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Talking Back, Talking Black: Truths about America's Lingua Franca
Talking Back, Talking Black: Truths about America's Lingua Franca | John McWhorter
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One of our sharpest explainers of linguistics. Steven Pinker In Talking Back, Talking Black, John McWhorter, the maestro at communicating linguistics to the public, succeeds in helping the reader to actually hear Black English in a new way, while hipping linguists to some features of this vibrant variety they might not have considered before. John R. Rickford, former president of the Linguistic Society of America and coauthor of Spoken Soul: The Story of Black English McWhorter debunks some of our most persistent myths about language. NPR McWhorter makes all the right arguments, and he makes them clearly. New Yorker Do you think Black English is a dialect full of mistakes ? You re likely to change your mind about its languageness after reading Mr. McWhorter. Wall Street Journal It has now been almost fifty years since linguistic experts began studying Black English as a legitimate speech variety, arguing to the public that it is different from Standard English, not a degradation of it. Yet false assumptions and controversies still swirl around what it means to speak and sound black. In his first book devoted solely to the form, structure, and development of Black English, John McWhorter clearly explains its fundamentals and rich history, while carefully examining the cultural, educational, and political issues that have undermined recognition of this transformative, empowering dialect. Talking Back, Talking Black takes us on a fascinating tour of a nuanced and complex language that has moved beyond America s borders to become a dynamic force for today s youth culture around the world. John McWhorter teaches linguistics, Western civilization, music history, and American studies at Columbia University. A New York Times best-selling author and TED speaker, he is a columnist for Time and regular contributor to the Atlantic, Wall Street Journal, and Washington Post. His books on language include The Power of Babel, Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue, What Language Is, The Language Hoax, and Words on the Move."
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jack777
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Fascinating and enlightening. Some interesting ideas and perspectives. Linguistics is crazy, yall.

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megnews
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An introduction to African American Vernacular English. Interesting to hear the comparisons with languages in other cultures.

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emz711
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So interesting! And he's such a great narrator. I love his podcasts and any other shows he ends up on.
Audiobook is around 4 hrs.

#podcasts

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Megabooks
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This is my third McWhorter and not my last. McWhorter, who is Black, looks at Black speech patterns and makes a case that it is a dialect of American English that is used in a similar way to how Scots use their dialect - often in informal situations with people who speak it as well. It is not “unintelligent” but instead follows its own regular usages of words and sentence structure. He also discusses why people “sound Black.” Very interesting! ⬇️

Megabooks ⬆️ He mentions his opinions are controversial within the Black community. As a white person, I‘m taking this book at face value as an interesting introduction to the subject, but I don‘t have a wrong/right opinion on his argument. This #audiobook is available on #hoopla. 3y
Cinfhen Really interesting 3y
Flaneurette Sounds really interesting and on hoopla, thanks! 3y
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Susanita I love his podcast. 3y
Megabooks @Cinfhen it was! 3y
Megabooks @Flaneurette I hope you enjoy it! 3y
Megabooks @Susanita I bet it‘s great! 3y
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Hooked_on_books
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Linguist McWhorter explores how Black (American) English is a dialect rather than slang or a series of mistakes and how similar the presence of Black English alongside Standard English is to many places in the world. I found this interesting and eye-opening. I‘m glad I read it.

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rachelsbrittain
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An insightful exploration of Black English (AAVE) from linguist John McWhorter, presenting the arguments for Black English as a distinct form of English with it's own grammar, accent, and diction. This is something I knew a bit about and was passionate about as a big language / English nerd, and this book presented so much research, information, and history of Black English I was completely unaware of. Highly recommend.

Susanita I love his podcast! 4y
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annamatopoetry
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Overall very good. Not as much new info as I was hoping, but after 30ish hours of listening to McWhorter's podcast (Lexicon Valley) which has touched on Black English multiple times, I guess that shouldn't be surprising. Very conversational style and explicitly aimed at people without prior experience with linguistics.

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annamatopoetry
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More roof reading. I gotta say, of all the specifics of Black English McWhorter goes over, I never noticed 'aks'.

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Roof reading

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annamatopoetry
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Unintentionally topical, as I ordered this early last week (my local bookstore is doing curbside pickup!) I know McWhorter isn't undisputed from a cultural conversation perspective, but he's an excellent linguist. I've read two of his other books and listened to him podcasting since he took over Slate's Lexicon Valley three years ago (weird showtunes and all) so looking forward to this one.

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jackday
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Fascinating and enlightening. Some interesting ideas and perspectives. Linguistics is crazy, yall.

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Foxnorth

Fantastic read #linguistics #language

Foxnorth Just finished this. May have to go back and re-read to catch it all! 5y
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RJHowe
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An outstanding read. Charmingly written and highly educational this book is surely one of the best I have read this year. A fantastic historic, linguistic and social examination of African American Venacular English. I learned so much and had a good time doing so. Also I would think it would be a great tool for educators and historians of American culture. Would recommend it to just about anyone.

