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Educated: A Memoir | Tara Westover
An unforgettable memoir in the tradition of The Glass Castle about a young girl who, kept out of school, leaves her survivalist family and goes on to earn a PhD from Cambridge University Tara Westover was seventeen the first time she set foot in a classroom. Born to survivalists in the mountains of Idaho, she prepared for the end of the world by stockpiling home-canned peaches and sleeping with her head-for-the-hills bag. In the summer she stewed herbs for her mother, a midwife and healer, and in the winter she salvaged in her fathers junkyard. Her father forbade hospitals, so Tara never saw a doctor or nurse. Gashes and concussions, even burns from explosions, were all treated at home with herbalism. The family was so isolated from mainstream society that there was no one to ensure the children received an education, and no one to intervene when one of Taras older brothers became violent. Then, lacking any formal education, Tara began to educate herself. She taught herself enough mathematics and grammar to be admitted to Brigham Young University, where she studied history, learning for the first time about important world events like the Holocaust and the civil rights movement. Her quest for knowledge transformed her, taking her over oceans and across continents, to Harvard and to Cambridge. Only then would she wonder if shed traveled too far, if there was still a way home. Educated is an account of the struggle for self-invention. It is a tale of fierce family loyalty, and of the grief that comes with severing the closest of ties. With the acute insight that distinguishes all great writers, Westover has crafted a universal coming-of-age story that gets to the heart of what an education is and what it offers: the perspective to see ones life through new eyes, and the will to change it. Advance praise for Educated Powerful, moving, brave, naked and completely at home in its form, Tara Westovers Educated gives us homegrown American originals, who find their Mormon congregation too conventional, and raise their children on a western mountain, refusing them birth certificates and not allowing them to attend school. This is a daughters story of how she grew into herself and comes to understand her home. This book would be far less harrowing if it were a novel.Mona Simpson, author of Casebook and Anywhere But Here A punch to the gut, a slow burn, a savage indictment, a love letter: Educated somehow contrives to be all these things at once. Tara Westover guides us through the extraordinary western landscape of her coming of age and in clear, tender prose makes us feel what she felt growing up among fanatics.Claire Dederer, author of Love and Trouble
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monalyisha
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Did you love “Educated”?

How do *you* respond to people who say, “I don‘t know if I believe it” (& therefore, I don‘t love it)?

IvoryLunatic I say that this is a memoir, not an autobiography. Different people remember the same situations differently, especially years later. They often also remember emotions better than the details of the situations. So you have to take these kinds of books with a grain of salt but that doesn‘t make those memories any less real for the people living them, especially the traumatic ones. 20h
Amiable @IvoryLunatic Great answer! 20h
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cathipink I did not like this book at all, but not because of disbelief (I think all of these things likely did happen - just because it feels unreal doesn't mean it is). Everyone has their own story, and lack of corroboration doesn't make it untrue. 19h
8little_paws You go down a dangerous path when you go searching for factual verification of memoir. Assume your narrator is unreliable. Is it still a compelling look at the internal/external life of an individual? 18h
PerksOfBeingABookworm @IvoryLunatic that‘s a great response! 18h
Ruthiella I thought the author was pretty clear that she was working from her own memory and it didn‘t always jive with that of her siblings. I appreciated that she pointed it out. Even in happier families this difference in how we recall events happens... 17h
IvoryLunatic @Ruthiella I forgot about that! I did appreciate that too as I was reading it. 17h
monalyisha @IvoryLunatic @cathipink @8little_paws @Ruthiella Yes. When asked if I thought it was true/if I believed her, I responded that I do believe that she experienced neglect & trauma (regardless of the details), & also that the credibility of her story wasn‘t primary to my experience of it. I think it‘s an impactful story &, more importantly for this type of discussion, well-told. I thought her language was just gorgeous. 16h
8little_paws Also, remember this scandal? I don't think you can really get away with a totally fabricated memoir any more. There has to be some basis in reality. 13h
EKonrad I‘ve been surprised by the amount of people who question her authenticity. I definitely believed the important parts...who cares if she wasn‘t completely accurate on minor details? It‘s still a fascinating story. 6h
monalyisha @EKonrad Right?! Maybe I need to read more about it. Because from what I currently understand, people are questioning her largely because the family members she named as her abusers have accused her of making stuff up? Somehow that doesn‘t *quite* seem substantial to me. It makes me (perhaps a little too) angry & I have to suppress the urge to shout, “BELIEVE WOMEN!” at unsuspecting, fellow readers who should be friends not foes. (edited) 6h
EKonrad Agreed!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 6h
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Tiffiney
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This was the location of tonight‘s book club...sushi with a view 🍣🍷📚

