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Super_Jane
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3.75/5 🌕🌕🌕🌖🌑

Reading greek plays in Greece. 🇬🇷 🏛️🏺

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vivastory
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Intro. to Euripides' Orestes. This is the reading of the play that I took from the deus ex machina ending.

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Bookwomble
Medea | Euripides
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Having read Medea a few years ago & watched on TV a theatrical performance of Euripides' play, I've been wanting to see Pasolini's 1970 film version starring Maria Callas, and finally managed to do so.
It's a phantasmagorical mix of mythology, historical drama and folk horror, surreal in places, bloody in others, and with amazing cinematography, locations and costumes. Callas is appropriately spellbinding in the title role.

psalva Ooh! This looks interesting. I read several of Euripides‘ plays earlier this year, and I have yet to look at an actual performance. Medea is one of the plays that sticks out most in my mind of the ones I read. 1y
Bookwomble @psalva Pasolini's film is an adaptation of the Medea story, rather than a performance of Euripides, though well worth watching in its own merit. I was lucky to see the Fiona Shaw performance of the play, but it's no longer on YouTube, sadly. This somewhat older performance is pretty powerful, though: https://youtu.be/fNiriEzx5ss 1y
vivastory Thanks for the reminder of this adaptation! Several weeks ago I reread Medea in anticipation of possibly seeing the current Met Opera production in theaters (alas my local theater didn't show it) & ever since I have been thinking of good adaptations to watch. Callas herself is in Cherubini's Medea which I plan on listening to soon 1y
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psalva @Bookwomble Thank you for the recommendation. I have saved it to watch later when I have enough time. 1y
Bookwomble @psalva 😊👍🏻 1y
Bookwomble @vivastory I haven't heard Cherubini's opera, but have seen photos of Callas in the role, and assume it was that which inspired Pasolini to cast her. I'll add Cherubini to the list of things I should listen to, though I don't think I have enough years left to hear them all! 1y
vivastory A couple of weeks ago I was listening to a podcast & they were musing why there wasn't a tv series or a movie involving a vampire who just used their immortality on catching up on their TBR & all of the things they wanted to listen to. This felt relatable. 1y
Bookwomble @vivastory Ha! Maybe that's why we don't hear so many reports of vampires any more - they're getting their teeth stuck into books rather than necks! 😆 1y
batsy Great review. I've not seen this but I really want to. 1y
Bookwomble @batsy Thanks 😊 And, yes, it's been on my watch list for a long time, too. Glad I finally saw it. 1y
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batsy
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This is a story that once again traverses familiar ground, but I found this one really quite moving. It revolves around Agamemnon & his choice to sacrifice his daughter Iphigenia to appease the goddess Artemis whom he has previously offended, to grant the Greek troops safe passage to Troy. We get the perspective of Iphigenia as someone coming to terms to why she has to be forsaken, from someone pleading with her father to live because

batsy "it is sweet to look on the day's light" to someone who convinces herself that dying as a sacrifice for the Greek cause is a noble thing to do because "it is wrong for me to love life too deeply". I felt her anguish & while I disagreed with her final assessment, it is a moral & philosophical issue that continues to pose complex problems.

