Arguing for a Better World

Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

After a tough week,news,work, allergies,Netanyahu,Israel/Iran,LA,45 million? we are paying for little t‘s birthday parade, India‘s plane crash, my son‘s rising anxiety due to all this, I dealt with the myriad of feelings these things evoked in me,by having a moscow mule.That‘s not my usual way to cope.I am hoping my exhaustion, anxiety, etc. will lift after Robert & I join in Hartford‘s Protest at the Capital tomorrow.
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TheBookHippie Sending love & light!!! 17h

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Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

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Can you be racist to a white person?
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Sorry I didn‘t post earlier. I‘m still getting my brain working today.

TheBookHippie I don‘t think so. Privilege at the end of the day. I understand people‘s arguments. I just don‘t think so. White for being just white nothing else. At the end of the day, being white is your privilege. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 6d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I agree. Also “Karen” is neither sexist nor racist. I think the answer to all of it is “check your privilege!” 5d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie did this chapter read as pompous as the intro? 5d

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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics no, misguided maybe. I am interested though and I think it‘s something to read that‘ll give insight to differing ways of thought processes. 5d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie some of it did sound like maybe giving a pass to behaviours that shouldn‘t be given passes, if that sounds right. That could be my own privilege. I just think the right approach isn‘t “hey, it‘s fine to make race jokes and comments as long as they‘re against white people.” I think that‘s just confirming white nationalist fears that black and brown people are going to do the same things the white people have done to them. 5d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I don‘t think we should cater to white nationalists by any means, and their fears are entirely unfounded by any measure. I just don‘t think continuing to make skin color an insult is the solution. We need to get away from that entirely. It never should have started, but we can choose to do better, and we need to choose better, and choose to eradicate that entirely. That‘s just my take on it. 5d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics the comments should not be said. That‘s it. 5d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie exactly! I agree it doesn‘t have the same history behind it, but that doesn‘t make it okay or right. 5d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 🎯 5d

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kspenmoll

Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

Early morning coffee. Nearby rooster crowing,bird song, cool air, blue skies with powder puff clouds. And of course, coffee and a book.
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monalyisha What a perfect morning! 2w

AnnCrystal Bliss 🤩👍🏼💝💝💝. 2w

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Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

How is everyone doing after the intro? What are your thoughts going forward?
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TheBookHippie I‘ll get to it!! 🤦🏻‍♀️😵‍💫 2w

kspenmoll I will get to intro etc this week! 2w

AlaSkaat I like the idea of Show your working, especially in thought/opinion.
When she said how disappointing it is people are so focused on being ‘right‘ and oftentimes not even forming their own opinion, just borrowing others for the sake of being right… and then ‘it‘s not my job to educate you‘ when asked to explain… I wonder how many Trump followers blindly follow him and scream his words without really understanding them.. 2w

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AlaSkaat Maybe not not understanding it, but rather never forming their own opinion and following his. Cause anyone in their right mind who has really thought about it (enough to show their work in this sense) would go the other way… 2w

AlaSkaat This reminded me of the tagged book. Good can vary from parson to person. I‘m curious to see how she explains each topic in every chapter. Can you be racist to a white person… there are people of each opinion. Which one is the ‘right‘ one? I hope she goes into detail!

What is Good?: The Search for the Best Way to Live

TheBookHippie She reads pompous know it all but I‘m eager to see how she carries the themes out. I too am of the SHOW your working. I get the call day after CheetoSatan gets elected “ OHNO-what do I do ? What are YOU doing to stop this?” Pisses me off. I‘m doing the same damn thing everyday I always do. Look in the mirror people… own your privilege and use it. 2w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I loved her idea of showing your work as well. It made so much sense. I had the same thoughts. How many people are just regurgitating ideas without a thought? The next chapter should be interesting. I think “reverse racism” is used often times in ways that aren‘t actually racist. Although, I do think there are situations where people think negative things about white people just because they‘re white, and that IS racism. 2w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie in the audio I don‘t feel like she came off very pompous, but I was also wasn‘t paying attention to that as much when I was listening. I‘ll have to listen for it this week. My new catch phrase is “have the day you voted for.” So many people upset because his BS is actually harming them now. You voted for this. Have the day you voted for, folks! 2w

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics exactly -have the day you voted for !!! 2w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that‘s my new catch phrase! I love it! 2w

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Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

Read the into today. Enjoying it so far. Can‘t wait for our discussions.
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kspenmoll I have this in a pile-thanks for the reminder! 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I almost missed it. June seriously snuck up on me. I‘m glad I checked my calendar! 2w

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GingerAntics

Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

Sorry guys, it‘s been a crazy few weeks. I finally got this done. If this is too early to start, we can push it back some. Let me know.

