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The Treason of Isengard
The Treason of Isengard | John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien
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Recounts the writing of the central section of the Lord of the Rings, and shows how Tolkien developed his maps of Middle Earth
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JazzFeathers
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Absolutely, totally loved it!
I'm loving the entire History of Middle-Earth, but these volumes devoted to The Lord of the Rings are something special.
We met unknown characters. We saw familiar characters under a different light. We follow ed alternative plots.
And always with a fantastic story brewing in the background. Still not the one we know and love, but getting closer at every page.

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BookwormAHN
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Book 2 for #LOTRhistory spent a lot of time on the evolution of Aragorn. It was quite interesting, although I will miss Trotter the hobbit and his wooden shoes.
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JazzFeathers I'm already missing Trotter the Hobbit. But to be fair, l quite miss all of the original Hobbits. Especially Frodo Took, my favourite. 3mo
Daisey Yes, there were a few times I really wished for more details about Trotter the hobbit. 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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Loved loved loved this chapter about the Rohirrim. His conception seems to have taken longer to settled as Tolkien brought the episode closer to his beloved Beowulf.

Grima Wormtangue, who has such a central part in the final book, entered the story very late. And what about Eowyn... who was supposed to marry Aragorn in the end? 😱😱😱

Susanita Brad Dourif and his shaved eyebrows... 3mo
Daisey I was really intrigued by that part about Eowyn & Aragorn too! 3mo
JazzFeathers @Susanita He is such a great Wormtangue. 3mo
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JazzFeathers @Daisey l never expected that! True, Arwen doesn't exist in this version yet, but somehow l can't unlearn what l know. 3mo
Susanita He‘s one of those actors who disappears in the role, and halfway through whatever you‘re watching it dawns on you who he is. 3mo
Daisey I can see this possibility because of the interest Eowyn expresses toward Aragorn in the final story. It also makes perfect sense to me that Tolkien early considered some marital alliance between Gondor and Rohan. These are the characters he had for consideration at this point. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Susanita l have never seen him in any other role, but l do think he's one of the best in the trilogy. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Daisey That's true. He was logica lll working with the characters and the situation he had at the time. It's curious because, even if part of Aragorn's ancestry concerning the Numenoreans has already emerged, l don't feel there's the depth and complex implications yet that will eventually arise. 3mo
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Daisey
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I couldn‘t help but read ahead through the last sections yesterday. Some parts of this book are descriptions of drafts that pretty much reach the published story, but others show consideration of different possibilities and fascinating development of the key aspects of the final story. I would only recommend these HoME books to serious fans with an interest in the writing process, but in that case they are well worth the reading.

#LotRHistory

JazzFeathers @Daisey how was it that you were behind and now you're finished? 😆👏👏 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers Lol! I spent about 6 hours in airports and on planes yesterday. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa That will do it, doesn‘t hurt that a couple of those later chapters are really short either. 3mo
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Daisey
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These kinds of brainstorming notes are fascinating! It‘s so interesting to see initial ideas and how they sometimes slowly and sometimes almost immediately evolved into the story we know. Eowyn is an amazing character, and I appreciate seeing how her character took shape.

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JazzFeathers Aragorn and Eowyn were supposed to marry?????? 😱😱😱 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers It appears he immediately rejected this idea, but I am curious to see if there is more about Eowyn going to battle as an Amazon in the drafting process. 3mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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As always with this series I find Christopher‘s dedication and determination to compile all of this immensely interesting and thank him for the hours and hours of work it must have entailed, and the insight to how a great writer crafts his stories is invaluable and sadly with the advent of modern word processing, something we are unlikely to see laid out in this way ever again.