marleed So beautiful! 1d
Tiffiney @marleed new restaurant...we loved it! 1d
TrishB Lovely 💕 1d
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bookladyreads That is nice! Book club ambience. 16h
Tiffiney @bookladyreads we sat on the back patio...nice breeze...it was perfect! 16h
CoffeeNBooks Welcome to Litsy! 📚 10h
Tiffiney @CoffeeNBooks thanks ☺️ 9h
bookladyreads @Tiffiney That sounds lovely. I always opt to read outside (or discuss books) if the weather is nice. I'm looking for an IRL bookclub. 7h
MrBook Wow!!! That‘s awesome! 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 7h
Tiffiney @bookladyreads you should start one! We‘ve been doing this for about 5 or 6 years now...I look forward to it every month! 7h
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Zoes_Human
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“I began to experience the most powerful advantage of money: the ability to think of things besides money.”

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Tiffiney
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Mehso-so

I can't decide how I feel about this book. I found it incredibly disturbing! It's well written...but I had a hard time sitting through it. I hated her family, and found myself wanting to smack her a time or 2. I'm gonna have to give it a so-so rating 😕

Bklover Welcome to Litsy! 2d
Tiffiney @Bklover Thanks! I'm excited about interacting
with my fellow book nerds! 🤓
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Bklover This place is wonderful! So much going on and so many things to do! 2d
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mandi1082
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If you read one memoir this year this should be it! I found this intriguing and fascinating. A woman who practically was brought up with little to no education and goes out and concurs everything she set up herself to do. In this memoir you find out about her family life and the physical and mental abuse she had to go through with her brother and her father. Her mother who tried to be there for her but kept held back by her religion and her faith.

mandi1082 Tara Westover proves you can be anything if you put your mind to it and fight for it!!! 4d
Megabooks Cute sleeve!! 4d
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GypsyKat
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This is one of those memoirs that‘s going to stick with me. Interesting story about an off the grid survivalist family that doesn‘t believe in education or modern medicine. Definitely tough subject matter to read at times, but still a book I would recommend.

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GypsyKat
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I‘ve been listening to this audiobook today, and I already want to call CPS.

Smrloomis YUP 😣 6d
Suet624 😂😂 yeah. 6d
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Julz422
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This book is SO GOOD. I can‘t believe her story is real. She‘s an inspiration and a survivor. She‘s a great writer and her story is tragic but also transcendent. I found out after I picked this up that half of the other teachers at school had read it and loved it, too. I can‘t say enough about how unbelievable her story is!

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underground_bks
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Second time reading! How a young woman, raised without modern medicine, schooling, or a birth certificate in a remote Mormon, survivalist household in Idaho, earned a PhD from Cambridge is an incredible story on its own. It is, however, Tara Westover's unflinching and authentic examination of her interior life and her education's impact on her relationship to herself and her family that makes this memoir so absorbing and important. A must read!

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TheNerdyProfessor
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WOW. Tara Westover spoke to my soul. My experience is no where near Tara's, but I related to her struggles to reconcile her multiple selves: before and after education. In my own life, it has been difficult to evaluate the values and "truths" of my childhood through the lense higher education affords. It isn't easy but there is beauty in the transformation. I devoured this book in one weekend. It's heartbreaking, gut wrenching, and inspiring.

cherinium I get you. A college education drove a wedge between myself and my family (immediate and extended). I am the only one that pursued education beyond high school (except an aunt who is also not well accepted in the family). It is very hard to relate to one another now. My life experiences since HS have just made me view the world very differently than they do. Tagged book explores a similar theme. I was born in the featured city. 1w
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Julz422
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Ive been so on the go lately. It‘s so nice to have a quiet AM to read as the summer winds down and there are hints of fall 📚📖🙌💕🍂☀️🍁

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TheNerdyProfessor
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This book feels like fiction. It actually reminds me quite a bit of Fourth of July Creek - except it's based on real events. Completely mind blowing.

*Miss Daphne refused to look at the camera even when I begged her 😂

Reviewsbylola Loved this book but yes, mind blowing! 2w
Catsandbooks Miss Daphne just wanted you to get her best angle 💖😂 2w
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MrsMalaprop Just discussed it at my book club last week 👍. 2w
LauraBeth Your cat is clearly a Queen! 👑 2w
Becker Love the pic 2w
Amor4Libros I finished this yesterday and my mind was blown! 2w
Twainy I enjoyed this book! I think I may still hate “Sean”. Thankfully It was recommended to me as nonfiction because I agree, it read like fiction. 2w
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Amor4Libros
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Why did I wait so long to read this?

