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The story of Will, an orphan sold into indentured servitude to run a trading post in Cherokee country where he doesn‘t speak the language. This book is best in telling of Will‘s formative years, as he survives and thrives tenaciously. But it is about 80 pages too long and spends too much time with Will chasing a woman he can never have. The writing is lovely. #13moonsbuddyread

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megnews @Hooked_on_books I hope you enjoyed it and I‘m glad you joined us! 5y

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Thanks to all! I‘ve enjoyed the #13MoonsBuddyRead and discussion. Look forward to reading further responses and to another great #buddyread next month as @sblbooks hosts the #OliviaBuddyRead in October.

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Lcsmcat Well, as a practical matter, Will was the narrator so we couldn‘t follow him to the Nightland without it‘s becoming a different kind of book. 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat agree completely. Not sure how the author could have done that successfully and keep the feeling of the book the same. 5y

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sblbooks No, she was married. that should have been the end of it, they would have both been better off. 5y

Lcsmcat No. It wasn‘t up to him. His regrets over not calling her back don‘t mean that she would have done anything differently. 5y

megnews Who knows? 5y

SaturnDoo I don't think so either based on the simple fact that she was a married woman. 5y

Hooked_on_books I agree with @sblbooks and @Lcsmcat ā€”she was never his to be had. Even if he had gone with her to the west, she still would have been married and would not have left Featherstone for him. 5y

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Lcsmcat Beneficial. Because he showed that he cared and was willing to fight for their future. That goes a long way. 5y

megnews I agree with @Lcsmcat Even if the end result was a bit futile, it had to mean something to the Cherokee that he cared for them as a people, their land and old ways. And in many ways it was not futile as it enabled many to stay after the Removal and their descendants live there to this day. I never understood how there were still Cherokee there after the Trail of Tears but now it makes sense. 5y

sblbooks Beneficial, at least he did everything you could for Bear's people. Even though the Trail of Tears still happened, a few we're able to stay in Western North Carolina. 5y

SaturnDoo Although it may have seemed futile, I agree that it was beneficial in more ways than was realized. It's good for a person's soul and well being to know that you helped even if in a very small way. 5y

Hooked_on_books I think it was beneficial to the small group of people who were able to remain in that place but futile to the Nation as a whole. But given the US government‘s aim to take all the land and wipe Native Americans off it, I really don‘t think he could have done anything differently. (Except not go into and/or pay his debts!) 5y

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megnews I‘m not sure if it‘s the biggest but the biggest one I can think of was pining after Claire his whole life instead of allowing himself the comfort of trying to find another true love. 5y

Lcsmcat That‘s big @megnews . Certainly some unresolved stuff there! And also, he never mastered his temper. Shooting at the train? š¤¦š¸»ā€¨ā™€ļø¸ 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat I agree about his temper but I found that almost comical. He‘s the town‘s cranky, crazy old man. Probably the stuff of legend for more reasons than his life‘s accomplishments. Can you see the kids daring each other to run up on his porch? 5y

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Lcsmcat @megnews Absolutely! 5y

Hooked_on_books I think his greatest failure was turning his back on his business and his debt while he traveled around or lived in a hotel and losing almost everything as a consequence. 5y

megnews @Hooked_on_books yes and all to pine over a married woman! 5y

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megnews At first blush, I wanted to say his ability to act shrewdly to purchase all the land he managed to for the Cherokee people to remain in NC. But when I look deeper, I think his success as a literate, bilingual, self-taught man and attorney from his background as an indentured, abandoned orphan on his own in the wilderness is remarkable and without that he couldn‘t have accomplished what he did for the Cherokee. 5y

sblbooks Yes @megmews I couldn't have said it better. 5y

Lcsmcat I think what you said @megnews is important. But for me his greatest accomplishment was the self knowledge he gained by the end of his life. 5y

Hooked_on_books @megnews Totally agree and well put. 5y

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megnews Sacrificing the few to save the many? 5y

Lcsmcat I think he was trying to show how there were no purely good choices. They were in a position where some choices might be less bad than others, but none of them were good. 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat Very true! 5y

