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Philosophical cats: is the box half empty or half full? Either way there‘s room for cat.
Is the food dish half empty or half full? I can see the bottom! Starvation is imminent.
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ravenlee Also, I confused my buddy reads and read two chapters instead of one and couldn‘t figure out how the book was going to last into October at that rate…because it isn‘t at that rate…🤦🏻‍♀️ 6d
RaeLovesToRead I love this picture!!!! I would say the box was completely full 😋 6d
ravenlee @RaeLovesToRead this particular box is a bit overfull, as it was about three inches tall when it was intact…but he‘s happy 🤷🏻‍♀️ 6d
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RaeLovesToRead So cute 😊💕 6d
FlowerFairy Recently purchased our new kitten a bed. She has yet to touch it. Loves her Amazon box, though. 🤣 6d
MegaWhoppingCosmicBookwyrm Lol, our cat definitely thinks she‘s going to starve if she catches even a glimpse of the bottom of the bowl. 🤣😂 6d
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ravenlee I think it‘s easy to get bogged down in fatalism, get overwhelmed by the odds - so much of what we‘ve discussed before, in the limits of free will and such. Then, yes, there‘s melancholy. But if we acknowledge the cruddy situation and still work to make the best of it for ourselves and those around us, there‘s reason for hope and optimism. 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee I like that view much better. I think there is certainly room to recognise that things can and do suck. I think the “everything‘s great and always awesome” camp is just as toxic as the “everything sucks and nothing matters” camp. I think the whole point is to find that happy medium, like you say. It‘s important to acknowledge both sides of life, I guess. Some (most? all?) of the philosophers in this chapter did NOT get that memo. 6d
ravenlee Yes, toxic optimism. The people who talk about “first-world problems” like you can‘t be upset about anything just because other people have it worse. The ones who want to know what you‘re doing for self-care because it‘s SOOO important but ignore all the genuine problems that are causing the stress in the first place. 6d
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GingerAntics @ravenlee yes to all of that! First world problems (for joke sake) are like “I wish my phone did this,” but that‘s not to say people in the first world don‘t actually have problems. 6d
ravenlee Exactly! Like, “I dropped my phone and the screen cracked so it‘s barely usable but I can‘t afford $700 for a new one” is indeed a first-world problem - but it‘s for someone who needs a usable phone to be contacted about work, housing opportunities, family emergencies, and so on, it‘s still very much a problem! 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee exactly! I just dropped my phone and the screen is cracked so it‘s barely useable, but don‘t worry daddy will buy me a new one on the way home from work” is absolutely a genuine first world problem in the joke sense. 🙄 5d
TheBookHippie I always think of Anne of Green Gables when melancholy is mentioned!!!! 16h
TheBookHippie I think people miss joy. Joy and peace are not feelings they are a way of spirit in the midst of it all burning down around us. 16h
TheBookHippie Sorry so late catching up!!! 16h
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ravenlee Well, cats don‘t realize they‘re naked…so…yes? (Seriously, my SIL keeps sending pictures of her kids dressing their cat in doll clothes and the cat is NOT amused. I think he‘s either plotting murder or escape) 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee oh my god, dogs will put up with that bs, but cats will NOT! 😳 I‘ve seen a cat willingly wear a garment if it serves them in some meaningful way (I‘m thinking of a cat with paralysed back legs that wears little dresses that let her drag her back legs over the floors without hurting herself), but if they‘re aware they are naked, they really don‘t care. They will gladly throw a leg up and lick their butt in front of god and man! 6d
ravenlee Once at my MIL‘s house kiddo was playing with the old (like MIL‘s childhood) dolls and my BIL caught MIL‘s cat and was trying to put some dress or something on her. MIL came over all exasperated and I thought kitty was in for a rescue until she said, “oh for goodness‘ sake - at least find something that fits her!” and proceeded to find her “favorite” dress. Now I try to make sure the cat is well hidden before they play dolls. 😳🙄 6d
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GingerAntics @ravenlee oh my god that poor cat! You have got to be kidding. 6d
ravenlee I wish I were. 6d
ravenlee Or maybe cats do realize they‘re naked and revel in it. Nudist cats? Is that why they lick their butts at us so deliberately? 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee OH MY GOD THAT WOULD EXPLAIN SO MUCH!!! They look at us like “what‘s up with those things on your body? What‘s the point. Be comfortable.” Cats are nudists! 🤯 6d
TheBookHippie @ravenlee yes. They‘re flaunting their freedom. 16h
TheBookHippie Death isn‘t real for most people until they either experience it with loss or beat it themselves or fight to live IMO. Life and Death started at the same time if we are to believe there is no time in Eden or heaven. 16h
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Do humans like cats because they are not like humans at all? Such an intriguing thought. We see such differences in them, and that‘s what draws us to them. Perhaps (from last chapter), we are drawn to them, because they want us to be.
