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BarbaraJean
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“What can you have to attach you so strongly to life?”
“Ah, a thousand reasons...the air—the sky—the morning—the evening—the moonlight...the fine architecture of Paris to study...more than I can tell. Anaxagoras used to say he had come into the world to admire the sun. And then I have the felicity of passing the whole of my days, from morning to night, with a man of genius—no other than I myself—and that‘s very agreeable.”

😂 #hugonuts

Lcsmcat I love this section! 2d
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Lcsmcat
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Just starting Book 10, and look @Graywacke Hugo knew what you were thinking about Gringoire. 😀 #hugonuts

Graywacke 🤣 🤣 🤣 4d
Graywacke Thank you. You‘re timing is perfect. 🙂 4d
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Daisey
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I realized this morning that I was a book behind schedule. Luckily, it was a rainy Saturday and Book 9 was short enough I could fit it all in today.

Since Gringoire has failed to appear recently and Quasimodo is finally demonstrating his compassionate side, my favorite characters are currently Quasimodo & Djali (the goat deserves more words).

Also this quote caught my attention as an interesting description of love.

#Hugonuts #SerialReader

Daisey “Love is like a tree; it sprouts forth of itself, sends its roots out deeply through our whole being, and often continues to flourish greenly over a heart in ruins.

And the inexplicable point about it is that the more blind is this passion, the more tenacious it is. It is never more solid than when it has no reason in it.”
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Lcsmcat I noted that quote too, along with this one: “It was two extremes of wretchedness, of nature and of society, meeting and helping each other.” 4d
tournevis "The goat deserves more words." ? 4d
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tpixie @Daisey that‘s an awesome quote! 4d
tpixie @Lcsmcat another great quote! 4d
tpixie @tournevis lol a 3rd great quote! Lol 😂 4d
Daisey @Lcsmcat That one caused me to pause in my reading as well. 4d
Daisey @tournevis It‘s so true! I‘m constantly thinking I want to hear more details about the goat‘s escapades. 🐐 4d
TheDoctor What app/program do you use for tracking the percentage of books read? 4d
Daisey @TheDoctor This is a screenshot from Serial Reader, an app that divides classics into approximately 10-15 minute reading sections daily. It‘s free just to read daily or you can pay to read ahead and have notes, etc. After each section read it gives you a little congratulatory message and tracks your percentage complete. 4d
TheDoctor Thank you for a long, comprehensive answer! I think I will try it out. 4d
JazzFeathers 😍 4d
tournevis @Daisey I don't disagree, at all, but of all the commentaries I have ever seen about Notre-Dame-de-Paris, "The goat needs more words" is a first for me. ??? 4d
tournevis @tpixie 🤣🤣🤣 4d
BarbaraJean You‘re not alone... I just discovered that Gringoire apparently misses Djali more than Esmeralda: “He did not even feel tempted to go and see her there. He sometimes thought of the little goat, and that was all.” 💜🐐 3d
Daisey @BarbaraJean I just read that today as well. Really, Djali is often my favorite part! 💕 🐐 3d
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Lcsmcat
The Hunchback of Notre-Dame | Victor Hugo, Frederic Shoberl
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Good morning #hugonuts! Books 8 and 9 are more action packed than previous books, but still give us lots to think about . Frollo- over-the-top, or accurate portrayal of a stalker/abuser? Quasimodo- after seeing the “monster” side of his personality earlier, how do you feel about this sad, gentle side? And I know she‘s naive, but really Esmeralda? You still think Phoebus hung the moon?