Hooked_on_books @Lcsmcat I agree. I also think he uses this plot point to illustrate how pragmatic Will is when it comes to things other than Claire. He doesn‘t feel great about hunting Charley and company, but then again it really doesn‘t seem to bother him much. It‘s an interesting insight into his character. 5y

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megnews I think Bear for sure. Featherstone impacted his life through books and friendship (for awhile) but he had one foot -or more- in the white world. Bear was his adopted Father and I think the person he wanted to emulate, help, and missed the most when he was gone. 5y

CoffeeNBooks I agree- I think he learned a lot both from and because of his interactions with Featherstone, but I think Bear was a greater influence on many aspects of his life. 5y

Lcsmcat I think both were influential, but I think he wished Bear was more so, due to something he said early on. Don‘t have the book with me, so can‘t quote it. But I think he wished he didn‘t have Featherstone‘s temper. 5y

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sblbooks Agree with Lcsmcat, both 5y

SaturnDoo I think both, in different ways and reasons. 5y

Hooked_on_books He was much closer to Bear and loved him, but I actually think he was more influenced by Featherstone. They both built their empires by taking advantage of others with little regret. 5y

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Hooked_on_books I‘m not sure I ever envisioned the Cherokee Nation, so I‘m not sure. I think I always thought about Native American land as being far too small for the number of people and he describes things as fairly spread out. 5y

megnews Such a tough question. I think it‘s as authentic as a white person living in our modern world could write it. You see white ways & diseases slowly infiltrating the culture. It‘s hard to envision the culture from today‘s world. I‘ve visited The NC Cherokee Reservation and I still wouldn‘t be able to imagine it‘s history nor can I tell how authentic the historical interpretations there are. š¤·š¸»ā€¨ā™€ļø¸ 5y

Lcsmcat He got the syllabery right, and some of the things I know. Others I‘m not sure if they are historically accurate, but they are convincing. 5y

sblbooks I agree with you @megnews. I feel that only a Cherokee can truly answer this question. 5y

SaturnDoo I'm not sure that I've really tried to envision the Cherokee Nation at that time. As far as being authentic, probably not because this is a fictionalized tale about William Holland Thomas. 5y

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Hooked_on_books For me, it‘s his descriptions of this place with so few people. That, and some of the language (I had to look up panniers), though there‘s a spot where modern language sneaks in a bit. I love the bit where he talks about how much faster a horse is than the railroad. 5y

megnews I agree with @Hooked_on_books regarding the population. His writing made me picture the isolation of the forest, how few people one might see in even a month‘s time. I think his writing on the politics and policies of the day added to it as well. DC still a muddy swamp being built. Also the ability to walk into & through the White House unattended looking for the president! Can‘t imagine a time like that. 5y

CoffeeNBooks I think Frazier's descriptive writing style really helps to be able picture the time period. He describes everything so thoroughly that you can picture it as you read. The land, the city areas, the stores Will owned, all give the reader the impression of the isolation and small population of the time period. 5y

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SaturnDoo I agree. His descriptive writing style helps not only to picture the era but also feel what the characters are feeling. Although with this type of style, I get a little bored and bogged down. 5y

megnews @SaturnDoo I used to be the same way but that type of writing style has grown on me over the years, if done well as Frazier has. 5y

megnews @CoffeeNBooks yes! I could picture the stores as well. 5y

CoffeeNBooks @SaturnDoo I got a little bored and bogged down at times with this one. There were some parts of the book that I enjoyed much more than other parts. 5y

Lcsmcat His writing reminds me of Willa Cather or Ivan Doig. It‘s quiet, introspective and poetic. And the land becomes a character as much as any of the people. 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat I agree about the land becoming a character. I find that that to be the case with the best Southern fiction and I love when it‘s done so well. 5y

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Hey everybody! Sorry I‘m late getting started. Took my 16 year old to this amazing driving class called BRAKES this morning.

#13MoonsBuddyRead discussion begins now!

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Hooked_on_books I haven‘t quite finished the book yet, so I‘m going to bail on the questions as soon as I see spoilers but will come back when I‘m done reading. 5y

megnews @Hooked_on_books I only posted a spoiler alert the ones that gave something away in the question. Many didn‘t. Looking forward to your input when you finish. 5y

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A tribute to the mountains, to home. A memorial to a time gone by. A love story of a couple, for a people, of a time and place gone. An adventure, beautifully written. At times amusing. Definitely an introspective slow burn.