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princesspeanutsmommy
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Current audiobook. Riveting.

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Twainy
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🎧 I almost gave up ... it seemed like Tara would make headway then fall back in with the family lies. That drove me crazy. As an outsider I was like NO! I felt I understood where she was coming from but argh!! How many times did you say WHY or NO! A couple of things felt unrealistic BUT they are very minor. I highly recommend this book! Julia Whelan is a great choice for narrator!! Thank you OverDrive! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️❣️

marleed I was questionable while reading but then I searched for her interviews. Seeing her speak and have no problems describing her perspective really helped me appreciate the book. 2w
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The skill I learned was a crucial one, the patience to read things I could not yet understand.

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AngieKWilson
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Such a great read! Read it in three nights! To see what she had to overcome for higher education! Definitely one I‘ll reread when I want to appreciate my upbringing. Read similar to the Glass Castle.

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Finished this audiobook while on vacation. Tara Westover tells the story of her Mormonist upbringing in Idaho. Dealing with her fathers survivalism and his alleged undiagnosed psychiatric illness, Tara is forced to strive for an education while trying to balance her families beliefs.
3.5/5🧨

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Faibka
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Hardcover book haul! Taking advantage of discounts at B&N

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Elle3
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“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” Hebrews 11:1
Tara quotes this as one of her favourite scriptures in an interview with Oprah. She describes it as being the intersection between faith and education conceiving of what is and how things could be. I am so grateful to have been recommended this as a read. Westover‘s memoir is compelling, powerful and inspiring. A must read.

Elle3 @SW-T thank you ☺️ I think I‘ll like it here! 2w
SW-T I‘m sure you will! Happy reading! 📚😊 2w
LitsyWelcomeWagon Welcome to Litsy! Here are links to #Litsytips: http://bit.ly/litsytips and #LitsyHowTo videos: goo.gl/UrCpoU. There‘s lots of fun things to do: book exchanges, buddy reads, photo challenges and more! @litsywelcomewagon 2w
StillLookingForCarmenSanDiego Welcome to Litsy 💖📖💖 2w
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Julz422
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Pretty alright Labor Day Weekend 🍷#VA

Reviewsbylola Looks perfect! 2w
Owlizabeth Jealoussssss 2w
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Butterflyamore
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August was a weird month for me, as far as reading goes. I started so many books but by the 18th, I‘d finished a total of three. I didn‘t expect to finish too many others before the month ended but by some miracle, I did complete five more novels plus one children‘s picture book. You can hear all about my August reads here: https://youtu.be/BWgsrFfI08k

#augustwrapup #booksreadinaugust #augustreads #bookreviews #readingvlog #booktube