Graywacke They‘re maybe all over the top. 🙂 I thought book viii was terrific. Had trouble with some of the randomness of book ix. 5d
BookwormAHN I think they are all overly dramatic, but Esmeralda drives me nuts. 5d
tournevis This is the point in the book where I want to yell at Hugo to get to the point already, despite knowing he has *12012* pages of exposition yet to explain to me just how bad a capital sin lust is. But this is me as someone who's read it before. There is more action in the upcoming pages though. 5d
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jewright I feel sorry for Quasimodo. He needs help with communication, counseling, and social services. No one has ever given him a chance. I just want to smack Esmerelda. Phoebus is not worth her time. And I think Hugo has a foot fetish. I‘m never recommending this book to anyone who hates feet. Overall though, this part of the book was great. I read it all at once because I wanted to know what happened next. 5d
Graywacke @BookwormAHN Esmeralda is so frustrating. 5d
Graywacke @tournevis That was me in book iii. (But it‘s my first time reading) (sorry all, hit send instead of the autofill) (edited) 5d
BarbaraJean @jewright Now I really want to read those imaginary deleted chapters—“Social Services Visits Notre Dame” and “The Frollo Family Goes to Therapy.” 5d
BarbaraJean I agree with @Graywacke and @BookwormAHN that they‘re all over the top! But some of Claude‘s patterns of thought struck me as a fairly accurate portrayal of an incel (though ironically it was not involuntary for him!). The blaming and shaming he does seem eerily similar to present day slut-shaming and “she was asking for it” justifications—blaming women for inciting and then not accommodating male lust. 5d
Lcsmcat @BarbaraJean You‘ll have to write those chapters! 😀 5d
Lcsmcat @BarbaraJean I found it way too accurate. The whole “if I can‘t have you no one can” is so chilling, and yet we hear it from domestic abusers all the time. Frollo just wasn‘t very good at the murder part where Phoebus was concerned. 5d
tournevis @BarbaraJean @jewright *snort snort snort* 5d
Graywacke @jewright funny! I wanted to smack Esmeralda too. She‘s suddenly such a ... teenager. 5d
Graywacke @BarbaraJean @BookwormAHN @Lcsmcat - incel - ew. Scary how accurate. Leaves me wondering how sympathetic Hugo was vs how much is tongue-and-cheek. It‘s like Claude has no idea he‘s the cause. (edited) 5d
Graywacke Random thoughts: (1) the court room scene was very entertaining, especially the description of the prosecutor‘s use of Latin. (2) We haven‘t heard Quasimodo really talk before this. I thought it was kind of interesting and unexpected. Had me thinking of Frankenstein‘s monster. (3) Hugo goes psychological. I thought Esmeralda‘s perspective of in prison was terrifically done. And there‘s Claude‘s fever - curious at least. 5d
Graywacke (4) why does no one try to visit Esmeralda in sanctuary? Not even Gringoire... 5d
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I thought the prison scene and Frollo‘s crazed running from Paris were both viscerally written. I‘m not sure about the rules of Sanctuary, but since Quasimodo told her to stay in the room during the day but told her she was free to move about the cathedral at night, I assumed it wasn‘t fool-proof. 5d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat I thought Gringoire should have a least checked. It‘s not like he doesn‘t know the place... 4d
Lcsmcat @Graywacke But that would imply that he cared about someone other than himself. And Quasimodo seems to be the only character capable of that. 4d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat hmm. Wow, this is true. Just obsessions (which are essentially self-centered) and indifference. Hadn‘t noticed. 4d
Daisey @BookwormAHN I'm finding Esmeralda incredibly frustrating as well. I keep thinking that growing up as she has she should be more aware which makes it even worse! 4d
Daisey @Graywacke I had this same question about Gringoire. I kept expecting him to show up through Book IX. 4d
Daisey @BarbaraJean I so want to see these chapters now that you've named them! 4d
Daisey I do like finally seeing this side of Quasimodo, although it's also incredibly sad to consider how he thinks of himself and others. As this is the first time I've read the book, that gentle persona is what I was kind of expecting and it seemed to be a long time coming. 4d
Lcsmcat I like how we‘re treating these 15th century characters as if they lived now. Maybe one of us needs to do an update, kind of like the Hogarth Shakespeare series. 4d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat started to think about this and how naturally the cathedral would morph into a virtual thing....and then Ready Player One came to mind - cathedral is virtual world, Esmeralda is Artemis, the bad guy is the Archdeacon, Hunchback would be...hmm... H? (Guess this doesn‘t make sense of you haven‘t read the book or seen the movie) I guess that‘s a scifi, not real world current setting. Anyway, was fun to think through. 4d
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Graywacke
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Ok Vic, what next disturbing fetish will you take out on poor Esmeralda? Seriously. (I‘m reading in an empty conference room while my son has Bar Mitzvah training...) #hugonuts

