things I‘ve missed or didn‘t know, the small every day things that most of us wouldn‘t even think about as well as the bigger things
How most things are based around men, including the designs of every day items. I did feel infuriated at times also but this was so interesting
5 ⭐️

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CSeydel
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#nonfiction2021
This was a very important book about a real but largely unseen problem - missing data. When tools, systems, and even medical technology and drugs are developed, it‘s from an assumption that men represent all humans and women represent a special case. The problem with the book is that she too often drifts from her thesis, muddling the point. Also, some of her statistics are of questionable sources. 3/5⭐️

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Shievad
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Great book full of statistics but not dry. If you‘re a woman you won‘t find it shocking that the world was not designed with you in mind. Nevertheless I recommend everyone (woman or man) read this book. We can‘t go on ignoring the experiences or needs of 50% of the world‘s population.

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Hooked_on_books
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Invisible Women illustrates how the male default/bias across broad swaths of society leads to policies and behaviors that benefit men and discriminate against women, at times with deadly consequences. It‘s data-heavy but not at all dry and sadly it did not surprise me at all, though it is fascinating. In order to change our world, we need to make problems of ingrained bias visible and this is a good step in that fight.

squirrelbrain I‘ve had this on my TBR shelf for a while.... it‘s one of those books that I really want to read but somehow never get round to! 12mo
Hooked_on_books @squirrelbrain I know how that is! I think you‘ll be glad when you get to this one—it‘s really well done. 12mo
jenniferw88 @squirrelbrain is your litsy stack up to date? asking for #jennyis30 (have got the book from your litsy stack but was considering this one - want to make sure I don't send something you already have!) 12mo
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squirrelbrain It is now @jenniferw88 ! I removed a couple that I got for Christmas and hadn‘t even realised that this one was on there...so I removed it too.... 😘 12mo
jenniferw88 @squirrelbrain phew - I'm safe! Not sure when I'll get it out to you because of covid but it will hopefully be sometime this year 😂 12mo
squirrelbrain Don‘t worry @jenniferw88 - it gives me something to look forward to! 12mo
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ilyssa.g
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I completed this book a few days ago. It's my first completed read of the year! I loved it! It's extremely well-written and well-researched. Even though there are many statistics, Perez explains them thoroughly and makes them applicable to everyday problems. I learned such a great deal. It shows that there is so much work to be done in establishing data on women and striking for even a hint of gender equality around the world.

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DeannaJ
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Very informative, but very enraging.