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Looking forward to #13moonsbuddyread discussion tomorrow.

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Lcsmcat Me too! 5y

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Lcsmcat True that. š”® 5y

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Unfortunately, I think this is all too true.

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So I finally started this yesterday for the #13moonsbuddyread and wanted to show you all my mint condition copy. š† Years ago, before I learned my dogs need crating for their separation anxiety when I am not at home, the cover was a victim of predation. But all page of the text are intact! This is destined for the recycle bin after I finish.

megnews Oh no! The dog really did eat your homework! 5y

audraelizabeth My dog one time ate my homework of vertebrae which was macaroni, cotton balls and pipe cleaners. 5y

Hooked_on_books @audraelizabeth Oh no! That sounds like a lot of work. I‘m sure you were pissed. I had a dog eat a cross stitch project needle and all a few years ago. I had to watch his poop for a few days to make sure it came through. It did and he was fine, but needless to say my friend didn‘t end up getting a bookmark! 5y

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Hooked_on_books @megnews š‚š‚ 5y

audraelizabeth I was pretty young. My teacher didnt believe me until my mom called her. It was during a year when that was the least of my worries. 5y

Soubhiville My first dog ate copies of The Last Unicorn and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. She had varied tastes I guess. We learned to love the crate after that. š¤£ 5y

Hooked_on_books @Soubhiville Yes, crates are good! I mentioned in a previous comment about Gunther eating a cross stitch project. I was actually making a bookmark for you! He made sure that didn‘t happen. š‚ 5y

Soubhiville Hahaha! Oh Gunther. It‘s scary that he ate a needle! And remarkable that it passed through without damaging anything. 5y

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Finishing this one up tonight.

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Balthazar may look bored, but it‘s because he can‘t read. This is a contemplative story, yet full of adventure. A long life, lived through interesting, turbulent times. The voice is perfect, the tone sensitive, the humor engaging. I look forward to discussing it this weekend! #13moonsbuddyread @megnews

MrBook Nice review! 5y

Tamra Balthazar looks like he has spied something he might want to investigate. šŗ 5y

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ā€They had spaced out along the bar stools incommunicative, maintaining the etiquette of men urinating together.ā€¯
1. This book just gets funnier; and
2. I‘m spending a ridiculous amount of time searching the web for old pictures to illustrate these quotes!
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LeahBergen I love old Western photos! 5y

Tamra Such a great pic! 5y

ljuliel Neat picture. 5y

Cathythoughts Brilliant picture 5y

Butterfinger I love how you do that. 5y

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Two great quotes: ā€There are enough old men claiming to be colonels around the South these days to make you think the Confederate Army had only one rank other than generalā€¯ and ā€And of course I misjudged the degree of rancor between North and South and reckoned in ā€62 that the Union splitting in twain would be no more bloody than when the Methodists did it in ā€44.ā€¯ #13moonsbuddyread @megnews @CoffeeNBooks @sblbooks

megnews Both great quotes. 5y

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Hey everybody, we‘re going into our last week of #13MoonsBuddyRead. I‘m only 1 chapter behind schedule and expect to finish on time and get questions posted early next week. Don‘t forget, next month‘s #buddyread is The Night Olivia Fell by Christina McDonald. Watch for @sblbooks to post the suggested reading schedule soon. Anyone‘s welcome to join!

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sblbooks I'm almost finished I have 1 hour and 5 minutes left. 5y

Lcsmcat Loving this book! 5y

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Lcsmcat I loved this section, and the scene of Will and Bear trying out different versions of Charley‘s story! 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat I loved where Will makes up all the craziness for the reporters and they believe and report it! š‚ 5y

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sblbooks This book has some good quotes, but overall I'm struggling to get through it. 4 hours to go. 5y

Lcsmcat Such a true quote. And @sblbooks, I hope you stick with it and find the beauty in Frazier‘s prose. (edited) 5y

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Good advice. Too bad it came from Featherstone. #13moonsbuddyread @megnews