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kspenmoll I never lived with cats before marrying; my husband loves all animals & feels akin to them. Now that I have had cats, for me, their behavior/ beings drew me to them. It may be different for others. I was brought up with dogs & viewed cats as boring. Mow I love my cats. Over time we have so lucked out with our 3- all companions & “dog cats.” (edited) 6d
GingerAntics @kspenmoll I‘m thinking they are more like us than Gray is giving them (or us) credit for. Each cat is unique. Some are very ritualistic and some are totally free spirits. The religions of the world talk about how horrible humans are and how we must overcome our natures, but the natures they want us to overcome the most are the things cats embrace. Proper rest. Enjoying the moment. Not worrying about what others think of us. Etc. 6d
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GingerAntics @kspenmoll maybe we love cats because they are us without all the constraints and BS. Instead of complicating everything, they‘ve simplified everything. 6d
ravenlee I wish we could be more catlike: take naps when you‘re tired. Eat when you‘re hungry. Keep yourself clean and in good working order. Manipulate those around you into taking care of your needs. They‘re masters of “self-care.” 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee another really good point. Perhaps we can never be entirely cat like, maybe because we‘re not really supposed to me (seeing that to the best of my knowledge we are not cats), but we can certainly learn from them. Cats can do amazing things to help and even rescue people they‘re attached to (possibly because they see it as saving their automatic food generator? 🤷🏼‍♀️), they will even risk one their 9 lives… 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee but they won‘t do any of that if they are sick, injured, overly tired, etc. They sleep when they need it. They eat when they need to. They don‘t worry about fitting a body ideal or a productivity ideal. They protect themselves and those they care about. After that, all bets are off. Don‘t even look at their house if they don‘t know you, they might take it as a threat. 6d
kspenmoll @GingerAntics SO true! When Emmy has enough of my lap she just up & goes. She chooses what she does, how she lives in any given moment. They are good mentors for us regarding rest(my struggle), being in moment, etc. 5d
kspenmoll @GingerAntics great great points!!! Re: masters of self care. @GingerAntics Poe is our empath cat- he senses when one of us is upset, sad, etc. and just shows up & snuggles us. (edited) 5d
GingerAntics @kspenmoll I grew up with a cat like that. He was such an introvert, but if I was upset, it was cold in my room at night, he thought my feet were something that was going to get me under my covers, he was right there. I miss that big guy everyday. 5d
TheBookHippie OkAy this human, nope. 😂 what does that say about me 😂😂😂😂😝😳 16h
TheBookHippie @ravenlee THIS. I‘ll just do ME. 16h
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kspenmoll I think philosophy is telling us both. Some philosophy seems to go hand in hand with religion & its rituals. Cats have rituals but obviously not aligned with religion. We can try to be more content, accept that we all die, live as much in the moment as we can, but living as Humans has demands, bumps, tragedies. In this divisive world/country it seems only achievable individually & within smaller groups. I wish it were different & I strive for that 6d
GingerAntics @kspenmoll that makes a lot of sense. 6d
ravenlee I think philosophers (maybe not philosophy overall) tell us that we‘re too complicated to live like cats. Whether that is a positive or a negative depends on the individual perspective. 6d
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GingerAntics @ravenlee that is true. That could be a new branch of philosophy right there. Are we too complicated to live like cats? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? 6d
ravenlee I feel like cats could belong to several schools of philosophical thought. Zen, Stoicism, pragmatism, so many. Also, stoner philosophy when catnip is involved. 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee 😂🤣😂 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee I don‘t know. A lot of those philosophies are focused on dealing with the melancholy of life. Cats aren‘t. They‘re oblivious to it. Anxiety doesn‘t keep cats awake. They don‘t have insomnia. Cats see a problem, and either they can do something about it (claw someone‘s face off) or they can‘t (it‘s time for a nap anyway). 🤷🏼‍♀️ I think stoner fits them well on all cases. Something happens and they grin, say “dude” and have a nap. 6d
