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Men Who Hate Women: From Incels to Pickup Artists: The Truth about Extreme Misogyny and How It Affects Us All
Men Who Hate Women: From Incels to Pickup Artists: The Truth about Extreme Misogyny and How It Affects Us All | Laura Bates
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An explosive book examining the rise of secretive extremist communities who despise women. In this groundbreaking investigation, women's rights activist Laura Bates traces the roots of misogyny across a complex spider web of groups extending from Men's Rights Activists and Pick Up Artists to Men Going Their Own Way, trolls, and the incel movement, in the name of which some men have committed terrorist acts. Drawing parallels with other extremist movements around the world, Bates shows what attracts men to the movement, how it grooms and radicalizes boys, how it operates, and what can be done to stop it. Most urgently of all, she traces the pathways this extreme ideology has taken from the darkest corners of the internet to emerge covertly in our mainstream media, our playgrounds, and our government. Going undercover on and offline, Laura provides the first comprehensive look at this under-the-radar phenomenon, including fascinating interviews with former members of these communities, the academics studying this movement, and the men fighting back.
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“Particularly chilling from the perspective of young and potentially vulnerable newcomers to such communities is the way in which posters explosive rants are matched by long, faux-academic debates, relying on pseudoscience or math, in which the men who frequent these forums make detailed arguments to rationalize their sadistic fantasies. These posts are suggestive of recruitment, aimed at convincing and converting others to the same cause. They -

Lands might include twisted versions of classical myths or deeply flawed references to Ancient Greek culture to give a vague sense of academic weight to what are essentially exhortations to commit rape and abuse. The 80:20 theory itself is a sort of rough bastardization of the Pareto principle, named after a nineteenth-century Italian economist who noticed that around 80 percent of the land in Italy was owned by just 20 percent of the population.” 1d
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“Much has been written about the alt-right, and particularly its links to the rise of Donald Trump. But the deeply misogynistic beliefs that run through the movement and their role in many of its foundational tenets often go overlooked and unreported. In the same way, the raciest elements of the incel movement are often omitted from commentary, suggesting that it is an exclusively misogynistic, sex-obsessed community. Rarely, too, do those writing

Lands about either group pause to focus on the extreme and sometimes violently heteronormative framing of their worldview, which depends on the idea that all men are (or should be) straight and that all women exist purely as sexual vessels, either to satisfy men or to bear (white) children.” 5d
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“Women, so the story goes, are constantly hungry for sex, but they choose to sleep only with the most attractive cohort of men. Incels are obsessed with what they refer to as the 80:20 theory, which holds that the top 20 percent of the most attractive men enjoys 80 percent of the sex within our society🙄. They lament that the “sexual marketplace” is brutally hierarchical, with women completely in control.They believe that when women are choosing-

Lands sexual partners, looks far outweigh personality or any other attribute and that any man born unlucky enough to be ugly, short, bald, nonwhite, pimply, or a host of other perceived imperfections is cursed to a lifetime of unfair sexual frustration.” 5d
Suet624 Ugh 5d
Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick Ah yes, because gods forbid they develop any sort of attractive personality! 🤦🏼‍♀️ 5d
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“Almost every week for the past eight years, I have spoken to young people in schools across the UK about sexism. But over the past two years boys responses started changing. They were angry, resistant to the very idea of a conversation about sexism. Men themselves were the real victims, they‘d tell me, in a society in which political correctness has gone mad, white men are persecuted, and so many women lie about rape. In schools from rural -

Lands Scotland to central London, I started hearing the same argument. The hair rose on my arms when I realized that these boys, who had never met one another, were using precisely the same words and quoting the same false statistics to back up their claims. Around the same time, I heard snippets of the rhetoric-the same phrases used in the online, women hating labyrinth I had occasionally encountered as a feminist activist- being repeated verbatim by 2w
Lands respected politicians and mainstream news pundits. I could see the power of these online messages and communities starting to seep out and affect the everyday lives of people who had never heard of them. I realized that ideas that had previously been confined to the murkiest corners of the internet were taking on new life, hiding in plain sight.” 2w
lil1inblue Wow. 😮 1w
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I‘m giving a pick, but it was hard to listen to in the beginning & a little boring toward the end. Very informative though. I had little knowledge about incels, men‘s rights groups, & pickup groups. I already knew there are a lot of A**holes out there, but this one really highlights how many. Horrific thoughts & comments by these men. Bates joined several incels under fake profiles & reports their comments. TW- comments about rape, killing, etc

RaeLovesToRead I plan to read this, but honestly, I'm not sure I can stomach it. 3w
Scochrane26 @TheBookHippie I put it on my list. Thanks! 3w
Scochrane26 @RaeLovesToRead The first part of the book was the most disturbing for me. You can always skip some if you need to or take breaks. 3w
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Hard to read, but so very necessary. If you haven‘t read this yet, you need to.