I read the translation by Charles Walker. With this, I've read all of Euripides! He is absolutely top-tier.
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batsy The painting is "The Sacrifice of Iphigenia" by Giovanni Andrea Carlone (1600-1750), & it's worth looking it up on a bigger screen for all the superb details, including Artemis's hunting dog peeking out from a cloud on the top right. (There's a bunch of great paintings on this theme to be found online.) 2y
Suet624 You pack so much really interesting info into your reviews. ❤️ 2y
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Chrissyreadit I agree @Suet624 🙌 @batsy you have a talent for description and narrative. 2y
batsy @Suet624 @Chrissyreadit Thank you for your kind words ❤️❤️ 2y
vivastory I recall this story was used in GoT. Excellent review, as always! When I first read the three Greek tragedians, I recall Euripides was my least favorite but I have acquired an appreciation for his work the past few years! 2y
batsy @vivastory Thank you! And I know this is strange but I've not seen a single episode of GoT or any of its spin-offs (I think) so I'm very much out of the loop whenever it's brought up 😆 2y
kspenmoll Thank you for sharing the beauty of Greek works. I love the paintings you post.💕 2y
vivastory I love GoT, not quite as enthused over the spin-off so far. GoT was interesting bc it reached a point in the show where it had exceeded what Martin had written with his books & there were 2 memorable death scenes lifted from classical lit: Iphigenia & Seneca's Thyestes 2y
batsy @vivastory It's interesting that he adapted from the classics! The only reason I've put it off is because I thought I might read the books before the show, but that's unlikely to happen now, and now it seems like there's so much to watch! If I ever have a bunch of time I'd like to at least watch the first season 🙈 2y
batsy @kspenmoll Thank you for reading! And happy thar you're enjoying the paintings 💜 2y
AnnR “With this, I've read all of Euripides!“
WOW. Well done! This isn't anything I'd feel comfortable tackling but I enjoy reading your reviews. I read more for relaxation now, and the occasional science/nature/botany related book.
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batsy @Ann_Reads Thank you! The plays have been really easy to read; I too thought it would be daunting but it's been one of my highlights this year 💜 2y
Graywacke Congrats on getting through all Euripides! 2y
batsy @Graywacke Thanks! 🙂 2y
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The Bacchae | Euripides
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Strange, chilling, & brutal. Makes you think about what you're really doing when you think you're having a wild time 🙃 Makes me want to gather everyone in ancient society in a group hug because they were wrestling with the same demons as us—mental illness, the inscrutability of human actions, unexplained anguish & evil—& turning to the gods. This will be forever linked to Donna Tartt's The Secret History in my mind. Perfect for spooky October.

batsy I read the translation by William Arrowsmith. 2y
murfman @batsy It's a brilliant piece isn't it? It is easy to see how the Bacchic Mystery cult was so prolific, and why Dionysus was so popular for so long. He was a god of contradictions, and the most communicable to people, and so he was used in everything. 2y
murfman My preferred translation is the Gibbons & Segal, but Wole Soyinka, a Nigerian Nobel Laureate, did one called “The Bacchae of Euripides: A Communion Rite“ that is phenomenal. He uses it as a vehicle to condemn colonialism, unfair labor and slavery. A must read. 2y
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murfman The scene at the end when Cadmus confronts Agave about her “successful hunt“ and her slow return of reason is one of my favorites in all of literature.

I'm talking too much. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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batsy @murfman I wasn't aware of that Soyinka version, so thank you so much for the rec. I will definitely be on the hunt for that one. 2y
batsy @murfman Please don't apologise! I appreciate the chat :) I loved that scene of recognition, too. So haunting & uncompromising in how vivid it was. I also found the aspect of the disguised Dionysius telling the unsuspecting Pentheus that he takes "whatever form he wished; the choice was his, not mine" pretty chilling. A god talking in riddles as a man just is so ruthless in his revenge. But it also felt modern, like a psychological thriller. 2y
murfman @batsy totally agree! And that same scene where we see this “Jedi Mind Trick“ effect that Dionysus places on Pentheus. He goes from being abhorrently against everything that is Dionysus, to letting himself be dressed as a woman to witness the secret rites on the mountain. It also goes to further show that regardless of how approachable Dionysus was, he was still a God. And while easily approached was easily offended. 2y
batsy @murfman Yes! It goes back to your point about why he was so compelling as a god. The Dionysian Mysteries taps into the primal unconscious; I always find it endlessly fascinating. Euripides definitely makes you remember that there are the costs that come with worship, & I also find that an intriguing aspect of the classics. There was no attempt to erase that aspect of ancient religion. 2y
Graywacke Glad you enjoyed. I remember I found this the standout most powerful of Euripides plays that I read. 2y
batsy @Graywacke It's so good! The pace of it is really interesting to me, as well, the gradual unfolding of the horror. 2y
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Orestes | Euripides
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It's such a wild, uncontainable tragedy full of revenge, pain, guilt, & madness. How are these issues resolved in real life? It's impossible, & makes you understand why the ancient Greeks turned to the plot device of the deux ex machina. The otherworldly ethical solution seems to be the only way to get around the problem of sons killing mothers, wives killing husbands, & daughters either cheering the violence on or being subject to it.