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Abby-J
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Just a reminder, though I know I‘m preaching to the choir. I‘m having an argument with a “White Feminist” on Facebook because she‘s trying to make a conversation about code switching in the black community all about her white self. If your brand of feminism doesn‘t take time to listen to the viewpoints of POC, you‘re not helping. Never turn a conversation about people of color into a conversation about white lady problems.

Abby-J Also read the tagged book. You will like it. 6y
GypsyKat “Never turn a conversation about people of color into a conversation about white lady problems” Can I get this on a T-shirt? Seriously! 🙌 6y
CouronneDhiver I don‘t understand why human problems aren‘t just human (rather than white vs coloured, male vs female, etc.) ... so sad. 6y
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2BR02B @GypsyKat I'm pretty sure White Lady Problems is the working title of Liane Moriarty's latest novel. 6y
GypsyKat @2BR02B Hahaha! Don‘t hate, I love her books! 😂😂🤣 6y
Abby-J @2BR02B @GypsyKat Curtis Sittenfeld is also a master in the “White Lady Problems” genre. 6y
2BR02B @Abby-J I have an entire Goodreads shelf devoted to this literary subgenre. I've titled it "The Unbearable Whiteness of Being." 6y
Abby-J @2BR02B 😂 That title almost entirely makes up for the idiot on Facebook. 6y
Weaponxgirl @2BR02B you just made me snort laugh into my tea! 6y
Weaponxgirl Ugh to their lack of awareness. Makes you want to throw some black feminist books at their heads doesn't it 6y
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After eying this book for a bit and then spending a good chunk of the day listening to John McWhorter on the Lexicon Valley podcast, I had to grab this study of Black American speech. Ah, the gift of e-books to the moody, whim-driven reader... Excited to dig in.

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MrsAlexanderHamilton
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Mehso-so

Eh. I feel that it was quite enlightening for me, but I'm heavily interested in linguistics. For a casual reader, I don't think it had enough of a hook. Pretty interesting, though, regardless.

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#SeasonsReadings2016 Day 30 - Best Reads of December

Of the books I read this month, these three were the most engaging, the most thought provoking, and the most entertaining. They rank among my favorite books of 2016.

#bestreadsofdecember #mugsoflitsy #bookstack

britt_brooke Love the mug! 7y
Baileeandme Oh! I love the mug! 7y
Amandajoy Is that a wiener dog on your mug? My sister-in-law loves them & I'm always looking for cute things with wiener dogs on it for her. 7y
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BooksForYears @Amandajoy I'm not sure that it's a wiener dog - it could be, but it might also be a beagle or a basset hound. I found it at World Market, if you have one near you or if they're in stock online. (edited) 7y
EvieBee Lovely books AND that mug! Would love that in my life. 7y
Amandajoy Even if it's not a wiener dog, it's an adorable mug! 7y
ReadosaurusText @BooksForYears Your #mugsoflitsy hashtag is genius! 7y
ReadingRover That basset hound mug is fantastic! ❤️ 7y
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MrsAlexanderHamilton

Fish don't know they're wet. And Americans, in that sense, don't know that their typical native linguistic repertoire is narrow and dull compared to that of a great many of the world's people.

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Whether I said anything about it out loud would depend on my temperament, but as they used to say, they can't put you in jail for what you're thinking.

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. . . And ungrammatical means that if you say such a thing, you are breaking the rules of the dialect.

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Americans have trouble comprehending that ANY vernacular way of speaking is legitimate language.

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MrsAlexanderHamilton
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Received for free in exchange for an honest review. I'm super interested in linguistics, so I'm pretty excited to get started.

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BooksForYears
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#Recommendsday

The author, an African American linguist, presents a compelling argument: That the spoken language of many black Americans is not error-filled, but should be seen as a dialect separate from what he calls Standard English. The thesis is that, just as Standard English has grown and changed over time, due to various influences, so has Black English. They are both rich & complex languages, deserving of study and celebration.

Stacy84 Sounds interesting. 7y
literarymermaid I haven't read this book, but I took linguistics class amd my professor made a similar argument as your blurb. She even explained some of the terms that sound wrong in Standard English but have specific definitions in the context of what the blurb calls Black English. I really want to read this. 7y
MsBlueSox I'm excited to read this, too. I was really aware that when I listened to Coates read Between the World and Me, he continued to use "axe" rather than "ask." I hope this gets released as an audiobook!! 7y
ReadingEnvy Ordering this for my library! 7y
credo Isn't 'axe' just pronounciation? Like, when I am in England and I say 'bill' everyone thinks I am saying 'bull'. Awkward! 7y
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BooksForYears
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I just started this, and I've already written so much marginalia! A fascinating look at linguistic racism in America

#booksfromSteinbeck @Liberty

SuperPunkNinja I love John McWhorter! 7y
SaintUrsula I need to get around to this. It sounds fascinating. 7y
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