#LOTRHistory
#YearOfTolkien
#YearsOfTolkien
#FellowshipOfTolkien

JazzFeathers True 3mo
Daisey I completely agree! 3mo
Daisey Also I just noticed that “years” you slipped in a hashtag! 😂 On another topic, as we finish this book, would you like me to start on a schedule for the next without choosing a start date yet (I know we probably need some time between)? I have access to the book today and need to know if I should take it with me this next week or not. @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @jazzfeathers (edited) 3mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey If you have time to make a schedule, that‘s fine be me. But no, I don‘t see us starting this next week.... maybe Aug 5th or later, depending on when everyone else finishes and @JazzFeathers book arrives 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey I figured it was time 😂 3mo
Daisey Ok, I will happily volunteer to do this next schedule; it‘s been a while since I‘ve taken a turn. However, I‘ll just wait to do it until I get through the next few days and am officially back from my summer, planning to start no earlier than August 5. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey Yes, that‘s one week after this one officially ends, so I thought we‘d wait at least that long...maybe a second week depending on how everyone‘s making out. Besides it gives me a chance to work on a few of my other books. 🤪🙈 3mo
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey gals, that sounds awesome to me. My book has not arrived yet. And l think @wordslinger42 might need some more time to catch up. 3mo
wordslinger42 @JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey I'll need a bit longer to catch up! But some time after August 5th will work for me as long as you gals are OK with that! 3mo
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Daisey
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The top section shows part of Tolkien‘s draft that was rejected, and the bottom section is Christopher‘s explanatory note. These pieces that show clear development of the story and notes that reference inspiration and connection are some of the great parts of reading these History of Middle-Earth books.

#LotRHostory #FellowshipofTolkien #YearofTolkien

JazzFeathers I loved to read the connections between the Edoras episode and Beowulf. 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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Considering how fast these last few chapters seem to have reached the published form, l find it quite surprising that the episode of Rohan is still so far from what it would become.

There's no Grima Wormtangue, there's no Helm's Deep. Eowyn appears very late and rides with the Rohirrim as an Amazon.
Theoden is distrustful of Gandalf, but still accepts to fight first again Isengard and the in Minas Tirith's aid

Texreader Great review 3mo
JazzFeathers @Texreader Thanks 😊 3mo
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Daisey
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It‘s time for some more airport reading, and since it‘s my last day in Boston I decided I needed some Dunkin‘ Donuts for the trip. I‘m really looking forward to this chapter. I‘ve always enjoyed Treebeard as a character, and it seems he‘s going to have to go through some major development from the early notes.

#LoTRHistory #YearofTolkien #FellowshipofTolkien

rretzler Shouldn‘t be too hard to find a Dunkin‘ Donuts in Boston! 🤣🤣🤣 3mo
Daisey @rretzler Too true! I had forgotten just how many there are since my last trip. 3mo
Daisey So, all the development of Treebeard I was hoping to see apparently happened off the page, but the chapter was still interesting to read. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Daisey l have some contrasting feelings about these last chapters. Since many seem to reach the form in the final book pretty quickly, Christopher mostly recounts them, when l enjoyed the most when l can read the actual draft. But then there are lots of notes and synopsis too, and l enjoyed those a lot. 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers I agree. The aspects of these books that I enjoy most are the early outline notes that show the development of ideas and the early drafts with characters and plot points that ultimately changed through revision. These chapters did not have as much of that as I had hoped to see, but were still enjoyable to read. 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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Let's face it, at this point Tolkien was extremely inspired 😂
I love this chapter in the book, but l see it isn't an easy one to write.
Apparently Tolkien went through four revisions back to back. If this isn't inspiration, l don't know what it is.

