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Let's Talk About Love
Let's Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste | Carl Wilson
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For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. At once among the most widely beloved and most reviled and lampooned pop stars of the past few decades, Céline Dion's critics call her mawkish and overblown while millions of fans around the world adore her "huge pipes?? and even bigger feelings. How can anyone say which side is right? This new, expanded edition goes even further, calling on thirteen prominent writers and musicians to respond to themes ranging from sentiment and kitsch to cultural capital and musical snobbery. The original text is followed by lively arguments and stories from Nick Hornby, Krist Novoselic, Ann Powers, Mary Gaitskill, James Franco, Sheila Heti and others. In a new afterword, Carl Wilson examines recent cultural changes in love and hate, including the impact of technology and social media on how taste works (or doesn't) in the 21st century.
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Lindy
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“When someone says an artwork is good or bad, it is reasonable to ask ‘good or bad for what?‘”
I found a lot to ponder in this exploration of the role and concept of taste in popular culture, using Céline Dion‘s music as a focal point. The original essay was published in 2007. I read a newer edition (2014) that includes commentary on the topic by an additional baker‘s dozen of thinkers such as Nick Hornby, Mary Gaitskill & Sheila Heti.

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What would criticism be like if it were not foremost trying to persuade people to find the same things great?

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If the tender emotions are stereotypically feminine, cuddly, nurturing, then the sentimental, as Deborah Knight puts it, is “sluttish, indulgent, cheap, shallow, self-absorbed, excessive.” Philosophical antisentimentalism, she asserts, is a sentimentalization of rationalism, a pre-emptive strike against betraying any unseemly weakness for the illogical, girly side of human nature. (And it doesn‘t get much more girly than Céline Dion.)

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For a century or more, sentimentality has been the cardinal aesthetic sin. To say a work of art is sentimental is perforce to damn it. To be sentimental is to be kitsch, phony, exaggerated, manipulative, self-indulgent, hypocritical, cheap and clichéd. … Sentimentality is the most formidable barrier between Céline‘s music and me. … Can that be just learned prejudice, like so many other cultural filters?

DivineDiana Thought provoking! 6y
Lindy @DivineDiana Yes, this book provided much fodder for discussion at my Feminist Book Club last month. I‘m catching up on posting about it before returning it to the library. 6y
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I ask Alex, a female impersonator, what he thinks about haters jibing that Céline herself looks like a drag queen. He doesn‘t see it, but he adds: “I do think she‘s impersonating other celebrities … Elvis. Tina Turner. Barbra Streisand. Her hand mannerisms are Barbra. The energy is all very Tina. These were the people she grew up wanting to be, taking the best from each person and incorporating it into her act.”

Lindy This phenomenon of taking on mannerisms from the people around you also came up in 6y
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At book club last night, there weren‘t enough wine glasses. Tea cups make a fine substitute.

julesG And such fine tea cups! 6y
DivineDiana Perfect Plan B! ☕️ 👏🏻📚 6y
Chrissyreadit Excellent! 6y
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rockpools That looks like a fun bookclub! 6y
Lindy @julesG @DivineDiana @Chrissyreadit @RachelO It is a fun group; we call it the feminist book club and it‘s the only one that I attend that has men in it. It‘s also the group that drinks the most alcohol during our discussions. The other members are 10 or 20 years younger than I am, and I enjoy their company. 🍷 6y
Chrissyreadit That sounds like fun! What book are you all reading? 6y
Lindy @Chrissyreadit We discussed all the issues of cultural taste that come up in 6y
LeahBergen Perfect! 👏🏻 6y
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It‘s been said that ‘pro wrestling is soap opera on steroids,‘ so maybe Céline Dion is metal on estrogen. Metal is all darkness and rebellion and Céline all candlelight and communion, but note how hypermasculinity and hyperfeminity in this way can meet […]

twohectobooks I‘ve been wanting to read this one forever. 6y
Lindy @twohectobooks My Feminist Book Club is discussing this tonight. 40 more pages to go. Lots to talk about. 6y
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A fascinating analysis of music! And about the only book I own right now with the word #journey in the title. 🤔👍🏼 #jubliantjuly

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I'm gonna add this book too. One of the best books celebrating and analyzing Celine and her rise to fame. It's an awesome read. #musicaltitles #maybookshowers

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