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By the Fire We Carry
By the Fire We Carry: The Generations-Long Fight for Justice on Native Land | Rebecca Nagle
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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"The McGirt decision resulted in the largest restoration of tribal land in US history."

Nagle does an amazing job telling you many different stories of Native people, while also explaining how the US government committed genocide on them, mixing history and current court cases to paint a detailed and complex picture of the Muscogee land. The writing is exceptional, very easy to read and understand.
"As long as the grass grows or the water runs"

TieDyeDude Excellent! I just pulled this off my shelf to start this week :) 1d
ChaoticMissAdventures @TieDyeDude hope you get a lot out of it (there is a bit too much awfulness to say enjoy it, but it is so important) 1d
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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"Chief Justice Roberts repeated the lies told about the Five Tribes to justify allotment."

As someone who followed not only this case closely but also follows the SCOTUS closely each year I hope that people get that CJ Roberts is an asshole out of this book (while also understanding that Gorsuch was right here but always wrong everywhere else - also a jackass but does good in this area)

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ChaoticMissAdventures
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"Oil and gas producers don't fight regulation as it comes up; the industry lays the groundwork to ensure future regulation is not possible."

"(Oil &gas industry) Organized (..) laws preempting bans on plastic bags- a petroleum product. As of 2020, fifteen states have banned the banning of plastic bags, while only eight limit their use. "

Asif I needed another reason to always use my tote bags.

Suet624 Vermont banned plastic bags and it‘s always funny to see people walking out of their store with their arms full and groceries slipping out of their arms because they forgot their totes. 2d
BarbaraBB @Suet624 I know what you mean! And I love that VT banned plastic bags instead of books! 2d
Suet624 @BarbaraBB oh, me too!!! 2d
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ChaoticMissAdventures @Suet624 @BarbaraBB my city was the 1st in the area to ban them followed later by all of Oregon. It is so easy to adjust to it, I am always startled when somewhere else and they want to give me a bag. It does seem to be more a blue state thing to not let oil lobbyists have so much power. 2d
BarbaraBB Sometimes I forget a tote and have to buy a plastic bag (you pay for them in alle of the Netherlands) and I feel so guilty walking home with a plastic bag! @Suet624 (edited) 2d
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB oh! Interesting, we are not even allowed to buy plastic. We can buy paper bags at checkout if we forget. They are 5 cents each so not so bad. 2d
BarbaraBB That‘s much better, just paper bags. We mostly have them too but supermarkets here sell mostly plastic bags unfortunately. 2d
ncsufoxes We‘ve lived in several different states & they each have different laws (some cities have different laws within the state). CA of course banned plastic bags & you could buy paper ones for .10, Boston banned plastic bags & could buy paper ones for .10, now we live in MD some parts of Frederick County charge for plastic bags but they are not banned. We have family in NC & plastic is not banned there 2d
ChaoticMissAdventures @ncsufoxes isn't it interesting? I never thought about bans to ban bans.... And the oil companies being behind it all. 2d
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AnneCecilie
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#BookReport

Read The Illustrious Client

Finished Our Share of Night

Continued with my yearlong reads on the right

Continued Please Do Not Touch This Exhibit and Autocracy Inc

I‘ve started Northanger Abbey #PembetLittens #JaneAustenThenandNow, Lamentation #ShardlakeBR and The Bookshop at the Back of Beyond

#WeeklyForecast

Continue with my current reads and hopefully finish some.
Start Sister in Law

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ChaoticMissAdventures
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Scott Braden worked in the public defender's office at the same time as Lisa and is a citizen of Osage Nation. Seeing how capital punishment worked from the inside solidified his opposition of it. "It really is a crusade on the part of prosecutors and staff to build political careers on the backs of the poor," he told me. "The poor are the ones that get executed. The rich don't get executed."

1 of my top reasons for being anti- execution.

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AnneCecilie
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#WeeklyForecast

Continue with the yearlong reads on the right

Hopefully finish Our Share of Night and Please Do Not Touch This Exhibit

Read The Illustrious Client #NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Start Lamentations #ShardlakeBR and Autocracy Inc.