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wordslinger42
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I am slowly, but surely, getting caught up for #LOTRHistory 📚 Looking forward to this chapter! Galadriel is such a wonderful character 💙

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Deidre-Dee-OfficialBookworm What a coincidence! I'm reading 'The Two Towers' at the moment! 3mo
wordslinger42 @Deidre-Dee-OfficialBookworm How funny!! Reading the LOTR Histories is definitely making me want to re-read the series! 3mo
JazzFeathers Isn't Galadriel's chapter just awesome? I loved how she took things in her hands even with her creatore 😆 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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Treebeard is a very peculiar character. He's been mentioned from the very early chapters, but he went through a huge change all off-stage.
When he is mentioned the first time, he's a giant allied to Saruman who took Gandalf captive. But then he became progressively a good giant, and when he finally appears, he's an Ent, a good-natured, ancient, wise Ent.
And he's a dear 😊

TheBookDream Yes he was evil in the original draft and stayed evil. I was very upset by that. 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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At this stage, Tolkien must have been inspired, since it seems he wrote these chapter very fast and with little hesitations.
This chapter is only a couple of pages. Christopher didn't publish much, since the draft achieved the final form practically immediately.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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I took a little time yesterday, and a little today and I‘m all caught up (good thing today‘s chapter was short)...are we all ready for the final stretch?

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Daisey I‘m caught up as far as finishing yesterday‘s chapter and am ready to read “The Uruk Hai.” However, I‘m visiting friends and sightseeing the next few days, so I may not catch up again until the flight back home. 3mo
BookwormAHN I'm only a chapter behind and I plan to catch up when the niece and nephews leave 😸 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey You‘re in luck, the Uruk Hai is only about 2 pages. And if you don‘t catch up until you get home, that‘s ok too. I‘m guessing we‘ll leave a little catchup time like we always do between books. 3mo
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Daisey Yep, short chapter and I read it tonight! If I do get behind this week I should be able to catch up on all of it while in the airport or on the plane. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey That is all true, but please enjoy your vacation while you can, Tolkien will be here when you get back. 😉 3mo
JazzFeathers I'm all caught up and l think l'll stay so 😆 My problem may rather be the books. I bought the next two books last week, but since l bought them from Alibris, it may take me more than another week before they arrive. Sorry, l didn't realise we were already approaching the end 😑 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers That‘s ok, I‘m fine with a break in between books, it always gives everyone a breather and a chance to catch up before we go forward. It‘s been a winning strategy for us so far. 👍 3mo
wordslinger42 I'm working on catching up this week! This month was much more hectic than I thought it would be! I'm also fine with taking a break between books :) 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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I found it really amusing that Tolkien seemed to hesitate on the Rohirrim chapter, as if knowing this was going to complicate things and mess up his plans, and he ponder whether to go this way or not.

I'm so happy he did. I love the Rohirrim 💚

Susanita Eomer ❤️ 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree...you could sense his hesitation here. He started writing it like his plans, just a single side chapter...and then he wrote their meeting on the grasslands and couldn‘t do it, he had to follow that group and write more about them. 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, I found it really interesting how he started, stopped when he realized the logistics just didn‘t work, and then rewrote it. The whole aspect of figuring out this section and what happens to each set of characters is fascinating. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Daisey @Riveted_Reader_Melissa l think his love for the Anglo-saxons betrayed him 😆 l think he started off using the Anglo-saxon characteristics for the sake a variety in the story, but once he had those characters in his head, he just couldn't let them go. Characters are such naughty creatures. Never trust a character! 3mo
JazzFeathers @Susanita l know, right 😏 3mo
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After planning to make a traitor of Boromir since the beginning, and bring him back to Minas Tirith for the siege, Tolkien decided to kill him instead, while redeeming him.
There's no notes concerning this decision, which is a pity. I'd love to know why this change of heart.

This is one of those chapter born already very close to its final form.

Daisey I was also hoping there might be some notes or questions to self about this change as it was made. I was very curious to see how the original idea would have played out. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers @Daisey I agree with both of you... darn that paper shortage that had him erasing the original and writing over it! My guess though, is he couldn‘t bare a character he had grown to love be fully evil and unredeemed in some way....so he transferred that to the father. 🤷‍♀️ (edited) 3mo
Daisey @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That theory makes a lot of sense to me! 3mo
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey That is totally possible. I don't think Boromir was born as an evil character. It was only after Tolkien paused in 1939 that Boromir became a traitor. So the character had these two 'lives' in himself and really l think Tolkien couldn't make him totally evil. The Breaking of the Fellowship and The Departure of Boromir show these two lives, in my opinion. 3mo
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Daisey
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It‘s time for some airport reading this morning. I hope to do some catching up today, but I‘m also easily distracted while flying so we‘ll see how far I actually get.