EadieB @Butterflyamore Again, a very nice video! I would be interested in the Riley Sager books you mentioned. I haven‘t read any but I have been seeing his books a lot on Litsy. I mentioned before that I also loved 13th Tale. I will try Educated as I‘ve seen a lot of that book too. Possibly will read Hollow Kingdom as that seems really different. Not sure about the fantasy House of Salt & Sorrows. Will not read your 3 stars as I agree with your reviews. 2w
EadieB @Butterflyamore A lot of the books from August are mystery series that are buddy reads. My favorite are: Sean Duffy by Adrian McKinty which are all 5 stars Reads from me and Maeve Kerrigan by Jane Casey are excellent books too. Mo Hayder‘s Jack Cafferty series is very dark and horrific so some of her books are questionable but there are some aspects of her books that I need to know what‘s going to happen. 2w
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EadieB Started some new series: Locked In by Kerry Wilkinson which I loved and will continue. A Great Deliverance Inspector Lynsey series by Elizabeth George was great too. Murder in Marais by Cara Black was a 4 star read. Not as good as the others I mentioned but still ok. Also Buddy reads of all the books written by Ken Follett and Maeve Binchy have been excellent. Not happy with Susanna Gregory‘s A Conspiracy of Violence which is historical mystery. 2w
EadieB @Butterflysmore Excellent stand-alone is Say Nothing a history of The Troubles in Northern Ireland during the 70‘s and 80‘s which was most interesting. Lisa Jewell‘s I Found You was very good too. Crawdad‘s was good too but this book was over-hyped. Also read Fahrenheit 451 science fiction which was interesting and it‘s on the 1001 book list of books to read before you die. I‘ve read 236 of the 1001 books. Tiger Catcher by Paulina Simons was good. (edited) 2w
EadieB @Butterflyamore Tiger Catcher was a bit of a fantasy and magical romance (a NetGalley book). Recursion was science fiction and I wasn‘t sure about it but did give it 4 stars even though I don‘t really like science fiction but it ended up satisfying me in the end. So that‘s about it as I read 21 books which helped me catch up on my goal of 200 for this year. Mostly what I have in common with you is the psychological thrillers. 2w
Butterflyamore @EadieB It sounds like you read a lot of great things! I definitely want to read more by Lisa Jewell since reading The Family Upstairs. I am planning to read Fahrenheit 451 at some point. I liked what I read by Bradbury as a teen but I need to reread those at some point, too, because I barely remember them now. I will have to find that list and see how many I‘ve actually read on it. I don‘t think my number will be as high as yours! 2w
EadieB @Butterflyamore I started with around 50 books before I heard of the list but worked at reading more a few years back. You can google and find a list but here‘s a video that may give you some info: https://youtu.be/fmfBUXNeyHc 2w
Butterflyamore @EadieB Thank you for sharing the link! I think my husband has read a lot more from the list than I have. 2w
EadieB @Butterflyamore Yes, well you have plenty of time to catch up. I have found some very interesting ones and you can find some of my reviews on Goodreads as I am keeping track of my books there. I guess you will have to friend me at Eadie Burke. (edited) 2w
Butterflyamore @EadieB I sent a friend request. 😊 2w
EadieB @Butterflyamore I found you by using the link you supplied at the top of your Litsy. So all you have to do is accept my friendship. Ok done! We are now friends on Goodreads. (edited) 2w
Butterflyamore @EadieB Yay! I must have initially requested the wrong person. I wonder if she‘ll accept my request, too. Haha 2w
EadieB @Butterflyamore Oh that's funny! I do have a separate shelf for the 1001 books. (edited) 2w
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sprainedbrain I can‘t wait to hear what you think of it! 2w
Smrloomis @sprainedbrain I second that! 1w
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Reecaspieces
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These were my audible books for the month of August. Educated is fantastic. Stop by and tell me what you listened to this month. Inquiring minds want to know! https://reecaspieces.com/2019/09/01/audible-reads-for-august-5starreads-audioboo...

IvoryLunatic This is what I listened to this month. I definitely recommend it if you like learning about other countries and cultures. 2w
Reecaspieces @IvoryLunatic ooooo thank you!!! I will add it to my list!! 2w
Reecaspieces @IvoryLunatic just got it! Stay tuned 2w
IvoryLunatic @Reecaspieces awesome! Let me know what you think! It took me a little bit to start liking the narrator but he gets better throughout the story, in my opinion. He‘s great with different voices though! 2w
Reecaspieces @IvoryLunatic narrators can make or break a book!!! 2w
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rwmg
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Honourable mentions to "The Handmaid's Tale" and "All The Little Liars"

SharonAlger Great job! 3w
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BirdsandBelles
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Just got this through Audible. As a “retired” homeschooling mother of two very successful young women, I wonder if this might pinch even a little. I recognize this type of family from my experiences in the homeschooling community, but I want to believe we never drank the Kool-Aid. This is also my first audiobook. I have always loved having an actual book in hand, so we‘ll see how it goes. 📚

SamanthaMarie Welcome to Litsy :) 7d
Readswithcoffee Welcome to Litsy 👍🏻📚📚📚👍🏻 7d
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xxjenadanxx
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#summersendreadathon @Clwojick
Book #11
Hours read: 31:19

I had zero intentions of reading this but the hype machine wore me down and I'm glad for it.

This is the memoir of a girl fighting against all odds and successfully escaping an overzealous and dangerously religious upbringing and the manipulative men determined to maintain their control. It if also a story of resilience and self assurance and daring.

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xxjenadanxx
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More holds have arrived just in time for the long, hurricane filled weekend!

Top to Bottom:

House of Salt and Sorrow by Erin A Criag
The Lager Queen of Minnesota by J Ryan Stradal
Educated by Tara Westover

Amor4Libros I‘m listening to the audiobook for Educated, it‘s so good! 3w
AutumnRLS I enjoyed Educated and have heard good things about Salt and Sorrow. 3w
marleed Oh stay safe if you are in Dorian‘s path! 3w
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Butterflyamore
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I mainly listened to the audiobook version while following along or finishing chapters within my borrowed library copy. I‘ve no doubt that I will eventually purchase my own physical copy, as this is a book I absolutely need to own. I loved everything about it.