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Hooked_on_books
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As you can imagine, this one is a tough read. But it‘s well done and vital. In particular, Bates discusses how not only are the attitudes of men‘s rights activists and increls not going away, they‘re spreading and creeping into other lines of discourse in the absence of counter programming, so ignoring them is not the answer.

Thatbooknerd I just read Elle Reeve‘s ‘Blackpilled‘…hard to stomach, it discusses the origins of the incel movement. 9mo
Hooked_on_books @JenniferEgnor Yes, that one is really well done. I worried when I read it that Reeve allowed for too much empathy for those involved and, while we should empathize with their emotional struggle, we should not empathize with their hate. 9mo
Thatbooknerd @Hooked_on_books 💯. Hate is a choice and they know what they‘re doing. No empathy for fascists. 9mo
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This is a powerful book that offers such clarity on issues we should all be aware of & how the minority are influencing the majority filling our society with a hate rhetoric. Before starting this book I thought I knew something of incels & misogyny, nope! I knew nothing. Bates has researched her book so thoroughly with no stone left unturned & she is shining a bright spot light that we must all look at NOW!

#Feminism #EndMisogyny #PowerfulReads

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As someone who works in education and deals directly with Safeguarding concerns and behaviour incidents Chapter 9 of Laura Bates' book has thoroughly slapped me in the face and woke me up!

#Feminism #Research #TheVoiceOfToday #TodaysIssues #Safeguarding #Radicalisation #Extremism #SocialMedia #Misogyny #Truth

kspenmoll Great post! So true - I am in a HS. 3y
JaneyWaneyB @kspenmoll I have just finished the book and the last two chapters were eye opening....frankly I got slapped in the face by what Bates had discovered through her research and talking to young people. Those two chapters at least are a must read for teachers...especially male teachers 3y
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I‘m now officially a man who hates men. More precisely, as the final chapter is titled, I‘m a man who hates men who hate women. The other chapters cover all of the unsavoury flavours of misogynists from online Incels up to their offline, male supremacist heroes like Piers Morgan, Trump and Johnson. Along the way we meet MGTOWs and Pick Up Artists. Fascinating and depressing in equal turns. Full of verifiable facts. Need something light to read now

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I can‘t say I enjoyed this book but it‘s essential reading for everyone. So many interesting topics and statistics which I didn‘t know about. I was angry and upset pretty much from start to finish but isn‘t that the point of books like this? If we don‘t highlight the problem how can we tackle it?
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books_and_tea That's such a good point you made! So true:).! 4y
TrishB Getting myself ready to read. She came to give a session at the Uni where I work (pre pandemic obvs) and was really good. 4y
Cazxxx @TrishB oh really? That must‘ve been really interesting. She certainly knows her subject 4y
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IuliaC Oh my! 5y
readingjedi That's beyond gross 😡 5y
Lauram Horrifying 5y
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books_and_tea Wow!😡 5y
TrishB And now I have to go and read the book to make me a bit more angry 😡 5y
Cazxxx @TrishB I‘m only one chapter in and it has me so angry already 5y
Cazxxx @Lauram awful 😞 5y
Cazxxx @books_and_tea only one chapter in and so angry 😡 5y
Cazxxx @readingjedi absolutely disgusting 5y
Cazxxx @IuliaC so disgusting 😡 5y
books_and_tea @Cazxxx Ugh, I totally believe that! 5y
Reggie Yikes! 5y
TrishB I‘ve had the book on my kindle for a while, so may have to read soon! 5y
Cazxxx @Reggie awful! 5y
Cazxxx @TrishB it is good but hard going 5y
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I didn‘t know too much about incels before reading this book and I must say it‘s absolutely terrifying the way these men think