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A Backward Glance | Edith Wharton
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A Backward Glance - VI-VIII
(Next, Dec 6 IX-XI)
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Wharton‘s early works, through House of Mirth, but more about her “inner group” - with Walter Berry, and a magical section on Henry James:

“these elaborate hesitancies…were like a cobweb bridge flung from his mind to theirs, an invisible passage over which one knew that silver-footed ironies, veiled jokes, tiptoe malices, were stealing to explode a huge laugh at one's feet.”

Graywacke Also, I didn‘t know Emily Bronte wrote poetry! What a gorgeous poem - Remembrance: https://poets.org/poem/remembrance 3d
Graywacke On Walter Berry: “From my first volume of short stories to “Twilight Sleep”, the novel I published just before his death, nothing in my work escaped him, no detail was too trifling to be examined and discussed, gently ridiculed or quietly praised.” 3d
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Lcsmcat I underlined so many sections! I was particularly amused by her description of New York conversation being like the gossip column of a country newspaper. (My NYC daughter would be incensed!) 3d
Lcsmcat “I remember once saying that I was a failure in Boston. . . because they thought I was too fashionable to be intelligent, and a failure in New York because they were afraid I was too intelligent to be fashionable.” 3d
Lcsmcat “None of my relations ever spoke to me of my books, either to praise or blame-they simply ignored them; and among the immense tribe of my New York cousins, though it included many with whom I was on terms of affectionate intimacy, the subject was avoided as though it were a kind of family disgrace, which might be condoned but could not be forgotten.” 3d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat it‘s a gorgeous section. So inspiring and interesting and amusing. I remember these quotes! 3d
Leftcoastzen I especially love the quote about her family not being interested in her books ! Hilarious they are ! As I think she noted if she was in a British or European family it would be of interest! 3d
Leftcoastzen I like how she discusses her friends and mentors. I read a lot of lost generation writers and in their time they seemed to act like they rose out of the ashes of war fully formed, and owed nothing to the earlier generations of writers. 3d
Currey @Lcsmcat Yes, you picked the perfect quotes for this section. I loved the part on Henry James, instead of making him appear more stuffy, it made him more vulnerable, more insecure and therefore more powerful to rise out of that to write how he wrote. And how could a family just ignore the very thing that is the core of you. She does not have much good to say about her husband does she? 3d
Lcsmcat @Leftcoastzen I liked how she gave her mentors and informal editors credit too. And how she was honest about her early stuff. I don‘t have my copy in front of me now, but there was something about not having a personality of her own until the first collection of short stories was published. 3d
Lcsmcat @Currey Yes, Henry James‘ personality really comes through. 3d
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen well - this lost generation were essentially chanting, “down with Edith Wharton” 🙂 3d
Graywacke @Currey @Lcsmcat Henry James comes out so lovable 3d
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen @Lcsmcat that names were so interesting! The social fabric that she sook out by intent 3d
Lcsmcat @Graywacke @Leftcoastzen And she skewered the lost generation too with “the amusing thing about the turn of the wheel is that we who fought the good fight are now jeered as the prigs and prudes who barred the way to complete expression—as perhaps we should have tried to do, had we known it was to cause creative art to be abandoned for pathology.” 3d
jewright I‘m late commenting, but I thought there would be more about her marriage, but not so far, other than their trips. I did enjoy the parts about Henry James. 2d
Lcsmcat Has this section and the one just started for next week exploded anyone else‘s TBR, or is it just me? 2d
Graywacke @Lcsmcat other than needing to read everything by Henry James? 2d
Graywacke @jewright she‘s quiet quiet on that so far. And it‘s coming to an end 2d
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Graywacke
A Backward Glance | Edith Wharton
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👆Land‘s End - Wharton‘s Newport RI home

A Backward Glance - Chapters I-V
(Next week, Nov 29, chapters VI-VIII )

Before Newport, there is Rome, Alhambra, Paris, Bad Wildbad (Germany), old brownstone Manhattan, Florence and a yacht tour of the Aegean. We also meet Egerton Winthrop, Ogden Codman, Walter Berry, and kinda/sorta Mr. Wharton. Lush stuff, presented as natural and even middle class. The leisure class world. Thoughts?