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AnneCecilie
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#BookReport

I finished the poetry collection Betongblomst (Concrete Flower) and Eloquent Rage #SheSaid

I continued with my yearlong reads on the right

I continued By the Fire We Carry, A Thousand Threads and Our Share of Night

I‘ve started the poetry collection Please Do Not Touch This Exhibit

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AnneCecilie
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#BookReport

Finished Nesting

Continued with the yearlong reads on the right

Continued the buddy reads; Eloquent Rage #SheSaid and Heartstone #ShardlakeBR

I continued reading Betongblomst (Concrete Flower) and What the Wild Sea Can Be

I continued listening to the tagged

I started There‘s a Monster Behind the Door

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AnneCecilie
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#BookReport

Continue yearlong reads on the right

Continue Heartstone #ShardlakeBR and Eloquent Rage #SheSaid

Continue What the Wild Sea Can Be and Betongblomst (Concrete Flower)

Continue listening to the tagged

Finish Nesting and then I‘ll see what I‘m in the mood for next

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AnneCecilie
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#BookReport

I finished Intermezzo and read Perfection

I continued the yearlong reads on the right

I pick up Heartstone again #ShardlakeBR

I‘ve started What the Wild Sea Can Be, Betongblomst (Concrete Flower) and Nesting

sarahbarnes I‘m looking forward to Perfection! 1mo
Lcsmcat This morning‘s Copeland is an old favorite of ours. 1mo
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AnneCecilie
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#WeeklyForecast

Continue with the yearlong reads on the right

Pick up Heartstone again #ShardlakeBR

Finish Intermezzo

I just started What the Wild Sea Can Be and what to read some more in that

Read Perfection

Start the poetry collection Betongblomst (Concrete Flower)

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AnneCecilie
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#BookReport

It‘s towards the end of the month, so I finished the monthlong buddy reads; Pride and Prejudice #PemberLittens #JaneAustenThenAndNow, Entitled #SheSaid and Star of the Sea #BookedInTime

I continued with my yearlong reads on the right

I continued listening to the tagged

I put the Tiller book on pause for now

I‘ve started Intermezzo

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TheKidUpstairs
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Another excellent selection from the #wpnf25 long list. Centering on the ups and downs and legal manipulations of a Supreme Court decision, Nagle explores Indigenous Land Rights in the US. It is sad and infuriating, with occasional glimmers of hope.

jitteryjane724 These books are so important. Really glad to know that others are exploring works like this. 2mo
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Jas16
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Centered around a recent Supreme Court case, this is a look at Native land rights and the myriad of ways the US government has stolen land throughout history and reneged on its promises, including some of the unbelievable current laws that try to keep Native populations powerless. Reading it made my blood boil and I kept wishing more people would read this although I fear those who truly need the history lesson never will.

LoverOfLearning Sounds like a great read! 2mo
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charl08
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The legal doctrines the US created to take Indigenous land still govern how the US treats those living at the margins...

Powerful end to a powerful book.

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charl08
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As recently as 2022, Justice Samuel Alito argued that Indigenous nations do not share a common political interest, because "before the arrival of Europeans, the tribes were at war with each other."

What is sad about these statements is that Supreme Court justices are no better or worse than the general public; most people don't know what a federally recognized tribe is, how jurisdiction works on a reservation...

ChaoticMissAdventures This current SCOTUS, what an embarrassment. I am on the wait list for this at the library. I know it is going to make me sad and angry. Does she talk about Native wild card Gorsuch? His views on Native rights always seem to come from left field considering how horrid he is on every other issue 2mo
charl08 @ChaoticMissAdventures I'm still at the early stages of the case making the SC - includes RBG and Sandra Day O'C. But *no one* comes out of it looking informed, R or D. 2mo
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In a personal letter to President Monroe in 1817, Jackson confessed that he had long viewed treaties with Indigenous nations as an "absurdity." Such treaties were necessary, Jackson wrote, when Indigenous nations were strong and the federal government was still weak, but now, "circumstances have entirely changed." ?

Susanita 🤔 2mo
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charl08
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45 years! At 14!🤯

#WomensPrizeLL25

Suet624 Tragic. 3mo
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Hooked_on_books
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Nagle looks at a modern day jurisdictional debate as well as the history of US government behavior regarding native peoples in this book. While I liked all the parts of it, it didn‘t entirely work for me as a whole. The current story is regarding the Muskogee reservation but much of the past history was about her own Cherokee family. I found that split a little confusing and would have liked to see one or the other as the focus. #WPNF25

squirrelbrain Great review! I‘ve just started this on audio. 3mo
Hooked_on_books @squirrelbrain I‘m so curious to hear what you think of it. There were big chunks of things I already knew, and I wonder if maybe that helped fuel my reaction. 3mo
squirrelbrain I‘m not sure if it‘s going to hold my attention on audio, particularly when I‘m driving. I think I‘ll stick with Neneh Cherry on tomorrow‘s commute ‘cos I‘m loving that. 3mo
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charl08
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I wrote this book because I believe the American public needs to understand that the legacy of colonization is not just a problem for Indigenous peoples, but a problem for our democracy.