#YearofTolkien #LotRHistory #FellowshipofTolkien

Megabooks Cute bookmark! 3mo
JazzFeathers 😜💪😁 3mo
Daisey @Megabooks Thanks! It‘s one of my favorites and currently my designated Tolkien bookmark. 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers I caught up through July 20, and now I may or may not read again until my flight back home. 🤷‍♀️ Really enjoyed seeing the beginning of the story in Rohan. 3mo
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Well, what can l say? Galadriel shoes her quality since the very beginning. Not one to let any author decide for her, that gal!

BookwormAHN 💚💚💚 3mo
Soubhiville Beautiful art and great quote! I love her. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, I loved that she was originally to be a side character...and took over her part and became the power. 3mo
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I was so surprised to discover that the famous Line 'Fool of a Took!' started off in such a different way.

BookwormAHN 💚💚💚 3mo
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It's surprising that after so much feverish creation, Tolkien wrote what would become the last chapter of The Fellowship of the Ring at once, and almost in the final form.

Such a cool coincidence that the beginning of The Two Towers matches our celebration of two years of reading Tolkien dangerously 😆

#TeamTolkien2ndAnniversary
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Daisey Love your “reading Tolkien dangerously” comment! I caught up just to fall behind again, but I want to finish another book before traveling later this week. Additionally, this is the only physical book I plan to take with me while traveling, so hopefully I‘ll catch back up again then. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Daisey l'm sure you'll catch up soon again. Chapters are quite short now. Will you be able to drop in for the party today 😊? 3mo
Daisey Yes! I will be posting today! 3mo
wordslinger42 @Daisey I fell behind as well, so you're not alone! I'm also planning on catching up this weekend 😊 3mo
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JazzFeathers
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It's nearly here! The second anniversary of the #YearOfTolkien team, reading #Tolkien (almost) every day.

We have come this far!

We are celebrating our second anniversary on Thursday with out very special Hall of Fire. There will be stories, and quotes, and a couple of party invitations. And who knows, maybe a new hashtag will be born!
Do come and celebrate with us!!!

#TeamTolkien2ndAnniversary
#ThereAndBackAgain

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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I love this early drawling of the orc cave entrance with window eyes and his notes that it has to be made more horrible, not the normal goblin stuff. Some of his Notes to Self along the way while writing are so interesting.

#LOTRHistory
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Daisey Yes, the notes to self continually fascinate me. 3mo
JazzFeathers We're so lucky that he made so many notes to self. Now we have the possibility to see his thinking process. Not many authors do that. Most just write the new ideas down. 3mo
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Daisey
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It has not been the greatest day, but I have the evening to myself and am ready to enjoy it. Along with this plate of cucumbers and tomatoes, a pizza is in the oven while I start the next chapter. These semi-outline chapters which explore new developments are some of my favorites and I‘m so looking forward to reading it.

#YearofTolkien #LotRHistory #ReadandEat

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Weird coincidence, I had tomatoes and cucumbers tonight too, with a sandwich though. And yes, I‘m really loving the brainstorming chapters. 3mo
Daisey @Riveted_Reader_Melissa That is a bit of a coincidence, although I pretty much eat tomatoes and cucumbers every day during this part of the year. Finished the chapter and loved it! So interesting to see just how much he originally saw the fellowship splitting apart. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey l'm quite fascinated with the story how it could have been. First Trotter, then this alternative Flight of Sam and Frodo to Mount Doom. The Lord of the Rings as we know it is a fantastically deep book, but l've loved these simpler alternatives too. 3mo
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Boy, that was a busy chapter!
But so fascinating!

