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@BarbaraJean I want to read The Promise from your list (and The Chosen, the book that precedes it)…but I‘m also hyper-conscious of the fact that I need to increase my awareness about our current political reality & the history that‘s gotten us here. It feels daunting…and it feels important.

A friend recommended some resources (which I‘ll link to in the comments). If anyone has additional (or contrary) suggestions or advice, please let me know.💞

monalyisha Overview: https://youtu.be/kI_spMxp6t8?si=eh_VjTndfIfxtwJ_ 4mo

monalyisha Documentary: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt16378034/ 4mo

monalyisha Book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/77920745-a-day-in-the-life-of-abed-salama 4mo

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monalyisha Interview (with the author): https://open.spotify.com/episode/7fX4pPcSOHBG6eruqT0wJG?si=SP3a2cnlSiWQNsB8whLD-... 4mo

monalyisha #AuldLangSpine 4mo

Sapphire I love Chaim Potok. He is one of my all time favorite authors and I have read everything he wrote. He gives a portrayal of observant Judaism of his time (and issues of identity converging with modernity). I am not sure how much it is a history of the nation-state of Israel. 4mo

monalyisha @Sapphire I don‘t know that I expect(ed) it to be. It just kind of feels wrong for me to pay attention to the fiction and not to the world, you know? I‘m probably overthinking it. I tend to do that. 😉 But whatever leads me into pursuing more knowledge and awareness can‘t be bad, right? Maybe I‘ll just make these twin commitments adjacent to one another but not consider them inextricably linked, or make one a prerequisite of the other. 4mo

Sapphire @monalyisha I totally get that. Not unbiased, but check out Bill Maher on YouTube for his recent statement about the current war. While it‘s not about Israel per se, Mary Doris Russell‘s “Dreamers of the Day” is an amazing tale of how the modern Middle East was drawn by people who had little to no knowledge of the region and its people. The author was an anthropologist before becoming a writer and commits to research I highly recommend it. 4mo

monalyisha The book sounds great! Adding it now. 💓 (Will look into the statement, too.) 4mo

BarbaraJean I hear you on this. This topic is so charged and so complicated. I‘m going to check out the resources you posted—I haven‘t had the emotional bandwidth to engage with this more deeply, but I know I need to. Also, I echo @Sapphire re: Potok in general, and this book particularly—it examines Judaism much more closely, in a specific place and time (New York City post-WWII), rather than looking at broader historical context. But I very much ⤵️ (edited) 4mo

BarbaraJean Cont‘d) …understand the desire to broaden the focus (and the tendency to overthink!). I‘m definitely interested in your adjacent project. For what it‘s worth, I read the tagged book YEARS ago, but it gave me a much more complex perspective on modern Palestine/Israel than I had previously considered. Other recs: I recently added Yehuda Amichai‘s poetry to my TBR, and would also recommend Naomi Shihab Nye, a contemporary Palestinian American poet.

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monalyisha @BarbaraJean OoOo. I may consider the Naomi Shihab Nye an official #AuldLangSpine recommendation. I‘ve loved every poem of hers I‘ve ever stumbled across (especially Valentine for Ernest Mann). 🖤🤍 4mo

monalyisha @BarbaraJean Also, should I read The Chosen first, do you think? Would my reading experience be enriched? Or should I just head right into The Promise? 4mo

BarbaraJean Oh, definitely put Naomi Shihab Nye in the mix! I love her so much. My favorite is Red Suitcase (which has Valentine for Ernest Mann as well as another favorite, Shoulders). More recent/related to current events is the tagged, which I'd also highly recommend! With The Chosen/The Promise, they both work well as standalones. The Chosen gives you the main characters' growing-up years, but I don't think The Promise suffers without that context.

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BarbaraJean My caveat is that it's been over 10 years since I read The Chosen, so my own memory of it is a bit... faded. The ideas in The Promise were SO fascinating, though, that I wanted to go back and re-read them both--so take that for what it's worth! 4mo

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Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots | Deborah Feldman

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I waited so long for this to actually come to the library and then for it to be my turn to listen to it
I loved it and now I can watch the Netflix series
Men shouldn‘t be allowed to be in charge of anything imo

Tamra I‘ve watched a documentary about an ultra orthodox Hasidic community (NYC?) and the control was frightening and abusive. Very closed community. I will check out this film. (edited) 5mo

mcctrish @Tamra ages ago I saw a documentary about Hasidic women in nyc who began their own EMT. Before they often died because they couldn‘t go to the hospital- DF sees a number of medical professionals so I‘m not sure if she had slightly more freedom or 🤷🏻‍♀️but the control and ignorance is front and centre in this book 5mo

