philosophytalk

I‘m going to start with this question which is fairly simple but can take many roads of discussion in different directions. I will post more through out the day📖❤️🙌. #philosophytalk. #TheApology

Suelizbeth That statement deals in absolutes and there are no absolutes. 7y

Redwritinghood It supposes that Socrates has a lot of influence in the town, but, if that‘s the case, why is he on trial? 7y

JoeStalksBeck @Suelizbeth @Redwritinghood I saw it as an incorrect accusation because it‘s a blanket statement that assumes every man was influenced somehow by Socrates and that all the men of Athens would become fine men. I think both your statements touch upon this same idea. I see the trial as a political movement. To rid the town of someone who will cause others to question their government and its values. Do you see it as a political move ? (edited) 7y

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batsy @JoeStalksBeck @Redwritinghood @Suelizbeth I missed this but I agree. How does one man corrupt them all equally and in the same way. I do see it as particularly political. Socrates mentions an incident in the past when he was a Councillor where he claims he would have been put to death for defying the law, but was saved because of a change in government. So I guess he's a thorn in the side of all governments. 7y

Yellowpigeon @batsy @Suelizbeth @Redwritinghood, I saw it in conjunction with his other comment, that all men improve them and one individual corrupts them. If the sum total of Athens goodness can be brought down by the influence of one man, are they really good? Is their influence really that great? By convicting him, they convict themselves... To powerlessness at least. 7y

batsy @Yellowpigeon Yes, that's a great point. 7y

JoeStalksBeck @Yellowpigeon @batsy @suelizbeth @redwritinghood If the sum total of Athens can be brought down by the influence of one man. Are they really good? He states his argument from the ignorant saying that there is no one on the jury he has corrupted (501 men) . The burden of proof is on the prosecution to show he corrupted the men of Athens. Is there proof he corrupted them? (edited) 7y

batsy From what I hope I understood 😁, Socrates doesn't interpret his work as corruption so much as a divine service, I believe. To remain unquestioning is to have a false existence. Plato and others vouch for his moral influence on them. If he corrupted the youth, they are then capable of corrupting others due to his bad influence, but no one who brings the charges against him wants to own up to that. 7y

Yellowpigeon @batsy @Suelizbeth @Redwritinghood, I agree with batsy. There are two questions mixed as one. First, if Socrates is such an obvious bad influence, there would be one person he had harmed. And Meletus did not bring anyone who was harmed himself or whose family member was harmed. Second, what is corruption? Every innovation is viewed as a corruption, Like I can no longer write worth a damn because I'm always typing ⬇️ 7y

Yellowpigeon But I can talk to friends all over the world at the drop of a hat. Am I corrupted? Sure, yeah, whatever. Is it worth it, YES! But I bet there is someone out there decrying computers and their effect on cursive. (edited) 7y

JoeStalksBeck @nasty @Yellowpigeon I don‘t think Socrates sees his questioning as a divine service. In fact I see it as the opposite. The Oracle said he was the wisest so Socrates questioned her by questioning others around him for wisdom . To find ssomeone wiser than him. So let me ask you, to remain unquestioning is a a false existence, what does that mean exactly? Unquestioning of what? @Yellowpigeon ahhh now we get to definition!👇🏻 (edited) 7y

JoeStalksBeck @Yellowpigeon what is corruption? What is wisdom? What is ignorance? Since no definition has an absolute answer that everyone would agree on how can you even begin to solve this? To first find the words that can be agreed upon for the use of the accusations brought against Socrates? 7y

Yellowpigeon I think that was the entire point of the questioning that brought him to this point. Someone said that he was wise. He asked what is wisdom and how could we even tell. He gets pointed to someone who is wise but can find blind spots in their thinking. Which pisses them off. To me, an unquestioned life is one where you are not searching our your own blind spots and gaps in your knowledge. 7y

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