Graywacke @CarolynM - looks like your handle didn‘t take above 1w
Graywacke Scroll down for a video of Land‘s End. It recently sold for $8.6 million. Be sure to check out the backyard views. https://liladelman.com/listing/42-ledge-rd-newport/ 1w
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Currey @Graywacke ah, yes, nice middle class views 1w
Leftcoastzen Her writing is just wonderful , as always! I knew we were not going to get true confessions! 😁Her descriptions of her travels with such details of the art & architecture, great . I love the details of how NYC changed from her youth . And her love of books and her father‘s library ! I know people of means loved the long vacation tours . It was harder then , but they had nothing to compare it to . Part of their education indeed ! 1w
Currey @Graywacke She does indeed seem to believe that she was middle class but during that era, the life she describes is not middle class. Her father‘s reversals of fortunes even did not leave them destitute but only forced them to live a cheaper life in Europe. 1w
Currey @Graywacke @leftcoastzen I really enjoyed the section about her mother‘s English and how that reflected exactly their place in society. And as always, it is wonderful to be back in Wharton‘s prose. I also was delighted to see how her life travels turned up later in her books 1w
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen that prose. How does she do it? It‘s the first thing I notice here is how lovely that voice is. Relaxes this reader immediately 1w
Graywacke @Currey right. I think she is clearly advertising the lost joys of the leisure class. But she can‘t bring herself to acknowledge it wasn‘t the fairest of lives. So she pleads denial, while fronting amazing travel, food, books and houses. But - what a childhood! And I love the visual impressions of 1870‘s Manhattan (edited) 1w
Graywacke @Currey one side trip to the accidentally wrong part of the Alps formed the basis of 3 books! I was also fascinated by the focus on the proper spoken English 1w
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen @Currey i‘m so happy you‘re enjoying. I didn‘t know what to expect. It feels lovely so far 1w
Lcsmcat Wow. If that‘s middle class, I‘m destitute. 😂 I think it shows how many even more wealthy people she hung around with! 1w
Lcsmcat I loved her mention of the (then) unpublished Fast and Loose “It was destined for the private enjoyment of a girlfriend, and was never exposed to the garish light of print.” 1w
Lcsmcat She did seem to be trying to justify her privilege. “In every society there is the room, and the need, for a cultivated leisure class” Is there really, Edith, is there really? 1w
Graywacke @Lcsmcat can i volunteer to take that role - for the civic wellbeing? 1w
Graywacke She was a wonderful reader. A quote: “There was in me a secret retreat where I wished no one to intrude, or at least no one whom I had yet encountered. Words and cadences haunted it like song-birds in a magic wood, and I wanted to be able to steal away and listen when they called.” 1w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke Why not? Edith says we need one. 😂 1w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke Per your quote, I wonder if that desire of hers was part of the reason her marriage failed - a la Hudson River Bracketed. She needed more interior life than her society was willing to allow her? 1w
Graywacke @Lcsmcat there were larger issues. He mentally broke down (and emptied her trust secretly) 1w
Lcsmcat @Graywacke And yet she (so far at least) makes no attempt to foreshadow this, which I find odd. 1w
Graywacke @Lcsmcat yes. She hasn‘t said his name, or anything significant about their relationship or his personality. 1w
TheBookHippie Sorry so late! I love the prose. I just love it. As for the leisure class is there a sign up?? The video was a WOWOWOW. Do you think she thought she was middle class??? As for the English it reminded me of my Grandmother who knew the upper and lower class French, Dutch and Yiddish (as it was used) she would say that‘s a scrub woman‘s French of Dutch- I would about pass out ..however she used that in ⬇️ (edited) 1w
TheBookHippie ⬆️volunteering in nursing homes with senile or Alzheimer patients as they‘d lose English immediately if they were immigrants and or refugees like she was- (back in the 1960- 1980s) she felt she owed it to help. 1w
TheBookHippie The not mentioning the MR is saying A LOT. I‘m very much loving this. Do you think she wanted to be single but society didn‘t allow it? 1w
Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie I don‘t know if she wanted to be single when she was young, but I think she didn‘t want to repeat the experiment when older. 😀 1w
Graywacke @TheBookHippie a scrub woman‘s French of Dutch. 🙂 You‘re not late. No clocks here. And I‘m with you on the prose! 1w
TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat For sure that! 1w
TheBookHippie @Graywacke my Bubbe was something ELSE. The prose is so very good. 1w
jewright She certainly had a fascinating childhood. I can‘t imagine spending so much time traveling. I always find people‘s earliest memories interesting, and that‘s how she started the book. 1w
Graywacke @jewright me too - I enjoy reading about early childhoods. I‘m fascinated by the nature of traveling in the 1860‘s & 1870‘s. (I tend to forget she was a child of this era. I think of her as an early 20th century person because that‘s when she started publishing. But she had a lived a lot before that) 1w
CarolynM I haven‘t had a chance to get to this yet. Hoping to catch you up before the end 🙂 1w
Graywacke @CarolynM i was worried about reading it. But it‘s been lovely. Read when you can. Glad you gave an update. 1w
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Graywacke
A Backward Glance | Edith Wharton
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Lush life 2 - the books! #whartonbuddyread

