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A Fighting Chance | Elizabeth Warren
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So far my favorite of #ReadTheCandadites. It covers her early life, marriage, teaching, through when Washington came to her for expertise during the financial meltdown. It follows her life as she began to be more public about fighting for A Fighting Chance for everyone up until her run for Senate. It‘s a great candidate read, but also a great read for an insight into Washington from an outsider POV and into the forces that caused the meltdown.

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A Fighting Chance | Elizabeth Warren
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Found the audio of this on Hoopla, and I‘m glad I have the hardback (bought on the cheap) too. Loving her story and ideas already. And I remember seeing her on Jon Stewart way back when, and thinking “I finally understand these issues!” This is my 4th for #readthecandidates !


Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think that was the first time I saw her too! And yes, I immediately understood what she was trying to explain about the banking crisis then. 1mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Funny thing we have the same memory! You‘re going to love this book. 👊🏻 1mo
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Sir Thursday | Garth Nix
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I am so far behind.... behind on Thursday.
1. A bunch...Becoming, Murderbot, Feminasty, The Color of Law, We‘re Going to Need More Wine
2. Henry, Part II by Shakespeare. I DNF‘d that one
3. Testaments
4. I‘m behind on all of those too! Behind on my Goodreads, #MountTBR, and behind in my #NFBuddyRead with @BarbaraTheBibliophage
5. I‘m sure you‘ve all answered this already! 🤪

TGIF maybe I can catch up some this weekend.


BarbaraTheBibliophage I kind of lost track of our May pick ... still interested in it? Shall we aim for June then? 🤪 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Well I still have April‘s to read and May‘s 😂. In April I started White Rage and then put it down for library hold‘s that came in and just never got back to it. May was supposed to be Elizabeth Warren‘s A Fighting Chance and yes, I‘m still interesting in reading that one. Maybe I can catch up with both this June.....if I get going🤪 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage Haha. I was mixed up. I thought May was White Rage. But I‘d rather read the Elizabeth Warren next. 2mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage So you‘ve read White Rage, but still have A Fighting Chance to read yet too? 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa No, I haven‘t read either. 🤪 Yet ...! 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Well then, I guess technically I‘m not behind then either. Hahahaha! We both just took a sabbatical there. 🤫 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yeah ... no worries. So the Warren this month?? 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Ok, so do you want to try and read both in June as a catch up month or Elizabeth Warren in June and push White Rage over into July? 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I love that we both posted at the same time “now” 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage Haha. Me too. 👊🏻 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage and yes, let‘s do Warren this month and White Rage next month since we have the other Nonfiction books coming this summer too. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage I agree, That works great for me too! 2mo
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If you enjoy history, especially about women‘s lives, this is densely populated with information. Its comedic attitude helps the bitter realities go down more easily. I thought it was funny. Until it was just overwhelmingly sad and depressing. The misogyny, people.

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BarbaraTheBibliophage @Gezemice Oh well, it‘s no problem really. I think some books are dependent on the timing of when you read them. And I have some weird baggage with all that Victorian language from the quotes. The cult / religion I grew up in used a book full of gobbledygook in that style. Every time I read language like that, I feel blocked and triggered. Just figuring this out after being out of that cult for 30 years. Go figure. 3mo
Gezemice @BarbaraTheBibliophage Oh I am sorry! Yes, I understand, I sometimes cannot read some books because they are too painful for some personal reason. Such as rage or calling people names like the r word. I could not finish “The Man Who Took His Wife For a Hat” for that reason. 3mo
Gezemice @BarbaraTheBibliophage I am listening to “The Woman in White” and it seems like this book in action - how full a control a husband exerted over his wife, and how much a woman was to the mercy of men - guardians, husbands - is at the core of this otherwise exciting mystery. 3mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Gezemice It‘s all good. I sold the book to my fav used book seller and have moved on! 🤪 Thanks for the heads up on The Woman in White. I‘ve got it on my Audible shelf—now I know to wait for a while before tackling it! (edited) 3mo
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#LitsyPSA: For anyone who has seen the recent posts hashtagged #NFBuddyRead and thought, hey, that book sounds interesting, you can get the ebook for $3.99.