Full review here: https://www.facebook.com/262384764521804/posts/326621521431461?sfns=mo

Or follow me on Goodreads! Link in profile.

sblbooks This is on my September TBR, looking forward to it. 3w
Butterflyamore @sblbooks I hope you get as much out of it as I did! 3w
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Amor4Libros
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Current audiobook...not very far into it, but wow!

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SkeletonKey
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Currently listening to.

#memoir

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LoveToReadLiveToRead
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Just starting on this one. I‘ve got a few others on the go but we‘re reading this for book club and are meeting in just over a week so I thought I‘d better get cracking!
Anyone read it? I‘ve only heard good things so far.....🤞🏻

Oryx Loved this one 3w
Copwithabook It is amazing! I even gave a copy to a friend as a Christmas gift. 3w
Elle3 It‘s so so good you won‘t be disappointed! 3w
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MeganMadsen
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Having grown up in rural Idaho, I grew up aware of families like this. Westover‘s book paints the devastating effects of untreated mental illness, paranoia, and distrust of the outside world.

SamanthaMarie Welcome to Litsy, I grew up in Idaho!! :) 7d
MeganMadsen That‘s wild!! I grew up in the Panhandle, outside Coeur d‘ Alene. How about you? 3d
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I don‘t normally read nonfiction or biographies, but let me just say this book was a standout. I‘ve heard and read so much hype over this book that I decided to finally take the leap and give it a shot. When I found out my library had it I knew I needed to read it! What I didn‘t know was how moving this book would be. I was so heartbroken at many different times and I was rooting for Tara the entire time. Definite 5 stars! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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ReadingMidwife
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Is this book triggering to anyone else? No? Just me with the prepper, fundamentalist, delusional family members and the midwifery and the fear of prosecution? It had such a benign-looking cover. Comfort read after this one.

BirdsandBelles @ReadingMidwife I want to read this! 👍🏻 3w
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Jeg
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I‘m sitting outside on a beautiful day, sunny and no wind.Just finished this book for book club tonight. I‘ve read it before and went looking for my comments on here but not here. I am sure I didn‘t quite believe her with my last read.
This time I feel more open and I have to say she is amazing . The power and pull of the family.
Looking forward to discussion tonight. @MrsMalaprop

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Aim-eeToothpaste
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It was so slow at the beginning. I couldn't get into it... but after the foundation was laid... around pg 250... it was awesome. And if anyone would've told me getting her PhD was a giant part of it I'd have finished this book ages ago. Now back to dissertating!!!

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LiciaAZ
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I listened to the bulk of Educated on the plane home from Hawaii. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean I became, well, lost in Tara's world. Some people and situations brought back memories that I'd tucked away. However, I'm glad I read it. It's a beautiful memoir. It felt as though Tara put my thoughts to paper and eloquently articulated my own journey. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐/5

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StarryBrained
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She stopped wearing makeup, then she stopped apologizing for not wearing it.

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I had been educated in the rhythms of the mountain, rhythms in which change was never fundamental, only cyclical...Our lives were a cycle - the cycle of the day, the cycle of the seasons - circles of perpetual change that, when complete, meant nothing had changed at all. I believed my family was a part of this immortal pattern, that we were, in some sense, eternal. But eternity belonged only to the mountain.

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MrsMalaprop
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Wow! I‘ve seen this book around a lot and I‘m glad someone in my book club chose it so I could get on and read it. This memoir explores so many themes. Fascinating, devastating and triumphant. Can‘t wait to discuss it Monday night.

CarolynM When my book group talked about this one there was a lot of discussion podcasts of interviews with her while she was in Australia. I think the ABC conversation hour was one. It's not my thing but my friends had a lot to say about them. Just thought you might be interested if you haven't already heard them. 4w
The_Real_Nani Just really amazing the stuff she survived. I don‘t even know how... the car accidents?!?! Her poor mother. 4w
MrsMalaprop Thanks @CarolynM I just watched Oprah interview her! 4w
MrsMalaprop @The_Real_Nani I know! Talk about resilience 😳💪👏. 4w
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Christinak
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My current read for this months book club. I‘m having a hard time putting this down. I have this on audiobook as well and was not annoyed when I got stuck in traffic picking up my dog today. #OneMoreChapter
#Idaho
#nonfiction

MrsMalaprop I‘m reading it for book club too. 👍 4w
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Julz422
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End of summer means some back to school inspired reads