Lcsmcat Loved this section. I can visualize that library! 2w
Leftcoastzen Yes ! I loved this section! 2w
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Graywacke
A Backward Glance | Edith Wharton
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Lush life. The food! #whartonbuddyread

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Graywacke
A Backward Glance | Edith Wharton
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#whartonbuddyread - I‘m finally starting. Chat Saturday!

Leftcoastzen I need to start ASAP!😄 2w
Lcsmcat I‘m finding it a quick read so far. (Love the 🐈‍⬛mug!) 2w
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen I need to get going too. 🙂 I‘m behind my planned schedule. @Lcsmcat glad it‘s fast! The opening chapter reminded me how wonderful her prose can be. 2w
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Mehso-so

What happens when a teenager marries for the money? Edith Wharton wrote this novella when she was 14. It was published posthumously.

I was surprised to see something of Wharton's prose voice already. Also she was really funny. Teenager sass, but still literary.

It has problems everywhere. But it's still fun, and I enjoyed reading it. #whartonbuddyread

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Graywacke
A Backward Glance | Edith Wharton
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#whartonbuddyread - how committed are you? 🙂 Here‘s the plan for Wharton‘s notoriously unrevealing autobiography. We‘ll learn what she wants us to learn about her parents and Henry James, etc - I think.

Are you in?

Plan:
Nov 22 chapter I-V Friendship and Travels
Nov 29 chapter VI-VIII Henry James
Dec 6 chapter IX-XI Paris
Dec 13 chapter XII-XIV And After

Lcsmcat I‘m in! 1mo
TheBookHippie Looks okay to me. I don‘t have much on my plate reading wise currently. 1mo
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Graywacke @Lcsmcat ❤️ 1mo
Leftcoastzen I‘m in ! 1mo
Graywacke @TheBookHippie then you must join! 😁🙂 1mo
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen ❤️ yay 1mo
jewright I‘m in! 1mo
Currey Yes, I‘m in 1mo
CarolynM I‘ll try😬 4w
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CarolynM
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Mehso-so

Edith Wharton was only 14 when she wrote this, and it shows. An interesting bit of juvenilia nonetheless. #WhartonBuddyRead Thanks @Graywacke @Lcsmcat and fellow buddy readers.

Photo is Dunedin harbour from the turret of Lanarch Castle

Centique I love Larnach Castle! So glad you got to see it. I found walking up that spiral staircase a bit claustrophobic! 1mo
CarolynM @Centique It‘s quite something! Beautiful gardens too. The guide was trying to put us off climbing up to the turret by going on about the spiral stairs, so it seemed ok to me versus what I was expecting😆 And the view was definitely worth it! 1mo
LeahBergen Beautiful photo! 1mo
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Hooked_on_books Your picture is gorgeous! 🤩 1mo
sarahbarnes Wow, only 14?! That‘s crazy. 1mo
Cathythoughts Beautiful spot 💚 1mo
CarolynM @Cathythoughts It really is! We didn‘t get to spend enough time in Dunedin, hopefully we will get to visit again sometime. 1mo
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So #whartonbuddyread - what did you think?

Edith Wharton wrote this novella (or novelette) in 1876/77 when she was 14. And she gave herself a man‘s name as author - David Olivieri.