ravenlee True, they‘re not at the heart of any of those philosophies, but more in line with the practice, like taking things as they come, making do instead of wishing for better. Although my cat for sure wishes for the canned food when I give him the kibble. 6d
GingerAntics @ravenlee yeah, I swear, if I fed the cat wet food for some reason or a special occasion, then gave them kibble, I‘d get a look. “What is this crap, human? Where is my real meal?” 6d
kspenmoll @ravenlee Good points. Especially catnip. 5d
kspenmoll @GingerAntics @ravenlee Wet food reigns in our house. Another cat directive. 5d
GingerAntics @kspenmoll we‘ve all been trained by our cats! 😂 5d
TheBookHippie @ravenlee stoner philosophy 😂😂 16h
TheBookHippie This book is fun. I loathe cats and never want one in my house but I like holding a kitten 😂 I think they‘re cute to look at and I understand people liking them I just really do not, so this book is different for me. I do like that they‘re selfish little critters narcissistic maybe ? Could be why I don‘t like them 😂😂 16h
TheBookHippie You can live like a cat. You just would be alone. 16h
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This chapter was certainly better than the last. This was definitely a philosophy chapter, and a cat chapter obviously. Interesting ideas in this chapter.
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GingerAntics I‘m really hoping the next chapter isn‘t quite as grim in places. I‘m not sure I can take a whole book of the depravity of humanity turned on cats. 2w
ravenlee I was thinking the same thing. I don‘t understand why Gray felt it necessary or useful to lay out such gruesome details, and so much of it. I get that humans can be singularly, well, inhuman, but the litany was excessive and served little purpose (as far as I can tell). I‘m still waiting for the “philosophy” part to really take off. 2w
ravenlee I did find some interesting tidbits on the history of cats - I love that cats domesticated themselves. It wasn‘t new to me, as we watch a LOT of documentaries around here (one of the tunes kiddo hums to herself sometimes is the PBS Nature theme music), especially on cats (kiddo‘s major obsession for the past two years). But it‘s still awesome. 2w
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GingerAntics @ravenlee I love that your kid likes documentaries! That is just awesome! 🧡🧡🧡 2w
GingerAntics @ravenlee yeah, I didn‘t feel a lot of philosophy on this one, other than “cats don‘t need philosophy” which was confusing. What are we doing here exactly? I‘m hoping this was the intro chapter and we‘ll get into the philosophy now. I don‘t see any purpose to litany of human horrors inflicted upon cats either. I just genuinely hope it‘s over. I want to protect all the kitties! 2w
GingerAntics @ravenlee part of me does wonder how those monsters didn‘t get their faces clawed off, though. If anyone deserved to be clawed to death, it was the nutcases that came up with those atrocities!!! 2w
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I assume this will get better. Sorry I‘m so late I have a hugely busy schedule this month! 2w
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that‘s fine. I totally bungled posting this week, so we‘re all on the back foot a bit with this one. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Yeah, I‘m certainly hoping for some actual philosophy in the next chapter and hopefully no more anti-cat check lists. 2w
kspenmoll The torturing of cats by humans 😱😱😱 1w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll same. Did. Not. Know. Any of this. Oh my god. I don‘t even believe in hell, but all those people better be rotting there right now. That so sick. I just… 🤯 6d
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ravenlee A documentary I saw showed how human brains react to cat cries like they react to human baby cries, and cats only communicate by crying with humans (not to other cats), so cats evolved their cries to manipulate us into paying attention to them. So, yes, cats are basically in charge. 2w
TheBookHippie @ravenlee Agree. This is why I like dogs. 2w