Boromir and Frodo's showdow is seen in a completely different light, since in Tolkien's intention, Boromir would survive this part of story.
I think he probably thought he was quite near the end of the story, because after Lothlorien he seemed to think it was a matter of bringing Frodo to Mount Doom e all the others at the siege of Minas Tirith.
Little did he know...

BookwormAHN I also got the feeling that he thought he was nearing the end. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, his notes going forward from here point that way, a chapter for each group that split off from the company...little did he realize how Treebeard and Rohan would grow into worlds of their own. Should be interesting to see take shape! 3mo
Daisey @BookwormAHN @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers I agree that it seems he just had a few chapters in mind, and I‘m very much looking forward to seeing this further development. I think right now I‘m most curious to see how the storyline with Treebeard develops. 3mo
JazzFeathers @Daisey @BookwormAHN @Riveted_Reader_Melissa l'm curious about Treebeard for sure, but since my heart was always with the Rohirrim, l can't wait to see them appear. I suspect that Tolkien's love for Anglo-saxon history, culture, literature and language just had the best of him. Such a luck for us readers 😆 3mo
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Christopher's dedication to his father's work show in the mais more than anywhere else, in my opinion.
His decriptions of the evolution of the maps and of the geography of Middle-Earth are so accurate that l doubt Tolkien himself could have done better.

Daisey I just started this chapter last night but was too tired to actually concentrate for long. It is an amazing level of description and explanation. 3mo
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This #LOTRHistory keeps surprising me. Tolkien wrote this chapter unlikely all the others in the book so far: piece by piece, rewriting while writing.

It's one of these chapters where not much happens, but much is built, so l'm so curious to read the chapter about his notes. Coming soon.

Celeborn is such an underappreciated character.

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If I've ever seen a character take things in her hands, that's Galadriel.
The mirror was Celeborn's in Tolkien's notes and he was the one who did most of the speech when the Fellowship comes to Lorien. And still the Mirror becomes Galadriel's when the chapter starts.

A fascinating read. Galadriel isn't the complex character she's l become yet, but we can already see her formidabile personality.

Daisey I really appreciated seeing how she seemed to take control of her place in the story as well. 3mo
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I finished “Farewell to Lorien” last night. The discussion of the super confusing changing names for Aragorn is interesting to consider, and the explanation of the fragmentary revisions makes perfect sense. I also noticed this use of the term “stet” by Tolkien. The first small school where I taught was in a town named Stet, which was the only reason I knew the definition.

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JazzFeathers The way Tolkien used and worked names is always fascinating. But in Aragorn's case it goes a step further. I'm so curious to Ser how he became Strider, which is of course such a perfet name for him. 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers I agree; I‘m beginning to get a bit impatient to see when and how Strider comes into the mix. 3mo
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I read “Lothlorien” last night and “Galadriel” this morning with breakfast but did not have time to post. I always love reading about the beauty and atmosphere of Lothlorien, and although it didn‘t seem fully there yet, I enjoy seeing its development. I also continue to find the description of Tolkien‘s quick draft writing fascinating. The example above includes a complete reversal with nothing struck out.

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JazzFeathers I'm enjoying this process too. I don't remember him doing it while working at the Silmarillion or the Hobbit. It tales of the way the story gripped him at this moment. 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers It does seems he was going much faster in sections with this story. The others seemed a bit more methodical. 3mo
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Although it sounded a lot like a chapter of passage, there are surprisingly interesting quotes. Maybe the calmer moment allowed for deeper reflection.
I'm very curious about the next chapter because it sounds like Galadriel had her way with Tolkien 😆

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Indeed she did! 😂 3mo
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Daisey
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I read through “The Story Foreseen From Moria” this evening and once again truly enjoyed this brainstorming outline section. It‘s so fascinating to see Tolkien considering possibilities and questioning the direction of the story. The questions especially catch my attention as they show the real development of the story as he thinks about and finds solutions to the problems he has created.