I have things to say, but i‘ll wait to hear what others thought. I will leave you with one word: ‘and‘ - one of many missing ‘and‘s in the text. Please make free use of it, as needed or desired

Currey Yes, yes, yes, the missing and. A writer even at 14, finding the right word, the right rhythm and being inclusive of possible words instead of picking exactly which one was the correct one. At times it came across as “modern” and at times just immaturity as a writer. 1mo
Currey @Graywacke and at times, it worked. I felt the dialogue was not Wharton but amazing that many of the themes were already beginning to show themselves. 1mo
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Lcsmcat It reminded me of Austen‘s juvenilia in that the style was more “what‘s popular now” than truly Wharton. But the unhappy marriage theme started early with her, didn‘t it??? 1mo
Currey @Graywacke the plot a teenager‘s melodrama but even the neutral/sad ending reflected endings to come. 1mo
Lcsmcat @Currey We posted simultaneously or I‘d think I copied your opinion. 😂 1mo
Currey @Lcsmcat was her parent‘s marriage unhappy that we know of? 1mo
Lcsmcat @Currey I don‘t know. I need to read her biography. 1mo
Graywacke @Lcsmcat i want to read A Backward Glance next, and then Hermione Lee‘s biography. 🙂 1mo
Graywacke @Currey on your first post - it struck me that the opening section (which i think was the best part of the book) had a Wharton prose feel. It was very look-at-this-clever-playful-teenager-writing. But it also felt like Wharton‘s voice doing that. I was entertained. Because it‘s actually really funny. But also fascinated at seeing it. 1mo
Graywacke @Currey on your second comment - there are definitely better and worse parts. I assumed she hated Madeline, because the section that introduced her (and those Persephone flowers) felt like the worst written part of the book. The author wasn‘t interested… ☺️🙂 1mo
Graywacke @Lcsmcat if there‘s interest. Definitely. Both are commitments. (edited) 1mo
Graywacke @Lcsmcat and @Currey - unhappy marriages and killing off the best character - two resilient Wharton themes in nascent form. 1mo
Graywacke Another thing that struck me was obviously fun this teenager was having writing this book. It‘s always playful. 1mo
rubyslippersreads I enjoyed it, as an entertaining if melodramatic story, and as a glimpse of things to come. 1mo
Lcsmcat @Graywacke @Currey She really didn‘t seem to like Madeleine! She seems more interested in unhappy people. I wonder if she read a lot of Bronte or Dickens? 1mo
Leftcoastzen Yes I just finished! Some of the melodrama was a bit eye rolling, yet , the themes that she would use in her most masterful works are already coming out . I enjoyed it . I agree there was some delightful playfulness in the book . 1mo
CarolynM I‘m glad to see she was so young when she wrote it because my overall impression was how juvenile it was. It was melodramatic, predictable and often somehow just a little off the mark - someone writing about things they didn‘t really understand. But interesting to see that she was already concerned with the roles women play. 1mo
Graywacke @rubyslippersreads I felt that glimpse too! 1mo
Graywacke @Lcsmcat M was a nauseating Miss Perfect. ☺️ 1mo
Graywacke @Leftcoastzen glad you enjoyed! And saw the playfulness 1mo
Graywacke @CarolynM no question. That‘s all true - your melodramatic sentence 1mo
Currey @Graywacke @Lcsmcat I can imagine a 14 yr old Wharton aiming her venom at all those sweet prissy NY debutants and naming them Mad. 1mo
TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat I got Brontë from this! 1mo
TheBookHippie @Graywacke busy protest day sorry for the lateness! I too could see her in the beginning and I also wonder what did she see of marriage and or did it not appeal to her ? I enjoyed this look into her writing. 1mo
TheBookHippie @Currey for sure .. re: venom. 1mo
TheBookHippie @Leftcoastzen yes! Playfulness! 1mo
TheBookHippie My reading til end of year and next is open to more Wharton. I don‘t have a huge load. 1mo
Graywacke @TheBookHippie go you on the No Kings or pumpkins protests! I‘m thinking A Backwards Glance Nov/Dec… 1mo
TheBookHippie @Graywacke sounds good. No Kings was amazing here. Good boost of hope and many literary signs. 1mo
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