Tamra @mcctrish the one I saw featured a woman trying to divorce her husband w/o losing her kids. I recall reading secular library books was forbidden and children‘s school books were heavily censored. 😕 (edited) 5mo

mcctrish @Tamra they are are forbidden. One of the reasons DF is semi okay with the arranged marriage is because she will be able to read without hiding it until her sister in law gets involved and then she has to give away all her books. I wanted to punch that bish out 5mo

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mcctrish

Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots | Deborah Feldman

I took a mental health day ❤️ I made a big breakfast for my husband who still went to school, I puttered, I went to the post office and finally mailed a package that‘s been waiting for months to get sent ( I have beat the baby‘s arrival so yay me) I bought my sister a Christmas present, got McDonald‘s for lunch and I‘m making chicken stew for dinner. I feel like a human being instead of a crazy educator for once

Tamra Yay for you!! 5mo

mcctrish @Tamra I can‘t stop smiling 5mo

Ruthiella Excellent! ❤️ 5mo

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mcctrish

Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots | Deborah Feldman

I have waited for this forever

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Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots | Deborah Feldman

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This was about Deborah‘s experiences growing up in a strict Hasidic sect in Williamsburg, NY. Her discovery of books and reading, learning to think for herself and what lead to her decision to leave.

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BarbaraJean

The Promise | Chaim Potok

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The Promise is a sequel to Potok‘s The Chosen, and it‘s just as thought-provoking & reflective. It follows Reuven Malter, a young Orthodox Jew in post-WWII NYC, during his time in seminary, as he struggles to define his faith in contrast to more conservative and more liberal sects within his community. I was fascinated by parallels to contemporary debates between fundamentalist/evangelical Christians & more progressive versions of Christianity.⤵️

BarbaraJean There‘s another thread to the plot that I was conflicted about—Reuven is caught up in helping a troubled boy, the son of a progressive Jewish scholar. The descriptions of and theory behind the treatment this boy receives feels very dated (granted, this was written in the 60s), and that whole thread felt a bit overwrought. But that aside, the ideas this explores are fascinating. I‘m wanting to go back and re-read The Chosen & then read this again! 9mo

BarbaraJean #SeriesLove2023 prompted me to finally read this sequel, and I‘m using it for #1969 in the #192025 challenge. @TheSpineView @Andrew65 @Librarybelle (edited) 9mo

MommyWantsToReadHerBook It makes me happy that my good friend is reading these books that I love so much and have read so many times! I always find the parallels with conservative Christians fascinating. 9mo

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TheSpineView Great job!😊🌞📖 9mo

TheLudicReader I remember reading The Chosen as a kid…and seeing the movie with Robby Benson, with whom I was madly in love for most of my teenage years. (edited) 9mo

BarbaraJean @MommyWantsToReadHerBook 💜 💜 I think Art of Soul read The Chosen right after I left; I remember reading it on my own and wishing I could join you all to discuss it!! @TheLudicReader I didn't know there was a movie! I will have to track that down! 9mo

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60 Days: A Spiritual Guide to the High Holidays | Simon Jacobson

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DinoMom Thanks for sharing! 9mo

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BarbaraJean

The Promise | Chaim Potok

“…often I would read as I walked—and one day I bumped heavily into a sycamore and bruised my knee. But the book I was reading remained undamaged and I walked more carefully from then on, but continued reading. I lived in a world two thousand years in the past, in a time when sages had been remarkably unafraid of new ideas…”

💜📚🌳

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BarbaraJean

The Promise | Chaim Potok

Well, my goal for #SeriesLove2023 was to finish at least one series book per month (not counting #LittleHouse). I‘ve done that, except I didn‘t mean to start 3 new series! 🤦🏻‍♀️

I caught up on Murderbot & read the new Wayward Children, read two sequels, & have one more sequel in progress (tagged). But I want to focus on in-progress series for the rest of the year: Chronicles of St. Mary‘s and the Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries are top of the list.

Andrew65, TheSpineView

Andrew65 Brilliant 👏👏👏 That is what happens, we start other series! 10mo

Karisimo I love Murderbot too! 10mo

TheSpineView Fantastic! I always have multiple series going at once. 10mo

BarbaraJean @Karisimo When I saw Murderbot on your Auld Lang Spine list, I knew it would be a good list! 😁 10mo

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The Promise | Chaim Potok

“How is one to react to the discoveries of modern Biblical scholarship? How might one not believe literally in the Bible and still remain a traditional Jew? Are total belief or total abandonment the only available choices, or is it possible to reinterpret ancient beliefs in a way that will make them relevant to the modern world and at the same time not cause one to abandon the tradition?”

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