tournevis 😂😂😂😂 6d
Lcsmcat If he wanted to make a twisted character, he succeeded with Frollo! 6d
Graywacke @tournevis no, seriously!! 🙂 6d
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Graywacke @Lcsmcat lasciate ogni speranza indeed. But Frollo is a terrifically quirky twisted character. 6d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat or maybe he‘s just a common crazed stalker... 6d
Lcsmcat @Graywacke Can we go with both?! 6d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat yes, well maybe. I‘m leaning towards the second one. 6d
jewright I think Hugo must have had a foot fetish. 6d
Graywacke @jewright yeah, I think he did too... 6d
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Lcsmcat
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Fleur de Lys‘ Mother. 🤷🏻‍♀️ We‘renearing the finish line #hugonuts. I can‘t wait for this weekend‘s discussion.

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Lcsmcat
Notre Dame de Paris | Victor Hugo
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Book 7: A lot more action, and less architecture. 😀 Frollos, Jehan or Claude, are in the middle of everything this time. Has your opinion of either character changed? Were you more surprised by Esmeralda‘s initially rebuffing Phoebus or by her sudden capitulation? And what is it about her that has three such different men obsessed with her? #hugonuts

Daisey This section definitely kept my interest and attention more. My opinion of Jehan has not changed, Claude is still a strange character and probably more unlikeable to me, and I was completely baffled by Esmeralda‘s capitulation. I can‘t say I‘m really liking any of the characters at the moment, except maybe Gringoire and Djali. 2w
jewright It‘s the goat! Honestly, Esmeralda seems just to have that quality that makes people fall in love with her, and she‘s beautiful. She‘s different from the other women as we see in the rooftop scene. I‘m not super surprised by her capitulation. She likes Phoebus, and he rescued her earlier. I was really grossed out by the description of the room. I liked Claude more when he rescued Quasimodo, and I like him less and less as the book goes on. 2w
jewright I am worried about where this is going. I think Esmeralda is in big trouble now. Thanks so much, Claude. 2w
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Lcsmcat @jewright I was not surprised _that_ she capitulated, but I was surprised at how quickly. She really believed that she had to remain a virgin in order to find her mother, and she gives that up for a pretty face! Djali is the best, but I also enjoyed the image of Gringoire with a chair in his mouth and a cat on the chair. After all his putting on airs about his plat in the beginning. 2w
BookwormAHN Esmeralda gripes me. I wasn't too surprised by how quickly she gave in. As for characters I like Djali the best, although Gringoire's change in attitude is quite entertaining. 2w
tournevis Hugo is showing his hand. He believes Man is inherently bad and cannot escape their lust, and poor Esmeralda will pay for it. Of course @jewright she is in trouble. Since he's writing a medieval tale, morality plays an even greater part of the book than say in Nana, where the titular dissolute woman is fated to be punished for having sex too. Hugo likes to write romantic tragedies. Long-winded, payed by the word tragedies. 2w
Graywacke No surprised all the men love Esmeralda, but I was disappointed she lost self confidence around Phoebus and just weekly, limply followed his transparent player spiel. (Although it was a little funny when he slipped and said “All women like that.”) She seemed out of character. I thought everyone else stays in character. I think Hugo is having fun here. It‘s entertaining, but needs the humor to keep us from rolling our eyes at the silly parts. 2w
Graywacke Claude‘s indifference to Gringoire‘s straights or Jehan‘s self-destruction, but obsession with Esmeralda is curious. He‘s morality seems to come from his repressed sex drive... 2w
TheBookHippie Esmeralda seems to have the “it” quality like a lot of doomed movie starlets do however she baffles me as well... use your backbone !!! Ugh. I like Djali Gringoire ... I am worried where this is headed ...I echo that Hugo is enjoying the writing of this section. After all I enjoyed it though maddening in parts. 2w
tournevis @Graywacke That's exactly what Hugo is saying. Right there. 2w
suvata What surprised me the most in this section was the torture of Esmerelda. They believed it would cause her to tell the truth when, in fact, it only made her lie in order to stop the torture. Phoebus‘ reaction shocked me too when he walked away from Esmeralda‘s hanging. 2w