BarbaraTheBibliophage Good point!! 4mo
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After finishing this book, this still stands out to me - under a bajillion layers of clothing, the Victorian lady went commando in the crotch area, like Paris Hilton. It apparently had to do with the impossibility of lifting those skirts to go to the bathroom. Who would have thunk?
#nfbuddyread @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Right, can‘t get all those layers off in a hurry! It made me think of the old one piece long underwear with a seat flap. 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Just to think they did not even use much during their periods! Madness! And the comment about the Moulin Rouge... I had no idea! 4mo
Slajaunie 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 4mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice Yes, I honestly had never thought of that either....my innocent self thought it was all those high kicks and ankles and legs showing, like the Rockettes.🤪😱😂 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yep, they always tell you that the sight of an ankle was scandalous. But ne thinks a lady falling over was way more scandalous back then than it would be now... I wonder if the period costumes in movies allow the ladies to go to the bathroom... 4mo
Crazeedi This looks like a rather interesting book!! 4mo
Gezemice @Crazeedi Well, who would not be interested in crotchless drawers? 😉 4mo
Crazeedi @Gezemice exactly, lol😁😁 4mo
GingerAntics Well you also have to remember, underpants are a modern invention. No one worn them, for the reasons we now wear them, until rather recently. Probably the last 100 years-ish. 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics I did not know that, but gross. 4mo
GingerAntics 🤣😂🤣 actually, underpants aren‘t even universal. When you can barely afford clothes, underpants aren‘t really important. Most countries still don‘t wear underpants. It‘s a western thing, really. Why is it gross? It‘s actually healthier, especially for females, to not wear them. They just create humidity where you really don‘t want it. 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics It is amazing to have historians around. Love it! But still gross. All sorts of fluids leak out if you are not wearing them. And get on your outer clothes. And things you might sit on. Which might get into your lady parts. And who knows who sat there before... Ugh. Nope, gross, thank you! Although I concede the humidity thing in hot climates. I did do some googling though... and tgey do wear loin cloths! 4mo
GingerAntics Yeah, loin cloths do sometimes function as something similar. Someone dared me to run commando once, dude it was freeing. No wedgie and absolutely everything evaporates through the “cool 360” wicking fabric. 😆 when it‘s too cold I don‘t do it, but especially when it‘s 100 degrees outside, it‘s a game changer. 4mo
GingerAntics Where are you sitting with no trousers/jeans/skirts on that you‘re concerned with who sat there last? 😂 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics I‘ll just call you Paris Hilton from now on. 😉 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics I think most of my clothes would feel gross after I sat down and then I got up... Also, miniskirts! And if you are wearing your jeans without underwear, you better wash it every day. I don‘t. Not to mention the clothes that are dry clean only. As far as sitting, this explains why women in India who are menstrating are banished to the grass hut. Tgey sit on the floor while cooking!! 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics When I had to wear pantyhose to work (Victorians were not the only ones with torturous underwear) I did the concession to stockings with garters and long, loose skirts in the summer months, and indeed it was freeing. But that‘s as far as I got in that arena... I am just glad pantyhose is mostly a thing of the past. (edited) 4mo
GingerAntics Oh I would never do jeans, that would be a bit rough, I would think. I generally wear underwear, I just don‘t find anything wrong with choosing not to. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I don‘t know about the mini skirt thing. If your skirt is so short it doesn‘t cover your butt when you sit, it‘s probably too short. 4mo
GingerAntics Oh god I hate pantyhose. I must be allergic to something in those and tights. They always made me itch. The pantyhose less than the tights, but still. 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics Miniskirts are long enough to sit. But the view... 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics It‘s the material - pantyhose makes you sweat. I hated the smell of my own feet! I never had such smelly feet in socks or bare feet. Tights don‘t give me a problem if they are mostly cotton, but all sythetics is bad. 4mo
GingerAntics I‘ll give you that on the view. Yeah. That would be creepy. Pantyhose do make you smell weird. I remember that. I don‘t know if I ever had cotton tights. I probably would have been okay with those...maybe. It didn‘t help that my grandmother insisted I wear tights, so to “help” me she would lather me with lotion and then put baby powder on top. I was basically pasted into these things. It was gross. 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics Ouch! Thankfully no one insisted that I wear tights as a child. I do it occasionally nowadays although I am mostly for jeans. But they go well with a miniskirt in the winter. I would never wear them on their own like so many do nowadays. I feel like that‘s too much public info about your butt. 4mo
GingerAntics We may be talking about two different things. I‘ve never seen anyone wear just tights (like pantyhose but thicker, and very popular for little girls in winter when dresses are required - I had to wear them at Christmas and for my First Communion). Leggings are the thin, stretchy pants things. People are wearing leggings alone now, especially the workout ones. I love how now they‘re being called “jeggings.” No idea what the hell is up with that. 4mo
Gezemice @GingerAntics Well they are the same thing here. Kinda confusing. Jeggings are keggings that are jeans patterned or jeans material. 4mo
GingerAntics 🤦🏼‍♀️ dear god why smh 4mo
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I quite enjoyed this snarky look at the past, It‘s so interesting to look into a past we continually romanticize (and some what to return to those glorified eras), but I love these looks back with modern eyes, and the stark reminder that not everything was rose-tinted. Life was hard and progress, with the science, knowledge, and understanding that created it, isn‘t something we should ever wish away.