#LotRHistory #YearofTolkien

JazzFeathers I love that he wrote down everything. It make sense, they say that writing down problems is a first step to solving them, but still many authors don't write down the entire process. Tolkien did and l'm so happy about it. 3mo
vikshansh Isn't this story of the lord of the rings 3mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers Agreed! It‘s so seldom we as readers get to see this process and I love it. (edited) 3mo
Daisey @vikshansh Yes, this is the second of three books detailing the writing of the Lord of the Rings. 3mo
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Graywacke *World ? 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Graywacke It‘s his early notes, but I‘m still going to guess that‘s a typo 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Graywacke although, depending on what you are reading the word can be pretty dangerous as well.😂 3mo
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“And in truth in nothing is the evil of the Enemy seen more clear than in the estrangements that divide us all.”

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JazzFeathers Are we really, absolutely sure that Tolkien was writing this 80 years ago? 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers I can see why they feel it was heavily influenced by the World War that was going on at the time, even if Tolkien didn‘t feel that way, he was a product of his times and was influenced by the world he knew. 3mo
JazzFeathers I've come to believe that LotR was his way to come to terms with the war. He was a WWI veteran and l think he felt to be a survivor, a privileged, in a way. And l think that like other WWI veterans, he had hoped nothing like that would happen again. But it did happen. Only 20 years later. I can only begin to imagine what that meant for a survivor and a father. 3mo
JazzFeathers I think he poured his fears, his doubts and his quest for a meaning into the story he was writing. It was a kind of therapy, l believe.
But still it kind of unsettles me how his reflections on what was happening then resonate with us today.
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers I completely agree there. It‘s a bit too relevant at times. 3mo
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Oh. My. Goodness!!!!! 😱😲
This is what Tolkien planned once he got his characters out of Moria. Not what we know!

I mean, let's talk about Sam, who might or might not fall into the Crack of Doom with Gollum. And Frodo who becomes the Lord of the ring and can commad the Nazgul???
Not to mention Aragorn and Boromir who go together to Minas Tirith, where Boromir betrays Aragorn.
I almost want to read that story!

Daisey Ok, with that post, I have got to get caught up in my reading! 😯 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know.... isn‘t his brainstorming fun to read! 3mo
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Loved it! Absolutely loved it!
There is nothing of the haunting atmosphere that l so love in the Moria episode, but there is rough, powerful creativity.
This is a breathtaking piece of action with little else included (Christopher says most of the chapter is barely legible, so fast it was written).
Once again, it's like watching the story coming to life.

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Loved this chapter! So weird to read the brainstorming he did for the rest of the book(s)...the what if this happened, what if that...

So weird and cool to get a peek into his mind as he tried to work out how the story would split and come about...and uncanny how many of those ideas became the kernel of the idea that once teased out would become the story we all know so well.

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JazzFeathers Can't wait to read it tonight! I loved yesterday 's chapter about the Bridge of Khazad-dum. It was like watching the story forming under my eyes. 4mo
Daisey I generally find these outline sections fascinating! I‘m a few chapters behind but looking forward to getting to these new sections. 4mo
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All in all, quite a pitiful result 😶
It turned out to be quite a messy weekend, and it was so hot that l barely had any energy to do anything.

Oh, well. I made some progress and l wrote a #NetGalley review, so no complaining p😊

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All things considered, this was a quiet chapter. Tolkien had already asically achieve the published book form in the previous version (surprisingly, considering how many things were different) so here there were just adjustments.
I was still fascinated with the studies of the moon phases, which Tolkien always tries to get right.

Daisey Hoping to get to this chapter today! 4mo
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Playing catch up!
Read the creation of the Fellowship yesterday night. At last, we come to the Fellowship as we know it. Such a nice feeling to see them coming into their own.