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MrsMalaprop
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Book, breakfast and sunshine on a Thursday morning. It‘s the end of winter and I can feel spring in those rays 🌞. Hope to finish this book club read today. 🤞

The_Real_Nani There was so much hype about this book, I almost didn‘t want to read it. But I‘m glad I did! I definitely did a lot of “WTF is happening here?!” while reading it. LOL 4w
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I‘ve seen a good deal of skepticism in Goodreads and Amazon reviews regarding the authenticity of this story. Living in southern Missouri, I have known lots of people like the author‘s father. Not all have the religious bent, some fall into the “sovereign citizen” category of paranoia. I also served in the military with home-schooled folk who had many of the same educational gaps as the author due to the extremist views of their parents. 👇🏻

Ericalambbrown None of this book sounded far-fetched to me given what I‘ve known people from these sorts of backgrounds to overcome. As a recovering Southern Baptist I‘ve even experienced some of the religious pushback she describes, though at a milder level. Excellent writing and narrative. If you aren‘t familiar with folks like these, try to keep an open mind because it could seem very illogical to typically raised people. (edited) 1mo
GingerAntics This is still on my wish list, but it‘s definitely realistic. Some people are scary in what they will prevent their children from knowing. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics The scariest part, from my experience, is that these folks honestly believe these delusions. I‘ve seen children almost die because parents are legitimately scared of antibiotics. Reading the book, I never once questioned whether or not the author‘s parents loved her. It was obvious they do. But they are so bound by their beliefs that it skewed their judgement in an abhorrent way. I hope you get to read it. (edited) 1mo
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GingerAntics Those parents always trouble me. We like to talk about love being enough, but in some cases like these is clearly is not. I‘ve seen so many kids/young adults hurt by madness like this and other extreme beliefs that seem to have no basis in fact. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics Right? And when those beliefs are tied to an ideology that threatens eternal damnation it can be so hard to overcome them. I have family that still worry for my soul because I accept the tenets of science and raised my daughter outside the church. It‘s maddening and frustrating as hell (pun intended 😂) but I know it comes from love and honest worry because they are frightened and trapped in dogma. 1mo
GingerAntics You are a bigger woman than I am. I just recently got out of the dogma circle I grew up in. Maybe I need more time away before I can be open to others still in it. It is really frustrating to talk to them because they believe so staunchly in this book written by a bunch of men that had none of the advances we‘ve seen in the last 3,000 years. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics Honestly, there‘s a lot I just can‘t talk to them about because of what you just described. I avoid a lot because I know some of my family would for real grieve if they really knew I left by choice and not laziness. I don‘t pretend, but I don‘t open up either. I‘ve learned to ignore a lot in the last 15 years. I‘ve also observed their growing bitterness and fear and that makes me sad for them. I hope time helps you as it did me. 1mo
GingerAntics Yeah, it‘s been less than a year for me, so you definitely have the advantage there. I already see that there are topics I just don‘t bring up or engage with depending on who I‘m talking to. I don‘t mind talking about “free will” or “the existence of an eternal soul” philosophically, but with some people there is no philosophy there. You do have to pick your battles. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics Yes. Yes, you do have to pick your battles. I just hope they don‘t hold an intervention for you like they did for me.🤣😂 That was infuriating! If you ever need a friendly ear, don‘t hesitate to hit me up. I use the same handle on goodreads and Instagram. Also on gmail. (edited) 1mo
GingerAntics An intervention? Wow. I‘ve never heard of a salvation intervention. Good lord. 1mo
Scochrane26 @GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown sorry to invite myself to your convo. I‘m sorry you both were raised in an environment w/ such rigid beliefs. I‘m fortunate that my parents decided to change churches (to Presbyterian) when I was young, or I might have been in the same boat. I was able to grow up in a church that allows questions, is accepting of everyone, & preaches love & peace. Hope you all can limit your exposure to negative family. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 I‘m glad there are still churches out there that haven‘t gone to the extreme. 1mo
Scochrane26 @GingerAntics Presbyterian USA, Lutheran, Episcopal, Anglican, most Methodists, disciples of Christ, Unitarian, etc. The more “liberal” churches. (edited) 1mo
Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 No apology necessary! Welcome to the convo! I can certainly respect empathetic people of faith even if I wasn‘t able to abide in my experience. I will say the Presbyterian churches in my area have done a great job of being an alternative shelter to the SBC and Assemblies of God dogma in my area (Springfield, MO, AoG world HQ). I appreciate that. Love & Peace to you, dear one. 😘 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 there are some. I feel like very few of them are in my area here in TX. My aunt is a priest for the Anglican Church, so I know they‘re definitely more liberal. I miss moderate human beings, honestly. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics so do I. Moderates are missing in so many areas of life nowadays. 1mo