GingerAntics @ravenlee 🤣😂🤣 oh my god that is AWESOME!!! I knew I loved cats! 2w
kspenmoll Oh I love hearing this!!!!! Cats are in charge! 1w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll I feel like a world ruled by cats would be WAY more laid back and probably way more equal (I don‘t think cats much care what people look like or do for a living as long as they‘re not jerks) than our own. In fact, we‘d probably be paid in food and comfortable places to sit. That‘s pretty much currency to cats, isn‘t it? 6d
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ravenlee Based on the first chapter it seems to be a “list everything bad people can do to cats” book. 2w
TheBookHippie 😂😂😂😂@ravenlee …. Should say I‘m no cat fan… 2w
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie just as long as you don‘t use this first chapter for inspiration or anything. 2w
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GingerAntics @ravenlee that‘s for sure. Fingers seriously crossed for the next chapter. 2w
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics BAHAHAHAHAHA. 2w
kspenmoll @ravenlee @TheBookHippie I have 2 cats that we live dearly & certainly have trained us! But i will say that Emmy cries when she can‘t find me now that I am back at work & both greet us at the door when we return from somewhere. They are “dog cats” but also fit so much with this book because they were feral. 1w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll that‘s interesting, actually. I think it does come down to the unique personality of the cat, too. Some like knowing you‘re there. I had one cat who would fall asleep next to me while I was reading a book or watching tv and would stretch a paw out to put on my arm or my leg or even my face, just to know I was there. Other cats are just more independent, and as long as they have food, litter box, and a window, they‘re chill. 6d
kspenmoll @GingerAntics Definitely cat personality. Both my cats are distinct from each other. 6d
GingerAntics @kspenmoll we‘ve had 8 cats in my life and all of them were unique individuals. 6d
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Totally forgot I didn‘t post these before I went to bed last night. I‘m SO sorry! I‘ll just post them around midnight next time.
“Does philosophy stem from human anxiety?”
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ravenlee I can see it. People get really philosophical when they feel lost or confused about their lives - like so many people who change majors in college and are consumed by questions about whether or not they‘re making the right choice. 2w
TheBookHippie I think it‘s the search for control and for absolutes. I think there are a faction of people who prefer to be told what to do -so they don‘t have to make the decisions, or effort, and they find comfort in that -I personally don‘t understand this but I do see those type of people really enjoying church and religion. I agree with @ravenlee about when people feel lost. It‘s uncomfortable for most to not have certainty which actually is so not life. 2w
GingerAntics @ravenlee @TheBookHippie I totally agree that philosophy can certainly have that grasping for certainty feel about it. I think it‘s how you approach philosophy, too, though. I think for some it is this grasping at straws for anything of comfort, but in this group it‘s more the adventure of different people‘s perspectives and how they view the world. Perhaps the people we‘re reading are going more toward the looking for certainty, though. 2w
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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Could be I am anxious to read on! 2w
kspenmoll Coming to this a week late, but I found this part of the book fascinating - & see in my( our) lives many who need the certainty of religion, church etc. & as @TheBookHippie said, people often want to have decisions made for them by being black & white about following rules. Especially now when our world is so threatening on so many levels, people look for comfort. @ravenlee (edited) 1w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll yeah, I never really looked at philosophy in the same way as religion before. It makes sense though, and I can certainly see that being one draw toward philosophy. I just don‘t think it‘s the only draw or a universal draw to philosophy. 6d
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