#WomensPrizeLL25

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Chelsea.Poole
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“I wrote this book because I believe the American people need to understand that the legacy of colonization is not just a problem for Indigenous peoples but a problem for our democracy.
And, selfishly, I wrote this book because the story lived in my body and I needed it to come out.”

AnnCrystal “the story lived in my body and I needed it to come out“ 👏📚💝. 3mo
Librarybelle I think this one was well done. 3mo
charl08 I just copied this quote and then scrolled down to see you were ahead of me. So powerful. 3mo
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Chelsea.Poole
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Heartbreaking, maddening, unbelievable what the white man has perpetrated against the Native American people. This should be required reading, in order to understand the systematic way people were removed from land, the way entire ways of life have been destroyed. This begins with a crime and a legal battle over tribal lands and jurisdiction which I felt was a great way to introduce the many and varied ways tribes have been denied rights.

squirrelbrain Great review! I (almost) started this earlier today. Had to stop after the prologue to go do something else. 🤨 3mo
Chelsea.Poole @squirrelbrain it‘s so good, feels like it‘ll be hard to top, for me. 3mo
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squirrelbrain I‘ve thought that about all 3 I‘ve read so far…. 🤷‍♀️ Which is fabulous, really, that we get to benefit from such great books. 3mo
Suet624 I haven‘t read this one, but I‘ve read so many heartbreaking stories over the last 50 years of how we‘ve screwed Native Americans that I‘m not sure I can read another. But the more reviews I read of it I may just have to. 3mo
WildAlaskaBibliophile Have you read Killers of the Flower Moon? This true story is also heartbreaking, maddening, and unbelievable. 3mo
AnnCrystal
Difficult History 😢📚💔❤️‍🩹💝.
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AnnCrystal @WildAlaskaBibliophile that story was crazy, a masterpiece, yet absolutely scary crazy. I kept checking if it was indeed nonfiction! 3mo
TheKidUpstairs My audio hold on this just came in, started it on my walk to work today! 2mo
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Librarybelle
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I had two 5-star reads in November, and both tie into injustices.

The tagged book is a true crime story, but it‘s more than that—it‘s about laws and injustices against Indigenous communities. Nagle provides a history of wrongs and the constant struggle the communities face. This even involves a Supreme Court case. Be ready to be angry.

The Book Censor‘s Library was so good! Satire that is way too close to reality. #12BooksOf2024

Andrew65 Important themes. 4mo
kspenmoll Stacked! 4mo
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TieDyeDude
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@WildAlaskaBibliophile and I do our own jolabokaflod exchange on Christmas Eve. Here's what I got! I've been wanting to get into the Locked Tomb trilogy for a while, but I think I'm going to start with the tagged book!

AllDebooks What a lovely tradition ❤️ 4mo
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Librarybelle
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This should be required reading for every American. Seriously.

Part true crime and part history, Nagle writes a clear and blunt look at the treatment of Indigenous communities since the founding of the US. Nagle, who is a citizen of the Cherokee nation, reports on the sins of everyone, including her ancestors—everyone has dark secrets. There are very scary parallels to today‘s world; I‘m not sure if it was wise or prudent to read this now. 5 ✨

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Librarybelle
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“The fight over truth is so bitter because power flows from the dominant narrative—the power to shape both public sentiment and public policy.”

I barely made it to page two of the Prologue and found this. It resonates so well today, and for Nagle, a member of the Cherokee nation, it speaks volumes to the mistruths about the indigenous past.

#TodayILearned #NFNovember

Bookwormjillk 🔥🔥🔥 6mo
Christine Man, she said that so well. I‘ve been meaning to get to this one, looking forward to your review! 6mo
Librarybelle @Christine I want to read it rather than clean! Maybe I can continue reading this afternoon. 6mo
Christine Yes, I hope you do! 6mo
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