Gezemice I thought it was great that it was written with lots of humor. It would have been rather depressing otherwise. On the other hand, we don‘t normally get the lowdown on what it was really like in any historical era. I am quite sure the Tudor court was way worse. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice I‘m betting the further back, definitely...then you were beheaded if you didn‘t produce a male heir, because of course, it was the lady‘s fault. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice But yes, the humor bit about outing the era‘s issues to a person of the modern era really worked for me. It reminded me a bit of Anthony Bourdain‘s Typhoid Mary book, historical and honest, but snarky and fun as well. (edited) 4mo
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Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Typhoid Mary sounds fun, did not know it was humorous. But Get Well Soon was about plagues, and it was humorous, too, even had Typhoid Mary in it! It is interesting that many choose humor to talk of disgusting things. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice I think it‘s a way to make them more palatable. I‘ll definitely have to check out Get Well Soon. I wouldn‘t say Typhoid Mary was meant to be humorous, but the author‘s snark and as a cook putting himself in her shoes just made it a great take on an otherwise heavy subject. 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Kitchen Confidential is on my list. He sounds like a good author to check out. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice It‘s on my long list too. 4mo
Megabooks Hey! If y‘all do any more of these, can I join in? (edited) 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Megabooks You most definitely can! We are running a bit behind, this was March‘s pick...April‘s book is White Rage which we‘ll get to, hopefully before May.🤞 4mo
Megabooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa My library doesn‘t have that, but I‘ve requested it. It was on my TBR already! 👍🏻 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Megabooks Great! That‘s actually how @BarbaraTheBibliophage and I made our list when we started this Nonfiction books that had been sitting on our shelves and TBR lists for way too long. I‘m so happy you are interested in joining in! 4mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I wish I‘d been able to keep my feelings on the humorous side. After about 100 pages, I just got depressed for all these women. And also for how far we haven‘t come. Sure, we aren‘t forced to live in a filthy house with dirt floors (although globally, plenty of women still do). But the misogyny was just utterly overwhelming for me. I wanted to cry, even though the author was trying to make me laugh. 4mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Megabooks Yes, please join us! I can invite you and @Gezemice to the Google doc we have with our list. As long as I remember after I get home from work today ... 🤪 4mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Gezemice I thought Bourdain‘s Typhoid Mary was funnier and less forced. It was also shorter, which worked in its favor. I‘ve listened to him narrate his book Medium Raw, and loved it. 4mo
Gezemice @BarbaraTheBibliophage An invite would be great! Thank you! And it is lovely for you to join, @Megabooks ! (edited) 4mo
Gezemice @BarbaraTheBibliophage I definitely understand that some books just make us upset. I like history and I know this is part of history and I can deal with it. I am less able to deal with current things - so I will be skipping White Rage. I am quite ok with Victorian mysogyny but current rage about anything is too real. I am trying to block it out but still finds its way in daily... I am rather for finding peace nowadays @Riveted_Reader_Melissa 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice I can understand that...I‘ve been trying to balance by alternating around. I don‘t expect every book to be for ever one. 4mo
Megabooks @BarbaraTheBibliophage @Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Thank you for the warm welcome! 🥰 I didn‘t find Typhoid Mary funny as much as touching, but it‘s been about 10 years since I‘ve read it. The audiobook of Unmentionable makes it a bit more fun than the print, but you miss out on the illustrations. I‘m with Marta as far as being able to digest far past struggles better than current ones. 4mo
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And divorce men who hurt us. And do whatever work we want or need to do to make our lives as we would have them.”
“Come on. We‘ll grab some fat-free froyo, text our partners to remind them they promised to make stir-fry tonight. We‘ll fill a shopping cart to spilling with safe, effective ibuprofen and tampons and shampoo. Just because we can.”