Lcsmcat @suvata You‘re ahead of schedule. You might want to put a spoiler tag on it. 2w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I agree - Hugo sets Esmeralda up one way and then, for plot convenience, makes her behave differently. 2w
Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie His word play does keep me entertained and engaged. 2w
BarbaraJean @Lcsmcat @Graywacke I agree—Esmeralda‘s capitulation felt like a character reversal for plot convenience. And I found it so odd how she was so lost in her thoughts that she—repeatedly—didn‘t notice Phoebus taking her clothes off! It was played for humor & comes in handy to keep her around for the end of the scene, but it seems like a coping mechanism—retreating inside herself. I‘m sure that‘s not what‘s intended, but that‘s how it strikes me now! 2w
BarbaraJean Jehan continues to annoy me! And my curiosity about Claude has soured. It makes sense that repressed desire could torture someone into obsession & then violence. But it‘s troubling that he uses his brother as a prop to get to Esmeralda, and he doesn‘t step in to prevent Jehan‘s drinking away all the money he just gave him! I mean, there‘s a bit of hesitation, but he basically just steps over his brother, drunk in the gutter, to follow Phoebus. 2w
Lcsmcat @BarbaraJean Yes, Claude‘s behavior bothered me too. I‘m seeing Claude as an obsessive personality. First he‘s obsessed with raising his brother, then alchemy, then Esmeralda, etc. (edited) 2w
suvata @Lcsmcat oops thanks 2w
Lcsmcat @suvata No worries! If I weren‘t hosting I‘d be reading ahead too! 2w
Graywacke @BarbaraJean have to admit I like Jehan. He‘s pathetic but harmless and entertaining in his effortless Latin and Greek knowledge. He‘s like a Latin and Greek spouting Spicoli (Sean Penn in Fast Times at Ridgemont High). Actually now I‘m imagining a Latin and Greek spouting Spicoli... 2w
Graywacke @Lcsmcat I noticed we lost some Hugonuts in books 3-5. The last two books have been much easier and, for me at least, much more entertaining reading. But I suspect Hugo was partial to the Parisian digressions. ?? 2w
Graywacke Sometimes I need restraints. Sorry, one more extra comment. Gringoire, the philosopher and playwright, and Jehan, the linguist, together are quite the mockery of the classical education. 2w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke It always makes me a little sad when a work I love doesn‘t click with someone, but I hope they‘ll try it again later and find it works. And maybe some of them are just behind schedule due to life. 2w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke Also, I agree about the pot shots at education. Because he was an army brat they moved a lot, and his parents had radically different political and religious ideas from each other. So I think his own education was unusual. 2w
Graywacke @Lcsmcat understand about it making you a little sad. We‘re all different readers, but still, we like to share our joy of reading and it‘s just sad when what we enjoy is unpleasant for someone else. Of course, with literature there are these extra complexities. 2w
Graywacke @Lcsmcat interesting about Hugo‘s childhood and education. Do you or anyone else here know of a good biography of Hugo? 2w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I‘ve not read one - I just did a little research online to complement the intro in my edition of the book. 2w
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jewright
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Love this bit of humor here. #hugonuts

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BookwormAHN
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Mehso-so

This book was really hard to get into. I ended up switching to the audio book about a quarter of the way in. The French pronunciations and the architecture lessons were killing me. The story itself was okay. Disney really got it wrong and the horror movies weren't any better. I'm glad I read it even though I didn't particularly care for it 🐐
#HugoNuts @Lcsmcat
9th book for #BFC #bookfitnesschallenge @wanderinglynn

wanderinglynn Sorry it was kind of a dud for you. But wayto go on your book goal! 🙌🏻 2w
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jmtrivera
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Tomorrow is the last class day, and then I can stop grading and return to #Hugonuts and #HalfBloodBingo and my TBR! I've fallen so far behind!

Lcsmcat Yay summer break! 2w
jmtrivera @Lcsmcat I know... it feels like the longest week EVER while I wait! 😁 2w
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