1 June - Intro
8 June - Can You Be Racist to a White Person?
15 June - Has'Political Correctness' Gone Too Far?
22 June - What's Wrong with Dog Whistles?
29 June - Is It Sexist to Say'Men Are Trash'?
13 July - Do All Lives Matter?
20 July - Who Should We Believe?
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GingerAntics 27 July - Where Does a Mansplainer Get His Water?
3 Aug - Who Is Cancelling Whom?
10 Aug - Are We Responsible for Structural Injustice?
17 Aug - Conclusion #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety
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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie this thing is getting rude! 1mo

CatLass007 Thank you for including me in your post group. I look forward to the discussions. 1mo

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TheBookHippie lol!!!! I‘m ready to go put book on hold it was on shelf so I‘m all set! 1mo

Chrissyreadit looks good 1mo

kspenmoll I am ready too! 1mo

DrSabrinaMoldenReads What is this all about? 1mo

GingerAntics @DrSabrinaMoldenReads it‘s the next book we will be reading for the dead philosophers society. You can join us if you‘d like. 1mo

DrSabrinaMoldenReads Thanks!!! That sounds interesting! Please include me. (edited) 1mo

AlaSkaat I‘ve still got to buy this book but it sounds interesting. I‘m slowly getting back into a normal reading routine after the bad few months I‘ve had, so I‘ll try to engage more this time around 🤞 3w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I hope everything is getting better. Ease yourself back in if you need to. No rush. No pressure. 3w

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics thank you. I‘ve had a lot of health issues come up in the middle of my grief and the past 3 months have been sooo hard. But it‘s all settling slowly… I‘m definitely making rest a priority now so will definitely have time to read! 3w

AlaSkaat Thanks for still including me btw, I‘ve been awol for so long haha I came back here after I think a year or more? And you guys were still having these discussions! So awesome 3w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat oh no, I‘m so sorry. That always seems to make things worse. Rest is always a good time to read. Yeah, we‘re still chugging along. I‘m so glad you‘re getting to come back, though. We‘ve missed you. 3w

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics thank you! I‘ve missed it here too. It‘s really nice to be back, even if I‘m easing in slowly while I get everything back on track. I just hope the world has given me enough ‘lessons‘ for a while and I can stick to reading about them instead 😅 3w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat girl, I know that feeling. Fingers crossed on reading instead of living the lessons. Ugh. 3w

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics 🤞🤞 the book came today. I‘ll make a start on it. I saw a lot of mixed reviews about it 🧐 2w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat fingers crossed, we shall see 2w

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GingerAntics

Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

Do we want to read this book next, or one of our back catalogue? Also, should we go back to having discussion questions, or did you like having a more informal format?
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kspenmoll I would like to read this tagged book. Informal is fine- discussion questions if you have the inclination & time. 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I‘m thinking if I do questions, maybe I would just pick one for the chapter instead of trying to come up with as many as possible. Not looking at everything as a possible discussion question really let me take in the book more. 2mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics yes sounds good!! Informal one per chapter is fine by me! 2mo

Chrissyreadit I was able to get it through Libby and intend to read this one with all of you. 2mo

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!! 2mo

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Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

This came up on Apple Books as a recommendation. This could be perfect for us. Thoughts?
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kspenmoll Sounds interesting & relevant. I vote yes. 3mo

TheBookHippie Yes 3mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll my thoughts exactly! 3mo

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RaeLovesToRead

Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

so-so

If you're looking for a book to get more people on board with current social justice discourse, this is not the one.

There's certainly lots of food for thought and I agree with most of what's being said, but there isn't enough empathy with opposing views to truly build a bridge.

Ironically, I found Shahvisi a lot more convincing in later chapters when she loses some of the certainty and allows more nuance into her arguments.

Also, cake!

yourfavouritemixtape Oh god, that cake 🤤 5mo

RaeLovesToRead @yourfavouritemixtape Buttercream!!!!! 🥰🥰 5mo

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RaeLovesToRead

Arguing for a Better World: How to talk about the issues that divide us | Arianne Shahvisi

Keep dreaming of a better world 💙

Jess I‘m not going to lie, it is quite tough today to see any hope. Maybe tomorrow? Thanks for the encouragement though. 7mo

RaeLovesToRead @jess 🫂🫂🫂🫂 7mo

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