batsy I read the translation by William Arrowsmith. Painting: Orestes Pursued by the Furies by William-Adolphe Bouguereau (I like this painting quite a bit & I feel like I might have used it before 🤔) 2y
murfman @batsy are you going through all of the Greek tragedies, or just Euripides? His next play, The Bacchae, is my absolute favorite. 2y
batsy @murfman I'm reading along with this for the year because I'd always wanted to go through all of them http://wutheringexpectations.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-ancient-greek-plays-in.htm... The Bacchae is up next week! I'm looking forward. 2y
murfman @batsy Oh what luck! That is awesome! I've never read all of the Greek Plays, but have a lot of them here in print. I can't wait for you to read The Bacchae! I've had to rewrite this like 4 times now. I'm finally deciding to not give anything away under the impression you are coming to it blind. I can't wait to hear what you think! 2y
batsy @murfman I've read it once during a classics course in uni but I don't know why I seem to have blocked it out. I do recall I had a week of nightmares when we did this and Medea. I'm greatly looking forward to revisiting this! 2y
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Cyclops | Euripides
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When I first encountered Polyphemus the Cyclops in The Odyssey, I pretty much felt like he got what was coming to him. Now that I‘m older & wiser 🙃, I was rooting for the one-eyed giant. His monologue in Euripides' rendering, where he rants about the human civilisation, the gods, & his father's shrines, is too funny. In this only extant satyr play from Greek antiquity, the Cyclops is almost a Rabelaisian philosopher. It's short & entertaining.

batsy I read the translation by William Arrowsmith. Image from Wikipedia: "Late Classical terracotta figure depicting Polyphemos reclining while drinking a bowl of wine." 2y
Graywacke (He‘s quite cute in that statue.) Such an appealing review. It sounds like great fun. 2y
batsy @Graywacke He is, isn't he 😂 It's a short one but engaging, & an interesting contrast to the tragedies! 2y
vivastory The Cyclops episode always struck me as the most gruesome in the Odyssey & Odysseus definitely doesn't come off well as he's sailing away listening to him cry out in torment looking for Nobody 2y
batsy @vivastory I agree, actually! The more I think about it now the more miffed I am at Odysseus about the smug cleverness of it all. In this play he also comes off like a snobby school perfect, so it was easy to be #TeamCyclops 😆 2y
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The Phoenician Women | Euripides, Peter Burian, Brian Swann
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This tragedy is packed to the brim with the mythological events it references. It takes some of the main concerns of the Aeschylus' play Seven Against Thebes but with key twists; Jocasta is still alive & sees her sons die, then proceeds to kill herself. Oedipus, having blinded himself, is also still alive. Despite the hectic nature of the play, this felt poignant, especially towards the end with Antigone rallying with her cast-out father, Oedipus.

batsy I read the translation by Elizabeth Wyckoff. The painting is "Farewell of Oedipus to the Corpses of His Wife and Sons" by Edouard Toudouze (1871). 2y
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Helen | Euripides
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Euripides is the king of screwball tragicomedy, & that's a compliment. He is the one tragedian that reads like proto-Shakespeare. I like the screwball element. The twist here is that the Helen that drove foolish men to wars is a mirage, while the real Helen bides her time & reveals a sharp mind by degrees. Helen & Menelaus get to work like a sweeter, nonviolent Bonnie & Clyde, & then Euripides sends in the demi-gods to give us a "happy" ending.

batsy I read the translation by Richmond Lattimore. Image is from Greek pottery c. 450-440 BC showing Helen, centre, with Menelaus on the left. 2y
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Electra | Euripides
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This is a really interesting version of Electra by the youngest of the three tragedians (the other two being Aeschylus & Sophocles). It's hard not to psychologise these characters based on our modern tendencies but this Electra does *feel* modern, in a way: the twist here is that Electra has been married off to a farmer, & the matricide plays out like a 21st-century rural noir. How I can best describe Euripides: more human folly, less godliness.

batsy I read the translation by Emily Townsend Vermeule. Image above is of a Roman marble sculpture of Orestes and Electra, 1st cent. BCE. 2y
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