Scochrane26 @GingerAntics I‘m in KY, which might be better than TX but only in the urban areas. I‘ve had a client whose husband abused her for yrs, then threatened her once w/ a gun. Her pastor came over & prayed for them instead of calling the police, then members of the church would call her saying she should go back to him. 🤦‍♀️ 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 yup, that‘s about what it‘s like here. Anything to protect the patriarchy and keep women out of control of their own lives. Hell, I have a “Christian councillor” tell me my sexual abuse wasn‘t actually abuse...it‘s just what old people do. 🙄 1mo
Scochrane26 @GingerAntics Ewwww. I get fired up when that kind of stuff is said. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 This rings SO true for me! I listened to a pastor say a wife in the congregation should be grateful for her two black eyes because her husband was in church that Sunday and him beating her brought him to church for the first time in months. That was one of many beginnings of my end in church. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 you and me both. I wanted to punch him in the face. I completely left that church (and all churches) after that. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics OMG!!! I searched for ages a secular counselor for this exact reason. I hear you! 😢 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I drank the koolade on this one. I believed I needed a Christian councillor, that a secular councillor was going to hurt me. 🙄 This dimwit put me into a 12 step program so I could find “my part” in my childhood abuse. I bought in until he said that, at which point I was done. I walked out and never went back. 1mo
Scochrane26 My church has had female pastors for about 20 yrs. it‘s gotten better, but there are still some pastors in my county who don‘t like that we have a female. I also have several female friends who are pastors. 1mo
Scochrane26 Are you sure the councillor had a degree in therapy? Sounds like a crackpot to me. @GingerAntics 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics I did too for a long time! I am sorry that happened to you but so glad you walked away. That whole situation is so hard to navigate. But keep going. Find a secular counselor that you like. It makes it easier. 1mo
Scochrane26 Also, I need to read Educated. It‘s been so hyped, but I haven‘t gotten around to reading it myself. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 yup, he actually had a couple of masters. He had a masters in theology, a masters in counselling. I think he let the theology over ride the counselling. When I left, he was working on another masters in Christian counselling, so I‘m sure that‘s where he was learning about the “over reporting” of sexual abuse. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 @GingerAntics Oh, there are SO many counselors that spout that crap. I‘ve witnessed it. In my area is super hard to find a non-religious counselor. It‘s hard for secular/non-religious counselors to get business here. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics what you describe is why I‘m considering getting my masters in counseling after my kid is through school and I can afford to make less. There is such a need. 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I think there are some options here in Dallas, but not many. Even when you think you‘ve found a secular/non-religious one, all of a sudden they pull some crap out of their back side. They‘ll claim to be impartial or non-religious, then pull some BS and you know they‘ve lied. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 the Bible Belt is a real “special” place. (edited) 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics not surprised one bit 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I really don‘t see how saying you‘re not when you are is ethical. I‘m glad you‘ve found one, though. (edited) 1mo
Scochrane26 @Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics it must be different in my state. I would consider myself a secular counselor because I don‘t talk about religion unless a client brings it up, which is rare. I do work w/ kids, & they‘ll sometimes ask questions or talk about church, but I‘m careful in what I say. I only know one person who has had a Christian counseling practice. Rules are in our ethics code (which should be same everywhere). 1mo
Scochrane26 Also, abuse is over reported?!!!! I worked with juvie sex offenders. Abuse is definitely under reported. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 I‘m surprised but happy to hear this about Kentucky! And I agree - abuse is underreported from my experience. I, and most I‘ve talked to, never reported. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 oh everyone with a clue knows it‘s under reported. I‘ve heard people say people, especially women, is abuse allegations to hurt men and go against “gods will.” They see a lot of it as a husband‘s/father‘s duty or right. 🙄 It‘s sickening. 1mo
Scochrane26 We do often ask about a person‘s spiritual beliefs, but that is because it‘s a factor in suicide risk & is sometimes a part of culture. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 I KNEW there was an ethical code. I‘m pretty sure they‘re violating a bunch of what‘s in that code. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 I totally get that. If you were counselling someone here, you‘d want to know where they were on the crazy spectrum religiously. That makes so much sense. 1mo