Best Conclusion! 😂👍

Keep nudging ladies, together now!


Gezemice Oh yeah, great, fun look-ahead. To put things into prespective. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice She has another book coming out soon about child rearing at that time, I may have to check it out...eventually. 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Neat! I will have to take a look, too! I am on a history kick now. 4mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice I love the fun and funny history books. Have you ever read Packing For Mars? 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa No but I recently ran across it somewhere and noted it under “might read”. I am not surprised you recommending it :) I think might be Hoopla. I discovered I can get five books a month - not much but no waiting... and not too many books but some look pretty good. And a good selection of classics on audio. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice You finally got Hoopla! I read a lot of my comics from there...I just read the newest Walking Dead and the new Sleepless. 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I saw the newest Sleepless! But I said only five so I gotta pace myself. 4mo
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In this snarky look at the Victorian underbelly, or rather, underskirt, Therese O‘Neill tells us all a lady needs to survive in this romantic era of filth, diseases, complete subjugation of women, and crotchless underwear. We learn (or rather, are told by Victorian men), how to menstruate, stay innocent until wedding night, cope with our husband‘s syphillis, flirt with a kerchief, and where to put our forks at dinner. Lots of fun. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Gezemice Enjoyable history, very snarky, easy read with many illustrations. #nfbuddyread @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage @Weaponxgirl (edited) 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I enjoyed it and finished today too! 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Awesome! What was your biggest surprise? Mine was the crotchless underwear. Really! With that much clothing! 4mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Gezemice Right! It‘s because all those clothes were impossible to get out of in a hurry or often. 😂. So that and that the whole movie Hysteria lied to me!🤪 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa what movie? 🤔 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa It was called Hysteria and starred Maggie Gyllenhaal https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1435513/ 4mo
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sounds like fun! But yeah, sounds like lying, too... 4mo
Slajaunie Yeah...it‘s history. 4mo
Gezemice @Slajaunie I love history. 😊👍 4mo
Slajaunie I do as well! @Gezemice 4mo
Gezemice @Slajaunie Awesome! Nice to find other history lovers. What‘s your favorite era? Mine is medieval and ancient Europe, especially Britain and the Tudors. 4mo
Slajaunie Love the Tudors, French Revolution, The Romanovs. @Gezemice (edited) 4mo
Gezemice @Slajaunie Awesome! Lots of intrigue and madness. 4mo
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It is good to know that the whole you can‘t win no matter what you do, there is no perfect middle ground really, “dammed if you do, damned if you don‘t” has always been baked into the female ideal.

I fell like this whole section backs up what we read in The Beauty Myth and then takes it back another 100 years! @BarbaraTheBibliophage

BarbaraTheBibliophage Yeah, these are the underpinnings of The Beauty Myth. Honestly, I‘m just so disgusted with the men of that era right now. I‘m struggling to finish because of it. And the men of today aren‘t any less frustrating. (The audiobook I was listening too wasn‘t the same time period, but had so many chauvinistic moments.) 4mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage Okay, I‘m closer to the end than I thought. I can power through. But this book stopped being funny about 75 pages ago. Now I‘m just depressed. 😰 4mo
Gezemice @BarbaraTheBibliophage I thought it was funny all the way, although the subject gets more and more depressing indeed. 4mo
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