It looks like Aragorn (who Tolkien briefly named Elfstone) is going to Minas Tirith with Boromir. I wonder whether that was a different story, or just a red herring since the loss of Gandalf is clearly already on the cards.

BookwormAHN I've always wondered how Denethor would have reacted to Boromir bringing Aragorn back as his king. 4mo
JazzFeathers @BookwormAHN That would be a story l'd gladly read 4mo
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Although l was enjoying How to Fracture a Fairy Tale, l've discovered reading antologies isn't the best choice for a reading challenge, at least for me.
So l've gone back to my #LOTRHistory readalong.

I'm a little behind. Need to catch up!

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I‘ve gotten behind on this readalong as I am trying to finish a few other books before the end of June. I enjoyed the development of the history in “The Council of Elrond” and I‘m glad to see the final composition of the fellowship coming together in the first few pages of this chapter.

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JazzFeathers I'm behind too. Trying to finish a #NetGalley ARC before it autodestroys in a few days 😆 4mo
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As far as l'm concerned, this chapter would be worth reading just for the enhacement in the history of the Dwarves 😍

Loved all the developments in this chapter. There's even a possible answer to those who always ask, but why don't the Eagels just fly Frodo to Mount Doom 😣

Daisey Looking forward to this; I‘m a bit behind at the moment. 4mo
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And on the fourth version of the Council of Elrond the story of how Gandalf was imprisoned finally finished a shape, which already looks a lot like the definitive one.
Radagast appears, Gwaihir appears and finally also Saruman.
Such a pivoting step.

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I'm loving this chapter so much that l made two graphic 😍
I mean, the story of Elendil and the Numenoreans in Middle-Earth. There are so many different versions here that l can practically see Tolkien's brain-gears spinning!
Loved the older versions, so different from the one in the book. Aragorn crossed with Boromir because his ancestors drove Aragorn's ancestors away from Osgiliath, basically betraying them.

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“There is nought you can do other than to resist, whether with hope or without it.”

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JazzFeathers I loved that quote too 😍 4mo
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And l still sometimes forget what an awesome character Elrond is, then a passage in the professor's prose and l remember.

In this second version the Fellowship of the Ring was stesso supposed to be of only seven members, two of the Hobbits were messing.

Apparently at this point Tolkien thought he was near the end of the story. Can't wait to see what happened that changed his mind.

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Loved this chapter! I'm fascinated with the history of this poem, which if often citerò as the very first story Tolkien wrote about his legendarium... or what it would become his legendarium.
We know a lot about Earendil, and still, reading this poem and its evolution, l can't help but think there would be a lot more to know about him.

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I started this chapter yesterday with breakfast and finished it this morning. When I first read Tolkien, I skimmed over the poetry, but I enjoy it more and more as I keep reading and rereading. The evolution of this poem was fascinating. I especially appreciated seeing the tiny section about Earendel‘s battle with Ungoliant, a story I‘ve often hoped to see in more detail.

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JazzFeathers Same here. I never imagined to enjoy Tolkien‘s poetry so much, but now l really like reading it. Ungoliant is an awesome character. On a FB Tolkien group we discussed her nature, once. Whether she is really as indipendent as she claims, whether she is an addict (to light) and whether she might be a maya herself. 4mo
Daisey @JazzFeathers Sounds like an interesting discussion. I know there is so much of his writing and world building available, but he created so many amazing characters that I always want more. 4mo
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Like an old game of telephone....he puts a poem out there and years later two separate people come back to him trying to trace that poem‘s original. It had traveled by word of mouth and then made it back to him...with a few changes.

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JazzFeathers Isn't that an awesome story? 4mo
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I loved the development in this chapter, and some of the sidenotes that obviously had an influence on later authors.

Funny, I always had an affinity for Dumbledore, now I know why...both of our names come from 🐝.

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Daisey I noted this section as well! 4mo
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