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Lcsmcat I love how he calls Jackson ā€Old Possum Head.ā€¯ I‘ll never look at a $20 bill the same now. š‚ 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat š‚ Jackson was truly awful and it‘s interesting our current president reveres him and considers himself like him. 5y

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ā€We would walk a mile to catch a horse in order to ride a hundred yards.ā€¯ #13moonsbuddyread @megnews

Tamra So true! š 5y

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ā€History in the making, at least on the personal level, is almost exclusively pathetic. People suffer and die in ignorance and delusion.ā€¯ #13moonsbuddyread

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I definitely found this week's section more interesting than last week's, and I'm looking forward to continuing on to see where the story goes next! #13MoonsBuddyRead @megnews @sblbooks

megnews Glad you stuck with it and are liking it more. 5y

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The business being politics.
ā€They were artists of misdirection as sure as any thimblerigger shifting his three shells and one wizened pea.ā€¯
Politics sure hasn‘t changed much.

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Lcsmcat Plus ça change, plus c‘est le même chose. 5y

megnews @lmsmcat š‘¨š¸» or in this case š‘ˇš¸» 5y

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I love all the descriptions of reading in this book.

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The descriptions of the moons are beautiful & haunting.

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Lcsmcat My husband is fascinated with the names for the different full moons of the year, so he‘s always looking them up. Snow moon is pretty obvious, but some of them are harder to figure. 5y

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Can almost picture the painting.

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Lcsmcat I‘ve been reading Willa Cather over the last several months for the #catherbuddyread and Frazier strikes me as having a similar talent for describing ā€placeā€¯ so that the reader is immersed in it. Landscape is almost a character. 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat the only thing I‘ve read by her is O Pioneers! I vaguely recall what you‘re talking about. When I was young I was impatient with such descriptions but I really love them now. 5y

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Lcsmcat Caught me by surprise too! 5y

CoffeeNBooks I didn't expect that, either! 5y

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megnews I almost posted this one too. 5y

sblbooks @megnews Great minds think alike. 5y

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Too many beautiful descriptions of nature to share them all

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Lcsmcat I know! I kept thinking ā€I should post this quoteā€¯ over and over! (I think you might have tagged the wrong book, though.) 5y

sblbooks True 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat I did tag the wrong one!! Thanks!! 5y

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ā€Washington City was being built on a landscape of utter insignificance, a mudflat by the river barely elevated above sea level, with a midsized southern town arising on it, with the distinguishing addition of a few half-formed classical temples of enormous scale, in such a state of partiality that it was hard at first glance to tell whether they were falling or rising.ā€¯ #13moonsbuddyread @megnews

Aimeesue Still true! 5y

megnews I enjoyed reading about his time in Washington City. The descriptions of the politics, always strikes me our notions that politicians used to be better, more respectable is inaccurate. And the ease with which the average citizen could enter the White House and see the President has always struck me as amazing. 5y

Lcsmcat @megnews I went to college in that area in the 80‘s and while you couldn‘t get to the president the federal buildings were much more open then. We once walked into the Federal Office Building around 10pm (by accident) and got pretty far before a guard stopped us. 5y

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I think Anne would call that a kindred spirit.

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It‘s hard to imagine the U.S. so sparsely populated and developed as it was at this time.

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Lcsmcat Unless you‘ve been out west. But I can‘t picture NC or TN this unpopulated! 5y

megnews @Lcsmcat True. I‘ve only been to Seattle though. Spent many summers in NC and can‘t imagine it. 5y

Lcsmcat @megnews I lived in UT for 22 years, and there are still places like this. But I‘m a NC native, and back living in NC, and you‘d be hard pressed to get that far away from people now! 5y

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Hooked_on_books Go to Wyoming sometime. Try to avoid the politics, but you‘ll find lots of wide open spaces and few people. Plus much of it is beautiful. I love that we can still find these placesā€”they aren‘t all lost. (And if I can get it together, I‘ll be joining the buddy read.) 5y

Crazeedi I love where I live, it's not empty, but since we live 1/2 mile off main road and its farmland and woods all around our house. Quiet, peaceful, serene 5y

megnews @crazeedi Sounds so peaceful 5y

megnews @Hooked_on_books I do hope to get out West someday. Great to have you join us if you can! (edited) 5y

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