Scochrane26 @Ericalambbrown yes, I‘ve heard some horrific stories from my days w/ the offenders, including one where it was normal in the fam. Those parents went to jail. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 of course being sensitive to one‘s spiritual beliefs in counseling is so important. I respect that more than I can express. 💕 1mo
Scochrane26 @GingerAntics of course there‘s a code of ethics. At least in social work. I have to go to a 3 hr ethics training every 3 yrs for my license. I‘m sure psych and others have one, too. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 I know we had to take a “professional ethics” course when I was studying psychology, and they said something about continuing courses on ethics to get and remain licensed...but I also remember being told that anyone can open an office and offer counselling services without any kind of licensing in Texas. It‘s probably how these “Christian councillors” get away with their madness. 1mo
Scochrane26 @GingerAntics that‘s weird. Unless you‘re getting paid cash, you‘d have to have license in order to bill insurance. Anyone should make sure of credentials before starting counseling. I also have to have my license where clients can see it. 1mo
GingerAntics @Scochrane26 Texas has different laws. I think it protects these religious nuts. I‘m not sure how that works with insurance. I know a lot of places here go through medical, there will be one doctor in the practice that does all the billing. Others work on “donations.” 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics @Scochrane26 Missouri has religious protections, too. It‘s pretty much a free-for-all. All a provider has to do is claim religious exemption. I even had to change pediatricians to get my daughter the HPV vaccine here because her board certified pediatrician refused to give it on religious grounds - he said giving it was promoting promiscuous behavior. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 yup, that pretty much covers it. It‘s pathetic. That is one terrible paediatrician. Ugh. (edited) 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I didn‘t know Missouri was that bad. I thought that was out of the Bible Belt enough that people were a little saner. That is terrifying. These nuts are everywhere!!! 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics oh, no, honey! Springfield, MO is the world headquarters of the Assemblies of God. Check out Evangel University. Jerry Falwell graduated from the Bible Baptist College in Springfield before going on to found Liberty University. Look up College of the Ozarks just down the road in Point Lookout, MO - it‘s super creepy right wing religious. And Southwest Baptist in Bolivar, MO. We are just about evangelical central, darlin‘! 😘 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I am SO sorry. That is some massively crazy shite! So basically Missouri is the cradle (belt buckle?) of the Bible Belt then. That is horrendous. I am so sorry. 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics I actually joke about living in the buckle of the Bible Belt/Hee Haw Hell. 😂 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown 🤣😂🤣 NAILED IT!!! 1mo
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics oooohhhh! And how could I forget this! Remember Jim Bakker from the 80‘s PTL scandal? He‘s running almost the same scam with his second wife, Tammy Faye 2.0, out of Branson, MO. His paid programming bilks thousands from shut ins selling “end of the world” supplies every day. 1mo
GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown that just disgusts me... scamming people and breaking the law is the will of god?! Their god is an absolute a-hole. (edited) 1mo
GingerAntics I just followed you on IG. I have the same profile picture on there as on here. 4w
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics yay! I followed you back! 4w
GingerAntics Ah, there it is. Missouri‘s total abortion ban after 8 weeks knocked down by a federal judge. I‘m having to redefine the Bible Belt in my brain now. 3w
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics oh yeah . . . And most counties have “in god we trust” on their cop cars. 3w
GingerAntics So if I don‘t believe in God, they won‘t help me? 3w
Ericalambbrown @GingerAntics They‘ll help you, but if you wind up dead they‘ll say it‘s what god has planned. 😐 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-missing-3-year... 3w
GingerAntics That‘s just disturbing. Then why bother arresting people for murder. It‘s what god had planned. 🙄 3w
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Absolutely true. I'm sure we can all relate to this statement. 🙋‍♀️

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Educated: A Memoir | Tara Westover
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I have looked at this cover probably 100 times, but it wasn't until today that I really looked at it. I am so embarrassed that I have NEVER noticed the details before! I just thought it was a pencil ✏️😶🤷‍♀️

TheBookAddict Oh my goodness, I also thought it was just a pencil! I‘ll have to go look at my copy. 1mo
Blaire I also thought it was just a pencil! Thanks for pointing this out. So cool. 1mo
Book_Fairy_Mary @TheBookAddict @Blaire yay!I'm so glad I'm not alone! Cool, right?! 1mo
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What an amazing true story that reads like fiction! I couldn‘t put this book down. In many way, Westover‘s childhood is what you expect it to be: abusive, isolated, unhealthy. But in other ways, her family gave her the ability and the skills to become the amazing person and academic she has grown to be. Westover writes intelligently about abuse, family, mental illness, and freedom. I cant recommend this book enough.

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Finally jumping into Educated! Hope I love it as much as the patrons at the library do!